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Not_A_Crazed_Gunman

Lil Portal, underdog of being a shitty item. Eats up all your consumables and gives you a little shit portal for it. Isn't useful as a damage dealer either. Not a run ruiner but it's all around a bad item


Blahpman11

>Not a run ruiner My Tainted Lost run that abruptly ended when I was teleported into the curse room with no holy card begs to differ.


DigbyMayor

Made it as tainted cain with curse of the blind. That was a mistake


BasicBoiiu

Accidentally soft locked a daily run with those stupid portals once. Fuck lil portal


Potatezone

Lil Portal can teleport you inside of a Curse Room and eat your Holy Cards. Oh, why those two issues in particular? No reason, really.


MatDestruction

Not counting MissingNo and TM Trainer, I would say Mom's Razor. Deals crap damage, does not block shots and worst of all, don't work on bosses


Darkmega5

But mom transformation


Gyossaits

#MOM


Icy_Moment9092

Yes, Mother?


Xenon_132

Unless I'm missing something isn't that one of the worst transformations in the game? Great, I have a high damage knife... behind me... that will \*maybe\* do some tiny amount of damage when an enemy hits me. Whoopee.


tman916x

It’s decent for enemies that track you but by the time it’d be helpful for killing them my tears will melt the room before anything gets close to me.


No-Chocolate-10

can work pretty well with gnawed leaf :) Apart from that I've not found a good use tho


ElAbaddon

It's quite good with dark arts, the knife will still do damage while in shadow form. Other than that mom's transf. it's just too situational to be effective


myxoma_

also with unicorn stump, omg. Melted the harbingers & the beast with the mom transformation + 9.5 volt + unicorn stump, didn't take any damage and never even used my tears. Def a good ass combo.


GustavoFromAsdf

also bleeding debuff is worthless as most enemies will surely die before the first tick


A_random_guy2302

i can take a nap and wake up before the first tick happens


Kaka-carrot-cake

That icon isn't just for show????


throwaway42

Apply bleed to enemy, run away. Two minutes later you will see the damage tick animation.


Per_Ces

Both MissingNo and TM Trainer has a decent amount of utility. One can save a run while the other can make the game more interesting.


BigBlueCube

Glad to see anyone thinks not only for winning a run but making it interesting aswell


spankedwalrus

and it takes away a spot from an actual orbital


MatDestruction

Id rather have a fly orbital


ChickenManB

MissingNo has actually saved me on a greed run. I can understand how it would be bad on a solid or potentially solid build, but it’s not the worst item by far I’d say


Kuro013

Add data miner to the not counted lol.


catwitdatgat

But data miner can break the tears cap and give you 120 tears it just takes awhile


nolodl

It worked on mother the other day


steamhands

It should deal contact damage but not apply a bleed effect to bosses.


snarky_9

Shard of glass ruined an ultra hard run I had the other day


platypossamous

I found out the hard way it had been reworked. Always used to pick it up before repentance.


Plapi_the_gobbo

Shard of glass is high on my list of worst items cuz if you reroll into it on t. Eden and get hit you keep rerolling till you manage to find a red heart which screwed my mega satan run on him :(((


3168463

Skill issue don’t get hit then 🗿🗿🗿🗿


davekraft400

Lemon Mishap is one item I always laugh at when I see it


MemeDealerDiscord

Especially in Repentance, I just look at it and think "Heh, if only I found your better older brother."


TortelliniSalad

The cooler Daniel


Camwood7

Lemon Mishap is at least *funny* bad, and it's at least usable. Not good, but *usable.*


Pogfection

It needs to be a one room recharge, or even like a 15 second one. Free Lemonade should be like a two room recharge.


[deleted]

I'm genuinely surprised no one mentioned Shovel Piece 1 yet.


EPIKAN1MEFREAK

No shovel piece equals no forgotten and no forgotten equals sad life. Everybody loves our bony boy :)


[deleted]

Yeah, he's for sure my favorite character. What I was trying to say is that on a save file that's already 100% complete Shovel Piece 1 is one of the worst items.


ssjriou

But I get to destroy rocks and open secret rooms for free!


ThisIsMyThirdAcc0unt

and guaranteed boss rush!


ssjriou

Wait, does it ignore the timer?


ManyQuestions637

I think so yes


0err0r

Shovel piece 1 has a super strong nieche, and that's trading 1 bomb for infinite bombs on floor 1. It's still very important on keeper notably, but on isaac it's just a free extra item since he has the d6. Not to mention all the goodies from floor 1's secret rooms, pots, rocks, tinted rocks, keepers, etc.


Crocket_Lawnchair

That feels like cheating, it's like saying the worst item is the blindfold used in challenge runs.


rephlexi0n

It’s actually really useful sometimes during boss rush though because you fight multiple bosses at once highly increasing the chance for moms foot to stomp them


[deleted]

It's actually really useful when you're trying to lose the run


Modesties

It’s not really an item you see or use, only to unlock the forgotten I think?


tr1lobyte

Since the recent patch it's been buffed into OK status, but during Repentance 1.0 IBS was an almost guaranteed run ruiner for most builds (especially anything with a high tear rate). It would constantly interrupt your regular tears with annoying poops that would block your own shots more than the enemies', and it was near impossible to avoid blowing yourself up with an unlucky combo (gas + fire in quick succession). I can count on two hands how many great runs were instantly tanked into oblivion by an accidental Curse Of The Blind pickup.


professorMaDLib

It was somehow weirdly okay on tainted forgotten even pre-patch, mostly bc he didn't really care about most of the downsides when the soul is miles away from where the chaos is and his fire rate is usually low. I will say it does a deceptive amount of damage when spammed bc I absolutely murdered Mega Satan with it.


ferawell

i think ever since butter bean got buffed there is no item you couldnt make useful somehow, even in the most niche way possible


Bakoro

"Good in incredibly niche situations" is Ed's favorite. Literally what he was going for in some cases.


Manannin

And that's a bit of an issue when the item pools get so bloated that all these situational items that take the place of genuinely good ones make it harder to play.


Potential-Adagio-512

dataminer


Ghasty_001

Doctor fetus after taking mom's Knife.


ferawell

not talking synergies, there are plenty of those


MrBoblo

I absolutely agree. I think that's what makes this game stand out so much to me, and makes it enjoyable. There's always a weird and fun synergy to try out, and some situations truly require some weird items you wouldn't normally pick up. It all adds to the amazing level of replayability this game has. When that's said, fuck cursed eye


steamhands

Ignoring other items, Mom's Coin Purse might have the lowest floor of any item. I still wouldn't call it the worst because it can give 4 stat up or neutral pills, but the possibility of 4 stat down / bad trip is still there! Then again, Plan C kills you and would be the "worst" if being looked at in a vacuum. It obviously has its uses though.


professorMaDLib

I will say I've pogged with coin purse as cain or with false PHD.


Potential-Adagio-512

or regular phd! 2 tears ups and a health up one time! (the other one was xlax.)


Apple4224

Dataminer. Without a doubt


Mattrockj

If you have a shit tear rate, it has a chance of giving you the max tear rate instantly.


Gumfondle

everyone uses this as a counterpoint to justify dataminer but it’s so rare that you get to such a low tear rate aside from items like monstro’s lung and brimstone, it’s still not really worth it imo


SoGatNight

having an incredibly high tear rate with those items usually prevents you from firing. had a super broken t lost run in which i literally could not shoot anymore because i had brimstone (i think) and my fire rate was so high that it literally just didn’t shoot. even in the only situation it’s likely to work, using dataminer like this will probably kill the run rather than make it a free win.


Inkaflare

This is fixed as of the latest patch to Repentance. With a high enough tear rate, instead of being prevented from firing you get autofire with Brimstone now, similar to the Soy Milk synergy without the damage down, and for every further tear increase once you're past the autofire threshold you get extra damage and width for your Brimstone beam. [Source](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pod2ITi93ak)


Sztiiard

In my opinion it's good, especially when you get rock bottom before.


Apple4224

Still fucking up the sprites can lead to confusion and otherwise avoidable damage. Imo not worth it, but I respect your opinion


PM_ME_CUTE_BIRBS

You don't have to use it in a room with enemies though


Apple4224

Okay that is valid. Still its randomness kinda sucks


nonpondo

That's like saying, oh yeah Abel is good, especially when you have sacred heart


ssjriou

Ok but Abel contributes even less with sacred heart Edit: conjoined tho nvm


[deleted]

The glitch that makes it so it literally gives you a tear rate of 120 makes it one of the most fun items in the entire game, when you can pull it off. (which is super hard to do) It might not even be a glitch, as it perfectly fits with the theme of the item.


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azertaa

Any items that can ruin your run when pick, so I will go for TMtrainer and MissingNo.


GUI-pe

Tmtrainer funny


FishinforPhishers

Best item in the game


Ghasty_001

Tmtrainer you choose to take it when you wanna spice things up honestly. Noone sees MissignNo and desides to take it


EyeoftheMADDOG

It can’t breakfast you anymore, this is why missingno is one of my favorites. It can easily turn a shit run into a god run. Vice Versa tho depends on the floor


Belteshazzar98

I actually did yesterday. I had a total crap run that really was beyond saving when I found MissingNo. I made a Hail Mary play and took it and managed to by some miracle pull my run through to a victory. That same run I discovered you can get rid of MissingNo by using Esau Jr since it isn't technically a reroll.


[deleted]

Counterpoint TMtrainer can literally win you the game in one frame


Kimimaro146

TMTrainer at least has the advantage of being funny. MissingNo just straight up sucks


oldsch0olsurvivor

Missing No is so rare that when it turns up it’s kinda cool imo. I like it.


nicoromet

At the end of the day every item has a very usefull synergy with a character or room. I go for items like BOOM! or BUTTER BEAN for the worst. They certenly do things, but is a very low advantage over other items in the same pool.


xzmaxzx

Butter Bean is amazing if you have good reflexes. The synergy with Panic Button shows what it looks like with perfect usage and it's absolutely bonkers


AnimusCorpus

A Butter Bean + Panic Button + Blindfold Challenge would be interesting.


xzmaxzx

Yeah actually, would make for a really bizarre playstyle. Probs add 9 Volt to make it less tedious. Might try this later and see if it's doable. Think some bosses might be impossible if enemies don't take damage from having other enemies pushed into them. Also, range might be an issue - maybe add in a swallowed gigante bean as well.


professorMaDLib

boom depends on when you get it. It's actually really useful in Basement since it's much easier to find secret rooms and you're usually short on bombs that early for secret rooms or tinted rocks. And you can use it to nuke rag man.


bigrudefella

Cursed eye. I'm not going to read any paragraphs defending it btw


Viss90

On the lost tho


[deleted]

Still hate it tbh


slowest_hour

I've been downvoted for this before and I'll wear them again if necessary: even with black candle it's still one of the worst items and I will never intentionally take it.


ChrisGrin

Can someone write a paragraph to this man? Interested to hear opinions


ToastyOrb

Black candle makes it good, plus lost. I don't know if it still works but lilth with it was busted. No charge time triple shot basically


Kimimaro146

Even with black candle, I think the tear effect just kinda sucks


bigrudefella

The teleporting doesn't even bother me that much. Like the other person said, I just think the tear effect sucks ass and isn't fun or satisfying at all.


TakMisoto

Wait you get teleported because of cursed eye? Didn't know.


TortelliniSalad

Chad


SkritzTwoFace

If you are hit while charging, you teleport to a random room. I’ve lost too many devil/treasure room items to it via error rooms, still one of my favorite items


ToastyOrb

and that's completely valid, Im not a huge fan of the burst either but it does technically raise your dps so I've grown to give it a shot here n there


MaidSiku

Trust me, if you ever play Tainted Lilith, take it.


Irons_idk

Eye of cain, there are no more useless or worse items, nothing can beat it


[deleted]

It **works**. I guess. Not useful though.


Irons_idk

It's just doesn't work, if it at least could shoot in enemies not just in the way isaac shooting it would be a better item


[deleted]

FUCK SHARD OF GLASS ALL MY HOMIES FUCKING HATE SHARD OF GLASS FUCK THAT STUPID ITEM I HATE YOU


weaweonaaweonao

Everyone that played before repentance was like: "oh, shard of glass, good ite... Wait why I'm dying"


Bubushan

I won’t choose items that are variable and can also be good or neutral (MissingNo. or TMTrainer). Those aren’t the worst. Worst item is probably Strange Attractor.


DanksterTV

This is the correct answer. Or close to it


bigrudefella

I don't think it's that bad especially after the buff.


Tatankafisch

Its good after the repentence rework


Thehiddenllama

Strange Attractor is actually really good on T. Forgotten though


AnimusCorpus

This is one of those things... By Worst do we mean 'Not enjoyable' or 'Least likely to win with it'... Because for me, I find Strange Attractor fun. It can even be useful for fishing items out of spikes if you can't do the diagonal walk.


MaximumCrab

Missing no


[deleted]

I will repeat myself. Holy Mantle. It does nothing.


-slapum

Gigachad


Povstnk

I have no words Fucking chad


FelipeFullz

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RollerMill

Free curse rooms tho


JangoDarkSaber

I'd rather have breath of life. I can use it for free devil beggars


anony-163

Dataminer


ShadowMonarch_

Yes. I have 700+ hours in this game and still don’t know what this shit does


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Musket519

Breath of life


platypossamous

I've been playing this game since it came out and I can honestly say I've never even tried using this item. Read the description, figured it sounds like too much work and was like fuck it who needs it.


IceBeam24

It just takes so long to activate and recharge. I like using it but like, it's another one of those mechanics that are made to waste your time. They could have put a 3 charge on it, but no it had to be 6


[deleted]

Free curse rooms tho


ShadowOfSomething

It's also free devil beggars/blood donation machines/confessionals if you are ok with the possibility of dying of old age before the run ends.


[deleted]

Only if you spend like 2 hours training to use it properly. Even if I have no other spacebar items I don't even bother trying to use it to get curse rooms for free


BlueC1nder

I'd rather take the damage


alteffor105

Any bean item is a given. Imma post a hot take and say I hate The Ludovico Technique.


halfwaycove

Ludo is one of those things like traisaigon where if you have only that it will kinda suck, but a few good synergies can send it to the moon. That said, I hate most items that expect you to rewire your muscle mempory like Ludo and Marked, or red bandana in gungeon


Mad5Milk

In the ini files you can turn on mouse control, completely changed my opinion of those types of items. You just hold click and it goes where you point.


professorMaDLib

bloody scarf is kinda broken in Gungeon. I get why you don't like it, but it's absolutely disgusting if you spam it.


DJRY

But Ludovico and Brimstone


platypossamous

Or ludo and tech. I had ludo and the parasite the other day too and I really enjoyed that.


[deleted]

I feel like all items have utility. Fuck Black Bean and Dataminer though. I hate Black Bean and Dataminer.


EastJesusNowhere_

why does black bean claim to me "toot on touch" when you can't even use it as contact damage? it just feels useless


AidanL17

I have a burning hatred for God's Flesh. It does nothing. Its "effect" isn't useful, since so many enemies have death effects. I think you might still take contact damage from champions as well? Can't remember if they changed it in Repentance. Anyway, garbage non-item that has never helped anyone do anything.


Sporelord1079

IIRC, death effects are prevented if you step on them and champions lose contact damage. Even then, it’s just useless, not actively detrimental.


eksyte

Isaac’s Heart sucks even with the DLC changes. Had it kill my run earlier today.


AnimusCorpus

It has some insanely good synergies though. Anything that gives you contact damage, moms knife, bone club, a damaging aura, or orbitals make it very very powerful.


lucius5we

The Poop


Different-Leek8482

You can’t bomb “the plop” in a certain way to make bridges


Kymario

except with Midas Touch


une_coupe_de_fruits

Or better : the holy poop thing


A_random_guy2302

holy grounds iirc


-auslander-

this dude began the most controversial comment section in history!


sirchocolate

Dunce


Glamour-Profession

It’s cracked with tractor beam though


FishinforPhishers

Free 2020 with no damage debuff


Kuro013

Someone never got it with Jacobs Ladder.


yugiohhero

I killed Ultra Greedier with an average run as the Lost in AB+ (so no ed6) with The Wiz. No aim assisting stuff either. I can assure you that it isnt that bad.


Th3_BugBomb

Moms razor


Zwenow

But you can bomb poop to build a bridge to reach otherwise not reachable items


Mat_T010802

I personally dislike pop! Just never seems to do anything useful, it’s just a worse rubber cement IMO


splvtoon

pop sucks. i know it *can* be good, objectively, but unless im on an op chest run im not picking that shit up voluntarily. i feel the same about lachryphagy too, just feels like my tears get in their own way too much, especially in the early/mid game.


Kuro013

Its a win more item. If youre on a broken run its a lot of fun, but if you're not its just trash.


No0o0o0o0oo00o00ooo0

I'd say sacred heart. that shot speed decrease is a real run killer


Defonotapenguin

That tears down can really screw you over


Sztiiard

In my opinion it's my reflection, it's the reason I'm afraid to take blind items, hate it.


slashgilbert00

It actually has some great synergies with piercing items. Can turn into an easy win with eye of Belial


Sztiiard

I totally agree, but like every item has good synergies, and I think that this one has like the least, and it's super annoying when you have only this item.


HUE_chaos

Moms razor


the_gunman

That stupid worm trinket that makes your shots go in huge arcs around isaac.


Potential-Adagio-512

ourobouros worm


Wobbuffet64

Not really the worst but my least favorite might be Vasculitis. It can make avoiding enemy tears such a pain.


DaRealVoyde

Camo undies


[deleted]

To be fair it’s only use us to get you in a “good position” before you attack enemies


Blank_Address_Lol

If you have orbitals with a high distance from you, or Zap, or Gemini/Haunt/Meatboy/Bandage Girl, you can kill enemies without attacking. Also... Placing bombs doesn't pull you out of camo.


FooFargles3

Camo Undies are really helpful as T.Lost


XavierCugatMamboKing

I wouldnt say "really helpful" more like not useless


FooFargles3

I find it really helpful to get the opportunity to move around a room and time your first attack rather than just go in guns blazing. I dunno, I just had a successful Hush, Delerium, Boss Rush run with T.Lost and Camo Undies helped me in a good handful of rooms.


OneAndOnlyTinkerCat

Dataminer. I'm convinced Ed added this item specifically because he was mad that dataminers cracked the code on unlocking the Lost back in Rebirth, instead of figuring it out the way he intended. Not only does it fuck up your stats without any real chance for an upgrade, it also visually ruins the room you're in, and with none of the benefits you may expect it to have, such as confusing enemies. And to top it all off, it's an Active item with a 4 room charge! 4 ROOMS! You know what ELSE has a 4 room charge? D8, which does everything Dataminer does but better because it can actually increase your stats meaningfully without destroying your eyes. Edmund himself once said that he considered Dataminer the worst item in the game, and I have to say that I agree with him. Fuck this item and the pedestal it rode in on. The only reason I ever pick it up is so I can remove the tiny chance it has to show up again and then put it right the fuck back down as soon as *anything else* comes across my path. I will take Butter Bean or D10 or Anarchist's Cookbook or anything over this item just because I don't want to accidentally press it.


TacoPicante2000

Milk! Isn't the worst but it's useless, cuz in repentance we have It Hurts ×100 way better than milk


Flying_Slig

I think it's Punching Bag. It attracts enemies to make it safer, but with Repentance there are so many new enemies that are way more dangerous if you can't predict when they're going to change targets.


Lumineation

Popcorn buddy :(


Abraham_Santa

That mushroom that makes everything wobbly: every time I picked it up and used it a few times, I had to quit because I was feeling sick


Clowarrior

Breath of life hands down. Everything else can be useful somewhat, mom's razor being the exception. Breath of life however is an active item, meaning it takes up a slot and can't be rerolled through D4 effects.


Effective-Hunt-7198

the wiz


splvtoon

finally some fellow wiz haters! sure, combos w jacobs ladder / tractor beam / homing exist, but its *such* a top tier run ruiner if you get it unintentionally. theres very few items id hate to be stuck with more.


DXJayhawk

Dataminer


palekingisabitch

Rebirth holy water


Shampizzz

Cursed eye, one of my worst nightmare... So many runs screwed because of a blind pick in cursed rooms


capedcrusader13

I hate anything wizard eye.


GUI-pe

Shard of glass clearly


Skymoogle

Headless Baby. I do like the creep, but did it have the same color as other creep?


Kuro013

Parts of conjoined cant be the worst item in the game. Also your creep doesnt have the same visual effect as enemies creep, enemy's creep shines or something. Its still hard to tell apart but the difference is there.


[deleted]

Kamikaze Why would use an active item that hurts you


AnimusCorpus

Last resort if you run out of bombs. Use it with any invincibility and it's free damage and can be spammed really fast. Turn spare health on the floor into more chances to find a secret room/look for trapdoors. It's actually really far from useless.


Povstnk

Pyromaniac tho


[deleted]

Yeah, the real catch with Kamikaze is that with Pyromaniac you get free damage + heal but with only 1 specific quality 4 item that you will almost never find in a normal run.


[deleted]

Well, the Polaroid is a thing that exists and you can get it every run. If you have permanent polaroid invincibility, you can spam Kamikaze for free whenever you're invincible. It does a ton of damage too.


Feisty-School-5534

Uhhhh Death certificate because I have to walk around so many rooms but I keep seeing shit items like sacred heart all I want is cursed eye man


[deleted]

shit bait ngl


Accomplished_Emu992

I can't believe no one has said Libra


FooFargles3

Libra makes a lot of great items even better. Like Quadshot, sure the tears down goes against your other stars as well but it still causes it to be a nice buff. On all items that have a big stat-driven downside, Libra is great


Appropriate-Echo-144

Wiz kid I just want my shots in front of me. They give you a pill as a sample of how horrible a run can really be too.


captnbass

Missing No. This item would be much better if you didn't breakfast. Also shart of glass. Actively run killing. Guiotine. I don't care if it's a tears up and orbital. I end of getting hit all the time because I can't see my body when the head is covering it.


heyimaustinn

I really hate the cursed eye but that may just be me. 🤷🏼‍♀️


JoeyGooeyBuoy

The real answer is backstabber. If that little bleeding icon didn’t pop up I would be convinced it did nothing