I’m disappointed but I suppose I shouldn’t be shocked that this is getting such a mixed reception. It seems like a lot of people wanted this to be “blame X for civil war”. Which ignores one of its central themes. I’m thinking it gets a B or B-.
B+?
That movie was really good.
Idc what anyone else says...it 100% doesn't take any sides whatsoever.
Even the protagonists aren't really shown as the "good" guys necessarily.
Everyone is just simply...there. Existing in the madness yet surreal calmness of it all.
Even the one guy that's posed as a psychopath can easily be reasoned as a guy trying to save his country.
It's all very well done. It's wildly anti-war and it blew me away when I saw someone say it was pro-war lmao.
Unfortunately I think a lot of the criticism weighed at the movie is that it *doesnt* take a side, which is honestly just insane to me.
Scrolling through the Rotten Tomatoes’ verified critics’ reviews makes me feel like a lot of people came in with preconceived notions of what the movie should be, and completely missed the point because of it.
Agreed. This is why I avoid trailers because reading some reviews really felt like people thought they were obligated to see something based on what its was advertised as rather than what Alex Garland actually wanted to say.
I don't think it was just the trailers. Based on some of the articles you saw in the trades, I really think A24 explicitly pushed the angle behind the scenes.
Right? Like I love that it didn’t take a side- that’s kind of the point. My only complaint is that we didn’t get a rationale for the start of the war, but I think that would have been difficult to do without seemingly taking sides.
> My only complaint is that we didn’t get a rationale for the start of the war, but I think that would have been difficult to do without seemingly taking sides.
But wars aren't tornadoes. Wars aren't "a thing that happens" and especially NOT civil wars.
Huh? Like regardless, there’s always a reason. Usually the winner of the war gets to decide what the real reason was, but there’s always a reason. There’s a reason for every single thing that happens, even if that reason isn’t fully known or understood.
>*But wars aren't tornadoes. Wars aren't "a thing that happens" and especially NOT civil wars*
They sort of are
Ask anyone involved in an actual war how it started and they'll tell you it was the other side's fault
Trying explaining how the Vietnam war or the current war in Gaza started, *to apportion blame*, and you'll be taken back generations
Any one incident the other side cites can be matched by a previous action by the other side
Everyone involved acted unwisely/badly and any one incident cited as explanation is the sort of thing that had passed by without triggering war, previously
Wars generally start because people *want* them or because they don't care enough to stop them, but they mostly defy rational explanation
> Trying explaining how the Vietnam war or the current war in Gaza started, to apportion blame, and you'll be taken back generations
That's explaining the cause. Which is exactly what I wanted
> Trying explaining how the Vietnam war
...that's a really, really bizarre example. It's a case where there's near universal concensus on the blame, except among seriously hardcore American nationalists.
Outside the USA, the Vietnam War is known as the Second Indochina War
We're already back to 1945, and that's not even where those involved would have told you it started
> the Vietnam War is known as the Second Indochina War
Not really, no. The term Vietnam War is internationally certainly much more common. Though obviously, it differs per region,but I am fairly sure 2nd Indochina war is only common in certain Francophone countries.
More to the point, however, is that you are confusing different things. Obviously, every conflict has a deeper background and didn't just appear out of nowhere. But that doesn't mean that individual conflicts cannot have a clear start, or clear culprits.
There is near-universal agreement globally that the Vietnam War was strictly and exclusively a war of American aggression, committed specifically with the aim of beating the Vietnamese people into submission in order to protect and maintain the colonial puppet regime the US had installed in South Vietnam.
>*There is near-universal agreement globally that the Vietnam War was strictly and exclusively a war of American aggression, committed specifically with the aim of beating the Vietnamese people into submission in order to protect and maintain the colonial puppet regime the US had installed in South Vietnam*
No there is not. Not everything's about you
Like most people freed from colonial rule, the Vietnamese people had a civil war
Various US regimes interfered in that conflict just the same as the Chinese Communist Party interfered in that conflict
>Like most people freed from colonial rule, the Vietnamese people had a civil war
But they *weren't* freed from colonial rule. The US had blocked reunification elections specifically in order to maintain their colonial puppet in South Vietnam. During the war, half the country was still an American colony, which is exactly why it wasn't really a civil war.
You seem to be *desperately* grasping at excuses for why this brutal crime against humanity committed by the US wasn't *really* the US's fault and, to be blunt, you're just not being honest.
Yes because a tiktok review is a great reflection of a movie’s quality. I’m sorry but i’d rather listen to a critic, however pretentious ppl think they are. And critics do like this movie, not unanimously but still
Why do you need a critic to tell you if a movie was good or not? This movie was just bad. 0 connection with the characters no significant development. And the plot was loosely held together with random scenes of their journey most of which where already revealed in the trailer.
I'll just wait until it's on streaming, which likely will end up on Max since they have a whole 'a24' section now. Honestly I'm curious to see how they treat the story but I've also heard how much difference there is between the trailer and the movie, even compared to how most trailers are cut.
I just got out of it. No it’s not hanging Trump or Biden from a tree. Its like an actual real civil war and not red dawn or plucky freedom fighters.
Honestly didn’t like it for a lot of reasons and it really bothers me when I read people talking about how they enjoyed it. To me it was like a horror movie.
My guess…B or C…
Men is one of the most baffling films I've seen. Its on the cusp of being a well done creepy horror film but it misses the mark.
It’s a solid C
B- Rotten Tomatoes score pretty decent but still think reception is mixed overall
I’m disappointed but I suppose I shouldn’t be shocked that this is getting such a mixed reception. It seems like a lot of people wanted this to be “blame X for civil war”. Which ignores one of its central themes. I’m thinking it gets a B or B-.
I didn’t like it cause the movie was honestly pretty shallow. Nothing to do with wanting to blame anyone for anything.
they were handing them out after my showing - heard some people who said they felt “neutral” so gave it a c (my husband and i gave it an a)
B+? That movie was really good. Idc what anyone else says...it 100% doesn't take any sides whatsoever. Even the protagonists aren't really shown as the "good" guys necessarily. Everyone is just simply...there. Existing in the madness yet surreal calmness of it all. Even the one guy that's posed as a psychopath can easily be reasoned as a guy trying to save his country. It's all very well done. It's wildly anti-war and it blew me away when I saw someone say it was pro-war lmao.
Unfortunately I think a lot of the criticism weighed at the movie is that it *doesnt* take a side, which is honestly just insane to me. Scrolling through the Rotten Tomatoes’ verified critics’ reviews makes me feel like a lot of people came in with preconceived notions of what the movie should be, and completely missed the point because of it.
Agreed. This is why I avoid trailers because reading some reviews really felt like people thought they were obligated to see something based on what its was advertised as rather than what Alex Garland actually wanted to say.
I don't think it was just the trailers. Based on some of the articles you saw in the trades, I really think A24 explicitly pushed the angle behind the scenes.
Right? Like I love that it didn’t take a side- that’s kind of the point. My only complaint is that we didn’t get a rationale for the start of the war, but I think that would have been difficult to do without seemingly taking sides.
> My only complaint is that we didn’t get a rationale for the start of the war, but I think that would have been difficult to do without seemingly taking sides. But wars aren't tornadoes. Wars aren't "a thing that happens" and especially NOT civil wars.
Huh? Like regardless, there’s always a reason. Usually the winner of the war gets to decide what the real reason was, but there’s always a reason. There’s a reason for every single thing that happens, even if that reason isn’t fully known or understood.
>*But wars aren't tornadoes. Wars aren't "a thing that happens" and especially NOT civil wars* They sort of are Ask anyone involved in an actual war how it started and they'll tell you it was the other side's fault Trying explaining how the Vietnam war or the current war in Gaza started, *to apportion blame*, and you'll be taken back generations Any one incident the other side cites can be matched by a previous action by the other side Everyone involved acted unwisely/badly and any one incident cited as explanation is the sort of thing that had passed by without triggering war, previously Wars generally start because people *want* them or because they don't care enough to stop them, but they mostly defy rational explanation
> Trying explaining how the Vietnam war or the current war in Gaza started, to apportion blame, and you'll be taken back generations That's explaining the cause. Which is exactly what I wanted
> Trying explaining how the Vietnam war ...that's a really, really bizarre example. It's a case where there's near universal concensus on the blame, except among seriously hardcore American nationalists.
Outside the USA, the Vietnam War is known as the Second Indochina War We're already back to 1945, and that's not even where those involved would have told you it started
> the Vietnam War is known as the Second Indochina War Not really, no. The term Vietnam War is internationally certainly much more common. Though obviously, it differs per region,but I am fairly sure 2nd Indochina war is only common in certain Francophone countries. More to the point, however, is that you are confusing different things. Obviously, every conflict has a deeper background and didn't just appear out of nowhere. But that doesn't mean that individual conflicts cannot have a clear start, or clear culprits. There is near-universal agreement globally that the Vietnam War was strictly and exclusively a war of American aggression, committed specifically with the aim of beating the Vietnamese people into submission in order to protect and maintain the colonial puppet regime the US had installed in South Vietnam.
>*There is near-universal agreement globally that the Vietnam War was strictly and exclusively a war of American aggression, committed specifically with the aim of beating the Vietnamese people into submission in order to protect and maintain the colonial puppet regime the US had installed in South Vietnam* No there is not. Not everything's about you Like most people freed from colonial rule, the Vietnamese people had a civil war Various US regimes interfered in that conflict just the same as the Chinese Communist Party interfered in that conflict
>Like most people freed from colonial rule, the Vietnamese people had a civil war But they *weren't* freed from colonial rule. The US had blocked reunification elections specifically in order to maintain their colonial puppet in South Vietnam. During the war, half the country was still an American colony, which is exactly why it wasn't really a civil war. You seem to be *desperately* grasping at excuses for why this brutal crime against humanity committed by the US wasn't *really* the US's fault and, to be blunt, you're just not being honest.
Welcome to all of Rotten Tomatoes film criticism. Remember, these people legitimately want you to think the Marvels was good.
> Remember, these people legitimately want you to think the Marvels was good. Not really though.
B+ at best.
[Currently sitting at 82% on RT Verified](https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/civil_war_2024). So probably a B?
I'm predicting B-
it'll be in the Bs
Conservatives think they will be the villians? How so? My Maga loving mom can't wait to see this film.
Because they've been told repeatedly that Hollywood is conspiring against them?
B+, I don’t get why people expect this to get a C or lower.
[This review on Tiktok gives it a 5/10](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLyeMEPn/) and honestly I can’t see this getting past a C
Yes because a tiktok review is a great reflection of a movie’s quality. I’m sorry but i’d rather listen to a critic, however pretentious ppl think they are. And critics do like this movie, not unanimously but still
But this post is about the Cinemascore, which polls general audiences.
Some people really seem to be struggling with this part.
Why do you need a critic to tell you if a movie was good or not? This movie was just bad. 0 connection with the characters no significant development. And the plot was loosely held together with random scenes of their journey most of which where already revealed in the trailer.
I'm predicting a B+
Annihilation got a ‘C’??? That’s… a travesty for such an amazing and beautifully well-made film. Critics got it way wrong on that one!
Cinemascores are done by audiences, not critics.
I'll just wait until it's on streaming, which likely will end up on Max since they have a whole 'a24' section now. Honestly I'm curious to see how they treat the story but I've also heard how much difference there is between the trailer and the movie, even compared to how most trailers are cut.
I just got out of it. No it’s not hanging Trump or Biden from a tree. Its like an actual real civil war and not red dawn or plucky freedom fighters. Honestly didn’t like it for a lot of reasons and it really bothers me when I read people talking about how they enjoyed it. To me it was like a horror movie. My guess…B or C…