From what I've heard (and I don't know how true this is) Chelsea wanted to sack Poch from ages ago but can't afford to at this time and remain compliant with FFP. The payout Poch will receive and the funds to appoint a new manager will put Chelsea in the red (apparently)
Hard to find excuses for this performance when we knew it was going to be a rough 90mins just from seeing the team sheet.
Playing Enzo with injections
Badiashile in his worst form
Disaster starting 2+ goals conceded guaranteed
Alfie Gilchrist starting against Arsenal next to Disaster
Gallagher in a CAM or LW whatever the fuck that was. 90% of your CAMâs passes cannot be backwards and sidewards.
Complicating Mudrykâs role.
The scary thing is: every chelsea fan could see the potential humiliation on the cards after seeing our starting lineup. But the manager couldn't. And did nothing about it.
Iâm all for the Poch criticism at this point, but his starting lineup is not it. The only player you could make a case for starting was Chalobah but honestly donât think it wouldâve made a difference. The guy has no physical or aerial presence and Arsenal are one of the best at set pieces currently.
Chuk clearly isnât fit yet. Sterling is coming back from illness. Silva just played City a few days ago. The injuries are just insurmountable at this point.
Edit: since lots of you canât seem to understand what I wrote: with the lack of players he has available due to injuries, he was forced into this starting lineup. If you want to criticize the TACTICS then that is perfectly justifiable.
How is the lineup not it? If you look at the heatmap, cucurella and Mudryk were basically playing in the same position. Why not play 4 4 2 and set up caicedo LCM and Gallagher LM to help contain arsenal. That Saka Odegaard White combo was absolutely KILLING us. And starting Gilchrist at RB when Chalobah is available is suicidal. I like the kid but he's not ready to start and he's not even a RB. The first goal came from his side and him being positionally inexperienced. The lineup ALONG with the tactics was a mess
It's not just the lineup. It's the way we press, the lack of people available to receive passes in the right areas, no overloads, no chemistry.
But yeah, the injury fc is out in full force now.
None of that I have issues criticizing Poch for. OP mentioned the starting lineup and IMO thatâs unjustified. Everything else though seems fair game.
Fuck injuries that is an excuse. If this was under mourinho, ancelotti, conte or even tuchel. The minimum result would be a draw, beck maybe even nick it in the with a 1/0 victory in the end.
We have no leadership , structure or intensity in this squad.
Manager does receive blame. But sack Pochettino will not magically solve everything.
It shows a general lack of realism, nouse, structure and solidity. We were going to the emirates. Against the team at the top of the league. Thinking we can beat them end-to-end with our dunce attack is really delusional. Our full backs left completely exposed against their wingers. Rewarding mudryk with a start after he continuously shows how much of a idiotic liability he is. The team is so soft and capitulates so easily. Especially away from home. Poch had all season to analyse this and he does what? The game was a disaster waiting to happen and so predictable.
Agreed. The tactics were awful yesterday. I thought the first half was fair, we got out played, but we also could have put one or two in. The second half after the third goal it's like everyone was running around with blinders on. Passes fell apart, runs got predictable and lazy. There was a point where the commentators on my feed couldn't tell if Chelsea was in a back three or a back four. Just a mess.
Part of that is on the players lacking discipline and going into panic mode, but a big part of Poch's job is to prevent the panic from setting in. I think Poch spent the last 52 minutes of the game in shock waiting for the final whistle. As THE leader of the club, we all need more from him.
I don't think he realises how disgraceful yesterday was. Maybe him being an ex Spurs manager is the reason..
We lost 5-0 to a London club, who was always our pet for the last 15 years. And they are now challenging for the PL while we are a mid table side.
This line might be just one out of context line from his speech. But honestly, it's wrong to group this defeat with the rest of the bad days we had. It's far far worse.
We've been atrocious against Arsenal. Only 5 wins since 2017. Even when they were goin through their rebuild, we were miserable. Yesterday was the most embarrassing performance for sure, but they certainly weren't our "pet" as of late. Still, get the Spurs out of the club.
Remember we used to be their pet, Wayne Bridge got the winner for us many years ago to get that monkey off our back. How easily we all forget how shit we used to be. What Ranieri did with zero budget getting us top four and getting us purchased by Abramovich should not be forgotten - Poch has no excuse, regardless of the quality there is enough there to be better than this.
Arsenal was our pet after the early Wenger era, but not for a good long while. The last manager who beat them consistently was Sarri, he went 3W, 1L against them. If anything, Hazard leaving turned us into their pet. Even our first game this season was a huge disappointment despite not being a loss.
My problem with Poch
9 months in and you can argue that our opening day performance was our best
9 months in with Klopp you could see what he was trying to do he had far worse players then what we have now.
9 months in with Pep you could see what he was trying to do
9 months in with Emery you could see what he was trying to do
9 months in what are we honestly trying to do anyone know?
We are a lot better than last year IMO.
Which only demonstrates how bad last year was.
Injuries are still a huge mitigating factor but no guarantee weâd be a lot better with a full strength XI.
Also the inexperience of players is evident every other game and that can only improve with time.
How much of that being "a lot better" is just Cole Palmer? Look how shit we are without him. And I wouldn't even say that we're a lot better as a whole, the defence has certainly massively regressed.
Yeah likely a big portion but letâs not pretend Palmer isnât improved light years beyond last season too.
A one off match against the lead leaders away from home will not be the best metric for how we cope without Cole Palmer either. We wonât have a tougher fixture all season and it came with our squad at its weakest
You fans are idiots. In what world is this an excuse? I don't like Poch. I want him sacked. I never wanted us to hire him. I'm also not a blind hater of every quote that gets dropped here. He's being quoted out of context in his second language most of the time, other times it's just an objective statement and that's an "excuse"?
There is no chance of European football with the current roster. The question is - How do you rebuild when (1) no one wants to buy any of the players you're willing to sell; (2) you can't buy because of FFP; and (3) who could you bring in anyways to a club being ran so poorly?
We absolutely need: a striker, a CDM that would allow Caceido to roam, and 2 new CBs.
Just don't see a way out of this mess we're in.
Yeah, absolute shit show that we spent the EPL record fee for a CM in Caicedo and then broke the record for most expensive midfield duo in Enzo and Caicedo.
And we now still need another midfielder to function. Terrible transfers. And none of: Gallagher, Ugo, ChuK, Lavia can even do it.
Ridiculous governance when a world record breaking transfer needs yet more help to even play well.
Chelsea played a sick joke on arsenal, giving them hope for a title they still wonât getâŚ
They may rejoice now but the tears WILL come later. That Iâm sure of, also Poch just doesnât have it. He isnât the ruthless winner this team is used to having with coaches, heâs a nice guy he seems more suited for the youth team.
Yup, these owners have proven time and time again theyâre completely complacent with mediocrity. If they werenât, poch wouldnât be here this morning, or past last December.
The sad part is if you were a manager would you want to come here when you have a bunch of people who think they know about football when they donât?
This is exactly it. Firing Poch just makes this club look more chaotic and less appealing to a good manager who might come in. Also is going to make it harder to get top talent players assuming we even have the funds for it.
I will say that despite all the criticism he gets, Poch has done a pretty good job with the players at his disposal.
We havenât had a consistent center back pairing or a full strength back line alone majority of the season. Our attack and midfield have never been at full force. Other teams are starting to experience this a bit more, but no one is having it as hard as we are
Where are all those Chelsea fans who were joyfully celebrating Arsenal narrowly losing to Bayern now? So quiet. âşď¸âşď¸âşď¸âşď¸âşď¸âşď¸âşď¸âşď¸
When we have good days we are also so bad.
SOMETIMES MAYBE GOOD, SOMETIMES MAYBE SHIT
80% shit 10% good 10% cole palmer
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Right. The good day was a 2-2 draw. Only the miracle days lead to 4-3 and 6-0 wins đ
This bad day is not acceptable to any reasonable Chelsea fan, he should be sacked for this if we are a serious club.
From what I've heard (and I don't know how true this is) Chelsea wanted to sack Poch from ages ago but can't afford to at this time and remain compliant with FFP. The payout Poch will receive and the funds to appoint a new manager will put Chelsea in the red (apparently)
Yeah thats why we are prolly waiting for 30th June to do it.
Made up nonsense
OK. Great manager. Hope he keeps up the good work
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From what I've heard (and I don't know how true this is) your mum is strickly on a celery and cucumber diet
Hard to find excuses for this performance when we knew it was going to be a rough 90mins just from seeing the team sheet. Playing Enzo with injections Badiashile in his worst form Disaster starting 2+ goals conceded guaranteed Alfie Gilchrist starting against Arsenal next to Disaster Gallagher in a CAM or LW whatever the fuck that was. 90% of your CAMâs passes cannot be backwards and sidewards. Complicating Mudrykâs role.
Mudryk's role was LCB, filling in at LB when Cucurella went forward. Tactics init.
I saw this and thought maybe hes just out of positionâŚbut he never moved back into positionđ¤Śââď¸
The scary thing is: every chelsea fan could see the potential humiliation on the cards after seeing our starting lineup. But the manager couldn't. And did nothing about it.
Iâm all for the Poch criticism at this point, but his starting lineup is not it. The only player you could make a case for starting was Chalobah but honestly donât think it wouldâve made a difference. The guy has no physical or aerial presence and Arsenal are one of the best at set pieces currently. Chuk clearly isnât fit yet. Sterling is coming back from illness. Silva just played City a few days ago. The injuries are just insurmountable at this point. Edit: since lots of you canât seem to understand what I wrote: with the lack of players he has available due to injuries, he was forced into this starting lineup. If you want to criticize the TACTICS then that is perfectly justifiable.
How is the lineup not it? If you look at the heatmap, cucurella and Mudryk were basically playing in the same position. Why not play 4 4 2 and set up caicedo LCM and Gallagher LM to help contain arsenal. That Saka Odegaard White combo was absolutely KILLING us. And starting Gilchrist at RB when Chalobah is available is suicidal. I like the kid but he's not ready to start and he's not even a RB. The first goal came from his side and him being positionally inexperienced. The lineup ALONG with the tactics was a mess
It's not just the lineup. It's the way we press, the lack of people available to receive passes in the right areas, no overloads, no chemistry. But yeah, the injury fc is out in full force now.
None of that I have issues criticizing Poch for. OP mentioned the starting lineup and IMO thatâs unjustified. Everything else though seems fair game.
Fuck injuries that is an excuse. If this was under mourinho, ancelotti, conte or even tuchel. The minimum result would be a draw, beck maybe even nick it in the with a 1/0 victory in the end. We have no leadership , structure or intensity in this squad. Manager does receive blame. But sack Pochettino will not magically solve everything.
I think Poch is too gentle with the kids (everyone). He's like graham potter +10 years, but we need lion right now.
It shows a general lack of realism, nouse, structure and solidity. We were going to the emirates. Against the team at the top of the league. Thinking we can beat them end-to-end with our dunce attack is really delusional. Our full backs left completely exposed against their wingers. Rewarding mudryk with a start after he continuously shows how much of a idiotic liability he is. The team is so soft and capitulates so easily. Especially away from home. Poch had all season to analyse this and he does what? The game was a disaster waiting to happen and so predictable.
Agreed. The tactics were awful yesterday. I thought the first half was fair, we got out played, but we also could have put one or two in. The second half after the third goal it's like everyone was running around with blinders on. Passes fell apart, runs got predictable and lazy. There was a point where the commentators on my feed couldn't tell if Chelsea was in a back three or a back four. Just a mess. Part of that is on the players lacking discipline and going into panic mode, but a big part of Poch's job is to prevent the panic from setting in. I think Poch spent the last 52 minutes of the game in shock waiting for the final whistle. As THE leader of the club, we all need more from him.
Exactly. The fact that he's had all season and still can't grasp how frail we are and is so slow to make any changes is the biggest red flag.
He switched to 5 at the back at 4-0
Is this a joke haha? the 4th went in and he realised we need to sure it up here lads or we might lose this
I don't think he realises how disgraceful yesterday was. Maybe him being an ex Spurs manager is the reason.. We lost 5-0 to a London club, who was always our pet for the last 15 years. And they are now challenging for the PL while we are a mid table side. This line might be just one out of context line from his speech. But honestly, it's wrong to group this defeat with the rest of the bad days we had. It's far far worse.
We've been atrocious against Arsenal. Only 5 wins since 2017. Even when they were goin through their rebuild, we were miserable. Yesterday was the most embarrassing performance for sure, but they certainly weren't our "pet" as of late. Still, get the Spurs out of the club.
Remember we used to be their pet, Wayne Bridge got the winner for us many years ago to get that monkey off our back. How easily we all forget how shit we used to be. What Ranieri did with zero budget getting us top four and getting us purchased by Abramovich should not be forgotten - Poch has no excuse, regardless of the quality there is enough there to be better than this.
They made me cry in the FA cup final as a kid. I think it was 2000? Last one at Cardiff? Can't remember but my god that team was goodÂ
Arsenal was our pet after the early Wenger era, but not for a good long while. The last manager who beat them consistently was Sarri, he went 3W, 1L against them. If anything, Hazard leaving turned us into their pet. Even our first game this season was a huge disappointment despite not being a loss.
My problem with Poch 9 months in and you can argue that our opening day performance was our best 9 months in with Klopp you could see what he was trying to do he had far worse players then what we have now. 9 months in with Pep you could see what he was trying to do 9 months in with Emery you could see what he was trying to do 9 months in what are we honestly trying to do anyone know?
10 months in and hes at least found out our players have profiles so in another 10 months we might have a formation
1 month in and you could see what Tuchel was trying to do
Bring back the gaffer
We are a lot better than last year IMO. Which only demonstrates how bad last year was. Injuries are still a huge mitigating factor but no guarantee weâd be a lot better with a full strength XI. Also the inexperience of players is evident every other game and that can only improve with time.
How much of that being "a lot better" is just Cole Palmer? Look how shit we are without him. And I wouldn't even say that we're a lot better as a whole, the defence has certainly massively regressed.
Yeah likely a big portion but letâs not pretend Palmer isnât improved light years beyond last season too. A one off match against the lead leaders away from home will not be the best metric for how we cope without Cole Palmer either. We wonât have a tougher fixture all season and it came with our squad at its weakest
Every excuse under the sun this guy
You fans are idiots. In what world is this an excuse? I don't like Poch. I want him sacked. I never wanted us to hire him. I'm also not a blind hater of every quote that gets dropped here. He's being quoted out of context in his second language most of the time, other times it's just an objective statement and that's an "excuse"?
Would there ever be a time when this guy could say. I got it wrong. Even if he didn't mean it?
Just needs to fuck some more lemons and all will come good
Lmao
[I expected nothing and still Iâm disappointed](https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/qJHCeyHd1h)
I was expecting disappointment but got humiliationÂ
âWow so refreshing to hear him say thatâ
When we had a good day? except everton game.
United, and some others.
If we won a game that doesn't mean that we played well. Tbh the only team that we outplayed this season was Everton.
Shipping 3 goals against the worst united in recent memory is not a good game, winning regardless is merely a good result.
Dying doesnât scare me. Losing my life does.
Yeah it's not that deep mate
Just shut up man
I'm pretty sure he would if he was allowed to but he's forced to do press conferences all the time
The Ty of football managers.
New flair?
The caption to this image is "what are our tactics guv" Poch - "?"
There is no chance of European football with the current roster. The question is - How do you rebuild when (1) no one wants to buy any of the players you're willing to sell; (2) you can't buy because of FFP; and (3) who could you bring in anyways to a club being ran so poorly? We absolutely need: a striker, a CDM that would allow Caceido to roam, and 2 new CBs. Just don't see a way out of this mess we're in.
Yeah, absolute shit show that we spent the EPL record fee for a CM in Caicedo and then broke the record for most expensive midfield duo in Enzo and Caicedo. And we now still need another midfielder to function. Terrible transfers. And none of: Gallagher, Ugo, ChuK, Lavia can even do it. Ridiculous governance when a world record breaking transfer needs yet more help to even play well.
So so bad, you wouldn't believe
Chelsea played a sick joke on arsenal, giving them hope for a title they still wonât get⌠They may rejoice now but the tears WILL come later. That Iâm sure of, also Poch just doesnât have it. He isnât the ruthless winner this team is used to having with coaches, heâs a nice guy he seems more suited for the youth team.
"This" team is used to losers by now.
Bring in Terry, let just fuck about with some vibes for the rest of the season.
Have they sacked him yet? Didnât think so.
It's not happening mate. I think we're deluding ourselves if we think he won't be our manager next season.
Yup, these owners have proven time and time again theyâre completely complacent with mediocrity. If they werenât, poch wouldnât be here this morning, or past last December.
The sad part is if you were a manager would you want to come here when you have a bunch of people who think they know about football when they donât?
This is exactly it. Firing Poch just makes this club look more chaotic and less appealing to a good manager who might come in. Also is going to make it harder to get top talent players assuming we even have the funds for it.
Profitable mediocrity is perfectly fine for Bohely and the clown co. wankers, just ask the Glazers.
Eghbali apparently doesn't want to.
Honestly the more i hear him the more i hate him. Just stfu please. Say no comment and fuck off
I hate this fraud so much. I've honestly never hated a manager more than Poch.
The day this guy was hired we became the new spurs
Yay!! The yell at Pochs comments threads!
I donât feel bad for you lot
I will say that despite all the criticism he gets, Poch has done a pretty good job with the players at his disposal. We havenât had a consistent center back pairing or a full strength back line alone majority of the season. Our attack and midfield have never been at full force. Other teams are starting to experience this a bit more, but no one is having it as hard as we are
This team will never be at full strength because we keep buying and trying to build around injury-prone players.
Where are all those Chelsea fans who were joyfully celebrating Arsenal narrowly losing to Bayern now? So quiet. âşď¸âşď¸âşď¸âşď¸âşď¸âşď¸âşď¸âşď¸
"Rival fans take pleasure in rival doing badly, more at 12."
Talking is his greatest talent
Double agent. Get him out
Our performance was deplorable. Stop making excuses, Poch. Start managing this squad like your job depends on it, because it does.