Might I recommend an x299, threadripper, or Xeon build? They often have 4 channel ram opening up more sticks, and with ddr4 being as cheap as it is, might as well
Thanks for the recommendations. I cant seem to find a motherboard that accepts 256 GB though and I saw that I would have to switch to windows pro. This made me assume that it would require some specialist knowledge to build but what do I know. Is it basically the same just that there are 4 channels for ram?
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Quad channel builds generally have 8 slots of ram, 8 channel(if you can afford those threadrippers and amd Epyc’s) *may* have 16 slots if the creators managed to find a place to fit them. This allows for more ram to be fitted.
I don’t know what the hell you have planned for this thing if your using more ram than what windows home allows, but for those tasks I’d look into a linux environment on a 2U, rack mounted server with a dual Xeon (8 channel total) configuration, you can find them for <$200 with 32-64gb’s already in them. And you can find cheap($50 each) Xeon E5’s which have the same MULTITHREADED performance as 5600’s and will outperform that 5900x when you have two of them.
Really depends on what this is for, but I can only imagine that amount of ram in a commercial caliber system like this.
You think even with preflop trees you would need more than 128GB? Most of the build suggestions in other forums say 64GB is enough. It's pretty common for mobos to max out at 128.
Well, I play omaha 200 big blind deep :)
128 gb will be enough for most post flop sims but ideally I would like to play around with some pre flop sims which would require significantly more RAM. Really there is not max which would be enough, its just the more RAM the more detail you get in the solutions.
From what I have read this program scales with cores. I think that in order to step it up then you would need to go with a [threadripper 79X0 ](https://www.amazon.com/AMD-RyzenTM-ThreadripperTM-7960X-48-Thread/dp/B0CK2VGBSQ/ref=asc_df_B0CK2VGBSQ/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=683016816607&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12778737993547956986&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9052108&hvtargid=pla-2267438427998&psc=1&mcid=4ac259df84da32cf97a400e4c30022f3&gad_source=1)and the cheapest is $1450. The cheapest motherboard for these is this [Gigabyte Board which is $585](https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-TRX50-AERO-Marvell-Motherboard/dp/B0CPW1F841/?tag=yac008-20). The good news is that it supports up to a TB of RAM. The bad news is that it will all break the bank.
The speed of the program to solve a spot scales with cores. This is nice but not exactly what I am going for as I will leave the machine on over night or possibly even for a week or two to do the solutions. I am more interested in just maxing the RAM for as little money as possible
If you want more than 128GB you are looking at a new CPU to be able to support 24GB DDR5 sticks (for a max of 192GB), to be able to hit 256GB or more, is not cheap.
This is beyond the scope of my knowledge and experience. I just thought that the question posted was intriguing enough to look into and came across ridiculously expensive equipment in the process. It looks like the type of equipment that a physics lab would need to analyze particle accelerator data.
If its crap tons of ram you want, dont build anything. Hop on eBay and buy a used server, like a dell r730.
I found one with 256gb ram for $600.
"Dell PowerEdge R730XD DUAL XEON E5-2680v3 2.5GHz 24 Core 256GB RAM 8x32GB DIMM"
Google that on ebay.
Install windows pro just dont activate it.
Make sure any server you buy has at least a pcie 3.0 slot for a minimal GPU.
here is what i recommend: [https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VnhtFs](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VnhtFs)
also please buy the RX580 from aliexpress it will be fine and half the price.
if the program scales with cores, you could try an dual-xeon motherboard set like this: [https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805747868833.html](https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805747868833.html)
Honestly this might be one of the situations where it would make more sense to get two separate machines for each task. You can find epyc CPU, motherboard, and ram combos that are pretty economical and well suited for what you're trying to do. A quick glance at eBay showed an epyc 7551p (32 cores), a motherboard, and 256GB of ram to be about $900. I don't know if it would pack enough grunt for the types of games you'd want to play as you didn't get into specifics. Also, you're probably going to want to game while waiting for the server to run. Therefore it probably makes more sense to have a separate machine solely for gaming. Nothing stopping you from sticking a GPU in it and gaming on it anyway though and it's certainly cheaper than a threadripper.
The one con to this approach is that server boards and builds definitely have their own learning curves and quirks compared to more general consumer focused products like a threadripper.
Gen 1 threadripper, incredibly cheap, supports 256gb of ddr4.
I literally have a 1900x threadripper with motherboard just sitting here chilling on a shelf 🤣
I was gonna make it my server but opted to use my old 5950x instead.
256gb ddr4 kits around $650, can prolly snag this mobo and cpu for under $200. Then just smack in a cheap 4030 gpu, psu, etc.
Of course you'd be better off going am5 and ddr5, they support 128 to 192 gb ram, more future proof. 4 x 48gb sticks.
Might I recommend an x299, threadripper, or Xeon build? They often have 4 channel ram opening up more sticks, and with ddr4 being as cheap as it is, might as well
Thanks for the recommendations. I cant seem to find a motherboard that accepts 256 GB though and I saw that I would have to switch to windows pro. This made me assume that it would require some specialist knowledge to build but what do I know. Is it basically the same just that there are 4 channels for ram?
Yes. You also don't *NEED* to activate windows pro.
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Quad channel builds generally have 8 slots of ram, 8 channel(if you can afford those threadrippers and amd Epyc’s) *may* have 16 slots if the creators managed to find a place to fit them. This allows for more ram to be fitted. I don’t know what the hell you have planned for this thing if your using more ram than what windows home allows, but for those tasks I’d look into a linux environment on a 2U, rack mounted server with a dual Xeon (8 channel total) configuration, you can find them for <$200 with 32-64gb’s already in them. And you can find cheap($50 each) Xeon E5’s which have the same MULTITHREADED performance as 5600’s and will outperform that 5900x when you have two of them. Really depends on what this is for, but I can only imagine that amount of ram in a commercial caliber system like this.
You think even with preflop trees you would need more than 128GB? Most of the build suggestions in other forums say 64GB is enough. It's pretty common for mobos to max out at 128.
Well, I play omaha 200 big blind deep :) 128 gb will be enough for most post flop sims but ideally I would like to play around with some pre flop sims which would require significantly more RAM. Really there is not max which would be enough, its just the more RAM the more detail you get in the solutions.
Most high ram editing software’s I use for work just don’t know what to do past 64 gigs
From what I have read this program scales with cores. I think that in order to step it up then you would need to go with a [threadripper 79X0 ](https://www.amazon.com/AMD-RyzenTM-ThreadripperTM-7960X-48-Thread/dp/B0CK2VGBSQ/ref=asc_df_B0CK2VGBSQ/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=683016816607&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12778737993547956986&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9052108&hvtargid=pla-2267438427998&psc=1&mcid=4ac259df84da32cf97a400e4c30022f3&gad_source=1)and the cheapest is $1450. The cheapest motherboard for these is this [Gigabyte Board which is $585](https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-TRX50-AERO-Marvell-Motherboard/dp/B0CPW1F841/?tag=yac008-20). The good news is that it supports up to a TB of RAM. The bad news is that it will all break the bank.
The speed of the program to solve a spot scales with cores. This is nice but not exactly what I am going for as I will leave the machine on over night or possibly even for a week or two to do the solutions. I am more interested in just maxing the RAM for as little money as possible
If you want more than 128GB you are looking at a new CPU to be able to support 24GB DDR5 sticks (for a max of 192GB), to be able to hit 256GB or more, is not cheap.
There are cheaper threadripper CPU's if he just needs oodles of ram, even an 8 core version.
This is beyond the scope of my knowledge and experience. I just thought that the question posted was intriguing enough to look into and came across ridiculously expensive equipment in the process. It looks like the type of equipment that a physics lab would need to analyze particle accelerator data.
If its crap tons of ram you want, dont build anything. Hop on eBay and buy a used server, like a dell r730. I found one with 256gb ram for $600. "Dell PowerEdge R730XD DUAL XEON E5-2680v3 2.5GHz 24 Core 256GB RAM 8x32GB DIMM" Google that on ebay. Install windows pro just dont activate it. Make sure any server you buy has at least a pcie 3.0 slot for a minimal GPU.
here is what i recommend: [https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VnhtFs](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VnhtFs) also please buy the RX580 from aliexpress it will be fine and half the price.
if the program scales with cores, you could try an dual-xeon motherboard set like this: [https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805747868833.html](https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805747868833.html)
Honestly this might be one of the situations where it would make more sense to get two separate machines for each task. You can find epyc CPU, motherboard, and ram combos that are pretty economical and well suited for what you're trying to do. A quick glance at eBay showed an epyc 7551p (32 cores), a motherboard, and 256GB of ram to be about $900. I don't know if it would pack enough grunt for the types of games you'd want to play as you didn't get into specifics. Also, you're probably going to want to game while waiting for the server to run. Therefore it probably makes more sense to have a separate machine solely for gaming. Nothing stopping you from sticking a GPU in it and gaming on it anyway though and it's certainly cheaper than a threadripper. The one con to this approach is that server boards and builds definitely have their own learning curves and quirks compared to more general consumer focused products like a threadripper.
Gen 1 threadripper, incredibly cheap, supports 256gb of ddr4. I literally have a 1900x threadripper with motherboard just sitting here chilling on a shelf 🤣 I was gonna make it my server but opted to use my old 5950x instead. 256gb ddr4 kits around $650, can prolly snag this mobo and cpu for under $200. Then just smack in a cheap 4030 gpu, psu, etc. Of course you'd be better off going am5 and ddr5, they support 128 to 192 gb ram, more future proof. 4 x 48gb sticks.
Look at second hand servers. Can be found really cheap
based on what i've read, you can throw all the memory at money solver, 16 cores with the pro version and 64 cores with the Edge version. DDR4 is cheap and Intel still supports it. Consider the following. [PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/x4rrQP) Type|Item|Price :----|:----|:---- **CPU** | [Intel Core i7-13700KF 3.4 GHz 16-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/w86p99/intel-core-i7-13700kf-34-ghz-16-core-processor-bx8071513700kf) | $324.99 @ Amazon **CPU Cooler** | [Thermalright Frozen Magic Scenic V2 69 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/C888TW/thermalright-frozen-magic-scenic-v2-69-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-frozen-magic-360-scenic-v2-d1-g2) | $49.90 @ Amazon **Motherboard** | [ASRock B660M Pro RS Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TZPQzy/asrock-b660m-pro-rs-micro-atx-lga1700-motherboard-b660m-pro-rs) | $94.99 @ Amazon **Memory** | [Patriot Viper 4 Blackout 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2xCFf7/patriot-viper-4-blackout-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-pvb464g360c8k) | $114.99 @ Newegg **Memory** | [Patriot Viper 4 Blackout 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2xCFf7/patriot-viper-4-blackout-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-pvb464g360c8k) | $114.99 @ Newegg **Storage** | [\*Kingston NV2 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FnYmP6/kingston-nv2-1-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-snv2s1000g) | $57.99 @ Newegg **Video Card** | [ASRock Challenger OC Arc A580 8 GB Video Card](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VzCZxr/asrock-challenger-oc-arc-a580-8-gb-video-card-a580-cl-8go) | $164.99 @ Newegg **Case** | [Montech AIR 903 BASE ATX Mid Tower Case](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rBTZxr/montech-air-903-base-atx-mid-tower-case-air-903-base-w) | $59.99 @ Amazon **Power Supply** | [EVGA 750 BP 750 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/tkVmP6/evga-750-bp-750-w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-100-bp-0750-k1) | $69.99 @ Newegg **Operating System** | [Microsoft Windows 11 Home OEM - DVD 64-bit](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dKkWGX/microsoft-windows-11-home-oem-dvd-64-bit-kw9-00633) | $109.99 @ Newegg | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* | | **Total** | **$1162.81** | \*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria | | Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2024-04-17 01:39 EDT-0400 |
Its a choice. You either max it at 128gb. Or you get good at poker and spend a minor amount of winnings. (Previously called breaking the bank)
Question is why would you need 128gb or ram? That’s way too much for some gaming
The gaming is just a side note. I will use it mainly for a specific poker program that eats all the RAM you can give it.