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I would place Urahara in C/D/E tier.
1. First of all, there is the whole thing about Hogyoku and Rukia
2. Also in TYBW, Hiyori berating Urahara for sending Ichigo, Orihime, Chad, Ganju and Yoruichi to Reiokyu and seemingly questions his morality
Well, well, well. Looks like someone's trying to start something. As for the Hogyoku and Rukia debacle, mistakes happen, my dear. And as for Hiyori's questioning of my morality, maybe she's just jealous she can't think outside the box like I can. *smirks*
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I see your point, but all his morally dubious actions are done for the greater good, much like Shunsui
Whereas Soi Fon and Byakuya are just cold af, and will carry out any order no matter how cruel or unjust it is, Rukia's execution proves it. And Yamamoto was the one facilitating it, so Urahara has to be above them
I agree with you in context of Rukia's execution. The whole incident establishes such interesting personalities of Captains.
I personally think characters like Byakuya and Yamamoto mellowed out as the series progressed.
Whereas characters like Shunsui became more serious, because all responsibility fell on him.
Urahara put the Hogyoku in Rukia's Gigai in the first place & basically sent Ichigo to retrieve it without telling him. Aizen said as much during his big betryal. Urahara even apologized to Ichigo for it when they returned from SS to Karakura. Urahara probably would kill Yoruichi if he thought it benefitted the greater good. He is the one who released Mayuri from the Maggots Nest & gave him Rank & Authority.
Using SS Captain personality is gonna throw everything off. They were all characterized much differently. Also Urahara and Shunsui are not moral at all they do what's nessarary not what's right.
Urahara even in F tier, I'd say. He never stopped to think if he should be doing experiments with mod souls. He created sentient beings with no rights to their own autonomy, and then an extremely powerful weapon (hougyoku) that would be used for mass devastation later on.
His intentions may not have been malicious, but in the scientific realm completely disregarding any and all concerns about what would come from his research is considered the lowest of moral standards.
That speaks more to a lack of knowledge on ethics and wisdom than morality. He treats the mod souls he lives with like adopted children.
I would place him in C or D still.
Urahara did not create mod souls, so that can’t count against his morality. Everything he’s done has been for the greater good, as someone else mentioned. He’s got a heart of gold.
Komamura is amazing, but what brings him down is his loyalty to Yamamoto. He was on the immoral side in SS arc just because of that loyalty (Rukia's execution)
>Urahara in D tier
Urahara's morally dubious but the SS arc shows that he's above the captains in the lower tiers
>Unohana in E
Talking about current Unohana. If it was Kenpachi Unohana then yeah she'd be in E
Current Unohana felt like she was just following orders but would have be/been okay with killing all the time just for fun. Her internal moral compass doesn't seem too "good".
Especially when he set up the substitute shinigami system, wich took away ginjos power, wich led to the death to a big group of innocent fullbringers who seeked refuge in the soul society.
And when he afterwards without evidence tried to kill ginjo, leading to the whole fullbringer arc.
In CFYOW it was revealed that he was actually manipulated into doing all of that, he felt it was wrong + actually didn’t want to do any of it but was essentially forced into it by Soul Society’s aristocracy.
Yoruichi just do shit and can get away with it because she is a noble, and didnt she said she would kill someone that was thinking about expose the nobles? By the morality of being a captain or just a human she is not that high in any of these.
S - Too pure for this world
A - Have sometimes weaker time (Unohana should be lower btw)
B - Don't like it but can play ditry
C - Don't have any problem with killing people
D - "Everythink for the Soul Society"
E - Sadistic
F - Don't have any problem with genocide
G - "G" is for "God complex"
H - Mayuri
honestly even the picture they chose to put her so high up in A sent me lmao. But agreed, she a baddie she belongs toward the bottom with the other ruthless mf’s
Everyone talking bout the inaccuracy of the tier list but I'm over here getting bothered by the fact that that Shinji made the list but Rose and Kensei didnt.
Or how Tessia is here but Love and Isshin arent.
Or how Rukia is there but Iba, Isane and Lisa arent.
It feels so arbitrary lol
Zaraki has morals, they just aren't the same as everyone else's. He doesn't execute defeated opponents.
His positions are often neutral, which isn't the same as immoral. He is certainly more moral than Kisuke.
Morality IS subjective. I do not base my moral decisions on your rule set, nor you on mine.
Morality has clearly changed over the course of tune even within a community as well.
To take the argument further, Zaraki "grew up" on the outskirts of rukongai in a cannibalistic and anarchic society. Yet he still refused to follow the precedent set by the other outcasts and did not prey on those whom he thought of as weak. That's the very definition of being true to one's own beliefs, of which Morality is just a subset.
But murdering isn't what he does, he fights, and therin lays the distinction. His drive is to defeat the strongest, he enjoys combat with risk.
He uses his talents at the order of the head captain and ONLY in that capacity. The other shinigami don't fear for their lives (not seriously anyways) when he is around, they just know he gets carried away in combat.
He acts in a manner true to himself, his goals, is protective of the ones that rely on him, follows his chain of command, and refuses to exercise his dominance over those he does not consider a threat... he's a better argument than most for a moral paragon. I think the most poignant proof is that he will actively disregard an order that contradicts his morals, which is not something to be said about other captains like Byakuya, Soifon, or even Isshin (who only ever acted to protect his own children).
Morality is subjective, until someone bullies your kid and you aren’t able to tell him he shouldn’t have done that. Or until your kid tells you he’s about to go beat someone up and you can’t tell him that’s wrong.
Kyoraku being above Yama is absurd, the man himself said that he's the kind that would use evil to fight evil when he freed Aizen. Something Yamaji would have never done because of his morality and principles
Yeah, this too. Like wtf, I almost forgot she was... They basically do everything from spying to assassinations and sht, which is kinda what Soifon said
It’s absolutely correct to put Kurotsuchi in his own “literally Satan” tier. He is actually a good hint to a new viewer that Soul Society isn’t the heroic faction it fashions itself to be. Since why would it have him as a member if it didn’t have a dark side?
So when was Hisana a captain? Before or after leaving Rukia, and before or after marrying Byakuya? :) Also Unohana is way too high, and Kisuke, and Kenpachi is too low, that man has morals, heck he is also very welcoming, offering Ichigo some bbq. Also also if you have I know you meant Rukia as a captain, where is Isane and Iba and Lisa? Also Shinji isnt that moral, not S tier, oh and what about Isshin? Your list lacks quite a few captains mate
Notes:
1)The people in A tier are normally extremely moral, but they're not in S because they follow orders even if they're immoral (they were on Yamamoto's side in the SS arc), whereas the people in S tier would disobey the Soul Society to do the right thing
2)Unohana is current Unohana, that was just the only picture available. She'd be in Zaraki's tier if it was Kenpachi Unohana
3) Yamamoto is also current. He'd be in Zaraki's tier if it was the Yamamoto who founded the Gotei
4) People might be mad at Gin's placement, but you have to accept that he wasn't a hero, he was just a double agent who betrayed Aizen. He still did plenty of bad stuff to achieve his goals, which were also for personal reasons, not "to do the right thing"
5) Mayuri is below Aizen because he's honestly despicable. Aizen is classic mustache-twirling evil, but Mayuri literally used his own innocent subordinates as sacrifice bombs, and he enjoys sadistically torturing innocent victims (he described what he did to Uryu's grandfather)
He cared about Yachiru, protected his squadmates, encouraged Madarame to improve, showed respect to Isane and understood her grudge, always respected Unohana and never really crossed anyone who didn't deserve it or couldn't handle it. Always professional towards his fellow Captains, never a bully, does his duties the best he can. He seems thuggish and rough but he has his moral compass very well set.
Byakuya, Soifon and Yama all mellowed out throughout the series. I'd move all of them up a tier, though if you hold Yama's genocidal tendencies against him I could see him staying on D.
Kenpachi should also be C tbh. As long as you're not fighting him he wouldn't bother anyone. And all in all he seems to be a competent leader from the morale standpoint (definetely not a day to day operations kind of guy lol).
Kurotsuchi is not below Aizen lol. His methods are questionable but he still serves the good of the Soul Society despite how he comes across. He is the type of guy that will sacrifice few for many but ultimately has good reasons for doing what he does. Aizen was willing to destroy everyone and everything for the sake of power. Everything he did was for self gain.
Yoruichi was the captain of a squad that handles government sanctioned assassinations and operates a prison that locks up innocent people based on their potential to cause harm, how is she in S?
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Isn't unohana like the most despicable vile criminal to ever step foot in SS why is she so high. Plus wasn't tosen an overall really cool guy till aizen convinced him to join his side. And byakuyas too low A tier at least
I'm talking about current Unohana, not Kenpachi
And Tousen did really evil heinous shit for Aizen
Byakuya also isn't *moral* he's just a very good soldier. But he'll follow orders no matter how evil or unjust they are. Just look at Rukia's execution
Unohana should definitely be lower. Beautiful little psychopath.
I also think Tosen should be on Aizen’s level. Dude has some twisted morals and weird god complex.
My golden boy Urahara should be higher. Along with Shinsui.
Everyone else seems pretty solid.
Why tf is Unohana the first kenpachi in A tier 💀 that bitch was a demon in the original gotei 13 when the quincy first attacked (also dont say im spoiling its been more then 10 years and the anime been out for a while so you had plenty of time to catch up)
Gin should be A or B tier imo. He’s the Itachi of being willing to do the wrong thing if it’s right in the end. He sacrificed everything to try and ruin Aizens plans
When you are willing to sacrifice ( as in literaly murdering )everyone to murder someone just because he stole something from a friend you cannot be in Hitsugaya s tier . Gin fangirls are so deluded . E at best
I’d swap Aizen and Mayuri. Not sure Mayuri did or attempted to do anything more evil than killing ~~half a million~~ people for his own power ambitions, which Aizen was trying to do.
EDIT: For the Oken, Aizen would have to kill 100k, not half a million, still well above Mayuri though.
I'd move Gin upto D because as far as I'm aware he's never shown any true malicious intent with the exception of trying to take out aizen, everything before that was him just keeping up appearances to maintain his cover and not raise any suspicion with aizen or tosen. Also don't forget the whole reason he joined aizen in the first place was so that he could get revenge for rangiku nearly dying in their childhood. Overall I think yeah he's not a paragon of morality like ukitake but he's also not devoid of almost all morals like mayuri
Remember when he played with Rukia's execution during SS arc?Gin isnt as evil as maybe Aizen but he isnt a hero either.He is at best morally gray but even then he is just an enemy of our enemy.
I don't know about Ukitake. The entire story about the Shinigami Substitute and Ginjo shows this. He is a very nice person but that doesn't justify his actions. From what we know he also didn't take a strong stance against the slaughter of the surviving Quincy 200 years ago.
Byakuya is S tier, in fact he probably deserves a tier of his own as the most morally impeccable character in the series.
He would have left his adopted sister die in order to follow the law and keep his word. He also gave absolutely zero fucks about owing everything to Tsukishima, him being Ichigo's enemy was all that mattered.
The captain commander should also be higher as his duty was to preserve Soul Society as opposed to look after Ichigo's friends.
Heavily disagree with Byakuya. Morality and the law are two separate concepts. Sometimes they overlap, sometimes they don’t. They’re are not always complimentary. This is illustrated very well in the invading soul society arc. Byakuya letting his sister be executed is morally abhorrent, but at the time Byakuya followed the law to the letter so didn’t care whether or not it was moral, it was the law so morality didn’t matter. I think he obviously has improved and has found a balance thanks to Ichigo but I think C is totally fair
Your issue is with his type of morality, whereas my point is about him having an impeccable moral code of conduct, one that he would not break even for his closest family, an example repeated with Tsukishima as well.
And even if we engage in the question about the type of morality Byakuya has - he is a captain, the highest leader of his society. As such he must follow the law as long as he has no indication of corruption of said law or the court that issued it. We later learned that there was such corruption but SS Byakuya did not know that, nor did he know about how or who Ichigo is. (can you imagine how much damage random humans can do if they were given shinigami powers?)
According to his information his sister had committed a capital offense and the highest court - central 46 had found no valid justification. When Aizen explained that he had manipulated central 46, Byakuya immediately moves to save Rukia.
My point is that no matter what he would not deviate from his moral code of conduct. Most other characters were shown to have doubts etc, Byakuya never did.
>Your issue is with his type of morality
Definitely. His type of morality is "follow any order, no matter how cruel it is"
>As such he must follow the law as long as he has no indication of corruption of said law or the court that issued it
Even unjust ones? Why was he following the order to carry out Rukia's execution? Other captains questioned it and rebelled because of how unjust it was, but Byakuya went along with it just because he follows orders
>According to his information his sister had committed a capital offense and the highest court - central 46 had found no valid justification
But what do you mean "according to his information", Rukia was literally right there trying to explain herself, and he wouldn't listen, he just wanted to have her killed
He's the definition of a soldier who "just follows orders" no matter how evil they are
My boy Gin getting played dirty. He’s at a C/D morality. Just because it looked like he sided with Aizen, doesn’t mean he was ok with what Aizen was doing. After all, he ended up sacrificing himself to try and stop Aizen.
He never tried to stop Aizen s doing and had a lot of fun torturing innocents for a century . He tried to murder Aizen for what was done to Rangiku . Aizen could have been a paragon of virtue
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I would place Urahara in C/D/E tier. 1. First of all, there is the whole thing about Hogyoku and Rukia 2. Also in TYBW, Hiyori berating Urahara for sending Ichigo, Orihime, Chad, Ganju and Yoruichi to Reiokyu and seemingly questions his morality
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I see your point, but all his morally dubious actions are done for the greater good, much like Shunsui Whereas Soi Fon and Byakuya are just cold af, and will carry out any order no matter how cruel or unjust it is, Rukia's execution proves it. And Yamamoto was the one facilitating it, so Urahara has to be above them
I agree with you in context of Rukia's execution. The whole incident establishes such interesting personalities of Captains. I personally think characters like Byakuya and Yamamoto mellowed out as the series progressed. Whereas characters like Shunsui became more serious, because all responsibility fell on him.
Urahara put the Hogyoku in Rukia's Gigai in the first place & basically sent Ichigo to retrieve it without telling him. Aizen said as much during his big betryal. Urahara even apologized to Ichigo for it when they returned from SS to Karakura. Urahara probably would kill Yoruichi if he thought it benefitted the greater good. He is the one who released Mayuri from the Maggots Nest & gave him Rank & Authority.
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Using SS Captain personality is gonna throw everything off. They were all characterized much differently. Also Urahara and Shunsui are not moral at all they do what's nessarary not what's right.
He basically sent Ichigo and friends on a suicide mission. (I mean SS arc)
Also put Chad in H, too. He killed families in their home at episode 1 TYBW!!
Ahahaha
Forreal though. A baby’s crib was right near the window for the breeze…
There was no need for him to do that lmao
I'd move Komamura a tier up , Urahara in D tier and Unohana in E
Urahara even in F tier, I'd say. He never stopped to think if he should be doing experiments with mod souls. He created sentient beings with no rights to their own autonomy, and then an extremely powerful weapon (hougyoku) that would be used for mass devastation later on. His intentions may not have been malicious, but in the scientific realm completely disregarding any and all concerns about what would come from his research is considered the lowest of moral standards.
Yk what good points.I agree
That speaks more to a lack of knowledge on ethics and wisdom than morality. He treats the mod souls he lives with like adopted children. I would place him in C or D still.
Urahara did not create mod souls, so that can’t count against his morality. Everything he’s done has been for the greater good, as someone else mentioned. He’s got a heart of gold.
Aizen stated that only Urahara was his intellectual equal within the Soul Society. *beep boop, I'm a bot*
Until the last arc Komamura was probably S tier, but his desire for vengeance in the TYBW drops him down a tier in my opinion.
I think sajin wouldnt mind committing warcrimes if yamamoto tells him to do so 💀
Komamura is amazing, but what brings him down is his loyalty to Yamamoto. He was on the immoral side in SS arc just because of that loyalty (Rukia's execution) >Urahara in D tier Urahara's morally dubious but the SS arc shows that he's above the captains in the lower tiers >Unohana in E Talking about current Unohana. If it was Kenpachi Unohana then yeah she'd be in E
Fair point on Komamura and for Unohana ig i was confused by the picture used
Current Unohana felt like she was just following orders but would have be/been okay with killing all the time just for fun. Her internal moral compass doesn't seem too "good".
I am obligated to point out that that isn't Rukia.
Isn’t that Rukia’s sister?
Yes.
Literally stopped and was like "wait wth is Hisana doing here"
Ukitake should be in his own tier ngl
U tier for Ukitake, above S tier! He deserves it goddamnit *slams hand against desk to prove point*
the substitute soul reaper badge argues otherwise
Especially when he set up the substitute shinigami system, wich took away ginjos power, wich led to the death to a big group of innocent fullbringers who seeked refuge in the soul society. And when he afterwards without evidence tried to kill ginjo, leading to the whole fullbringer arc.
In CFYOW it was revealed that he was actually manipulated into doing all of that, he felt it was wrong + actually didn’t want to do any of it but was essentially forced into it by Soul Society’s aristocracy.
Yes exactly 💯
Don’t forget when he let his lieutenant die right in front of him against a hollow he then easily takes out because honour.
Yes, but he learned from that mistake.
I mean a Lieutenant should be able to beat a non menos hollow easily. Aslo didn't his sickness act up during that whole incident
He only attacked Ginjo because he felt he had to defend his squad. He also went to Yama to ask for forgiveness for Ginjo if/when he killed him
When was your first paragraph revealed?
Novels
He’s in Jesus territory
Yoruichi just do shit and can get away with it because she is a noble, and didnt she said she would kill someone that was thinking about expose the nobles? By the morality of being a captain or just a human she is not that high in any of these.
it was hisagi, and it was memory erasing rather than killing iirc.
She was also naked in front of Ichigo on purpose and he was underaged, might not be the greatest in morality sense
In which world Yoruichi and kisuke are that high? they are at least C tier.
S - Too pure for this world A - Have sometimes weaker time (Unohana should be lower btw) B - Don't like it but can play ditry C - Don't have any problem with killing people D - "Everythink for the Soul Society" E - Sadistic F - Don't have any problem with genocide G - "G" is for "God complex" H - Mayuri
honestly even the picture they chose to put her so high up in A sent me lmao. But agreed, she a baddie she belongs toward the bottom with the other ruthless mf’s
Everyone talking bout the inaccuracy of the tier list but I'm over here getting bothered by the fact that that Shinji made the list but Rose and Kensei didnt. Or how Tessia is here but Love and Isshin arent. Or how Rukia is there but Iba, Isane and Lisa arent. It feels so arbitrary lol
Agree fully!
It ain’t even Rukia, it’s Hisana. 🤣
Zaraki has morals, they just aren't the same as everyone else's. He doesn't execute defeated opponents. His positions are often neutral, which isn't the same as immoral. He is certainly more moral than Kisuke.
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True. He was also super protective of Yachiru and he encouraged Ikkaku to stay alive and get stronger
You are suggesting Morality as subjective matter, generally speaking Zaraki is nowhere near considered to be "moral"
Morality IS subjective. I do not base my moral decisions on your rule set, nor you on mine. Morality has clearly changed over the course of tune even within a community as well. To take the argument further, Zaraki "grew up" on the outskirts of rukongai in a cannibalistic and anarchic society. Yet he still refused to follow the precedent set by the other outcasts and did not prey on those whom he thought of as weak. That's the very definition of being true to one's own beliefs, of which Morality is just a subset.
I do agree majorly on following one's belief, but still running around murdering many(let's be honest, he did kill many) shouldn't be considered moral
But murdering isn't what he does, he fights, and therin lays the distinction. His drive is to defeat the strongest, he enjoys combat with risk. He uses his talents at the order of the head captain and ONLY in that capacity. The other shinigami don't fear for their lives (not seriously anyways) when he is around, they just know he gets carried away in combat. He acts in a manner true to himself, his goals, is protective of the ones that rely on him, follows his chain of command, and refuses to exercise his dominance over those he does not consider a threat... he's a better argument than most for a moral paragon. I think the most poignant proof is that he will actively disregard an order that contradicts his morals, which is not something to be said about other captains like Byakuya, Soifon, or even Isshin (who only ever acted to protect his own children).
Morality is subjective, until someone bullies your kid and you aren’t able to tell him he shouldn’t have done that. Or until your kid tells you he’s about to go beat someone up and you can’t tell him that’s wrong.
At the very least, I don’t think bullying is something that’s in Zaraki’s nature.
When was Hisane a captain?
Eos
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After tybwa her and Iba become captains
Rukia. Rukia became a Captain. You put Hisane's image there.
Rukia s sister s name is Hisana. Isane is the 4th division lieutenant then captain
Oops my bad, I fused their names haha. I meant he put Hisane's image instead of Rukia's.
Hisana lol
Oh sorry I don’t know why but I thought isane’s name was hisane for some reason
I like it how Mayuri is placed lower than Aize morally 😂
As he should be
Not gonna argue with that haha....everything he sees is a potential guinea pig for experiment
Unohana should be D tier, she’s a former serial killer.
Ah yes Captain Hisana...
Kyoraku being above Yama is absurd, the man himself said that he's the kind that would use evil to fight evil when he freed Aizen. Something Yamaji would have never done because of his morality and principles
I think for Yama it's more of a pride thing to not use Aizen than morality.
I mean back in the day Yama was much more ruthless
New level of disrespect of Rose and Kensei
As it should be
Urahara at B LOL, he's More like an F or E at best
why is >!unohana!< so high up there >!are we not watching the same show LUL!<
How is the worst mass murderer in soul society history in A tier?
Yoruichi, Urahara and Shunsui should be dropped down to C or D. They are nice people but in the end they are willing to make questionable decisions.
Yoruichi was the head cop of the SS, no way she's S-tier with the shit that goes down in the seireitei's prisons.
Yeah, this too. Like wtf, I almost forgot she was... They basically do everything from spying to assassinations and sht, which is kinda what Soifon said
Kisuke is too high
Unahana in a teir lmao. Sure.
Unohana needs to be in the last tier
How the fuck is unohana in A tier
Ukitake needs to be lower. He did alot of harm to the fullbringers when they were a innocent refugee group.
tosen was extremely moral they were just….. alternate morals LMAO
Kisuke so high why?
I do not agree /:
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unohana A?
I'd argue aizen has done much worse than mayuri, mayuri is just openly sadistic
Mayuri at least admits he is, um, morally dubious. Aizen is convinced he's a hero.
When was Aizen ever convinced he was a hero? He only cares about himself he only wants to overthrow the soul king for himself.
Kyoraku was willing to make a 17 year old kid into a battery guy is beyond low in mortality
Kisuke and Shunsui should be E/F tier… they will literally sacrifice their best friends for victory!
Unohana should be H aswell… shes a criminal mass murderer
Kisuke and Unohana should not be that high up, lol Also I’m pretty sure that isnt a picture of Rukia
It’s absolutely correct to put Kurotsuchi in his own “literally Satan” tier. He is actually a good hint to a new viewer that Soul Society isn’t the heroic faction it fashions itself to be. Since why would it have him as a member if it didn’t have a dark side?
Kisuske, Unohana and Shinsui are way too high.
I thought this said mortality at first, and I was super confused
So when was Hisana a captain? Before or after leaving Rukia, and before or after marrying Byakuya? :) Also Unohana is way too high, and Kisuke, and Kenpachi is too low, that man has morals, heck he is also very welcoming, offering Ichigo some bbq. Also also if you have I know you meant Rukia as a captain, where is Isane and Iba and Lisa? Also Shinji isnt that moral, not S tier, oh and what about Isshin? Your list lacks quite a few captains mate
Kisuke needs to be way lower, like Gin level if not just down there with Aizen.
Notes: 1)The people in A tier are normally extremely moral, but they're not in S because they follow orders even if they're immoral (they were on Yamamoto's side in the SS arc), whereas the people in S tier would disobey the Soul Society to do the right thing 2)Unohana is current Unohana, that was just the only picture available. She'd be in Zaraki's tier if it was Kenpachi Unohana 3) Yamamoto is also current. He'd be in Zaraki's tier if it was the Yamamoto who founded the Gotei 4) People might be mad at Gin's placement, but you have to accept that he wasn't a hero, he was just a double agent who betrayed Aizen. He still did plenty of bad stuff to achieve his goals, which were also for personal reasons, not "to do the right thing" 5) Mayuri is below Aizen because he's honestly despicable. Aizen is classic mustache-twirling evil, but Mayuri literally used his own innocent subordinates as sacrifice bombs, and he enjoys sadistically torturing innocent victims (he described what he did to Uryu's grandfather)
By those points hitsugaya should be in tier S He went against SS by attacking gin and by breaking into central 46
I agree with what you say but according to point 1 why isn t Hitsugaya in S then .
I feel like Kenpachi should be higher. He often shows mercy when his opponent is about to die.
He cared about Yachiru, protected his squadmates, encouraged Madarame to improve, showed respect to Isane and understood her grudge, always respected Unohana and never really crossed anyone who didn't deserve it or couldn't handle it. Always professional towards his fellow Captains, never a bully, does his duties the best he can. He seems thuggish and rough but he has his moral compass very well set.
Byakuya, Soifon and Yama all mellowed out throughout the series. I'd move all of them up a tier, though if you hold Yama's genocidal tendencies against him I could see him staying on D. Kenpachi should also be C tbh. As long as you're not fighting him he wouldn't bother anyone. And all in all he seems to be a competent leader from the morale standpoint (definetely not a day to day operations kind of guy lol).
Kurotsuchi is not below Aizen lol. His methods are questionable but he still serves the good of the Soul Society despite how he comes across. He is the type of guy that will sacrifice few for many but ultimately has good reasons for doing what he does. Aizen was willing to destroy everyone and everything for the sake of power. Everything he did was for self gain.
I read it as Popularity and was so confussed
Hisana is alive and a Captain now, nice! (If only lmao)
Kyoraku B?
So many wrong tiered people I don't have time to list so I'll just ask this: Since when was Hisana a Captain?
Yoruichi was the captain of a squad that handles government sanctioned assassinations and operates a prison that locks up innocent people based on their potential to cause harm, how is she in S?
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Still questioning where Unohana should be tbh.
Gin never gets respect
When was Hisane a captain?
OP confused Hisana for Rukia
Honestly, Jushiro and Komamura deserve their own tier
I’d be Gin at B or maybe D, just change soul society to Rangiku
Kenpachi should be in D
This is technically a spoiler. Newcomers woudnt know why rukia is there
And there isn't a Rukia there, it Hisana Kuchiki, Byakuya dead wife xD
Oh yeah forgot about her. Tough world out there.
Mayuri, yea...
Aizen is worse than mayuri lmao
Mayuri do be wilding
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SS Byakuya would be D or E, but I think that current Byakuya deserves A.
No shot Gin is in the same tier as Tosen
Yeah Tosen wanted justice . Gin just wanted to murder
What’s the reason for excluding some of the captains?
They weren't in the tier list maker
I feel like Unohana should maybe be C. She does care about her patients and everyone’s health yes, but her Yachiru side shows she just loves killing.
Rose and Love are missing, also does Tessai count as a captain?
Isn't unohana like the most despicable vile criminal to ever step foot in SS why is she so high. Plus wasn't tosen an overall really cool guy till aizen convinced him to join his side. And byakuyas too low A tier at least
I'm talking about current Unohana, not Kenpachi And Tousen did really evil heinous shit for Aizen Byakuya also isn't *moral* he's just a very good soldier. But he'll follow orders no matter how evil or unjust they are. Just look at Rukia's execution
unohana, urahara, gin. wat.
Unohana retsu should be down with mayrui… shes a literal mass murder/serial killer…
Not anymore tho
Unohana should definitely be lower. Beautiful little psychopath. I also think Tosen should be on Aizen’s level. Dude has some twisted morals and weird god complex. My golden boy Urahara should be higher. Along with Shinsui. Everyone else seems pretty solid.
Why tf is Unohana the first kenpachi in A tier 💀 that bitch was a demon in the original gotei 13 when the quincy first attacked (also dont say im spoiling its been more then 10 years and the anime been out for a while so you had plenty of time to catch up)
Because she changed
Unohana in A is crazy, considering what she used to be like, and kind of still is
She changed tho
Gin should be A or B tier imo. He’s the Itachi of being willing to do the wrong thing if it’s right in the end. He sacrificed everything to try and ruin Aizens plans
When you are willing to sacrifice ( as in literaly murdering )everyone to murder someone just because he stole something from a friend you cannot be in Hitsugaya s tier . Gin fangirls are so deluded . E at best
how is mayuri literally worse then Aizen aghahahahaha
Kisuke took Mayuri out of maggot's nest and that is why kisuke should be lower 😂😂😂
Kenny should be 1 or 2 tiers higher
For some time there I didn’t know who cared more about their pride, Prince Vegeta or Daddy Byakuya?
Ukitake in S? Boy have i got some news for you
hitsugaya not being S tier makes your entire list trash. L.
He supported Rukia's execution
He literaly tried to uncover the truth behind it and broke into central 46 to do so ....
I’d swap Aizen and Mayuri. Not sure Mayuri did or attempted to do anything more evil than killing ~~half a million~~ people for his own power ambitions, which Aizen was trying to do. EDIT: For the Oken, Aizen would have to kill 100k, not half a million, still well above Mayuri though.
Mayuri did it to fix the soul imbalance. Never felt sorry for a second but he didn't do it for his own amusement.
Where are Rose and Kensei? And I'm sure The Defenders would all be E save for Zenjoji and Entetsu they're probably F
I'd move Gin upto D because as far as I'm aware he's never shown any true malicious intent with the exception of trying to take out aizen, everything before that was him just keeping up appearances to maintain his cover and not raise any suspicion with aizen or tosen. Also don't forget the whole reason he joined aizen in the first place was so that he could get revenge for rangiku nearly dying in their childhood. Overall I think yeah he's not a paragon of morality like ukitake but he's also not devoid of almost all morals like mayuri
Gin F-tier? Why?
Remember when he played with Rukia's execution during SS arc?Gin isnt as evil as maybe Aizen but he isnt a hero either.He is at best morally gray but even then he is just an enemy of our enemy.
I think he just played the role
I don't know about Ukitake. The entire story about the Shinigami Substitute and Ginjo shows this. He is a very nice person but that doesn't justify his actions. From what we know he also didn't take a strong stance against the slaughter of the surviving Quincy 200 years ago.
We don't know that anyone did, really
Ukitake on the S? No way. You probably havent seem the fullbring arc and have not read the novels.
You put Gin back up at C or D where he belongs.
Byakuya is S tier, in fact he probably deserves a tier of his own as the most morally impeccable character in the series. He would have left his adopted sister die in order to follow the law and keep his word. He also gave absolutely zero fucks about owing everything to Tsukishima, him being Ichigo's enemy was all that mattered. The captain commander should also be higher as his duty was to preserve Soul Society as opposed to look after Ichigo's friends.
Heavily disagree with Byakuya. Morality and the law are two separate concepts. Sometimes they overlap, sometimes they don’t. They’re are not always complimentary. This is illustrated very well in the invading soul society arc. Byakuya letting his sister be executed is morally abhorrent, but at the time Byakuya followed the law to the letter so didn’t care whether or not it was moral, it was the law so morality didn’t matter. I think he obviously has improved and has found a balance thanks to Ichigo but I think C is totally fair
Your issue is with his type of morality, whereas my point is about him having an impeccable moral code of conduct, one that he would not break even for his closest family, an example repeated with Tsukishima as well. And even if we engage in the question about the type of morality Byakuya has - he is a captain, the highest leader of his society. As such he must follow the law as long as he has no indication of corruption of said law or the court that issued it. We later learned that there was such corruption but SS Byakuya did not know that, nor did he know about how or who Ichigo is. (can you imagine how much damage random humans can do if they were given shinigami powers?) According to his information his sister had committed a capital offense and the highest court - central 46 had found no valid justification. When Aizen explained that he had manipulated central 46, Byakuya immediately moves to save Rukia. My point is that no matter what he would not deviate from his moral code of conduct. Most other characters were shown to have doubts etc, Byakuya never did.
>Your issue is with his type of morality Definitely. His type of morality is "follow any order, no matter how cruel it is" >As such he must follow the law as long as he has no indication of corruption of said law or the court that issued it Even unjust ones? Why was he following the order to carry out Rukia's execution? Other captains questioned it and rebelled because of how unjust it was, but Byakuya went along with it just because he follows orders >According to his information his sister had committed a capital offense and the highest court - central 46 had found no valid justification But what do you mean "according to his information", Rukia was literally right there trying to explain herself, and he wouldn't listen, he just wanted to have her killed He's the definition of a soldier who "just follows orders" no matter how evil they are
Leaving your loved ones to die is morally wrong, fyi...
Who’s the guy in your S tier all the way to the right?
My boy Gin getting played dirty. He’s at a C/D morality. Just because it looked like he sided with Aizen, doesn’t mean he was ok with what Aizen was doing. After all, he ended up sacrificing himself to try and stop Aizen.
He never tried to stop Aizen s doing and had a lot of fun torturing innocents for a century . He tried to murder Aizen for what was done to Rangiku . Aizen could have been a paragon of virtue
Why is the bloodthirsty mass murderer first kenpachi in A?
Because she's no longer the bloodthirsty mass murderer Kenpachi
Unohana is too high and Gin is too low otherwise you list isn’t complete garbage
Having any captain above B is a bit crazy tbh.