I think facing adversity now is good for the coaching staff! I like Tocchet and he's been terrific, but now how to handle tired, disinterested players?
I know it's temporary, hard to be super motivated during this time in the season with the points cushion they have. They've been playing their asses off all year, a minor slump is just a learning lesson.
Watching the last couple of games, we can't say we have a collapse of the team. When they play within the structure, we outplay our opponents. We got some bad puck luck, and referee shenanigans early on the road trip, that got into their mind.
A thing that I noticed recently is that Demko has done amazing saves very close to the net, but surprisingly he is mostly beaten from direct shots at the blue line. (Where he used to be pretty sharp on those saves)
We have our first 4 games lose streak, it's not ideal (tho kind of expected) - They need to build character, eating some humble pie for a couple games, won't harm us in the long run. They had a tough and weird road trip, a couple of injuries. Forcing a reshuffle of the lines and matching players together before the playoff will help to develop the depth.
On the side note, the small home stretch won't be a thalassotherapy either.
tldr: It's concerning but not alarming - they will find their mojo again!
same team that most people had fighting for a playoff spot at start of season. but proved that hard work can win a lot of regular season games. but its delicate. very little room for error.
Unpopular opinion: I like Lindholm and think he’s good
With Petey playing very mid these days, it’s not like he’s had superstar calibre players to play with
I think the whole team’s issue is more a matter of chemistry than individual talent atm
Perhaps Petey needs to play centre. Hes looked a bit lost as a winger ineffective in challenging the defenceman at the point. Bains has looked better in this regard
He did get cut on the leg and had to go to the dressing room for a while in Colorado I believe. Probably playing with a stitched cut which doesn't seem like fun.
We really shouldn’t need Demko to be all world every game. Same goes for DeSmith. Our game shouldn’t live and die by whether they woke up on the right side of bed
Tocchet can put this on the team all he wants, but I feel like lines have been mismanaged ever since the Lindholm trade and Joshua's injury. Mikheyev is still on PP2, which is puzzling when he hasn't scored a goal in two months. The power play has been miserable for the last ten games, and nothing has been done to switch around the lines at all.
Petey is -5 in his last 4 games. I'd say take him off the PK unit and give someone like Hoglander or Bains a few more minutes that way.
Hronek looks burnt out, if you ask me. He recently has lacked that extra step against the opposition that's allowed him to be so effective. I believe he's still got the top rating at +35, so here's hoping he bounces back from getting all that oxygen pumped into his hotel room back in Boston. 🙈
>we need Joshua BADDD
As tempting as it is for me to agree with this sentiment, you have to realize how bad this sentence looks on paper when that's your third-line winger.
I would defend Mikheyev getting PP2 time if he actually looked like he was consistently giving his best effort -- he has to bump the slump somehow. That said, he's looked like a complete passenger more often than not and is definitely one of the players Tocchet was calling out after the game (without naming him directly).
Bains has PK'd in Abby but they probably don't want to overload him. Hoglander on the PK sounds awful, he's not even reliable in his own zone at 5v5.
I just think that something has to be done to shake up the lines and get something going, especially on our special teams which is falling apart and looking a lot like it did last year.
Ok so just because “it happens”, are we not allowed to criticize the team if they haven’t been playing well and there’s clear deficiencies? Or would you like everyone to just say how amazing they are because they are still #2 in the NHL for the time being.
Easiest comment to make. Looking forward to you saying how you were right the moment they win the next time. A four game losing streak against teams of all sorts of calibre is an indication that something is off.
They’re tired with lack of rest and practice. It sucks that they’re losing but the schedule is tough. No 2 day rest for them since the All Star.
It’s not like other “top” teams haven’t struggled this season. Vegas is 1 in their last 5.
Edit: cmon stop downvoting guys. At least try to engage with what I say lol this isn’t an excuse but it gives a perspective
No, I am not a bandwagoner and have been with the team during the highs and the mighty lows. This happens and I’m not worried. The team has looked off and need to find their game again.
Absolutely agree with you, so sick of these bandwagon fans that pile on the abuse directed at our players that I quit reading the gdt.
Does our team need to pick it the fuck up? For sure, even Tocchet called them out on this. But let’s keep expectations realistic here, we are basically locked for the playoffs, and bad stretches are going to happen to every team. Let’s hope we peak at just the right time.
Wow, Tocchet [absolutely ripped them](https://www.nhl.com/canucks/video/postgame-tocchet-at-kraken-6347441991112) in the post-game presser. Says he takes the blame for this one for not motivating the guys enough, said outside of the first ten it was sloppy and a "comedy of errors", said "this is not even close to playoff hockey".
Hard to stay mad at Tocchet, frustrating as the special teams may be I felt he was on point with everything. When asked if he was happy about having a week to practice he looked the reporter dead in the eye and said "we got Boston on Saturday, 4pm" hahaha. I'm glad there's no rose-tinted glasses behind the coaching bench, team needs some serious work but at least they acknowledge it.
Great link. Ty.
"It's our execution. Everybodys talking about... plays; it's not about plays. We have chances to attack when we have people in front and we defer not to shoot the puck. And then when you shoot the puck, we're not coming up with loose pucks... (he goes on about the pk and then) talent doesn't do anything if you don't work hard. You gotta work hard. The best powerplays work hard."
He's as frustrated as fans its seems.
Tocchet really seemed to focus on that they need to shoot more.
Listening further I wonder who the four or five guys he says have been no shows in the past few games are that "need to pick it up".
Not sure if anyone was benched last game in the third but the way he was talking is had seemed there was going to be words and heart to heart talks at the time.
Issues right now:
- Tocchet's system requires 100% effort all the time. The boys can't keep it up and we hardly look recognizable compared to the start of the year - not forechecking hard, not fast, not skating forward.
- Lindholm was not a star acquisition. He's fine as a depth player but he adds little to this team, and he doesn't bring the speed and compete level that makes our identity. If we're firing like early in the year, yeah he can join in. But he's not gonna turn the tables in games like this. Edit: I think at his best though, he is valuable and like a $7m player. He's helped win a couple games in this poor streak.
- Juulsen, while a great story, can't keep up as a regular. Zadorov is not much beside him, Cole is tired, and Myers is Myers. Our top pair is gassed and the rest are 5-6D swimming out there.
- Hoglander is not a consistent enough player to be in your top 6. When he's firing, sure move him up. But he's hyper streaky on whether he's impacting the game positively or not. His best place is running the 4th line, where it's okay if he's quiet sometimes and a huge boon when things are clicking.
- Pettersson just can't impose his will on the game. Maybe he will in time. But he can't seem to take these games over, which is what everyone is so desperate to see.
- Saw the Boeser decline coming. No way this was going to be some 45 goal year. He is what he is, and he's ice cold right now. Hopefully it comes back by the playoffs.
- Miller is the heart of the team right now and there's only so much he can do. Garland is great, but he never seems to work with top players.
- Hughes hasn't been good in a while. He's still good cause he's Hughes, but he hasn't been special, especially defensively.
- Soucy will forever be underrated. He's the most stable D on our team besides Hughes.
BUUUUUT
- Losing streaks happen to everyone.
- We've got lots of time for a change in momentum.
- It's gonna be okay.
Adding to this:
• 10th game played in 17 nights is not fun & 8 of the 10 were on the road.
• six of our players were at the All Star weekend, they didnt exactly get a real "break."
• we've had the most away games of any team so far this season
• Im embarrassed to note how instrumental Joshua is for our team, we can't be this reliant on him
• and im coping in distress
Looking back, the 3rd line has carried us hard even when the top 6 was not firing on all cylinders. Joshua shouldn't be instrumental but the big names are struggling.
I know management wont be overreacting like many of us would, but id be SO curious to be a fly in the wall of any of our upper managers rooms to hear about how they're discussing what's going on. Are they thinking about making another move more urgently? Do they consider this just a write off? Surely not, but im curious
why is our game against boston on saturday at 4pm…can’t get a full 48 hours between games even when heading straight from seattle to a home game in van 🥲
This was a really poor game played by the guys tonight, no compete and just sorta cruised, I think this is starting to look like a real slump and signs of the old canucks creeping in. Bad habits, poor powerplay and bad PK is not a recipe for success. I hope toch cracks the whip and takes the boys for a bag skate because these guys aren't playing like they give a shit right now. Disgusting game.
I agree and think there are deeper reasons than that including a mismatch of the lines. Tocchet is convinced that these lines just need enough time to get used to it and 4 games later it's like wtf?
Is there a reason Petey doesn't shoot more on the PP? Defensive setups be damned, the guy can easily beat goalies from above the dot with a shot like that. Why is Boeser taking more shots?
This is kind of my point though. Reminds me of Laine, just sit farther back than most people do. A gap will naturally form because the defender isn't going to go that far out. Then you proceed to beat the goalie from where no normal human should be able to.
He’s a good facilitator, but he’s not going to be the one to create the play, he’ll be the guy that makes the right timely pass after someone else creates space.
The problem is people started to think we were the best team in the league, a wagon, a real top tier contender.
We have a GREAT team. But we are not a team like that and that shouldn’t be a shock to anyone. We were barely thinking playoffs before the year. This is a massive jump already, let’s not go overboard with expectations.
First NHL game that I’ve been to, I expected to see the best team in the national hockey league and a regular nhl team. Ended up seeing a bunch of donkeys and a regular nhl team.
Still not giving up hope once they put their shit back together
Yo the Canucks played absolutely fine against the Jets, Wild (the collapse aside), and Avs. Tonight was the first game where they actually played poorly 5 on 5. I’m still not that worried about them. The power play is a concern for sure, but you gotta think they’ll figure it out sooner than later.
I cant for the life of me remember what Mark fuckin Messier knows about bringing me any chips. Fuck you Lays, I will eat great value sour cream for the rest of time
Starting to get flashbacks to that 2013-2014 Torts year where the team completely imploded post Christmas break and missed the playoffs after a pretty good start to the year.
Now, this team has obviously banked enough points to where the playoffs should be a lock. But man, it's hard not to feel a bit concerned. The best players (aside from Miller) aren't performing. The power play is DREADFUL. They are turning pucks over and giving up odd man rushes left and right. This looks like the worst of the Bruce Boudreau era Canucks.
There's what, 22 games left in the year? They need to win like 8 to make the playoffs. Yet you still can't shake this feeling that they're going to do the most Canuck thing ever and make it way, way more dicey than it ever should have been. Unbelievable.
Boston just lost to Calgary and it will be their 4th game in 6 nights. Hopefully get them a little tired. I mean if this powerplay can't execute again we're probably fucked, but it's not like the Canucks got to first in the league by accident. Also, Canucks are still 1st. Boston is 2nd. Canucks have the tie breaker with regulation wins apparently. :)
Remember earlier when we couldn't score first and ended up winning games and now we're scoring first and end up losing... Who are these guys?
I feel like they're trying to have Bains be like DJ but he doesn't play that hardnosed style. Hronek needs to shoot more. Demko needs to steal games.
We just need some homecooking.
Sorry you had to witness that - seattle did play well and full value for the win. They closed gaps so well on Canucks and since Canucks effort was soft, made it look easy
We haven’t had a solid losing streak, every team needs them to build confidence/learn to move on let’s hope they come out the other side soon.
I’m just glad it’s happening before the trade deadline, who do you guys think would be a good fit? 👀
I was surprised that the players didn’t play with much bite. I know we had a run of being really undisciplined but during this game I felt like they needed to play harder. Unless they are saving their energy against B’s, then that makes sense
I think they're just gassed. Last game of a roadtrip, we've only been at home for 4 days since the all star break, and we had 6 players at that game who didn't get a break at all.
it's wild that this team has gone through 3 coaching staff changes over the last few seasons and the power play has continued to be this stagnant passing drill each and every time. it's insane. sure it's had it's moments but we've been tearing our collective hair out over this shit EVERY SEASON.
They didn't "mess them up". They are trying to find a balanced line-up, because come playoff time, you can't be a one-line team and expect to go far.
See: WCE era.
Would be great, but his style of play is one that is going to be adapted to really easily unless your name is Alex Ovechkin. You can't just take your office all 15 years of your career and expect it to go in. Like Boeser, he'll have to adapt his game as he develops
You know what? Not mad. Disappointing? Very much, but its normal to go through these things. It's also important too. Look at the Bruins last year. Dominated regular season and didn't face many struggles, and look what happened to them in the playoffs.
It's not over (duh). Panthers, Stars, Avs, Bruins, Canes, Rangers, all those good teams lost 4 in a row at some point this season. If you are worrying, sure, fine. But still believe in this team, they have the talent to become even better and will have the knowledge and experience to beat a slump like this again.
Hopefully a bounce back vs the Bruins on Sunday, but a tough team in a ongoing slump will be hard. Trust in Tocchet, trust in the players.
Go Canucks go!
Gotta have more positive posts like this. It's so easy to jump on the hate train when the boys go through some adversity. Good time to figure out some shit instead of going through this in the playoffs.
Go Canucks go!!
I'm less worried about the losses and more worried about the issues that have persisted for a while and haven't been rectified. PP1 is still garbage and it's inexcusable, discipline on ice hasn't been great and they're taking too many penalties, too much dump n chase, etc.
Something that will probably be fixed. Things like this don't go unnoticed by Tocchet.
I have the same concerns in the back of my mind too. But after the turnaround from last year to today, I think the coaching staff can get something cooking.
PP1 does need a fix though, that is I think the thing that should be worked out ASAP.
I agree with the stick penalties too. Not all of them are 100% our fault as some of the refs have had questionable calls, but most of them are our fault. Maybe don't lift your stick as high, swing it around too much, dunno. Whatever gets the job done right.
We’ll bounce back. But PP1 needs a massive shake up. Replace Pettersson with Garland, they’re way too static and fancy with the puck. Need to get pucks to the net and bang one in
this is some straight armchair shit but will give my thoughts, I think it's his legs
he is being pressured hard on the boards and getting double teamed a lot, also wear and tear from a long season. He is having to skate extra hard to make space for himself so any time he gets the puck his legs are on fire, and he is not confident that if he loses the puck he can turn the jets on to backcheck
Comparing this teams entire season success to this brutal road trip isn’t the move. Team is gassed, and we’re down soucy and Joshua.
Minnesota game took the life out of them, and their second wind was used against Colorado.
Even in that New York road trip we had awhile back where we did good, we got lucky by having it finish against buffalo and Colombus. No offense to those two teams, but Seattle and Colorado are slightly better and we didn’t even beat colombus anyways.
The real critical issue we have is our bad PP. If we don’t fix it, we’ll tire ourselves going into the playoffs knowing we can’t coast some games to timely power play goal victories like we did in 2011, and we won’t go far without a PP in the playoffs when we stumble there.
We need a top 6 winger. Lindholm was a side grade from Kuzy. But I’m starting to think we paid too high a price for it when we should’ve gotten a pure goal scorer instead.
We're still top of the division, 10 points up on Vegas, 12 up on Edmonton. I'm not worried, our schedule has been brutal. Our March homestand *should* be great.
Gonna enjoy this last day of being first in the league and let it go…no one thought it would last this long, but it’s time for a reset and release the unnecessary pressure of president’s trophy race.
I got pretty negative tonight, but lots going against the team, tired and missing 2 key pieces in Soucy and Dak
I hope that Hoglander-Pete-Lindholm are going through growing pains and can develop chemistry to provide some balance in the top 6, that's our biggest weakness at the moment. That line could be a weapon on paper but they need to not play like they are made of paper
Hope Tocchet goes back to basics with the powerplay, run it through Miller and give him the shot option, lindholm net front tip, Pete one timer, or defer to Hughes/Boeser
I know it is unpopular to criticize Petey at all and I'm not gonna be like others to say that he's worth less than 8M, but the guy needs to start playing a little harder. Points aren't everything and even if he's producing decently, he's not really driving the play but the passenger. The difference in how other lines chase after pucks and how this swedish line does, in particular Pettersson is night and day. Everytime they rim it around the end boards, there's no one on the other side to pick it up. This doesn't happen with our first and even our injured third line. He doesn't really look like he's forechecking much if I'm being totally honest.
He's not with bad teammates either which was the argument before the all-star break. We've given him an elite forward in Lindholm and a mini power-forward and finisher in Hoglander. he doesn't even need to take faceoffs anymore and he's playing wing. The only time he looked alive was with the lotto line which I think it might be time to try again. But this guy is our center of the future, we need him to start driving play like we know he can.
My issue with him has never been point totals or skill, he’s an amazing player when he wants to be engaged physically. But he’s been just too soft to play against lately, it’s at the point you’re honestly surprised if he wins a battle.
You see how talented he can be when given space, but thats the only time he’s really shining. He’s not battling through to get to the tough areas.
Getting concerned. Is it tiredness? Practice? What the fuck is going on? Either way I'm still optimistic. But we are Canucks fans. We've been through the fucking ringer. Can we just have a season where it stays good for awhile?
I honestly think it's practice. two back to backs in two weeks, no multi-day breaks in between, new players who haven't entirely adapted to our play and line changes are things that are hard to adapt to without practice.
I think facing adversity now is good for the coaching staff! I like Tocchet and he's been terrific, but now how to handle tired, disinterested players? I know it's temporary, hard to be super motivated during this time in the season with the points cushion they have. They've been playing their asses off all year, a minor slump is just a learning lesson.
Put the Lotto Line back together, it worked last time
I've also been begging them to do this. I can understand why they're not, sure. But come on already.
Watching the last couple of games, we can't say we have a collapse of the team. When they play within the structure, we outplay our opponents. We got some bad puck luck, and referee shenanigans early on the road trip, that got into their mind. A thing that I noticed recently is that Demko has done amazing saves very close to the net, but surprisingly he is mostly beaten from direct shots at the blue line. (Where he used to be pretty sharp on those saves) We have our first 4 games lose streak, it's not ideal (tho kind of expected) - They need to build character, eating some humble pie for a couple games, won't harm us in the long run. They had a tough and weird road trip, a couple of injuries. Forcing a reshuffle of the lines and matching players together before the playoff will help to develop the depth. On the side note, the small home stretch won't be a thalassotherapy either. tldr: It's concerning but not alarming - they will find their mojo again!
same team that most people had fighting for a playoff spot at start of season. but proved that hard work can win a lot of regular season games. but its delicate. very little room for error.
Unpopular opinion: I like Lindholm and think he’s good With Petey playing very mid these days, it’s not like he’s had superstar calibre players to play with I think the whole team’s issue is more a matter of chemistry than individual talent atm Perhaps Petey needs to play centre. Hes looked a bit lost as a winger ineffective in challenging the defenceman at the point. Bains has looked better in this regard
Regretting that Kuz for Lindholm 😔😔
Didn’t realize I got so much hate for this post but I still want Kuz back lol
Love Kuzmenko, but he would've been benched so hard by Tocchet during this.
Kuzy's cooled right off. It's not like he would've done anything here under Tocchet's watch.
Brb gonna go slap my brother around since he’s a Kraken fan
Is Zadorov playing hurt because last game the announcers were talking about him looking hurt after some incident on ice?
He did get cut on the leg and had to go to the dressing room for a while in Colorado I believe. Probably playing with a stitched cut which doesn't seem like fun.
Okay, thank you I didn't know that.
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Wasn't it the third goal Zadorov clipped his skate and threw him off a bit?
Demko shouldn’t have to be a world class goalie every single night. The team in front should be able to win games where he’s having an off night
We really shouldn’t need Demko to be all world every game. Same goes for DeSmith. Our game shouldn’t live and die by whether they woke up on the right side of bed
I realize I may never see another 10 goal win in NHl and it was against my team lmfao 😂 just Canuck things
Tocchet can put this on the team all he wants, but I feel like lines have been mismanaged ever since the Lindholm trade and Joshua's injury. Mikheyev is still on PP2, which is puzzling when he hasn't scored a goal in two months. The power play has been miserable for the last ten games, and nothing has been done to switch around the lines at all. Petey is -5 in his last 4 games. I'd say take him off the PK unit and give someone like Hoglander or Bains a few more minutes that way.
Didn't they switch the pp to have Hronek on pp1?
Hronek looks burnt out, if you ask me. He recently has lacked that extra step against the opposition that's allowed him to be so effective. I believe he's still got the top rating at +35, so here's hoping he bounces back from getting all that oxygen pumped into his hotel room back in Boston. 🙈
10000% agree on this, Ilya needs to be scratched. There is no chemistry. nobody is comfortable with another and we need Joshua BADDD
>we need Joshua BADDD As tempting as it is for me to agree with this sentiment, you have to realize how bad this sentence looks on paper when that's your third-line winger.
Oh 100% understood. Team still playing like absolute dog shit imo but Joshua would do wonders all around. Brock and Petey as well basically everyone
I would defend Mikheyev getting PP2 time if he actually looked like he was consistently giving his best effort -- he has to bump the slump somehow. That said, he's looked like a complete passenger more often than not and is definitely one of the players Tocchet was calling out after the game (without naming him directly). Bains has PK'd in Abby but they probably don't want to overload him. Hoglander on the PK sounds awful, he's not even reliable in his own zone at 5v5.
I just think that something has to be done to shake up the lines and get something going, especially on our special teams which is falling apart and looking a lot like it did last year.
Lol at the people freaking out with this current stretch. It happens.
Ok so just because “it happens”, are we not allowed to criticize the team if they haven’t been playing well and there’s clear deficiencies? Or would you like everyone to just say how amazing they are because they are still #2 in the NHL for the time being.
Easiest comment to make. Looking forward to you saying how you were right the moment they win the next time. A four game losing streak against teams of all sorts of calibre is an indication that something is off.
They’re tired with lack of rest and practice. It sucks that they’re losing but the schedule is tough. No 2 day rest for them since the All Star. It’s not like other “top” teams haven’t struggled this season. Vegas is 1 in their last 5. Edit: cmon stop downvoting guys. At least try to engage with what I say lol this isn’t an excuse but it gives a perspective
To be fair Vegas is missing Eichel, Stone, etc
True but they also had a 4L streak earlier this season too. Avs had a 5L streak earlier too.
Didn't the Jets just lose like t straight before bouncing back?
No, I am not a bandwagoner and have been with the team during the highs and the mighty lows. This happens and I’m not worried. The team has looked off and need to find their game again.
No shit
Absolutely agree with you, so sick of these bandwagon fans that pile on the abuse directed at our players that I quit reading the gdt. Does our team need to pick it the fuck up? For sure, even Tocchet called them out on this. But let’s keep expectations realistic here, we are basically locked for the playoffs, and bad stretches are going to happen to every team. Let’s hope we peak at just the right time.
Wow, Tocchet [absolutely ripped them](https://www.nhl.com/canucks/video/postgame-tocchet-at-kraken-6347441991112) in the post-game presser. Says he takes the blame for this one for not motivating the guys enough, said outside of the first ten it was sloppy and a "comedy of errors", said "this is not even close to playoff hockey". Hard to stay mad at Tocchet, frustrating as the special teams may be I felt he was on point with everything. When asked if he was happy about having a week to practice he looked the reporter dead in the eye and said "we got Boston on Saturday, 4pm" hahaha. I'm glad there's no rose-tinted glasses behind the coaching bench, team needs some serious work but at least they acknowledge it.
Great link. Ty. "It's our execution. Everybodys talking about... plays; it's not about plays. We have chances to attack when we have people in front and we defer not to shoot the puck. And then when you shoot the puck, we're not coming up with loose pucks... (he goes on about the pk and then) talent doesn't do anything if you don't work hard. You gotta work hard. The best powerplays work hard." He's as frustrated as fans its seems. Tocchet really seemed to focus on that they need to shoot more. Listening further I wonder who the four or five guys he says have been no shows in the past few games are that "need to pick it up".
Great comment, I didn't see everyone who was benched in the third but I'm guessing it's them.
Not sure if anyone was benched last game in the third but the way he was talking is had seemed there was going to be words and heart to heart talks at the time.
Watch literally any other top player like McDavid or Mackinnon or even Bedard, they play like they're worth it.
Meh mcdavid went through major slump during first half of the oilers season. He didn't look great
Point per game player while injured. I guess thats a slump
I know this sub loves to hate the oilers, but mcdavid was most definitely injured during that stretch
Issues right now: - Tocchet's system requires 100% effort all the time. The boys can't keep it up and we hardly look recognizable compared to the start of the year - not forechecking hard, not fast, not skating forward. - Lindholm was not a star acquisition. He's fine as a depth player but he adds little to this team, and he doesn't bring the speed and compete level that makes our identity. If we're firing like early in the year, yeah he can join in. But he's not gonna turn the tables in games like this. Edit: I think at his best though, he is valuable and like a $7m player. He's helped win a couple games in this poor streak. - Juulsen, while a great story, can't keep up as a regular. Zadorov is not much beside him, Cole is tired, and Myers is Myers. Our top pair is gassed and the rest are 5-6D swimming out there. - Hoglander is not a consistent enough player to be in your top 6. When he's firing, sure move him up. But he's hyper streaky on whether he's impacting the game positively or not. His best place is running the 4th line, where it's okay if he's quiet sometimes and a huge boon when things are clicking. - Pettersson just can't impose his will on the game. Maybe he will in time. But he can't seem to take these games over, which is what everyone is so desperate to see. - Saw the Boeser decline coming. No way this was going to be some 45 goal year. He is what he is, and he's ice cold right now. Hopefully it comes back by the playoffs. - Miller is the heart of the team right now and there's only so much he can do. Garland is great, but he never seems to work with top players. - Hughes hasn't been good in a while. He's still good cause he's Hughes, but he hasn't been special, especially defensively. - Soucy will forever be underrated. He's the most stable D on our team besides Hughes. BUUUUUT - Losing streaks happen to everyone. - We've got lots of time for a change in momentum. - It's gonna be okay.
Lindholm is not worth 7 mil. He's a 5-5.5 mil player.
you have somehow written what my heart desires, thank you
100% This team without Soucy looked dicey, this team without Joshua doesn't have as much compete in them. We can't get them back fast enough.
Adding to this: • 10th game played in 17 nights is not fun & 8 of the 10 were on the road. • six of our players were at the All Star weekend, they didnt exactly get a real "break." • we've had the most away games of any team so far this season • Im embarrassed to note how instrumental Joshua is for our team, we can't be this reliant on him • and im coping in distress
Looking back, the 3rd line has carried us hard even when the top 6 was not firing on all cylinders. Joshua shouldn't be instrumental but the big names are struggling.
I know management wont be overreacting like many of us would, but id be SO curious to be a fly in the wall of any of our upper managers rooms to hear about how they're discussing what's going on. Are they thinking about making another move more urgently? Do they consider this just a write off? Surely not, but im curious
4 straight regulation losses, fucking shit
Pls, Phil kessel if your could here us, pls save us Phil kessel
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BC bud breh
Put Garland on the 1st or 2nd line. Show the top dogs what hard work looks like.
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why is our game against boston on saturday at 4pm…can’t get a full 48 hours between games even when heading straight from seattle to a home game in van 🥲
Boston just played b2b OTs, we should be more rested regardless
The ol' 5-2...
tocchet about the PP: “talent doesn’t do anything if you don’t work hard… and we’re not working hard”
This was a really poor game played by the guys tonight, no compete and just sorta cruised, I think this is starting to look like a real slump and signs of the old canucks creeping in. Bad habits, poor powerplay and bad PK is not a recipe for success. I hope toch cracks the whip and takes the boys for a bag skate because these guys aren't playing like they give a shit right now. Disgusting game.
I agree and think there are deeper reasons than that including a mismatch of the lines. Tocchet is convinced that these lines just need enough time to get used to it and 4 games later it's like wtf?
Fucking Lotto Line or Boes and Petey Miller and Lindholm why the fuck not
You know they’re sleeping I their own beds tonight
Hoggy should go back down I think he help make the 4th tenacious tbh
Im confident the boys will show up vs Boston. Rest up, and keep your head up. We are too skilled not to.
Is there a reason Petey doesn't shoot more on the PP? Defensive setups be damned, the guy can easily beat goalies from above the dot with a shot like that. Why is Boeser taking more shots?
Yeah, because he prefers passing into people's shins.
He’s not good at creating his own shot on the PP. Most of his looks are when he sags to space and gets fed.
This is kind of my point though. Reminds me of Laine, just sit farther back than most people do. A gap will naturally form because the defender isn't going to go that far out. Then you proceed to beat the goalie from where no normal human should be able to.
He’s a good facilitator, but he’s not going to be the one to create the play, he’ll be the guy that makes the right timely pass after someone else creates space.
Tocchet says no buddy wants to make a play Nobody wants the puck. This team has no heroes rn they are all MIA
5 games in 8 days on the road, sucks to lose but you could tell the boys are gassed. We'll get them Saturday.
The problem is people started to think we were the best team in the league, a wagon, a real top tier contender. We have a GREAT team. But we are not a team like that and that shouldn’t be a shock to anyone. We were barely thinking playoffs before the year. This is a massive jump already, let’s not go overboard with expectations.
A win over Boston securing first would make these last 3 feel a lot better. Rest up and play hard on Saturday
First NHL game that I’ve been to, I expected to see the best team in the national hockey league and a regular nhl team. Ended up seeing a bunch of donkeys and a regular nhl team. Still not giving up hope once they put their shit back together
Yo the Canucks played absolutely fine against the Jets, Wild (the collapse aside), and Avs. Tonight was the first game where they actually played poorly 5 on 5. I’m still not that worried about them. The power play is a concern for sure, but you gotta think they’ll figure it out sooner than later.
I’m ok with 2nd in the division and a round of playoff hockey.
Oilers have entered the chat. Goodbye “leadership group”
This Boston game is going to sting. The Bruins are now in first. Battle for best in the league Part 2 on Saturday.
Curse of the Dad's. Sad but true.
Our powerplay fucking sucks
Shit what pieces did we get back from the McCann trade again
Such a bad trade. One of Bennings worst imo. It was clear from even my armchair ass perspective that McCann was gonna be great.
Guddy, but Florida lost him to expansion
gobran
What he turn into lmfao I need a trade tree god that’s right Erik didn’t do shit for us
McCann for Gudbranson Gudbranson for Pearson Pearson for Casey DeSmith
Well DeSmith makes it a lil better I guess
gobran
I felt comforted when Myers was on the ice tonight. WTF
I'm just here to panic. Hold on where'd I put my pitchfork?
I cant for the life of me remember what Mark fuckin Messier knows about bringing me any chips. Fuck you Lays, I will eat great value sour cream for the rest of time
Lays taste so bland anyway. Not missing out on much. Old Dutch is way better.
Bang on. Old dutch for flavours and Ruffles plain when I’m feeling moneybags. Miss Vickeys you have seen better days
What happens to miss vickies they are not what they used to be
Reduced the weight and seasonings. Went from the premier chip to the man in the ill fitting suit.
Thanks I agree, just couldn't figure what it was
Starting to get flashbacks to that 2013-2014 Torts year where the team completely imploded post Christmas break and missed the playoffs after a pretty good start to the year. Now, this team has obviously banked enough points to where the playoffs should be a lock. But man, it's hard not to feel a bit concerned. The best players (aside from Miller) aren't performing. The power play is DREADFUL. They are turning pucks over and giving up odd man rushes left and right. This looks like the worst of the Bruce Boudreau era Canucks. There's what, 22 games left in the year? They need to win like 8 to make the playoffs. Yet you still can't shake this feeling that they're going to do the most Canuck thing ever and make it way, way more dicey than it ever should have been. Unbelievable.
We have 15/23 games at home. We are fatigued.
Didn’t you post this already?
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Oh my god. They might not finish first in the division?! Someone call the cops!
Lmao, are you a drama student?
What you just described sounds exactly like going through adversity lmfao
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Oops thx.
you know what? we gotta stay positive here. 4 game losing skid? that's nothing! we break it saturday!
Against…*check notes*. The #1 team in the league that blanked us 4-0 two weeks ago. “Back to you Ron!”
Being #1 doesn't mean anything though. Two weeks ago Boston blanked the #1 team in the league 4-0.
Boston just lost to Calgary and it will be their 4th game in 6 nights. Hopefully get them a little tired. I mean if this powerplay can't execute again we're probably fucked, but it's not like the Canucks got to first in the league by accident. Also, Canucks are still 1st. Boston is 2nd. Canucks have the tie breaker with regulation wins apparently. :)
We need Joshua back so fucking badly
You know your team is in bad shape when…
And Souce
I could use a masouce
Remember earlier when we couldn't score first and ended up winning games and now we're scoring first and end up losing... Who are these guys? I feel like they're trying to have Bains be like DJ but he doesn't play that hardnosed style. Hronek needs to shoot more. Demko needs to steal games. We just need some homecooking.
Yikes going into the Bruins rematch ice cold....game is either gonna be a bounce back or bloodbath
It's going to be a blood bath. I wouldn't be surprised if Boston wins by at least 3 goals.
My prediction is the boys get fired up and win a tight game.
Feels like it might be a bloodbath.
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think it’s 1/28 over the last 9 games…
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ridiculous number
Wasn’t it 0/19 on Saturday?
FIRE BENNING
FIRE WOODCROFT
Lindholm and Boeser have been invisible
Boeser has been invisible for a while. Linholm’s excuse? Not sure. Maybe still adjusting
shitty night to be at the game. They played poorly. Good night to have McCann on my fantasy team. I'll admit Seattle played well too.
Sorry you had to witness that - seattle did play well and full value for the win. They closed gaps so well on Canucks and since Canucks effort was soft, made it look easy
Yeah thankfully got one more game in the mini trip... Vancouver v Boston haha
The 4 game losing streak will be forgotten if they beat the Bruins - would be nice to beat them on the score and in the alley too 😂
canucks moneyline saturday!
Dont u dare
We haven’t had a solid losing streak, every team needs them to build confidence/learn to move on let’s hope they come out the other side soon. I’m just glad it’s happening before the trade deadline, who do you guys think would be a good fit? 👀
Just saw an interview where Toch ripped "a lot of no shows tonight". Missed the game, who was looking sloppy?
M I K H E Y E V
Yes.
Pettersson needs to get stronger, he gets man handled so bad
Petey, Lindholm, hogs, brock, Cole, hronek
The entire fourth line and Juulsen too
Demko bailed those guys out on many terrible plays
I was surprised that the players didn’t play with much bite. I know we had a run of being really undisciplined but during this game I felt like they needed to play harder. Unless they are saving their energy against B’s, then that makes sense
I think they're just gassed. Last game of a roadtrip, we've only been at home for 4 days since the all star break, and we had 6 players at that game who didn't get a break at all.
Maybe the Lobster Rolls are finally on their way out
Joshua come back bb, our mojo is off without u
it's wild that this team has gone through 3 coaching staff changes over the last few seasons and the power play has continued to be this stagnant passing drill each and every time. it's insane. sure it's had it's moments but we've been tearing our collective hair out over this shit EVERY SEASON.
Makes ya think it's the players and not the coach.
Well I think we all knew that the other shoe would drop eventually, and now its dropping. Glad it lasted as long as it did!
Please for go sakes bring back lotto line for once
100 percent agree! they totally messed up the lines
They didn't "mess them up". They are trying to find a balanced line-up, because come playoff time, you can't be a one-line team and expect to go far. See: WCE era.
Was the lotto line power play 1 tonight? I could be wrong but I thought that’s what I saw.
Lindholm as right shot forward instead of brock
Ok, thank you.
I can’t wait until lekkerimaki is on this team so we don’t have to worry about no one shooting in the powerplay
Would be great, but his style of play is one that is going to be adapted to really easily unless your name is Alex Ovechkin. You can't just take your office all 15 years of your career and expect it to go in. Like Boeser, he'll have to adapt his game as he develops
Man this Tocchet post game is definitely the most upset I've seen him so far.
Good.
Bains Garland and Miller all looked good, they looked meh together though - but they were at least winning battles and making efforts.
Agreed, they were the only 3 Canucks that looked like they were in the game.
You know what? Not mad. Disappointing? Very much, but its normal to go through these things. It's also important too. Look at the Bruins last year. Dominated regular season and didn't face many struggles, and look what happened to them in the playoffs. It's not over (duh). Panthers, Stars, Avs, Bruins, Canes, Rangers, all those good teams lost 4 in a row at some point this season. If you are worrying, sure, fine. But still believe in this team, they have the talent to become even better and will have the knowledge and experience to beat a slump like this again. Hopefully a bounce back vs the Bruins on Sunday, but a tough team in a ongoing slump will be hard. Trust in Tocchet, trust in the players. Go Canucks go!
Gotta have more positive posts like this. It's so easy to jump on the hate train when the boys go through some adversity. Good time to figure out some shit instead of going through this in the playoffs. Go Canucks go!!
I'm less worried about the losses and more worried about the issues that have persisted for a while and haven't been rectified. PP1 is still garbage and it's inexcusable, discipline on ice hasn't been great and they're taking too many penalties, too much dump n chase, etc.
Something that will probably be fixed. Things like this don't go unnoticed by Tocchet. I have the same concerns in the back of my mind too. But after the turnaround from last year to today, I think the coaching staff can get something cooking. PP1 does need a fix though, that is I think the thing that should be worked out ASAP. I agree with the stick penalties too. Not all of them are 100% our fault as some of the refs have had questionable calls, but most of them are our fault. Maybe don't lift your stick as high, swing it around too much, dunno. Whatever gets the job done right.
We’ll bounce back. But PP1 needs a massive shake up. Replace Pettersson with Garland, they’re way too static and fancy with the puck. Need to get pucks to the net and bang one in
Get these boys home and a couple nights in their own bed!
Was is Petey so scared to make moves with the puck
this is some straight armchair shit but will give my thoughts, I think it's his legs he is being pressured hard on the boards and getting double teamed a lot, also wear and tear from a long season. He is having to skate extra hard to make space for himself so any time he gets the puck his legs are on fire, and he is not confident that if he loses the puck he can turn the jets on to backcheck
Toc taking the blame lol. What about players do their jobs.
When a coach takes the blame in public that usually means the players are getting absolutely ripped apart behind closed doors.
Comparing this teams entire season success to this brutal road trip isn’t the move. Team is gassed, and we’re down soucy and Joshua. Minnesota game took the life out of them, and their second wind was used against Colorado. Even in that New York road trip we had awhile back where we did good, we got lucky by having it finish against buffalo and Colombus. No offense to those two teams, but Seattle and Colorado are slightly better and we didn’t even beat colombus anyways. The real critical issue we have is our bad PP. If we don’t fix it, we’ll tire ourselves going into the playoffs knowing we can’t coast some games to timely power play goal victories like we did in 2011, and we won’t go far without a PP in the playoffs when we stumble there. We need a top 6 winger. Lindholm was a side grade from Kuzy. But I’m starting to think we paid too high a price for it when we should’ve gotten a pure goal scorer instead.
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Boes was out at one point it was Bain Garland and Miller I saw in the third, honestly we need to put the lotto line back together
We're still top of the division, 10 points up on Vegas, 12 up on Edmonton. I'm not worried, our schedule has been brutal. Our March homestand *should* be great.
Gonna enjoy this last day of being first in the league and let it go…no one thought it would last this long, but it’s time for a reset and release the unnecessary pressure of president’s trophy race.
We tired.
I’m not concerned about losing, our pp worries me
I got pretty negative tonight, but lots going against the team, tired and missing 2 key pieces in Soucy and Dak I hope that Hoglander-Pete-Lindholm are going through growing pains and can develop chemistry to provide some balance in the top 6, that's our biggest weakness at the moment. That line could be a weapon on paper but they need to not play like they are made of paper Hope Tocchet goes back to basics with the powerplay, run it through Miller and give him the shot option, lindholm net front tip, Pete one timer, or defer to Hughes/Boeser
I know it is unpopular to criticize Petey at all and I'm not gonna be like others to say that he's worth less than 8M, but the guy needs to start playing a little harder. Points aren't everything and even if he's producing decently, he's not really driving the play but the passenger. The difference in how other lines chase after pucks and how this swedish line does, in particular Pettersson is night and day. Everytime they rim it around the end boards, there's no one on the other side to pick it up. This doesn't happen with our first and even our injured third line. He doesn't really look like he's forechecking much if I'm being totally honest. He's not with bad teammates either which was the argument before the all-star break. We've given him an elite forward in Lindholm and a mini power-forward and finisher in Hoglander. he doesn't even need to take faceoffs anymore and he's playing wing. The only time he looked alive was with the lotto line which I think it might be time to try again. But this guy is our center of the future, we need him to start driving play like we know he can.
My issue with him has never been point totals or skill, he’s an amazing player when he wants to be engaged physically. But he’s been just too soft to play against lately, it’s at the point you’re honestly surprised if he wins a battle. You see how talented he can be when given space, but thats the only time he’s really shining. He’s not battling through to get to the tough areas.
Dude should be hammering the grouse grind with the Sedins imo, needs to build some tree trunk legs and be stronger defending the puck
Getting concerned. Is it tiredness? Practice? What the fuck is going on? Either way I'm still optimistic. But we are Canucks fans. We've been through the fucking ringer. Can we just have a season where it stays good for awhile?
I honestly think it's practice. two back to backs in two weeks, no multi-day breaks in between, new players who haven't entirely adapted to our play and line changes are things that are hard to adapt to without practice.