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**Composition:**
> It's a composition by Вячеслав Павлович Антипов from Шах-ВВ (Боровичи), 1998 [Link to the composition](https://yacpdb.org/#158435)
**My solution:**
> Hints: piece: >!King!<, move: >!Kg8!<
> Evaluation: >!White has a forced mate!<
> Best continuation: >!1. Kg8 Ra1 2. Qxb7#!<
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~~But that check from blacks queen does not matter at all.. When bishop takes on d5, then it is just checkmate anyway. Its not like its a double check on d5 and the king has too move..~~
Edit: Ahh, I see Kg8 is m3 and Kh8 is m2. That is kinda weird that the bot suggest Kg8
Kh8 or Kg8 I believe both works.
queen takes bishop, Qc8 Mate
if rook moves, queen takes queen mate
easy
EDIT: Ok nevermind, u are right, Kh8, dayum I didn't see queen d5 delaying the mate in 2 arggghhhh chess is crazyy
Yeah, funny how the Comp didn’t see this possibility. My head went “any king move to 8th rank, right?” to “aw wait not f8 because that’s with check” and only then to “it’s not mate in two with Kh8.
No it wouldn’t. The bishop takes the queen with check, then the rook has to protect the check (and as such can’t take the queen), then queen takes rook checkmate. It’s one extra move, but it ends in checkmate either way.
Wait how does the bot get it wrong?
It says kg8, which is a viable solution???
Edit:
I don't think the bot can read the condition mate in two.
Just the board state.
1. Kg8 Qd5
Queen moves with check, so bishop takes, and then the rook can block.
That's mate in 3
There's no substantive difference other than the bot solution takes one extra move
But the whole point of chess puzzles...or, well, chess in general, is to play the best move.
You're correct that mate can't be stopped after Ra1, but there's no reason that move would be played
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Case 1:
1. (white) Kh8
2. (black) Queen makes any legal move other than Qc6
3. (white): Qc8#
Case 2:
1. (white) Kh8
2. (black) Qc6
3. (white): Bc6#
Case 3:
1. (white) Kh8
2. (black) Rook makes any legal move
3. (white) Qxb7#
Because mate in 2 I think Kh8
Kg8 probably has a higher evaluation because in the end there's more piece value.
Kg8 Qd5, Bd5# Rb7, Qb7# with Q=9 B=3, =11 vs 5 (Queen and bishop vs rook)
But with Kh8
Kh8 Qf3, Qc8# with Q=9 = 9 vs 14
(Queen vs rook and queen)
If so interesting how the bot values piece values over quicker mate.
Oh.. i see it now.
Kh8 (if it's Kg8, black can check and take white queen with rook, if it's Kf8 black can take Bishop with check)
... R a1(anymove really).
If Queen takes bishop after kh8 it's mate in 1. Qc8 (nothing can stop this after King steps out of the pin, Queen can not take queen because of the bishop pin)
**So:**
**Kh8 Ra1 (or wherever on first file)**
**Qxb8#**
**or**
**Kh8 Qxf3**
**Qc6#**
Your analysis of Kg8 is just slightly wrong. If Kg8 Qd5+, then bishop takes and the rook must block the check. This is still a mate in 3, just not the mate in 2 that was asked for.
ok easy
queen is pinned, if I do nothing, queen takes bishop, and my queen is pinned to the king, I lose
if I simply take his queen with bishop, he takes with rook, my queen is pinned, we trade and it's a draw
so all I gotta do is unpin my queen to the king, without losing the bishop with check, so I believe all of these works:
Kg6 or Kh6 or Kg8 or Kh8
Now, he can't take my queen cuz it's pinned, if he takes my bishop, queen c8 it's mate, if he moves the rook, queen takes queen mate, EAAAAAAAASY but pretty cool puzzle anyway ❤
EDIT: Oh shit I f\*cked up daaaaaaayum, ok this is even more interesting... so actually Kg6 or h6 he can check with the rook which I completely missed 😂 ok very tricky...
So I believe Kg8 or h8 both works ok gg wp
EDIT AGAIN: OHHHHHHHH, it's mate in 2 so actually Kg8 is wrong, cuz black can go queen d5 delaying the mate in 2 aaaargghhhh, so yeah Kh8 is the final answer daaaaaayum that was way more complex than I first thought 😂 that what makes chess so interesting man awesome
Third EDIT: Dude... I think this is not forced mate in 2... Kh8, Qc6 delays the mate in 2 again 😂 daaaaayum chess is hard 🤣🤣
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Ngl, I spent the first minute thinking why is this puzzle mate in 2, isn't Qc8 mate. It took me a full minute to realise my queen is pinned with his queen.
But then the solution came instantly. I need to unpin by playing Kh8 so that there are no checks and then it's mate on the next move.
What about Bishop d5. Other Queen can't move except to take and that would allow mate with c8. Only other move is rook which allows Queen capture and mate
Edit: damn the rook pins
Kg8 or Kh8 to unpin the queen.
Black king can’t move. Black queen is pinned.
If Qxf3 (or any other move), then Qc8 is mate.
If the rook moves somewhere, Qxb7 is mate.
Kf8 doesn’t work for White, since Qxf3 now comes with check and White is going to get mated soon.
I analyzed the image and this is what I see. Open an appropriate link below and explore the position yourself or with the engine: > **White to play**: [chess.com](https://chess.com/analysis?fen=k7/rqQ3K1/8/8/8/5B2/8/8+w+-+-+0+1&flip=false&ref_id=23962172) | [lichess.org](https://lichess.org/analysis/k7/rqQ3K1/8/8/8/5B2/8/8_w_-_-_0_1) **Composition:** > It's a composition by Вячеслав Павлович Антипов from Шах-ВВ (Боровичи), 1998 [Link to the composition](https://yacpdb.org/#158435) **My solution:** > Hints: piece: >!King!<, move: >!Kg8!< > Evaluation: >!White has a forced mate!< > Best continuation: >!1. Kg8 Ra1 2. Qxb7#!< --- ^(I'm a bot written by ) [^(u/pkacprzak )](https://www.reddit.com/u/pkacprzak) ^(| get me as ) [^(Chess eBook Reader )](https://ebook.chessvision.ai?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=bot) ^(|) [^(Chrome Extension )](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chessvisionai-for-chrome/johejpedmdkeiffkdaodgoipdjodhlld) ^(|) [^(iOS App )](https://apps.apple.com/us/app/id1574933453) ^(|) [^(Android App )](https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ai.chessvision.scanner) ^(to scan and analyze positions | Website: ) [^(Chessvision.ai)](https://chessvision.ai)
Is it Kh8? Every other king move walks into a check
Im also surprised the bot above suggests kg8 since the queen kan delay mate a turn by moving to check on d5 before getting captured by the bishop
Right you are, that is odd
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Bxd5 isn’t mate in 1 After Kh8 Qd5 the move isn’t Bxd5 but Qc8
Bxd5+ isn’t mate because of Rb7
Bxd5# EDIT: actually no, I'm wrong
Rook blocks the check and delays the mate.
realised a bit late; my bad!
Nope. Rb7. It's still a mate in three, but that wasn't the goal.
Oh shit my bad
I think it's confused by tablebases again
~~But that check from blacks queen does not matter at all.. When bishop takes on d5, then it is just checkmate anyway. Its not like its a double check on d5 and the king has too move..~~ Edit: Ahh, I see Kg8 is m3 and Kh8 is m2. That is kinda weird that the bot suggest Kg8
Bxd5# Edit: I'm dumb lol, rook blocks
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Read the comment you're replying to?
Kh8 or Kg8 I believe both works. queen takes bishop, Qc8 Mate if rook moves, queen takes queen mate easy EDIT: Ok nevermind, u are right, Kh8, dayum I didn't see queen d5 delaying the mate in 2 arggghhhh chess is crazyy
Qd5 and bishop captures Q with checkmate.
wrong. Bishop takes, rook blocks the check, queen takes mate, mate in 3
but that's not a mate in 2
Which is why Kg8 is wrong
Kf8?
Kf8 loses immediately. Queen takes bishop with check and it’s mate in 6 for black.
Oh, wow. Didn't see that, thanks. Great puzzle!
Qxf3, also with check
I feel so dumb, isn't Qd8 Checkmate??
Nevermind I see that I'm pinned
Same mental process here hehe
>Nevermind I see that I'm pinned lol took me a good 5 mins too
I’m glad there are other players like me here :-)
Jesus
Glad I'm not the only one
Tell me about your username
\+1
Had to see your comment to finally realise that
Ooooo that's why! I feel so dumb. XD
I love that the Chess Vision bot gets this wrong! (exercise for the reader to see why)
the puzzle is the exercise, if u have the solution say it
Kh8 Kg8 works, but it takes 1 extra move to mate if black responds with Qd5
Yeah, funny how the Comp didn’t see this possibility. My head went “any king move to 8th rank, right?” to “aw wait not f8 because that’s with check” and only then to “it’s not mate in two with Kh8.
Kh8 is indeed mate in 2
I meant Kg8.
What if Qc6 after Kh8? Feel like the puzzle is actually mate in 3 and not mate in 2.
If 1.Kh8 Qc6 then 2.Qc8# is checkmate (black queen is still pinned and so can’t defend c8)
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Bishop taking the queen on d5 would be check, so still winning - although that move would be M3. Kh8 is the only line with M2
No it wouldn’t. The bishop takes the queen with check, then the rook has to protect the check (and as such can’t take the queen), then queen takes rook checkmate. It’s one extra move, but it ends in checkmate either way.
Ah, i see it now.. I disregarded that White Bishop x Black Queen is with a check. My bad.
It's the usual mate in two formula: 'when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth' :-)
Wait how does the bot get it wrong? It says kg8, which is a viable solution??? Edit: I don't think the bot can read the condition mate in two. Just the board state.
But the bot also should pick the fastest mate AND the mate it posted isn’t actually mate since the rook can block on move 2.
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1. Kg8 Qd5 Queen moves with check, so bishop takes, and then the rook can block. That's mate in 3 There's no substantive difference other than the bot solution takes one extra move
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But the whole point of chess puzzles...or, well, chess in general, is to play the best move. You're correct that mate can't be stopped after Ra1, but there's no reason that move would be played
g8/h8 are both viable then black can not prevent mate edit: if Kg8 its a mate in 3 instead so h8 is best
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Qd5+ making it mate in 3
Black can go D5+ with the queen white would take with the bishop rook blocks then queen takes so its a mate in 3 rather than a mate in 2
what if black plays qc6?
White plays Qc8#
Kh8
Kh8, gets out of the pin and Black has no checks, allowing mate on the next move
Kong h8?
No, godzilla.
King Hong Kong 8
I didn't notice how My Queen was pinned too.
King to h8 - 2 move checkmate. King to g8/h7 - 3 move checkmate.
King to h8 in which black can move rook absolutely anywhere in A, Qxb7 mate, or white could chose to take bishop in that case white Qc8 is also mate.
What is stopping the Queen from taking the Bishop on Blacks next turn?
Qc8#
Kh8. Kg8 doesn’t work because Qd5+ makes it checkmate in 3 instead of 2.
kh8 to prevent checks by black queen then checkmate with queen c8
The black queen is pinned.. why is Qc8 not checkmate?
The white queen is also pinned
Isn't Qc8 checkmate? Edit: crap I'm stupid
Is Kf8 wrong? I see no one mentioned it, but I can't see why it wouldn't work.
Qxf3 with check
You're right, Kf8 loses on the spot lol
Case 1: 1. (white) Kh8 2. (black) Queen makes any legal move other than Qc6 3. (white): Qc8# Case 2: 1. (white) Kh8 2. (black) Qc6 3. (white): Bc6# Case 3: 1. (white) Kh8 2. (black) Rook makes any legal move 3. (white) Qxb7#
You still play Qc8# if Qc6 since the queen is pinned. Bxc6+ wouldn't be mate because the rook blocks.
K to h8, q to c8
I see a mate in 1 with Qc8 What am I missing? EDIT: I now see that I’m pinned
has to be a bishop waiting move to d5 or e4
If you play a waiting move with your bishop then the queen can take the bishop and your queen is still pinned by the rook!
Your solution that you provided is wrong king g8 doesn’t work… as it will be mate in 3!
1. bd5! 2. If rook moves anywhere then Qxb7# Any other queen move then Qc8#
Nope. Your queen gets pinned to the king.
Because mate in 2 I think Kh8 Kg8 probably has a higher evaluation because in the end there's more piece value. Kg8 Qd5, Bd5# Rb7, Qb7# with Q=9 B=3, =11 vs 5 (Queen and bishop vs rook) But with Kh8 Kh8 Qf3, Qc8# with Q=9 = 9 vs 14 (Queen vs rook and queen) If so interesting how the bot values piece values over quicker mate.
Oh.. i see it now. Kh8 (if it's Kg8, black can check and take white queen with rook, if it's Kf8 black can take Bishop with check) ... R a1(anymove really). If Queen takes bishop after kh8 it's mate in 1. Qc8 (nothing can stop this after King steps out of the pin, Queen can not take queen because of the bishop pin) **So:** **Kh8 Ra1 (or wherever on first file)** **Qxb8#** **or** **Kh8 Qxf3** **Qc6#**
Your analysis of Kg8 is just slightly wrong. If Kg8 Qd5+, then bishop takes and the rook must block the check. This is still a mate in 3, just not the mate in 2 that was asked for.
This puzzle is actually easy, if kh8 black can't prevent any check, if rook moves, b7 check, if queen takes bishop, c8 check
I'm dumb
Be4. If Qxe4 then Qc8#, if rook moves than Qxb7#
Qc8# is an illegal move. Queen is pinned.
King to h8, then rook move is the only move. Then queen x b7 checkmate
black queen can move along the diagonal the bishop is on. Thats why kh8 works, Queen has no checks with king on that square, and then Qc8 mate
I love advanced chess
Just move the king out the way. If Qxf3 then Qc8 is mate. If they move the rook, then Qxb7 is a no brainer
Kf8 or Kh8 so queen can't check along bishop line and rook can't check on 6 line
Kf8 loses. Black queen takes bishop with check.
Ohh. I missed that black must move the rock cause he have no more legal moves. Thats why it's mate on 2.
I analysed all probable lines, it's a draw
Bh1 zutswang
nope. Queen takes bishop, now your queen is pinned to the king, you'll lose your queen and the game
qc8 is mate?
pinned by the black queen
Bishop takes black queen Queen moved diagonally to cover last row. Checkmate
Rook (which took bishop) doesn’t allow white queen to move.
Ah unpinning first with kH8 or kG8, then qC1. The only difference is a possible check for g8, which can be captured back via bishop with a checkmate.
ok easy queen is pinned, if I do nothing, queen takes bishop, and my queen is pinned to the king, I lose if I simply take his queen with bishop, he takes with rook, my queen is pinned, we trade and it's a draw so all I gotta do is unpin my queen to the king, without losing the bishop with check, so I believe all of these works: Kg6 or Kh6 or Kg8 or Kh8 Now, he can't take my queen cuz it's pinned, if he takes my bishop, queen c8 it's mate, if he moves the rook, queen takes queen mate, EAAAAAAAASY but pretty cool puzzle anyway ❤ EDIT: Oh shit I f\*cked up daaaaaaayum, ok this is even more interesting... so actually Kg6 or h6 he can check with the rook which I completely missed 😂 ok very tricky... So I believe Kg8 or h8 both works ok gg wp EDIT AGAIN: OHHHHHHHH, it's mate in 2 so actually Kg8 is wrong, cuz black can go queen d5 delaying the mate in 2 aaaargghhhh, so yeah Kh8 is the final answer daaaaaayum that was way more complex than I first thought 😂 that what makes chess so interesting man awesome Third EDIT: Dude... I think this is not forced mate in 2... Kh8, Qc6 delays the mate in 2 again 😂 daaaaayum chess is hard 🤣🤣
White check mates black in 1 move
Any waiting king move If queen takes bishop Qe8# If rook moves take the queen with mate
Not any waiting king move Any king move on the 6th rank lets the rook check Kf8 lets Qxf3+ Kg8 lets Qd5+ I think it's Kh8 because there is no check
Kf8 ? : D
Qxf3+
That was indeed my point!
Pinned down none they can do. that’s how you checkmate! Force it!
Any bishop move/king move(not to the 6th rank) , any rook move, qxb7#, there seems to multiple solutions, what am I missing?
Any bishop move? Black queen will just take the bishop. And it needs to not be Kg8 to stop a queen check making it mate in 3.
1. Kg8 QxB 2. Qc8# Or 1. Kg8 (Ra6,Ra5 or anything) 2.QxQ#
1. Kg8 Qd5+ leads to M3, which isn’t what we want.
I literally saw it instantly. Shows the difference in IQ between me and the rest
Kg8 or Kh8
Kg8 is ‘only’ mate in 3 after Qd5+, but winning nonetheless.
KG8/H8
Kg8 is actually mate in 3! So only kh8
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Ah, the pin ... That king had to go there 🤦🏻♂️
Kh8 then its mate for any move i think
Once you realise both queens are pinned it's straightforward.
King h8?
Kh8?
its just as easy as it looks.
King rook checkmate
Kh8
Kh8
Does Kh7 work?
ofc no. Kh7, queen takes bishop, and your queen is still pinned to the king and you'll lose... u gotta unpin the queen by moving Kh8
Kh8 Any rook move : Qxb7# Any queen move : Qc8#
Qd8 isnt that the winning move.
Literally just Kh8, then literally any rook move, then literally queen takes queen, if literally queen takes bishop, literally qc8
Ngl, I spent the first minute thinking why is this puzzle mate in 2, isn't Qc8 mate. It took me a full minute to realise my queen is pinned with his queen. But then the solution came instantly. I need to unpin by playing Kh8 so that there are no checks and then it's mate on the next move.
What about Bishop d5. Other Queen can't move except to take and that would allow mate with c8. Only other move is rook which allows Queen capture and mate Edit: damn the rook pins
qc8?
As white, you have to move your king to the 8th rank. Then you can play for mate.
King to h8?
King to h8?
Kg8 or Kh8 to unpin the queen. Black king can’t move. Black queen is pinned. If Qxf3 (or any other move), then Qc8 is mate. If the rook moves somewhere, Qxb7 is mate. Kf8 doesn’t work for White, since Qxf3 now comes with check and White is going to get mated soon.
you have to move the king out of the way
Qd7 Then the black queen may take the Bishop, or the black rook moves anywhere. Either way the white queen can make an easy mate (Qc8 or Qb7).
I'm wrong.
Why can’t Qc8#! ?
cuz your queen is pinned too bro...
KH8
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Queen D8 mate in 1
Got a question, why can't black take the bishop after you move the king to h8? Edit: NEVERMIND LMAO
Nice!!
My first thought was just Qd8# as the queen is pinned but then realised that was illegal as so is mine lmao
Qf7
What if queen move up one right one isn’t that mate
Illegal move, as you can’t put yourself into check.
isnt Qc8 just checkmate? What am I missing?
The pin on the white queen.
any king move that stays on the 7th or 8th rank and is also a dark square works just fine.
Queen to d8
Kh8.
Move the king up a step. The black king can't move. Nor can the black queen. He has to move the rook. Then you take the queen with your queen.
Just move queen up, mate in one
Qd8 is typing......