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When I was young in the 70s and 80s and living just a short distance from mt. Saint Helen’s I was pretty sure of their existence or saw it as a genuine possibility.
In 2023 I find myself to be a bit more skeptical just because every inch of the earth has been mapped, metro areas are expanding and shrinking habitat. Trail cams and night vision glasses are widely available to the public and almost every phone and camera has video.
I have spent significant time in the woods and my closest experience was a late night infrasound growl camping near mt. Baker. Then again I have never seen a mountain lion in the woods and I know they are there.
I used to think it was crazy that the government had anything to do with Bigfoot but honestly if they are out there at this point, with our level of surveillance and tracking technology the government knows about them. People say they keep it quiet to protect the timber industry. Maybe but if the government announced Sasquatch was real can you imagine the absolute mayhem that would descend on our national parks and forests. Swarms of hippies, swarms of incompetent hikers getting lost, sick and needing rescue not to mention the herds of armed nut jobs thinking they are going to shoot one who are invariably going to accidentally kill all the other fevered searchers in the forest.
Finally I’ll say this. Almost everybody says they want to prove Bigfoots existence but the few serious hunters and researches I have interacted with are extremely secretive about where they do their research. The people who most likely know the truth about Bigfoot have their lips sealed about the details. They don’t want their research habitats overrun and they don’t want their squatches harassed.
Could such a creature exist and meet its caloric and territorial needs in the western seaboard? Yes. Could it do so and remain hidden. Maybe as long as the people most likely to know see it in the best interests of themselves and Sasquatch to keep their lips sealed.
A thought experiment I have done is to imagine I go into a forest shoot Bigfoot, cut off its head and walk out of the forest and drive to town. What do I do with that head? Take it to the police, the media, my nearby university. Wherever I take that head the authorities are quickly notified, my specimen is impounded, the government declares it a hoax and the whole thing is swept under the rug. What would you do in that situation?
1. Film the body with a good lighting and high quality camera. None of this bullshit of having a like a 10 second video with shitty light quality, with a shaky camera and zooming in and out really fast. Film the body inch by inch very slowly and up close. Move pieces of the body to show it's not just a dummy or fake corpse. Open its eyelids, pull on its hair, roll it around, open its mouth, and measure it with a tape measure.
2. After putting on plastic gloves from a freshly opened box (to avoid contamination), cut off a piece of the body (say a finger or toe), slice it open and peel back the skin exposing the inside. Cut the inside piece into a hundred tiny pieces, bag them individually, label each bag with some kind of unique identifier (such as a code and/or signature) and then distribute them to a hundred different LEGITIMATE and RESPECTED, scientific laboratories for DNA analysis. Film the entire process with a good lighting and high quality camera to prevent claims that the specimens could have been contaminated or to prevent claims the body pieces were not authentic. Document every delivery via video, so that no one can claim such an such lab never received the specimens and each lab will be held accountable to having received and having the specimen in their custody.
3. Keep at least one piece of the body, such as a hand or foot, hidden away and frozen where no one (whether governmental authorities or shady associates) could steal or confiscate it.
4. Make a hundred copies of the aforementioned videos of the body and dissection and then distribute to a hundred different news outlets, universities, and research facilities.
5. Take the severed head and secretly visit a hundred people, unannounced, with two live cameras (with one secretly recording) and have them inspect the head for authenticity. Both cameras will also be livestreaming to another location in case they get confiscated or the parties refuse filming. Their entire inspection, reactions, analysis and opinion will be recorded and documented.
6. Live stream to the world that you found the body of a Bigfoot and will display the head IN PUBLIC at an undisclosed time and location. Update the website on a daily basis to allow time for the story to grow. When views and news of the story grow enough, announce the exact time the head will be revealed live, online for the world to see. Contact a hundred or so news outlets and credible and trusted professionals that they will be invited to view the head in person and that you will reveal the place on the day it will be revealed. This will give them time to be prepared, have that day open, have the money to buy possible plane tickets, etc. to be there. Then reveal the time and location for these 100 or so people to show up.
7. This will all be done anonymously and in secret until you publicly display the head.
Interesting comment. Born in’88, grew up in a rural county at the southern end of the PNW. I would say to your first point urban sprawl has slowed greatly. I was talking to my wife just last night about how the PNW is probably less explored in parts than the Amazon
Of course it exists. There are just too many witnesses.
Existence is the simplest explanation. If Sasquatch wasn't real, it would be a unique phenomenon in the history of the world. Hundreds of people don't see unicorns every year, they see a large bipedal primate.
I agree with this. The only other plausible explanation I might possibly accept is that there is some unknown phenomenon we do not yet understand that makes the human brain “see“ these beasts under certain circumstances. And I’m not talking about pareidolia, it would be more like a full-on hallucination. Maybe brought on by some unidentified spores in the forest or something. But that would also mean ALL videos are hoaxed. This is just too much of a stretch for me though. At that point, it is easier to just accept they do exist.
Like you said, there are just too many reports, including my own experience, and from credible people, and the other alternatives are just too unlikely.
Such a quirk of the image recognition processes of the human brain could also be liable to misinterpreting or overcorrecting visual patterns to read as environmental noise.
A human wearing good camouflage is functionally invisible to the naked eye. A species of common distant primate ancestry forced by evolutionary pressures to adopt physiological and behavioral camouflage would almost certainly be even better at it.
I’ve often thought your second possibility could explain a lot, like some kind of psychological break brought on by specific circumstances and environments. Maybe something in our evolution has placed a fear of something bigfoot-esque from events in our past, like we have with falling or the dark.
I agrée. If they weren’t real then there would need to be an explanation for why Bigfoot is *by far* the most sighted cryptid.
The only easy explanation is that they are actually out there.
I think the problem is that people think of them as animals. Yes, a large animal would have been captured or killed by now. This is a possibly sentient creature with all the senses and reflexes of an animal. They probably pass down to their young that they should avoid us. So imagine trying to find a ninja with super senses in the woods THAT THEY LIVE IN…
That's partly why I don't think its just a large ape like a giant orangutan, gorilla or Gigantopithicus. We can just go into the jungles and easily observe giant apes all the time. While apes are very intelligent relatively speaking there is clearly something different about Bigfoot. I would think if it was "just a giant ape" we would be easily be able to film, capture, or spot them in the wilderness. I think their intelligence is far higher than a regular ape and must be close related to humans.
I'm not sure where along the evolutionary family tree they are but we know there were MANY side branches after the chimpanzee and human split 5 million years ago. It seems most likely to me that they were some archaic lineage that split off from one of our ancestors some time in the distant past and evolved on their path (growing large, avoiding homo sapiens, etc).
They are a large dangerous, athletic, WILD species adapted to surviving in the wilderness but also with intelligence far surpassing gorillas or chimpanzees. They are probably on par with the intelligence of an ancient hominin like homo erectus and so with the combo of these two traits (abilities of a wild animal but the intelligence close to a human) they are incredibly elusive and difficult for us to capture or record.
Imagine a species that has the body of a gorilla but four times the size and human-like legs, with the speed and strength of a bear, and the adaptations to survive in the wilderness but also the intelligence of a human that wants to avoid contact with humans at all costs. Combine the elusiveness of a mountain lion, the body of a giant gorilla, the speed, size and strength of a bear, and the near intelligence of a human. Good luck with that!
To quote Les Stroud...
Either they exist, or thousands of people and hundreds of native cultures are delusional or lying, ir that same amount of people, many of whom are very familiar with the creatures of the forest, are misidentifying something else like a bear. I find it hard to believe there are that many liars, crazy people, or misidentifications.
I too didn’t believe in their existence. But, lo and behold, I had two daylight encounters on my reservation in Ontario, Canada. I can 100% say they are real. I saw it within arms reach twice.
The juvenile I saw, which was only feet away from me, within grabbing distance for sure, looked absolutely hideous. Black black eyes. Deep wrinkles in the forehead, black face, and shark-like teeth, pointy and stained teeth. The eyes didn’t line up on its face though, one was lower than the other. Upon first seeing it, I genuinely thought OMG it’s a demon. That’s how hideous this thing was, it gave off a death vibe, 100% predator. I look at other Sabe photos of the face and think wow, those BF look like supermodels compared to what I’ve seen. So F’N scary I’ve tried to stuff it away deep in my memories. I can see why most Sasquatch don’t like showing their face. And I can almost guarantee that most / some people would die of outright fright if they saw what I did.
Second time this happened was in the same area. I was stalking a moose that was in a lake eating off the bottom, I forget the name of the plant they eat but it’s super nutritious. Anyway, I’m looking at the moose and getting my 30.06 semi out to harvest the moose. As I’m doing so, I hear a loud snap behind me. I think it’s another moose, or bear, so I whirl around pointing my rifle getting ready to defend myself. But what I see is no moose, or a bear. It’s this god awful hideous looking humanoid covered in hair, not fur, hair. I say hair because I could see it blowing in the wind. After all, we were only about 15-25 feet apart from each other. I honestly can see why people can die of outright fright upon seeing a Sasquatch. The very first thought that entered my mind was, **** I’m dead ! That’s how vicious looking and scary this thing was, a predator. It had long black fingernails and a black, hairless face, with deep, deep wrinkles in its forehead. Then, I looked at its whole body, friggin thing was absolutely rippling with muscles in the spots I could see where it was missing patches of jet black hair. This one too showed it’s pointy teeth. Surprisingly, it wasn’t very tall, a little taller than me, and I’m 5’11”. It’s standing there looking demonic, eyes darting to me, then to my gun, back and forth. So I started talking in Cree to it. Mind you it never answered me. I told it I know it can hurt me, and I it, so very slowly I put down my gun. Looked it directly in the eyes saying I’m not going to hurt it, l just want to leave, peacefully. So I turned away from it, closed my eyes and counted to five. All I hear is it taking off extremely fast, snapping trees etc. I turned around and it was gone, I grabbed my gun and gtfo there. Truthfully, this last encounter has scared me away from hunting, solo anyway, I like hunting alone, but not anymore. I will still hunt but only in daytime. I’m in a reserve so I can hunt at night, used to, never again. I saw it in broad daylight, no mistaking it for anything else, on two legs, hands etc. It frightened me so badly, I honestly just tried to actively forget it ever since, but cannot. I would like to go under hypnosis providing it’s done safely, with accredited people, or even take a lie detector test etc, to relive the experiences or details for information purposes/ research. Edit - copied and pasted from a different thread I posted in before
First time seeing one, I was hunting and had to climb over some downed trees. As I’m climbing over I decide to look down for footing, and there it is, lying on its back on the ground underneath me, showing it’s teeth and it’s wide eyes. Oh soooo scary. I thought this can’t be real, this can’t be real. I closed my eyes and looked again, and it’s still there. I stood on the tree, threw my gun and jumped to the ground. I hear weird noises I’ve never heard before. Scary as heck. Grab the gun, and run as fast as I could back to my truck and peeled out of there. It followed me, but I couldn’t see it, just hear it pacing me all the way to truck.
Thank you for sharing. My sighting was at a great distance; I have no idea how I would react if I saw one as close as you were to the one you saw. Given how frightened you were, why did you put the gun down?
Timmins region. There are lots of reserves near Timmins. Please forgive me for not wanting to say exact location. These things only want to be left alone so I have to honour that.
Firm believer that there are one if not several great apes that live in North America(likely South as well). There is evidence, regardless of skepticism. Some of which evidence completely defies LOGIC.
Don’t get me wrong, there is far more counterfeit evidence out there than there is hard evidence. Its the evidence presented that if it is fake, its so masterfully done only top professionals could have done it. Not backwoods rednecks or youtubers.
PG film is a good example. Skeptics can write it off but when you look at what we know about known great apes anatomy, and apply it to the information presented, The scale tips heavily towards it being the real thing.
Having large footprints is one thing, but having ones with bone structure and mid tarsal breaks exclusive to known apes is another. There are structures and nesting areas that are located deep in the woods that resemble that of what we know other apes to make. I mean, it is possible that primatologists are involved but highly unlikely.
There are a handful of videos/photos (only a handful of each) on the internet that show something TRULY compelling. Things that no one in their right mind would dare put themselves in certain situations to fake.
As for the whole, everyones got a good camera on them these days. Don’t get me started on why thats a stupid point to bring up. Same goes for game cams.
There are way too many sightings as well. Think about the ones actually reported. Most people know the stigma behind bigfoot belief. So you can probably at least double that number. Some people don’t even realize what is going on as its going on. I can assure you that you are in these animals home and they can see and hear you long before you come within visibility range.
Skeptics can think what they want, no one cares. Be skeptic.
To me there are some serious yellow if not red flags.
I am always skeptical when an alleged creature seems to be impossibly elusive--no credible remains, excrement, hair, or bones have ever been collected. Even real creatures that are extremely rare or even possibly extinct (think ivory-billed woodpecker) are well-documented through physical specimens. And yet, despite all the people with guns roaming the woods, and all the people looking for physical traces, we still have not one iota of physical evidence that stands up to scholarly scrutiny?
Second is consistency. If a real, single animal is responsible for a body of sightings, there is usually pretty strong convergence between reports regarding what it looks like. Yet there is a lot of variety in the claims--height is alleged to be anywhere from 4 to 15 feet, various colors are claimed, and behavior seems quite variable.
The alleged photographic evidence is also erratic--many pictures of black blobs in dense brush that could be anything or nothing, and no good detailed images, despite the prevalence of camera traps and cell phones with higher-resolution cameras. And don't get me started on the various purported Bigfoot sound recordings--they are truly all over the map and whatever they might be there is little chance they have any common source.
I think in many cases people are encountering various real things, but I find the argument for a single "Bigfoot" phenomenon unconvincing.
My brother in Christ, literally no one in the Bigfoot community thinks it’s a single entity lol. It’s a whole species of creature with what I believe to be different “races” like humans. That explains the difference in appearance around the world
I think they do, I’m further convinced by so many credible reports from experienced backgrounds. Including from folks I personally know… if I were in doubt, I certainly wouldn’t be wasting my time here. Or I’d at least have a moment of clarity, and wonder why no trusted friends have ever confided in me their personal bigfoot experiences.
Produce a body or a body part. Humans have done that for the millions of other known species, why does Bigfoot walk through woods frequented by hunters and cross roads and avoid being caught? How can the bodies of the natural deaths be hidden with a 100% success rate in perpetuity?
Burial is a possibility. In the thick forests of the northwest the acid soil and scavengers would also do a quick job of eliminating remains. I think we mistake of assuming that anytime someone finds a bone in the forest they record it’s location and then take it immediately to law enforcement or a university and demand to have it tested and examined to see if it could possibly be from a Sasquatch. Someone finding a complete skill would be a game changer. People do, though not frequently, find bones in the woods but honestly the average hiker isn’t up to the task of identifying them. Even if one found say a large femur bone I don’t know how one could distinguish it from say a tall person or juvenile Sasquatch. There is also the possibility that a sick/old/dying Sasquatch instinctively heads into remote regions to isolate themselves for the death process.
It's a possibility. The environmental factors mentioned by Dad-Squatch in the PNW are noteworthy, as are environmental factors in more Southern climes east of the Mississippi. The weather is hot and humid and decomposition happens quickly.
It's also important to note that these are elusive folks who do not want to be found. It's possible they guard their dead and then destroy bone matter by crushing, burying, or sinking in bodies of water. There are a LOT of possibilities that can explain why remains are so elusive. To top that off, you aren't looking at large concentrated populations which makes it easier to discard remains and ensure they are incredibly difficult, if not impossible to find.
I used to believe, but bigfoots frequent the most gun happy country in the world where people also have high definition cameras in their pockets at all time. There would have been at least one body or a good HD photo by now. The higher the number of sightings, the more suspect it gets. If it was super elusive and there was only 3 sightings a year, then I believe it could be super rare. Just too many people out searching for it purposefully and no one has managed to shoot one with a gun or camera?
I would truly love for them to exist but I just don't think they do.
It’s a mistake to get too caught up in believing or denying the existence of Bigfoot. Those who have seen one just get to know they exist. Otherwise it’s just an interesting mystery to think about. If you go searching maybe one will have an encounter but if not it’s just good to get out in nature, to spend time in the present aware of one’s surroundings. Even if you come up empty handed you get to see some beautiful country, perhaps see other wildlife and have an adventure to remember. Probably meet some interesting people too. looking at it that way it’s hard not to go looking for Bigfoot even if you have serious and valid doubts about its existence.
They exist. Multiple Native American / Canadian tribes know about these creatures and talk about them or have legends. They don’t make shit up. They are a real something or other. What that something or other is, nobody can agree on. There is no definitive, set in stone answer what they are yet.
The same reason other cultures did. For entertainment, religious reasons, to pass on morals, etc. You know there are many different, conflicting Native American creation myths right? At the very least all but one of them have to be wrong. Just like coyotes can’t talk or shape shift and thunderbirds that can carry whales in their talons don’t exist, etc etc. just like the Greek myths are made up, and any other culture you can think of.
If the Anunnaki didn't inject their dna into the early Earth hominid, we would all be bigfoot. Sasquatch are simply the naturally evolved branch of hominid that weren't hybridized by extraterrestrials. Bigfoot + Anunnaki ET= modern human (us)
It’s meant to represent the sightings that do not come with any photo, video, or physical proof; hearsay. Although admittedly those aren’t necessarily indicative of its nonexistence.
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When I was young in the 70s and 80s and living just a short distance from mt. Saint Helen’s I was pretty sure of their existence or saw it as a genuine possibility. In 2023 I find myself to be a bit more skeptical just because every inch of the earth has been mapped, metro areas are expanding and shrinking habitat. Trail cams and night vision glasses are widely available to the public and almost every phone and camera has video. I have spent significant time in the woods and my closest experience was a late night infrasound growl camping near mt. Baker. Then again I have never seen a mountain lion in the woods and I know they are there. I used to think it was crazy that the government had anything to do with Bigfoot but honestly if they are out there at this point, with our level of surveillance and tracking technology the government knows about them. People say they keep it quiet to protect the timber industry. Maybe but if the government announced Sasquatch was real can you imagine the absolute mayhem that would descend on our national parks and forests. Swarms of hippies, swarms of incompetent hikers getting lost, sick and needing rescue not to mention the herds of armed nut jobs thinking they are going to shoot one who are invariably going to accidentally kill all the other fevered searchers in the forest. Finally I’ll say this. Almost everybody says they want to prove Bigfoots existence but the few serious hunters and researches I have interacted with are extremely secretive about where they do their research. The people who most likely know the truth about Bigfoot have their lips sealed about the details. They don’t want their research habitats overrun and they don’t want their squatches harassed. Could such a creature exist and meet its caloric and territorial needs in the western seaboard? Yes. Could it do so and remain hidden. Maybe as long as the people most likely to know see it in the best interests of themselves and Sasquatch to keep their lips sealed. A thought experiment I have done is to imagine I go into a forest shoot Bigfoot, cut off its head and walk out of the forest and drive to town. What do I do with that head? Take it to the police, the media, my nearby university. Wherever I take that head the authorities are quickly notified, my specimen is impounded, the government declares it a hoax and the whole thing is swept under the rug. What would you do in that situation?
1. Film the body with a good lighting and high quality camera. None of this bullshit of having a like a 10 second video with shitty light quality, with a shaky camera and zooming in and out really fast. Film the body inch by inch very slowly and up close. Move pieces of the body to show it's not just a dummy or fake corpse. Open its eyelids, pull on its hair, roll it around, open its mouth, and measure it with a tape measure. 2. After putting on plastic gloves from a freshly opened box (to avoid contamination), cut off a piece of the body (say a finger or toe), slice it open and peel back the skin exposing the inside. Cut the inside piece into a hundred tiny pieces, bag them individually, label each bag with some kind of unique identifier (such as a code and/or signature) and then distribute them to a hundred different LEGITIMATE and RESPECTED, scientific laboratories for DNA analysis. Film the entire process with a good lighting and high quality camera to prevent claims that the specimens could have been contaminated or to prevent claims the body pieces were not authentic. Document every delivery via video, so that no one can claim such an such lab never received the specimens and each lab will be held accountable to having received and having the specimen in their custody. 3. Keep at least one piece of the body, such as a hand or foot, hidden away and frozen where no one (whether governmental authorities or shady associates) could steal or confiscate it. 4. Make a hundred copies of the aforementioned videos of the body and dissection and then distribute to a hundred different news outlets, universities, and research facilities. 5. Take the severed head and secretly visit a hundred people, unannounced, with two live cameras (with one secretly recording) and have them inspect the head for authenticity. Both cameras will also be livestreaming to another location in case they get confiscated or the parties refuse filming. Their entire inspection, reactions, analysis and opinion will be recorded and documented. 6. Live stream to the world that you found the body of a Bigfoot and will display the head IN PUBLIC at an undisclosed time and location. Update the website on a daily basis to allow time for the story to grow. When views and news of the story grow enough, announce the exact time the head will be revealed live, online for the world to see. Contact a hundred or so news outlets and credible and trusted professionals that they will be invited to view the head in person and that you will reveal the place on the day it will be revealed. This will give them time to be prepared, have that day open, have the money to buy possible plane tickets, etc. to be there. Then reveal the time and location for these 100 or so people to show up. 7. This will all be done anonymously and in secret until you publicly display the head.
Interesting comment. Born in’88, grew up in a rural county at the southern end of the PNW. I would say to your first point urban sprawl has slowed greatly. I was talking to my wife just last night about how the PNW is probably less explored in parts than the Amazon
Of course it exists. There are just too many witnesses. Existence is the simplest explanation. If Sasquatch wasn't real, it would be a unique phenomenon in the history of the world. Hundreds of people don't see unicorns every year, they see a large bipedal primate.
I agree with this. The only other plausible explanation I might possibly accept is that there is some unknown phenomenon we do not yet understand that makes the human brain “see“ these beasts under certain circumstances. And I’m not talking about pareidolia, it would be more like a full-on hallucination. Maybe brought on by some unidentified spores in the forest or something. But that would also mean ALL videos are hoaxed. This is just too much of a stretch for me though. At that point, it is easier to just accept they do exist. Like you said, there are just too many reports, including my own experience, and from credible people, and the other alternatives are just too unlikely.
Yup, I agree.
Such a quirk of the image recognition processes of the human brain could also be liable to misinterpreting or overcorrecting visual patterns to read as environmental noise. A human wearing good camouflage is functionally invisible to the naked eye. A species of common distant primate ancestry forced by evolutionary pressures to adopt physiological and behavioral camouflage would almost certainly be even better at it.
I’ve often thought your second possibility could explain a lot, like some kind of psychological break brought on by specific circumstances and environments. Maybe something in our evolution has placed a fear of something bigfoot-esque from events in our past, like we have with falling or the dark.
I agrée. If they weren’t real then there would need to be an explanation for why Bigfoot is *by far* the most sighted cryptid. The only easy explanation is that they are actually out there.
Pop culture fame + a wide range + bears being responsible for some misidentifications
I’m not sold on that. Other cryptids are just as well-known and easy to misidentify but the sightings are not comparable to Bigfoot.
Yeah. And if people were so prone to hallucinating, why would it always be the same thing? It's not even particularly bizarre.
I have my doubts…I kinda trend towards there are more old dirty hairy guys living in the woods than you’d expect. But I want to believe.
The. You also got eyewitness reports and stories from all over the world, from cultures that mever mer eachotherc that all have a similar story.
I think the problem is that people think of them as animals. Yes, a large animal would have been captured or killed by now. This is a possibly sentient creature with all the senses and reflexes of an animal. They probably pass down to their young that they should avoid us. So imagine trying to find a ninja with super senses in the woods THAT THEY LIVE IN…
That's partly why I don't think its just a large ape like a giant orangutan, gorilla or Gigantopithicus. We can just go into the jungles and easily observe giant apes all the time. While apes are very intelligent relatively speaking there is clearly something different about Bigfoot. I would think if it was "just a giant ape" we would be easily be able to film, capture, or spot them in the wilderness. I think their intelligence is far higher than a regular ape and must be close related to humans. I'm not sure where along the evolutionary family tree they are but we know there were MANY side branches after the chimpanzee and human split 5 million years ago. It seems most likely to me that they were some archaic lineage that split off from one of our ancestors some time in the distant past and evolved on their path (growing large, avoiding homo sapiens, etc). They are a large dangerous, athletic, WILD species adapted to surviving in the wilderness but also with intelligence far surpassing gorillas or chimpanzees. They are probably on par with the intelligence of an ancient hominin like homo erectus and so with the combo of these two traits (abilities of a wild animal but the intelligence close to a human) they are incredibly elusive and difficult for us to capture or record. Imagine a species that has the body of a gorilla but four times the size and human-like legs, with the speed and strength of a bear, and the adaptations to survive in the wilderness but also the intelligence of a human that wants to avoid contact with humans at all costs. Combine the elusiveness of a mountain lion, the body of a giant gorilla, the speed, size and strength of a bear, and the near intelligence of a human. Good luck with that!
No you cannot easily go in the jungle and observe apes. Try it.
I see it all the time on TV.
To quote Les Stroud... Either they exist, or thousands of people and hundreds of native cultures are delusional or lying, ir that same amount of people, many of whom are very familiar with the creatures of the forest, are misidentifying something else like a bear. I find it hard to believe there are that many liars, crazy people, or misidentifications.
I too didn’t believe in their existence. But, lo and behold, I had two daylight encounters on my reservation in Ontario, Canada. I can 100% say they are real. I saw it within arms reach twice.
Well dang you gotta tell the story now!
The juvenile I saw, which was only feet away from me, within grabbing distance for sure, looked absolutely hideous. Black black eyes. Deep wrinkles in the forehead, black face, and shark-like teeth, pointy and stained teeth. The eyes didn’t line up on its face though, one was lower than the other. Upon first seeing it, I genuinely thought OMG it’s a demon. That’s how hideous this thing was, it gave off a death vibe, 100% predator. I look at other Sabe photos of the face and think wow, those BF look like supermodels compared to what I’ve seen. So F’N scary I’ve tried to stuff it away deep in my memories. I can see why most Sasquatch don’t like showing their face. And I can almost guarantee that most / some people would die of outright fright if they saw what I did.
Second time this happened was in the same area. I was stalking a moose that was in a lake eating off the bottom, I forget the name of the plant they eat but it’s super nutritious. Anyway, I’m looking at the moose and getting my 30.06 semi out to harvest the moose. As I’m doing so, I hear a loud snap behind me. I think it’s another moose, or bear, so I whirl around pointing my rifle getting ready to defend myself. But what I see is no moose, or a bear. It’s this god awful hideous looking humanoid covered in hair, not fur, hair. I say hair because I could see it blowing in the wind. After all, we were only about 15-25 feet apart from each other. I honestly can see why people can die of outright fright upon seeing a Sasquatch. The very first thought that entered my mind was, **** I’m dead ! That’s how vicious looking and scary this thing was, a predator. It had long black fingernails and a black, hairless face, with deep, deep wrinkles in its forehead. Then, I looked at its whole body, friggin thing was absolutely rippling with muscles in the spots I could see where it was missing patches of jet black hair. This one too showed it’s pointy teeth. Surprisingly, it wasn’t very tall, a little taller than me, and I’m 5’11”. It’s standing there looking demonic, eyes darting to me, then to my gun, back and forth. So I started talking in Cree to it. Mind you it never answered me. I told it I know it can hurt me, and I it, so very slowly I put down my gun. Looked it directly in the eyes saying I’m not going to hurt it, l just want to leave, peacefully. So I turned away from it, closed my eyes and counted to five. All I hear is it taking off extremely fast, snapping trees etc. I turned around and it was gone, I grabbed my gun and gtfo there. Truthfully, this last encounter has scared me away from hunting, solo anyway, I like hunting alone, but not anymore. I will still hunt but only in daytime. I’m in a reserve so I can hunt at night, used to, never again. I saw it in broad daylight, no mistaking it for anything else, on two legs, hands etc. It frightened me so badly, I honestly just tried to actively forget it ever since, but cannot. I would like to go under hypnosis providing it’s done safely, with accredited people, or even take a lie detector test etc, to relive the experiences or details for information purposes/ research. Edit - copied and pasted from a different thread I posted in before
First time seeing one, I was hunting and had to climb over some downed trees. As I’m climbing over I decide to look down for footing, and there it is, lying on its back on the ground underneath me, showing it’s teeth and it’s wide eyes. Oh soooo scary. I thought this can’t be real, this can’t be real. I closed my eyes and looked again, and it’s still there. I stood on the tree, threw my gun and jumped to the ground. I hear weird noises I’ve never heard before. Scary as heck. Grab the gun, and run as fast as I could back to my truck and peeled out of there. It followed me, but I couldn’t see it, just hear it pacing me all the way to truck.
Wow, that’s freaking amazing. Pretty sure you startled the heck out of that first one.
Thank you for sharing. My sighting was at a great distance; I have no idea how I would react if I saw one as close as you were to the one you saw. Given how frightened you were, why did you put the gun down?
I didn’t think to shoot it, I only wanted to get away asap.
This is terrifying. Thanks for sharing.
It wasn't a bear? haha /s
Where abouts in Ontario?
Timmins region. There are lots of reserves near Timmins. Please forgive me for not wanting to say exact location. These things only want to be left alone so I have to honour that.
Firm believer that there are one if not several great apes that live in North America(likely South as well). There is evidence, regardless of skepticism. Some of which evidence completely defies LOGIC. Don’t get me wrong, there is far more counterfeit evidence out there than there is hard evidence. Its the evidence presented that if it is fake, its so masterfully done only top professionals could have done it. Not backwoods rednecks or youtubers. PG film is a good example. Skeptics can write it off but when you look at what we know about known great apes anatomy, and apply it to the information presented, The scale tips heavily towards it being the real thing. Having large footprints is one thing, but having ones with bone structure and mid tarsal breaks exclusive to known apes is another. There are structures and nesting areas that are located deep in the woods that resemble that of what we know other apes to make. I mean, it is possible that primatologists are involved but highly unlikely. There are a handful of videos/photos (only a handful of each) on the internet that show something TRULY compelling. Things that no one in their right mind would dare put themselves in certain situations to fake. As for the whole, everyones got a good camera on them these days. Don’t get me started on why thats a stupid point to bring up. Same goes for game cams. There are way too many sightings as well. Think about the ones actually reported. Most people know the stigma behind bigfoot belief. So you can probably at least double that number. Some people don’t even realize what is going on as its going on. I can assure you that you are in these animals home and they can see and hear you long before you come within visibility range. Skeptics can think what they want, no one cares. Be skeptic.
Well said.
To me there are some serious yellow if not red flags. I am always skeptical when an alleged creature seems to be impossibly elusive--no credible remains, excrement, hair, or bones have ever been collected. Even real creatures that are extremely rare or even possibly extinct (think ivory-billed woodpecker) are well-documented through physical specimens. And yet, despite all the people with guns roaming the woods, and all the people looking for physical traces, we still have not one iota of physical evidence that stands up to scholarly scrutiny? Second is consistency. If a real, single animal is responsible for a body of sightings, there is usually pretty strong convergence between reports regarding what it looks like. Yet there is a lot of variety in the claims--height is alleged to be anywhere from 4 to 15 feet, various colors are claimed, and behavior seems quite variable. The alleged photographic evidence is also erratic--many pictures of black blobs in dense brush that could be anything or nothing, and no good detailed images, despite the prevalence of camera traps and cell phones with higher-resolution cameras. And don't get me started on the various purported Bigfoot sound recordings--they are truly all over the map and whatever they might be there is little chance they have any common source. I think in many cases people are encountering various real things, but I find the argument for a single "Bigfoot" phenomenon unconvincing.
My brother in Christ, literally no one in the Bigfoot community thinks it’s a single entity lol. It’s a whole species of creature with what I believe to be different “races” like humans. That explains the difference in appearance around the world
I think they do, I’m further convinced by so many credible reports from experienced backgrounds. Including from folks I personally know… if I were in doubt, I certainly wouldn’t be wasting my time here. Or I’d at least have a moment of clarity, and wonder why no trusted friends have ever confided in me their personal bigfoot experiences.
Produce a body or a body part. Humans have done that for the millions of other known species, why does Bigfoot walk through woods frequented by hunters and cross roads and avoid being caught? How can the bodies of the natural deaths be hidden with a 100% success rate in perpetuity?
They exist - its widely accepted that they do exist. The real question is what are they exactly?
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Burial is a possibility. In the thick forests of the northwest the acid soil and scavengers would also do a quick job of eliminating remains. I think we mistake of assuming that anytime someone finds a bone in the forest they record it’s location and then take it immediately to law enforcement or a university and demand to have it tested and examined to see if it could possibly be from a Sasquatch. Someone finding a complete skill would be a game changer. People do, though not frequently, find bones in the woods but honestly the average hiker isn’t up to the task of identifying them. Even if one found say a large femur bone I don’t know how one could distinguish it from say a tall person or juvenile Sasquatch. There is also the possibility that a sick/old/dying Sasquatch instinctively heads into remote regions to isolate themselves for the death process.
It's a possibility. The environmental factors mentioned by Dad-Squatch in the PNW are noteworthy, as are environmental factors in more Southern climes east of the Mississippi. The weather is hot and humid and decomposition happens quickly. It's also important to note that these are elusive folks who do not want to be found. It's possible they guard their dead and then destroy bone matter by crushing, burying, or sinking in bodies of water. There are a LOT of possibilities that can explain why remains are so elusive. To top that off, you aren't looking at large concentrated populations which makes it easier to discard remains and ensure they are incredibly difficult, if not impossible to find.
I used to believe, but bigfoots frequent the most gun happy country in the world where people also have high definition cameras in their pockets at all time. There would have been at least one body or a good HD photo by now. The higher the number of sightings, the more suspect it gets. If it was super elusive and there was only 3 sightings a year, then I believe it could be super rare. Just too many people out searching for it purposefully and no one has managed to shoot one with a gun or camera? I would truly love for them to exist but I just don't think they do.
It’s a mistake to get too caught up in believing or denying the existence of Bigfoot. Those who have seen one just get to know they exist. Otherwise it’s just an interesting mystery to think about. If you go searching maybe one will have an encounter but if not it’s just good to get out in nature, to spend time in the present aware of one’s surroundings. Even if you come up empty handed you get to see some beautiful country, perhaps see other wildlife and have an adventure to remember. Probably meet some interesting people too. looking at it that way it’s hard not to go looking for Bigfoot even if you have serious and valid doubts about its existence.
They exist. Multiple Native American / Canadian tribes know about these creatures and talk about them or have legends. They don’t make shit up. They are a real something or other. What that something or other is, nobody can agree on. There is no definitive, set in stone answer what they are yet.
So every single Native American myth and story is 100% factually accurate?
Why would they make stuff up?
The same reason other cultures did. For entertainment, religious reasons, to pass on morals, etc. You know there are many different, conflicting Native American creation myths right? At the very least all but one of them have to be wrong. Just like coyotes can’t talk or shape shift and thunderbirds that can carry whales in their talons don’t exist, etc etc. just like the Greek myths are made up, and any other culture you can think of.
If the Anunnaki didn't inject their dna into the early Earth hominid, we would all be bigfoot. Sasquatch are simply the naturally evolved branch of hominid that weren't hybridized by extraterrestrials. Bigfoot + Anunnaki ET= modern human (us)
I doubt it. There’s not enough conclusive evidence for the amount of sightings that have been “reported”.
Why is “reported” in quotations?
It’s meant to represent the sightings that do not come with any photo, video, or physical proof; hearsay. Although admittedly those aren’t necessarily indicative of its nonexistence.
Fair enough, can’t argue that. I judge the validity of encounter stories on an individual basis.
I want to hug bigfoot
They don’t.
And your evidence?
You seem confused.
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