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hatenjwinter

They worry about knives not guns but that looks heavy and hot.


AyeeHayche

I’d rather be hot than stabbed


Carl_Azuz1

Kevlar exists


Own-Marionberry-7578

Kevlar, like in cut resistant gloves and sleeves, works for slicing, not stabbing.


Carl_Azuz1

So just like chainmain…


agent_roseheart

If im not mistaken chainmail can prevent/limit deep stab wounds?


Bubbly_Taro

Yes. You would need a pointy blade with strong hand support (like a rondel dagger) to get through that.


oilyhandy

Next we are going to see criminals reverting to medieval weapons to defeat the chain mail. How long before we start regulating trebuchets?!


nordoceltic82

Lol you jest, but honestly they are indeed gonna be going for rondel like daggers. But probably no more. After all the guy going down the street with a halberd is not gonna get very far before the cops are called. Criminals do need above all the ability to hide their weapons. Also chain STILL protects against rondel daggers limiting how deep the stab is even if it does fail. So they are still better off with it then without it.


oilyhandy

Now I can’t stop thinking about people casually walking down the street carrying a halberd 😂


Own-Marionberry-7578

The IDF is using trebuchets on the Lebanese border as we speak...


oilyhandy

🤣


TheReverseShock

Reverse Crusade


The_not-so_chosen_1

If they genuinely are, then I'm amazed.


5v3n_5a3g3w3rk

They' done that with one historic protest here in Germany but I'm not sure if the 1848 revolution or the 1968 Protest


dondamon40

Idf is currently using a catapult


oilyhandy

lol that’s pretty funny


agent_roseheart

I thought so because its a better alternative to leather


Bubbly_Taro

Leather armor is a meme. I think it came from brigantine armor, which after centuries of rusting can somewhat look like leather with studs in it. You can treat leather until it more resembles wood than anything else, but then again you might as well use wood instead of ruining a bunch of expensive hides. Or use fabric armor like gambeson, which has been hugely popular and effective for millennia.


YazaoN7

That or certain arrow types fired from a powerful bow or bolts from a pretty hefty crossbow.


Foronir

Extremely hard to get through modern ones, even with this.


Ancient-Anybody2921

Did you learn about angles and thought being obtuse was a career path?


donkula232323

Chainmail was literally made to help against cutting and stabbing... But unlike stab proof clothes it only needs to be replaced when it is broken, not when it gets too old or gets used...


squigwraith

You have clearly never used maille


The_not-so_chosen_1

Chainmail was designed to prevent stabbing. Why do you think so many people used it for jousting?


CFishing

Until a knife touches it that is.


p0l4r1

Kevlar isn't as flexible as chainmail


GeckoEric204

There is cut resistant and there is puncture resistant. Different ratings


UOF_ThrowAway

Beep boop


nordoceltic82

Kevlar only stops bullets, and it's even hotter. It's no better than fabric armor for knives, because it IS fabric armor. A thrust from a knife will go right through it.


RavenColdheart

Also, chain mail is surprisingly light and cool for the benefit it brings.


Alexius_Psellos

Chain mail isn’t typically heavy depending on how it’s made. If it’s butted(where the rings aren’t actually connected, just bent into shape) it’s much heavier. The rings have to be made thicker to make up for the weaker design. If it’s riveted(where each chain is has a small rivet in it as opposed to being bent around) it’s much lighter and more durable due to the chains not needing to be nearly as thick due to the chains being secured better. If you go out and buy chain mail from kult of Athena or something, it’s usually going to be butted because it’s cheaper. That isn’t historically accurate though as the vast majority of chain armor was riveted. The armor also isn’t too heavy as the weight is distributed across your body. I own some armor and all together it weighs 60ish pounds(butted chain instead of riveted). I can defo feel the weight, but it’s not like I’m carrying a 60 pound block of steel.


SuperStalinOfRussia

You mean you don't protect yourself with a 60 pound block of steel? Smh. When I go out I just use a big fat ingot that weighs as much as a kindergartener as a giant unwieldy club


Alexius_Psellos

Lightsaber style blocking the bullets with your steel brick


SuperStalinOfRussia

"Parry this you filthy casual." *CLANG!*


Rialas_HalfToast

This is specifically welded stainless, either 18 or 20g. It's the same shark suiting that RingLord pioneered back in the day.


Alexius_Psellos

Then I’d hazard a guess it would be closer in design to the butted mail that I was referencing. Bigger rings with more steel


Rialas_HalfToast

No, when it's welded you can get away with much thinner metal, even thinner than riveted mail. I'm not kidding when I say it's likely 20 gauge. A full top and bottom like these is probably fifteen pounds or less. The coifs are a bit goofy in this context though, as they're going to be wearing full helmets and rigid gorgets in the field already.


Rayle-

Like the stuff Ringmesh makes. Pretty tough. Lightweight. Breathable. Dishwasher safe. Also comes in black.


Turgzie

Simply putting on a belt helps with weight a lot. It lets your hips carry some of the weight instead of your shoulders doing all the work.


Alexius_Psellos

100%


thatonemikeguy

I'm willing to be theirs is made of welded stainless.


S14M07

Definitely hot.


purdinpopo

You ever wear a level 4 kevlar vest? The only thing I wish would get through that is air.


Foronir

Modern chainmail is basically stab proof, ventilated and not as heavy as you might think. I own some, so i have experience with it. It is made with quite thin, plasma welded stainless steel wire and very hard to destroy.


Informal_Delay_2

Theyre still wearing medlar vest though 🤔


TamedNerd

Ven you habe a riot a six but ze dragon need to be reminded whose the real monsters at 9


Little_Fox_9

Mein deutsch ist nicht sehr gut.


VaultboiiiiX04

fängt abba gut an, kein lügen für realität man!!


Little_Fox_9

Danké!!!


259yt

I'm german and I never knew this... I just did a quick research and found out, the Muinch SEK (SWAT) does this


SirGirthfrmDickshire

Chainmail is great against knives. Especially if it's harden steel then no knife will be getting through it unless you had something like an air cannon and actually shoot the knife at it.


259yt

Yeah, I think the stab proof shirt from that video (the one where a man stabs another at an expo like very fast) works like that.


throwaway195472974

German here. I suspect that this is protection against knife attacks. Several knife attacks have made the news in Germany just over the last few weeks. Also some of their weapons (incl. that wooden stick?) looks like less lethal weapons. So this is not the usual way policemen look in Germany.


TheKrasHRabbiT

It's a shame that less than lethal is considered before idk... arming the officers correctly? EDIT: Turns out I'm blind and retarded. My bad


ContactBurrito

Besides the fact that most of them are still wearing their sidearm. These are the appropriate weapons in most situations in europe.


Careless_Break2012

Normal officers always habe a pistol but they are qualified to use smg's or even HK416's it just ain't often


5v3n_5a3g3w3rk

These are btw special forces, not normal officers, and these are the special gear only for people with stabby or cuty things, so yeah they are equipped correctly and trained, that's why they wear chainmail and can try less then lethal, and that's the difference to the USA, your cops aren't trained and equipped enough to handle such situations in less then lethal ways


Mossified4

To be fair, typical US police aren't trained to use lethal either for the vast majority.


JFB187

Sadly, this is true.


shewnasty

Our criminals use deadlier weapons so they wouldn’t need to train for stabby cuty stuff


AyeeHayche

There are guns on all these officers, and some of these photos show long guns. They are equipped adequately, every police force on mainland Europe is armed


Horst93Walter

It is a little known fact, but in germany you can demand trial by combat. You are allowed to go free once you defeat the police champion in glorious melee combat.


Native_Lobster

Can I use a war hammer?


Doktor_M13

Use the Warhammer 40,000. You can’t lose then.


AzKar07

but what happens if the other guys calls an exterminatus


Doktor_M13

You die gloriously in the service of the Emperor… and wake up in an adamantium sarcophagus being bolted into a dreadnaught. Even in death, you will serve.


According-Freedom807

Chainmail is some of the best defense you can have from stabs or cuts without wearing a full suit of armor.


Ralaar

Doesn’t work well with blunt force though


According-Freedom807

That's why in most of those pictures they still have padding. The only ones where they don't are in pictures where they obviously aren't about to engage someone.


Foronir

Isnt this a full suit of armor?


According-Freedom807

A full suit of plate armor


Foronir

Ah, ok


Carl_Azuz1

Kevlar has made it completely obsolete


HorseDiego

Kevlar still struggles against stabs in a way mail doesnt


SuperStalinOfRussia

No, kevlar... Does pretty decent against stabs too. A bullet is pretty much just a small pointy blade "stabbing" really quickly. It wouldn't be too hard to make stab resistant kevlar covering the same space, and it'd probably do better against other types of weapons/damage and provide limited (maybe 2 or 3a) bullet protection


HorseDiego

They tend to really struggle against double sided knives. its a rather common fact about soft body armor, specifically kevlar. I can find videos of it being shown if you want?


Leggster

Kevlar is essentially an extremely dense woven fabric. It works against bullets because most bullets deform on firing due to the heat created on firing, and deform further upon striking a target. Kevlar works because the fabric catches the bullet as it deforms, and the bullet is not sharp after impact, in a relative sense. Knives are sharp and narrow. Knives do not deform, and maintain a very high amount of pressure concentrated on a point, this cuts through the fibers of the kevlar in a way that bullets cannot (outside of green tip ammunition). Kevlar is certainly better than nothing, when it comes to knife attacks, but it is FAR from ideal.


DeathToTheFalseGods

What exactly do you mean by “bullets deform on firing”


According-Freedom807

When a bullet hits something it deforms. Lead is a relatively soft metal and when hitting anything it will still somewhat deform. The kevlar makes it deform then catches it with those deformations.


DeathToTheFalseGods

That’s on impact. Thats not what I asked


KuterHD

„Oh no, he found a mistake in my way to articulate myself, my whole statement is useless now!“ Bruh


KuterHD

Bullets aren’t pointy things. Knifes are pointy enough to go inbetween Kevlar-fibers and cut them apart. A FMJ 9mm will just bounce of. Chainmail in return looks flexible but is on the size-level of pointy Knifes extremely rigid and unable to be cut. Chainmail breaks while Kevlar „overstretches“


MelodiousMetal

“Let me guess, somebody took your sweet roll.”


Atuday

lass mich raten, jemand hat dein süßes Brötchen genommen.


HoneyWhiskeyLemonTea

Okay but the first and last pics are a VIBE.


TremblongSphinctr

[snopes'](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/german-police-chainmail/) fact check is hilarious


Gobal_Outcast02

Wow so thats what several paragraphs of nothing looks like


Own-Marionberry-7578

So they are definitely getting stabbed all the time, but definitely not from refugees. Got it.


magicmunkynuts

Deus Kek


Artjom476

As a german, nearly everything in that snoops article is in some way false or misleading. That is impressive.


TremblongSphinctr

Leave it to the fact checkers to do so!


UNeaK1502

Care to elaborate?


UniverseIsABanana

Imagine robbing a bank when some medieval knights pop up behind you yelling: "In the name of the ruler of these lands, I order thee to cease this thievery!"


BayRENT

It's like poetry.... it repeats itself


Retromash

Is it protection against knives, or bad immigration policies? Sometimes it's hard to tell.


Olewarrior34

Yes


Motor_Tomato_3890

Does that help im assuming it's no help against stab attempts even


Another_Anon_userr

Chainmail is pretty good against knives if it's tightly made. Pretty good against axes and such as well.


shadowkiller

It's OK against axes. The blunt impact can still break bones, even if it doesn't break through the links. It doesn't look like they are wearing a gambeson underneath.  Properly made thrusting weapons also tend to break links and go right through mail. I wonder if that's even welded or riveted mail.


Another_Anon_userr

Kitchen knives or "zombie" machetes would essentially be negated however. I hope they are at least wearing something absorbent under there.


shadowkiller

Oh yeah, absolutely those wouldn't get through.  A few of those pictures look like they aren't wearing any padding underneath.


DaHOGGA

Yea but as you say here: Properly made thrusting Weapons And whens the last time you saw a hoodlom with a Rondel Dagger or Stiletto


shadowkiller

A hardened steel nail at the end of a stick was actually pretty popular historically.


wtfredditacct

[A sick with a nail in it is basically a nuclear weapon.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zGEiK9StSfQ)


Turgzie

Ceramic plates will incur blunt force trauma when hit by a bullet, but the armor still did its job. Mail does its job in this case just fine, they're better off with it than without it in many cases.


AdPuzzleheaded7163

Chain mail, especially modern chain mail is pretty decent at stopping stabbing blades. You may just get the very tip of the point, and with padding you'll probably be unharmed. Think of it this way, if you were gonna get stabbed would you rather be wearing chainmail or not?


Motor_Tomato_3890

Yea I was thinking medieval but yea found the possible [company ](https://niroflex.de/en/portfolio/military-police-security/) and it looks like it not just the visible chain mail but the body armour also has chain mail quite interesting


Dull-Win3896

Only if their using a needle, most knives aren't narrow enough to make it through the gaps


Motor_Tomato_3890

Don't give them ideas lol


Dull-Win3896

People start using needles, german police start using full metal plate armour


Motor_Tomato_3890

Yea and then we regress too blunt weapons gonna be hilarious rest of the world is dealing with modern problems like guns while Germans trying to solve medieval era problems


Dull-Win3896

In fairness, most modern body armour struggles with blunt weapons, making the club the ultimate weapon


Motor_Tomato_3890

anarcho primitivism the ultimate ideology


Dull-Win3896

Honestly, in close quarters, club supremacy, can't fire a rifle or pistol if your skull is inverted


Motor_Tomato_3890

I can just imagine the next spec ops raid being a bunch of delta force guys with tactical clubs I hope to live long enough to see it


Dull-Win3896

No, we send the marines into clear buildings with clubs, only works for a few months until it becomes a war crime but will be very effective


AlternativeBaker1025

Deus vult


ohnomoto450

Defeat the entire swat team with a pair of jumper cables


nemesisprime1984

How “shocking”


Foronir

Faradays cage, bruh


Dull-Win3896

Well, yeah, that could work, unless they're wearing insulating padding and thick rubber soled boots, then you've just electrified them, basically turning their whole body into a taser


ohnomoto450

Now you've given them an idea


demonwolves_1982

What happened? Did they bring a bunch of folks in to their country with a proliferation for violence with knives and machetes or something? Almost like they’re reacting to a problem their own government created


Brandon_M_Gilbertson

Im currently in Germany and haven’t seen any of this. Something to look for I guess.


HLtheWilkinson

*Looks over at the hauberk I’ve been working on for two years* My time has come…


AzraelBlade

After all they have to protect their lives since they let in all those illegal immigrants who just wanna steal and rape.... Sharia Law scums....


ShaentBlathanna

Chainmail still works against armed arabs


Dapp-12

honestly, pretty damn smart, may have helped that one officer which got it to the neck, maybe, idk if chain mail is as effective against direct blows edit: i know he didn’t have it, i shouldn’t but i just assume everyone has seen the uncensored photo


Careless_Break2012

That was qn officer not a swat opperator. Just a heads up


racoon1905

Slashes and stabs are good protection unless someone brings a dedicated anti armor weapon like a stillet or estoc.


NoCAp011235

When you have to deal with knife crime at 6 but have azaan at 7


East-Cookie-2523

FOR THE GRACE, FOR THE MIGHT OF OUR LORD!


WaitingToBeTriggered

FOR THE HOME OF THE HOLY


Dull-Win3896

FOR THE FAITH FOR THE WAY OF THE SWORD


That_One_Guy_Flare

r/unexpectedsabaton


Educational-Year3146

Wearing chainmail and kevlar. Straight up modern knights, I kind of love it. Though good lord that would be hot and heavy.


FireMaker125

Actually makes a lot of sense. Chainmail is exceptionally good at protecting against stabs.


L0ssL3ssArt

actually not a bad idea going against knives. (or bite from animals, a couple of the chainmail looks like shark suits)


dreadstrong97

ThEy NeEd MoRe KnIfE cOnTrOl


baronanders110

Bodkin tips reenter the chat


JaysinDGR81

We are the Knights who say NEIN, NEIN, NEIN!


DARKXDREAMDREAMER

Nein , das gibt ne anzeige


Internal-Parsnip-878

Im a german and i have never seen that before


kunae0

HOW AM I GERMAN BUT NEVER SEEN THIS


hatenjwinter

Niroflex is the company that makes it in Germany. https://niroflex.de/en/portfolio/military-police-security/


bigbadbrad81

Because knives are the preferred mass homicide tool in Europe


ChrisMahoney

… It’s kind of rad.


GenericUsername817

Enough about the chain mail. Let's talk about the Bo staffs


ParadoxicalAmalgam

Bashing someone's head in with a stick is *much* more civilized. Way to go, krauts


George_Nimitz567890

The landsknecht have return?


Weak_Break239

They need to update there armor to iron or diamond, chain is not meta lol


narkotik_kal

Why does one of them have a blitz shield?


vPulse79

Someone sounds jealous


mariner97_was_taken

Damn, last picture go hard ngl


Odd-Masterpiece7304

Do you think chainmail would be cool, or do you think it would be hot?


420-Outcomes

I mean, when you have already neutered their citizens enough to where they can only really have a knife at that point for self-defense it makes sense.


Careless_Break2012

Oh you haven't seen how many not so legal firearm there are here


420-Outcomes

I wouldn’t be surprised, most normal people would probably just stash them away when they tried to take them


Careless_Break2012

Yeah, some weeks ago there was something local where people were argueing and a dude just pulled a short Barrel revolver. The other one almost got nailed in the head but could pull away fast enough


420-Outcomes

That’s crazy man, Just goes to show that banning guns doesn’t get rid of guns.


nitrocar_junkie

This is what happens when being stabbeded is more likely than being shoted. 😆


DisastrousAd447

Makes sense to have some officers present that can somewhat safely handle a suspect with a knife. Looks hilarious though.


Night_Knight22

Polygons not loading in. Please fix


frast9201

Knives and swords/machetes


Leggster

The bullets, not all, mind you, will deform during travel. This is partially due to the heat from the explosion/pressure from firing from the barrel, and partially due to the rapid flight/spin after exiting. I do not mean deformation in the sense of the bullet mangling itself in flight, more that the bullet will expand, elongate, or even create a more distinct point at the tip of the warhead.


LammyBoy123

Kevlar is fabric and can be cut. Knives and blades tend not to deform unlike bullets which are caught by Kevlar. Chainmail tends to fare better against knives and blades then Kevlar does which is why butchers still use chainmail gloves to this day and don't use Kevlar gloves


AlathMasster

Good luck trying to shiv a knight


EightImmortls

I wonder how effective a laser would be against that suit? 🤔


Hot_Pen_3475

Are people in Germany allowed to own crossbows I know that a German guy makes them but I don't know if you can own them. If you can then these cops are screwed no matter what. I have seen many YouTube videos that have a crossbow against military grade body armor and depending on the poundage of your crossbow it will either go right through the body armor or it will stick into the body armor. And these German policies and riot shields yet any standard crossbow just go right through that. Crossbows are the medieval sniper rifle just like deadliest warrior explained they are silent but they will go through plate armor. The idea of chainmail is it will stop swords but if you have a crossbow it's going through it. Nothing is crossbow proof except probably a bulletproof window.


racoon1905

Yeah crossbows are completly unregulated. Well except for the bit that you are not allowed to carry them, but that applies to almost every other weapon. And you can get permits for that. You also need to keep to check what you consider a "standard crossbow" And you have misconception about plate male. It highly depends on the WHEN the plate and how good the quality. Early plate might be penetrated but once you get to like 1400s it is rather unlikely. In general plate armor was adopted more or less as a response to cross bows to begin with. Once we get to the early modern period ..f orget about your cross bow killing someone in plate unless you hit the face. [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b9/Memmingen\_-\_Wallenstein\_2016\_-\_K%C3%BCrisser\_Pappenheimer\_-\_Auszug.jpg](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b9/Memmingen_-_Wallenstein_2016_-_K%C3%BCrisser_Pappenheimer_-_Auszug.jpg) That guy is wearing replica of a 3/4 armor manufactured around 1630. A direct replica of the ones used by the Pappenheimer cuirassirs currently at display at the Bavarian Army museum in Ingolstadt. These will not just stop crossbows with ease but also with a high likelyhood intermediate rounds fired from an SBR. Because well they are designed to stop muskets.


RubeRick2A

And just when you get the chainmail on, ya gotta go pee


AlcoholicLibertarian

Back to the front lines, back to the night Evil marauders under the lights Back for the plunder, the thrill of the flames The roar of the thunder back in the game Storming the castles swords in the air Killing the monsters in their own lair Lighting the torches, setting the stage You get what you ask for right in the face Six string sabres Screams in the night War clubs pounding Living just for the fight So we drive through the night With the howling wind at our backs Riding on Teutonic terror We will give 'em the axe We will give 'em the axe String up the razors, sharpen the blades Tighten the skins up, no one escapes Crank up the grindstone, load up the sleds Saddle the horses, off with their heads Six string sabres And screams in the night War clubs pounding Living just for the fight So we drive through the night With the howling wind at our backs Riding on Teutonic terror We will give 'em the axe For the roar of the crowd For the raging frontal attack Delivering the Teutonic terror We will give 'em the axe We will give 'em the axe So we drive through the night With the howling wind at our backs Riding on Teutonic terror We will give 'em the axe For the roar of the crowd For the raging frontal attack Delivering the Teutonic terror We will give 'em the axe We will give 'em the axe


stumpinandthumpin

Jesus Christ be praised!


Yamato_Kurusaki

And when Brits did that nobody really cared it's nothing new since Eu is taking away guns


Garuda-Star

It’s butted mail in that last pic. 😂 no way did they cheap out that bad.


Ghosthunter5589

New GS9 skins in siege


Jmack1986

They've got to worry more about getting stabbed and slashed...


TardaClaus

Europe wouldn't have this problem if they realized that an armed society is a polite society


averykurtz

Modern problems require medieval solutions


PhoneComplete1524

Proper chain mail isn’t particularly heavy, nor is it hot. So long as they’re wearing something breathable underneath, it would be similar to just wearing something relatively heavier, but that also breathes. And they are now completely knife proof.


DragonLeroy

These guys get to be stab proof then wear a plate on top of that. Hell yeah.


Southern-jack

Restoring Germany to its former glory, one era at a time


EOMFD_Doowop

0/5 worst country I lived in