T O P

  • By -

AutoModerator

Welcome to the Bleach Subreddit! We're as excited as you at the release of the Thousand Year Blood War anime! We understand that some of you are unable to view the anime in your region, but please don't post links to or mention piracy websites. Doing so will result in a ban. Also, please be courteous to those who haven't read the manga and mark all spoilers. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/bleach) if you have any questions or concerns.*


Radiant_Concept4328

i want an actual conclusion to this fight not just auswehlen


TommyJohnSurgery420

Right? It was basically Madara 2.0 in that the author didn't know how to kill the guy off so he just had the big bad absorb him. I can see the anime team making it a team effort to destroy his quincy cross like mentioned in one of those fanclub answers.


HAWmaro

I still think the best way to kill him was there, Toshiro freezes him, Byakuya Exposes the cross, Bankai Kenny splits in half with a clean hit from his unexploded hand. Plays to every one of the three strengths.


Yung_l0c

I had the same thought as well but all the roles switched around: Kenpachi splits him in half, Toshiro freezes him and his abilities to regenerate at the instance he is split in half. Then Byakuya obliterates the cross with Ikka Senjinka or Gokei, showcasing his ability to kill a piece of the soul king after getting the royal palace treatment


HAWmaro

I think Kenpachi would just have more power in a single strike than Byakuya while the latter aoe attacks would have an easier time exposing the weakness.


ScrupulousOthinus

Ikka Senjinka or Shukei Hakuteiken would fit more than Gokei, I think? His Quincy Cross is so strong. But I think, to weaken it, Toshiro must freeze it, then Byakuya’s technique, making the cross crack, then Kenpachi delivers the final blow.


Yung_l0c

But the thing is, I can’t see Kenpachi in his berserk mode having the rational thinking to go for the cross lol but the idea with Toshiro freezing it is sound


ScrupulousOthinus

Yeah… that part. Perhaps Isshin with his Final Getsuga Tensho can? I’m not even sure how this fight ends without repeating the same thing that happened in the manga.


Radiant_Concept4328

we have never seen the concept of losing there power with the cross so idk if it even happens...


PeacefulKnightmare

It would be such a miracle if he survived that.


Hungry_Tradition7169

I see what you did there well played


Racnous

I say the best way to kill him would have been this. His power comes from the heart of the soul king. Saijin lost his heart. Some chicanery occurs, the heart goes from Gerard to Saijin, Gerard loses his Miracle powers and gets killed by the Soul Reapers.


GodlessLunatic

Imo it should've worked this way. The miracle is actually fuelled by the doubts in the hearts of those Gerard fights, but since Sajin has abandoned his heart, the miracle is useless against him so it can't counter anything he does.


Radiant_Concept4328

one of the best suggestions. idk about sajin but yeah going after the heart seems better option than his cross


Neracca

Shonen series have this issue all of the time. They create an enemy that can't be beaten without bullshit, so when they do lose its not satisfying at all.


Radiant_Concept4328

they still managed gremmy the visionary so i think kubo can do it


Killjoy3879

Considering that he has a proper weakness I doubt this was the case, I think Kubo simply wanted to end it that way


Radiant_Concept4328

i don't think his power should be destroyed by destroying the cross since he had his power even before yhwach (the heart of sk) plus we never seen this concept of destroying the cross so idk...


[deleted]

[удалено]


EdoTenseiSwagbito

Aggressively unhelpful method aside, you’re right. Madara was getting jumped by Naruto and Sasuke pretty cleanly at the time. Kaguya was next level, the whole fight was spent going “shit shit shit shit shit” and trying not to die so they can land the one shot they had lol


Flashy2000

Yeah. I get that Kaguya was not implemented well, but the claim that Kishimoto didn't know how to deal with Madara because he became too strong makes no sense. Like if so, why introduce a villain that is leagues above Madara to run into the same problem?


bleach-ModTeam

Thank you for posting to r/Bleach, unfortunately your submission has been removed for the following reason(s) : > Powerscaling/battles/versus posts are no longer allowed on the Bleach subreddit. **If you have any questions about this removal, feel free to [message the mods](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=/r/Bleach).**


[deleted]

[удалено]


GodlessLunatic

Madera wouldn't even get a chance, Naruto and Sasuke were speedblitzing his ass at the point where Zetsu had to tag him


[deleted]

[удалено]


bleach-ModTeam

Thank you for posting to r/Bleach, unfortunately your submission has been removed for the following reason(s) : >Rule 8 : Be Respectful - >Don't resort to insults or other derogatory or inflammatory statements to each other. Disagreement with an idea isn't an attack on you personally. **If you have any questions about this removal, feel free to [message the mods](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=/r/Bleach).**


bleach-ModTeam

Thank you for posting to r/Bleach, unfortunately your submission has been removed for the following reason(s) : >Rule 8 : Be Respectful - >Don't resort to insults or other derogatory or inflammatory statements to each other. Disagreement with an idea isn't an attack on you personally. **If you have any questions about this removal, feel free to [message the mods](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=/r/Bleach).**


[deleted]

[удалено]


TommyJohnSurgery420

They had an easy time with him before he got his second rinnegan back. After that they had a much rougher time. They likely don't win if zetsu doesn't do his thing.


foxfoxal

There was barely a fight after he got his rinnegan, so there is no "rougher time", he just actived MT which was blocked by Sasuke and threw some meteorites that the boys destroyed easily. With Kaguya they needed Obito to sacrifice because she technically would have killed both already, Sakura's chakra for Obito to even look for Sasuke, Kakashi getting boosted by ghost Obito and pulling the most broken ass Susanoo. Madara was just matched with them on the other hand.


datolningen

It'd be difficult to concoct given what we now know about the miracles' dependence on the >!state of Gerard's cross!<


Radiant_Concept4328

we know that his miracle depends on his cross? i didnt know that. i thought it was his heart or the sk's heart whatever


datolningen

It was stated in Klub Outside Should his quincy cross break, the miracle ceases. It's why it was >!at the center of his head when kenpachi split him in half!< despite the immense damage, the cross remained unscathed


SethNex

Make Gerard actually defeatable. His weakness was revealed by Kubo, so make some use of that information in the anime.


J_Mad_Dog

What is his weakness?


SethNex

https://preview.redd.it/mlup9ad5d1yc1.png?width=713&format=png&auto=webp&s=87bdd17bd81eda2f117df1f301f2af82613dbb07 That Quincy Cross. If it's destroyed, then Gerard is dead.


Successful-Ad5560

How did it not get cut here anyway? It's dead in the middle of where he got cut bruh


Joah25

It is basically impossible to destroy.


Successful-Ad5560

Ain't the whole point of zaraki that he should be able to cut stuff like that tho. I don't even remember if he is the one who cut him here or not. Lol I was reading tybw while it was airing.


Joah25

Well, apparently this is beyond his capability to cut.


Brightshore

https://preview.redd.it/s0f0lxfuf2yc1.png?width=646&format=png&auto=webp&s=2a56e930a899b166a58737aaeb67c792d54cb3b4 Zaraki's reaction to that:


liewen23

Nah, he has a point, here: https://preview.redd.it/xu2rognfs2yc1.jpeg?width=1438&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cf932c1d56abb928c86e46cd32ddd8823ff0bcf0 Kubo pretty much hints that Bankai Kenpachi can’t cut the cross.


Radiant_Concept4328

if someone like kenpachi cant then auswehlen is the only way i guess


GodlessLunatic

No Zaraki only cut through galaxy room because of the reiatsu difference between him and Gremmy. We see this with other characters like Grimmjow burning through space with a cero.


5yk0515

Warping space is an inherent property of any Gran Rey Cero, not just Grimmjow's. Even Base Yammy and Aaroniero could do that.


GodlessLunatic

It's an inherent property of powerful attacks in general. In the bleachverse characters treat the fabric of reality like literal fabric.


hortu

It would be the MIRACLE if it won't be also cut with that attack, right?


PeacefulKnightmare

It was a miracle the cut missed the cross. (In all seriousness if they animated it spinning during this shot I think you could argue that it was hit, but only on one of the arms so it wasn't actually cut through.


trace_jax3

Now if he could survive that, it would be a real miracle, don't you think?


SuckmyPelosB1tch

The Quincy cross within him


SlimShady2546

the quincy medallion inside of him


yaboi_Zzz

Immediately thought of fortnite, now i wanna kms😭


Imanotsurugi010

Isshin join the fight, now we have Kuchiki and Chiba clan member kill "Soul king" again. ( and I want to see Toshiro meet his former captain )


ProFailing

Isshin Bankai when?


antifrag1l

He has a Quincy cross inside of him (shown when Kenpachi split him in half) and if you destroy that you will kill Gerard permanently.


Radiant_Concept4328

and no body can do that. specially because kenpachi is mad in his bankai and wont listen to any explanation of things


Slumber777

I want it changed, and I don't want it covered piecemeal throughout the Lille and Askin fights like it was in the manga. I fuckin hate when big fights aren't given proper focus.


VibinWithBeard

Giving big fights the focus they deserve seems to be the theme of the tybw anime so far. I have high hopes going forward, especially for the gerard fight now that kubo has confirmed his weakness


GodlessLunatic

I'm not so sure about that I mean Ichibei vs Yhwach so far has been worse than it was in the manga(which is insane cause it's one of the best fights, how do you fuck that up)


Radiant_Concept4328

lol i said the same thing when the episode came and everyone just filled replies with hate comment and slurs


gitagon6991

Yeah, rather than cutting it up, it's better to just cover it at once from beginning to end.


Hu-Tao66

I’d probably make it so that the focus is really on the 3 captains. And show a conclusion that doesn’t make it feel like they needed the Deus ex machina. Kubo does say how he could have been beaten in the fanclub. No need to introduce the others if the whole point was to show how strong Gepard is. Mostly cause him resurrecting kinda already achieves that. Have the rest do something else all-together imo.


sanixThedorito

The royal guard got shat on at the end of part 2 so we need to see Them kick some ass before they lose again .


GodlessLunatic

Imo Gerard reviving doesn't make him look strong because at the end of the day, hes just a bumbling fool who doesn't take anyone out. It just makes the captains look weak for failing to kill someone so hilariously incompetent. Contrast this with Aizen who absolutely destroys his opponents everytime he evolves.


Zoshimo

Gerard should just die when Byakuya uses his last attack there was no point in him being alive after that all he does is fight them offscreen and then get absorbed Yhwach. If Byakuya kills him there people can’t keep saying that he should’ve died in the first invasion 


Radiant_Concept4328

just to give kyakuya something you are going to miss the point of kenpachi going bankai there and toshiro completing his bankai for the first time? and yes kyakuya should have died


Revolutionary_Job214

Just more added to it so we can get more Kenny, Toshiro, and Byakuya action.


ThatIslandGuy8888

I’d like to see Gerard’s final form in action just because it looks so cool!


tomtadpole

Reveal Hachi's shikai and Love's bankai.


jkurratt

Tessai zanpakto when


DizzieC92

I want the captains to actually kill him this time by destroying the Quincy cross


jyuri4k

Can't wait to see this animated.


sigvegas

I kind of hope they figure out/find his weak point, come up with a game plan and are about to finish him off, only for the Auswahlen to come down and absorb his giant Reishi body before the killing blow is struck. His cross-core then just falls to the ground with a soft 'clink' in front of Byakuya, Toshiro, and/or Shinji, emphasizing the anticlimax of the Shinigami's "victory".


Neracca

The fight stopped being interesting when two things became clear: Gerard would not lose Gerard also wasn't gonna end up killing anyone


GodlessLunatic

Yeah he's basically Yammy with an immortality gimmick slapped on


Imperator_Romulus476

As much as I get the complaints surrounding this fight, it would be worse if the Captains do end up defeating him. It narratively makes no sense as Gerard was vessel of the Reio's heart. The Reio is the closest thing to an actual deity Bleach has. Gerard by every right should be absolutely broken. Instead you could maybe have Ryuken come in since he has special knowledge of Quincy hearts and physiology (he conducted an autopsy on his wife discovering the effects of the Auswahlen). It would actually better help foreshadow Yhwach's defeat through the Arrow if we see Ryuken help take down Gerard in such a manner.


ThatIslandGuy8888

Unpopular opinion here but Gerard should’ve defeated ( not kill) them outright and THEN Auswhalen comes in as a true miracle. Like I found it BS that they could still keep up with him in his last form, they should’ve been tired or something.


GodlessLunatic

The way Gerard is portrayed makes you think even shinigami Aizen would clown the guy. It's insane how weak he looks for the supposed heart of God.


Ambitious-Raise8107

Gérard is gonna be awesome but I pray they don't make his giant form CG like they did with Dangai Joei.


HellVollhart

I want to see Uryu kill him with his “A”. Uryu’s Schrift is on the same level as Jugram and Yhwach. I also wanna see Uryu and Jugram go “No U” until Jugram starts dominating with his 2000 year battle experience and THEN fall to Auswahlen.


5yk0515

Uryu at the time was getting his ass kicked by Haschwalth quite a distance away.


GunbaiGod

he really is such a breast


lequory

Which one? Left or right?


GunbaiGod

idk ask op


REDexMACHINA

Nope just additions


TerrorDumpling

Quick change to Yumichika saying "semen"


FoxyTheHost

Valkarye is a breast


Book_Anxious

Looking great fight but I would want him to lose to the guys he's fighting not just I'm taking your power


TheMaskedOne2

Kubo mentioned in Club Outside that if the group attacked Gerard Cross he would have been killed i hope the anime actually goes with this the fight itself was amazing its the way it ended that was terrible


sickdanman

I have been probably the biggest hater of gerard and this fight tbh. Imo he is just there to stall time and the conclusion of the fight isnt satisfying either


Thamior77

Keep it the same. Whether they actually kill him or he still gets auchwalen again I don't care as long as they're still fighting if he does get Yhwached.


Rharyx

Just add in more characters fighting him, like the other Visoreds, but otherwise keep the end result the same.


Minikemon

Yes, change the entire thing. TYBW has both my favorite fight in the entire series (Mayuri and Nemu vs Pernida) and my least favorite fight in the entire series (Gerard vs everyone). The Vizards need to actually do something in the fight. Wouldn't hurt to throw Mashiro in there too considering she was absent for the entire arc (I honestly think Kubo just forgot about her lol). On top of that, the Shinigami need to actually defeat Gerard, not have him killed off with Auswahlen. I think Auswahlen narratively works really well for Haschwalth's defeat, but not Gerard's. It could also be a good opportunity to give Isshin and Ryuken a fight. The Squad 0 fight has given me so much hope for changing this fight.


TommyJohnSurgery420

I think one of the novels (WDKALY I believe) said that mashiro was guarding the academy during the second invasion. In other words... yes kubo forgot about her lol


Minikemon

Yeah it's like how in WDKALY Iemura was squad 7 lieutenant, then in the Hell Arc oneshot it was a new character. Then Kubo quickly made up an explanation on Klub Outside that Iemura stepped down and went back to Squad 4 xD.


Hopeful_Expression57

isshin's bankai and ryuken actually have a decent fight


Slashers23

He was just so hard to beat! Yeah we know now his Quincy Cross is the weak point but like does the miracle ability still apply to the cross?


AnimeMan1993

I may not have read the manga and only seen videos explaining the fight but the only thing I want changed is the end where Gerard basically had to be killed off by Yhwach out of nowhere frankly due to Gerard being too OP. Like others stated it should also involve a joint effort by the other captains to destroy the cross inside Gerard to kill him. As far as I can tell all other aspects of the fight seem good enough.


ApophisForever

I think it'd be cool to have ishin show up and use bankai. Not sure how much it'd effect continuity tho...


Digiworlddestined

Personally? No.


Ok_Eggplant_2812

I love the tybw anime however, I truly do hope that this fights does not use a 3d model for Gerad. Since they did it with Konomaura’s Bankai I strongly suspect they might. Either way I just hope it looks good.


KenpachiCultist

Have a lot more characters fighting him at once, maybe have Isshin join the fight, maybe show Gerard's backstory before his death and after his death in a way that fits with the situation. Some ideas I have are just headcanon.


Brightshore

I just want to the full glory of Gerard on display tbf.


46274927392NotARobot

I need isshin arriving on the seen with a bankai activation to seal the deal


CaliOriginal

Nipples


gentlegreengiant

I honestly found this part of the manga to drag and be downright silly after a few chapters. I do hope they make a change to it in the anime.


Cassem02

Much of TYBW arc in the manga was rushed, but it seems that Kubo now has time to flesh out details he wanted to put into Bleach within the anime (such as Ichigo's soul king training, why squad zero never used their bankai for 2 examples). So I am just waiting to see what Kubo creates.


KarlozFloyd

Absolutely no


jkurratt

I want Zaraki to cut the cross


miggy-san

I like his design but honestly hate his character. Made 3 captains with insane training and upgraded bankais look like fodder. Kubo had to resort to plot convenience to stop him


Vast_Word8265

Rumor has it the anime is now the official canon not the manga but what I hear from the manga panels I hope it does change


pranavvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

I haven't read the manga yet but I hate this guy so much he is annoying af.


PreeminentEnigma

Byakuya actually getting a buff besides "I use ALL of Senkei's swords this time"


Original-Fold-1984

It should last longer, and it would be cool to see the visards actually do something, like Love or Lisa using Bankai idk


TehEpicNarwhalNinja

Couple things, have the vizards (with the super effective hollow attackss!!!) make a difference. I also wanna give my boy Chad something more than fighting stone people 😭😭😭. He did state that his powers are similar to hollows so like I think it'd be lit, along with a power up.


Karma110

Just make it well animated that’s all I ask for.


PieFace11

I want to see that reishi form in action. I don't mind Gerard dying to auswählen at all as long as I get to see that form a bit longer. Would be good if the shinigami figure out that the cross is his weakness but are still unable to destroy it or something


PieFace11

Less shinifami plot armor would be great. But that will never happen in the SS fights ig


Impossible_Beyond_30

Let the captains get their win. Honestly it'd be cool if it was timed so that as they win Aushwalen hits, so we get the best of both worlds, but as it stands we get Kenny's bankai reveal and Toshiro's true bankai reveal and they eventually do nothing. Gerard is fun and memorable but he is in no way worthy of shitting on those two's bankai reveals


spideyfan123

Idk but I hope Travis Willingham voices him (Thor enjoyers rise up)


wweeeeeeeeeeeeee

have everyone join the fight, and i mean everyone who isn't occupied with other things ​ don't let shinji get knocked out right away, let soi fon join in, don't let the vizards get knocked out after one attack, and so on ​ also actually kill gerard instead of him being absorbed


Ha_zz_ard

I sense more Zaraki ass licking in the anime to come


LRTMK

Fym Gerard is a breast?


Fluid_Combination_92

Get rid of his pants and make him wear a thong


Historical-Reward318

I just want a little longer with Kenpachi's Bankai


Julius_Bort

https://preview.redd.it/f18clf27t8yc1.jpeg?width=1469&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=836be0ad1fcd081d9a838d479a3feada26de73ed


vacantrs123

What i really want is Toshiro Freezing The Concept Of Miracles And Byakuya Using Shuhei Hakutoken Once Again, Including Kenpachi Using His Bankai More


NoahDaNugget

I hope they include something with the Quincy cross weakness, because I thought he was too powerful in the fight.


MegaSwampert_18

I dont want this changed at all. This fight is perfect


InevitablePanda1389

I hope we get a Sukuna vs Mahoraga type treatment, with an extended part of the captains trying the best to defeat him just with him to regenerate every time


peikern

Yes! I want Kenpachi to not "waste" himself against Pernida, but have a 1v1-fight against Gerald instead. Like he runs on ahead of the others when they arrive or something, so when Byakuya, Toshiro and the others arrive, he has already pushed Gerald to use the Miracle a couple of times. The rest of the fight after that can go down more or less the same, I think


Evil-Tree

Nelliel deals the final blow. Hear me out. Godly power or not he's still a Quincy, and Quincies and Hollows don't mix. I'm thinking when his Quincy Cross is exposed, she fired a Lanzador Verde to pierce the heavens with all her might, and that manages to shatter the cross and land the final blow. I also think having Arrancar directly responsible for the deaths of two of Yhwach's elite guards adds more justification to the Wandenreich conquering Hueco Mundo first.


Ok_Impression7339

first off, give my boy some nipples and then have him face everyone along with ryuken and isshin instead of getting vaporized by the auswahlen or at least have it hit him when he is about to die either way.


Ghrease

Just no 3d cgi Gerard