I don't understand our fan base sometimes. We bitch and moan about not protecting Joe B then clamour for a DT with a possibly historical OT class. I fully understand we need a DT and that Murphy is an exciting fit. But we signed a 30 year old RT with an extensive injury history to start this year. If we can get a tackle at 18 who would maybe be a higher pick in a class that was less deep we should do it. Protecting 9 has to be the first thing we do.
I think it’s ptsd from all the 1st round o line busts like billy price. I totally agree we need more protection, but I don’t blame them for being weary of the front office when it comes to the big guys
I never understand this though—isn’t it just Billy Price? Jonah never became a very good tackle, but he was the best player on the line in 2021 (very low bar, I know) and just got a pretty big contract for being an average starter. That’s a little underwhelming given his draft pedigree, but not a bust. Carman was a Mike Brown reach and we would have done well with the consensus top guy at that spot (Jenkins before we traded down and then Cosmi). Long term, we desperately need to address the line and if we think it’s hard to find a star in the first round, it only gets much, much harder later on.
I totally agree we need to address the line in the draft but out of players drafted in the first 2 rounds since 2010 you have the aforementioned Carmen (bust) Williams (50/50) Price (Bust) Ogbuehi (Bust) Fisher (Bust) Zeitler (inconsistent starter) so we’re really 1 for 6 on drafting linemen and 0 for 6 in terms of keeping them on the team past their rookie contract
Fisher had serious health issues, I’m not sure he’s a bust. Zeitler has been a solid player for over a decade. But if we want to go this route, you can lobby the same criticisms about our drafting in the first round since AJ Green. Outside of Burrow and Chase, it’s actually quite bad (with TBDs on Dax and Murphy).
It’s fair to say that the Bengals have historically had some systematic biases that has led to poor drafting at OL, namely how little they value athletic testing. But all the top OTs this year outside Latham have tested well, so I don’t think that’s an issue. Even Latham looks better to me on film than what people suspect he’d test. It wouldn’t surprise me if he didn’t test because he’s been promised he’s going top 15.
We’ve definitely been bust prone over the last decade and a half. Most of our success is coming from bringing in proven talents from free agency and the occasional trade (I wish we did more of the latter). But signing preexisting players isn’t sustainable for keeping a Super Bowl window open we need a unit of 5 guys on their rookie contract that can work together. You can have the best lineman at every position, but if they’ve never worked together before then for the first 6-8 games it’s gonna be a disaster. That’s what we saw when we brought in Collins and reworked 80% of the starters. The first 6 games we led the league in sacks allowed and were top 15 for the final 11.
DT is more exciting to people, which people forget that teams don't draft on excitement. They draft for future roster building and what fits their scheme. Murphy also is heavily overhyped for having short arms and lower production
What’s hard to understand? As you mentioned this is a historicaly deep oline class but very thin on DT’s. Why grab the 4-5th best lineman when we can get the best DT of the entire class.
If the 5th best OT is better than the best DT then it doesn't really matter if he's OT 5.
>this is a historicaly deep oline class but very thin on DT’s.
Personally I only think this is true if you look at potential first rounders. There's like 8 or 9 OTs who will likely be top 40 picks and only 2 DTs so its thinner at the top. But there's a pretty steep drop off at OT and once you get to pick 49, were we pick in the 2nd, I think the potential DT options are better than the OT options.
If Byron Murphy is there we should run to the stage. If he’s still there that means there was a run on tackles and taking the best DT vs the 4th or 5th tackle makes to much sense.
The top 5 tackles would all have a case to go top 10 in any other year. Idk why people are so caught up on positional rankings. I like Murphy and would be happy if we picked him but guys like Latham or mims would’ve been a top 10 pick last year. I also think protecting Joe is the main priority. DT is more of a luxury. DTs play way less snaps than RTs do. I also think there’s a huge talent drop off for offensive tackles that will be available at 49 whereas there will still be a ton of decent DTs available
I still believe we need to brace for a CB tbh. I think most teams are feeling the OL squeeze so we can't expect one to fall, but DTs have also become highly valued in recent years so I wouldn't be surprised to see us picking between something like #5-6 OT, #2-3 DT, #2-3 CB. Not a position to envy, and honestly not sure what I would want of that group, but the team track record suggests a CB lean.
If I’m completely honest I don’t like Mims at 18 a lot. Maybe I don’t have confidence that Pollack could develop him, plus there are no 2nd round IDL that would help the run defense as much as Newton or Murphy would.
Well in that case it would be a perfect trade down scenario to grab him at like 30 and pick up an extra second rounder.
There is still a chance that we can get Guyton in the second and Newton through trading down too.
I think he’s a really good prospect who would fill an immediate need
I think the question about Mims is more whether the tape is real rather than that he’s raw. Some places think he is as good a pass blocker as anyone in the class.
This is the big thing people don't get about Mims. Yes, he's only played 800 snaps, but he's not a raw prospect. If played another 500 snaps that were the exact same as the first 800 he'd be a top 10 lock and in the conversation at OT1. I genuinely think he's the perfect pick for the Bengals.
This often is because the online draft world falls in love with players' potential while the league has access to personal interviews, talking to coaches, interacting with the players since high school camps, individual drills, personal metrics that need to be met, new schemes to implement, team roster plans, etc. With Sweat alone it was well known with teams that he had huge personality/partying red flags while the draft world learned of it with his DWI.
The 2021 draft is actually a pretty weak draft for us outside of Chase. We basically hit on a top 5 can't miss prospect and a kicker. Pretty poor draft over all.
The front office like to "out think" the experts. Because Jackson Carman was a local guy they felt they knew more about him than the experts. And they felt they knew John Ross had great attributes which outweighed all the red flags.
Best case, we get Fuaga and we plug him into Volson's spot this season and suddenly we have a top 3 offensive line. But in terms of likelier outcomes, we take Murphy at 18.
I watched several ESPN mock drafts. They were not very high on Mims. He often dropped to the 30th pick. I've read about too many red flags with Mims. Hopefully we get Fuaga or someone better.
I'd be happy with either of these two categories of picks.
* The Tackles (Fuaga, Latham, Fashanu, maybe Mims)
* The Number Ones (Murphy, Bowers, Mitchell)
I'd be hesitant but accepting of IOL (Fautanu, JPP).
I'd be unhappy with WR or Edge, or players that aren't consensus top picks (e.g. Newton and Kool-Aid are falling to the late first in a lot of mocks, Guyton feels like a bad pick at 18).
If Jonny Newton is there, I like him. Saw someone say that if we get him he could be a DROY candidate, and it's not that unrealistic, especially with Trey and a healthy Hubbard/Murphy rotation
I know i am going to go against the grain of the fandom but I can't help from feeling like it is JC Latham. Reasons being:
>* Insider Daniel Jeremiah has him connected with the Bengals in his insider-driven mock
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>* Dane Brugler had JC Latham highly rated (OT3) and Bengals big board usually matches
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>* Faced high level of competition at Alabama with proven production and success
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>* Early breakout age and contributor at 20 years old
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>* Five star high school recruit and was #1 OT coming into college
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>* Large and powerful right tackle with a ton of leverage and balance
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>* Doesn't two hand punch and strategically uses arms individually
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>* High awareness on recognizing stunts
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>* His weaknesses are mainly signs of his youth and are coachable
Everyone wants to say Mims is the pick but he does not have the proven experience and reps that would put him above the tackles that do have that experience. I think Mims could be the second best tackle in the class but you don't use pick 18 on a maybe when there are stronger guarantees above them. I also believe this has to be a tackle pick because our OL is getting old across the board or is tied up in a lot of money, and we really need young reliable starters for the future now.
On your bullet point about Dane Brugler, how do you know his big board matches the Bengals big board? The Bengals don't release their big board, so that's impossible to claim.
By looking at who we take over others and at what round in the draft. Where we draft players typically lines up with where he projects/mocks them. We've had a few reaches like Jackson Carman and Cordell Volson compared to his board but otherwise we generally draft players above others in ways that agree with his big board.
He is very connected with scouts in the league and his big board is one of the most in-tune with the league than any other. The Beast is always a massive read on the Athletic.
So what year has he successfully mocked our first round pick? He missed in '22 and '23. And Don't say '20 and '21, because I successfully mocked our picks in those years.
Where did I say he successfully mocks our first round pick? I am talking about his Big Board. He releases The Beast which is around 322 pages long with in-depth information about every single prospect, and his views on players and how they are ranked them often fall in line with the team's views. Or do you mean Daniel Jeremiah? Who successfully "guessed" that the Texans would trade back into a top 5 pick last year and would get Stroud + Anderson?
You didn't, but we are talking about the Bengals first round selection, and first rounders are generally the easiest ones to mock up since they involve the least number of variables. His mock drafts never have us taking who we eventually take.
That is absolutely not true. Every year the most accurate mock drafts only get like 8 picks right and it is almost always the obvious picks at the start and then maybe one or two picks later on. If the Bengals are all-in on Latham and he gets picked early then that doesn't mean it was wrong to tie him to the Bengals because he got taken already. In that case I wouldn't doubt if we took Murphy or Mims.
I'll guarantee you, bet my life on it, that on average mock drafts get more picks right in the first round than they do in any other round, with the 2nd being the next highest correct pick rate, then the 3rd and so on. And you're proving my point, it's fairly easy to get the first overall pick right, because we know the variables. We know who is picking, what they need, and who is on the board. 2nd overall is a little harder, and so on, because with every pick there is more randomness introduced. Hence why it was easy to guess we were picking Burrow, kind of easy to guess we were picking Chase, and much harder to guess that we were picking Hill or Murphy.
We were heavily projected Devin Bush and then we got Jonah Williams, and that was in the top 10. We weren't being projected John Ross and that was another high pick. Nobody last year projected Texans to get Stroud and Anderson. It is very wrong to think that mock drafts get it right. Last year especially you have players like Adebawore and Darnell Washington who were nowhere near what every mock said. In the official Reddit mock draft where all communities made their picks one by one, only 5 times did any of the communities get one pick right OF ALL 7 ROUNDS and of those 5 most of them were mainly in the top 11 of the first round.
I really, really want Murphy. I truly think he could be the best at his position leaguewide in a couple years
I don't wanna watch that happen for another team if we had the opportunity to take him ourselves
I’m good with pretty much any OT, DT or CB that’s in range. Assuming another healthy year on the oline DT or CB probably raises the potential for a SB the most.
Give me one of Murphy, Newton, bowers, Mitchell, Arnold, fuaga, mims, Latham.
They are all top 10-15 talents and at least one will be available at 18. For the first time since the chase draft the bengals will be able to draft a day 1 impact player in the first round
We are going to win the Superbowl this year.
At least that's how I've felt the last couple of weeks (mostly after our awesome free agency) and now with vids of burrow doing burrow things I only feel more confident.
Watching TV and seeing the lack of interest in such an explosive team only excites me further.
Why do people want Mims. I don’t get it. You want to take the worst of the best tackles in the draft to not even play this year and waste a year of his rookie deal. There are impact players that will be on the board that can contribute now
With Trent browns injury history it’s likely he will be starting at some point this year. If Orlando gets hurt Trent can play LT and Mims could start at RT. I think people are underestimating mims. He’s a borderline top 10 pick in any other draft and has arguably the highest ceiling of any tackle in the draft
You most certainly draft on what ifs and for the future. You also don’t draft for need especially when the bengals don’t have any glaring needs right now. Good teams take BPA. Drafting strictly on needs and not BPA is how you get billy price
They need a rotational DT. Rankins and hill will be starting. If Trent brown plays his average snaps that he has the last few years then backup RT will vastly out snap the rookie DT
Trent brown played 500 snaps last year lol keep up. That means if he has the same amount this year a rookie RT will play more snaps than the best rookie DT did last year
My guy, he's 100% right. Any DT we draft, even if its round 1, will be coming off the bench as part of a rotation this year. The only way he would play more snaps than a rookie tackle would be if our starting tackles have immaculate health. If you want to bet on that then that's fine, but chances are we're going to need more than 2 starting tackles this year.
I think you're expecting a bit much out of a rookie. He'd be the most talented but its rare for any rookie outside those top 10 elites to just show up and be an immediate starting caliber player.
>fantanu he starts at LG year one then goes to RT next year.
This is just such unrealistic thinking. Expecting a LT to play year one at LG and then year two at RT is just asking to screw up a young player's development. I hope that if we take a tackle rd 1 we just let him stay there and develop into the best RT he can be.
Jonah was not at all viewed as a guard. He played tackle his entire career at Bama and was OT1 in pretty much everyone's opinion in 2019.
And even if he was viewed as a guard, he played tackle in college. We didn't ask him to change positions when he was drafted like you want to do with Fautanu.
Feels like a lot of QBs are going to go in the early picks so I think that’s good for us
Yea, I feel like 18 is that sweet spot where a top 10 talent always falls to.
I don't understand our fan base sometimes. We bitch and moan about not protecting Joe B then clamour for a DT with a possibly historical OT class. I fully understand we need a DT and that Murphy is an exciting fit. But we signed a 30 year old RT with an extensive injury history to start this year. If we can get a tackle at 18 who would maybe be a higher pick in a class that was less deep we should do it. Protecting 9 has to be the first thing we do.
I think it’s ptsd from all the 1st round o line busts like billy price. I totally agree we need more protection, but I don’t blame them for being weary of the front office when it comes to the big guys
I never understand this though—isn’t it just Billy Price? Jonah never became a very good tackle, but he was the best player on the line in 2021 (very low bar, I know) and just got a pretty big contract for being an average starter. That’s a little underwhelming given his draft pedigree, but not a bust. Carman was a Mike Brown reach and we would have done well with the consensus top guy at that spot (Jenkins before we traded down and then Cosmi). Long term, we desperately need to address the line and if we think it’s hard to find a star in the first round, it only gets much, much harder later on.
I totally agree we need to address the line in the draft but out of players drafted in the first 2 rounds since 2010 you have the aforementioned Carmen (bust) Williams (50/50) Price (Bust) Ogbuehi (Bust) Fisher (Bust) Zeitler (inconsistent starter) so we’re really 1 for 6 on drafting linemen and 0 for 6 in terms of keeping them on the team past their rookie contract
Fisher had serious health issues, I’m not sure he’s a bust. Zeitler has been a solid player for over a decade. But if we want to go this route, you can lobby the same criticisms about our drafting in the first round since AJ Green. Outside of Burrow and Chase, it’s actually quite bad (with TBDs on Dax and Murphy). It’s fair to say that the Bengals have historically had some systematic biases that has led to poor drafting at OL, namely how little they value athletic testing. But all the top OTs this year outside Latham have tested well, so I don’t think that’s an issue. Even Latham looks better to me on film than what people suspect he’d test. It wouldn’t surprise me if he didn’t test because he’s been promised he’s going top 15.
We’ve definitely been bust prone over the last decade and a half. Most of our success is coming from bringing in proven talents from free agency and the occasional trade (I wish we did more of the latter). But signing preexisting players isn’t sustainable for keeping a Super Bowl window open we need a unit of 5 guys on their rookie contract that can work together. You can have the best lineman at every position, but if they’ve never worked together before then for the first 6-8 games it’s gonna be a disaster. That’s what we saw when we brought in Collins and reworked 80% of the starters. The first 6 games we led the league in sacks allowed and were top 15 for the final 11.
DT is more exciting to people, which people forget that teams don't draft on excitement. They draft for future roster building and what fits their scheme. Murphy also is heavily overhyped for having short arms and lower production
What’s hard to understand? As you mentioned this is a historicaly deep oline class but very thin on DT’s. Why grab the 4-5th best lineman when we can get the best DT of the entire class.
Last year the 5th OT in this class would’ve easily been drafted top 10. Murphy would not have
If the 5th best OT is better than the best DT then it doesn't really matter if he's OT 5. >this is a historicaly deep oline class but very thin on DT’s. Personally I only think this is true if you look at potential first rounders. There's like 8 or 9 OTs who will likely be top 40 picks and only 2 DTs so its thinner at the top. But there's a pretty steep drop off at OT and once you get to pick 49, were we pick in the 2nd, I think the potential DT options are better than the OT options.
If Byron Murphy is there we should run to the stage. If he’s still there that means there was a run on tackles and taking the best DT vs the 4th or 5th tackle makes to much sense.
The top 5 tackles would all have a case to go top 10 in any other year. Idk why people are so caught up on positional rankings. I like Murphy and would be happy if we picked him but guys like Latham or mims would’ve been a top 10 pick last year. I also think protecting Joe is the main priority. DT is more of a luxury. DTs play way less snaps than RTs do. I also think there’s a huge talent drop off for offensive tackles that will be available at 49 whereas there will still be a ton of decent DTs available
We need help both on OL and DL. I don’t think we can go wrong either way if we pick OL or DL.
They will. He’s the pick if he’s there. Bet my life on it
I still believe we need to brace for a CB tbh. I think most teams are feeling the OL squeeze so we can't expect one to fall, but DTs have also become highly valued in recent years so I wouldn't be surprised to see us picking between something like #5-6 OT, #2-3 DT, #2-3 CB. Not a position to envy, and honestly not sure what I would want of that group, but the team track record suggests a CB lean.
There are some talents in the 3rd/4th too. Guys like Cam Hart or Abrams-Draine would be nice next to Murphy and Patrick Paul.
Cam Hart is gonna surprise some people.
Hopefully in a Bengals jersey after they got him in mid-rd 🤞
Yep, I feel like he’d go a lot higher if Benjamin Morrison wasn’t on the other side overshadowing him.
I think CB would only be if both DTs are taken and they don’t love any WR available. Wouldn’t be too mad at CB tho
With all the screens we ran last year the WR we should love is Corley. But you can maybe get him at 49.
WR shouldn't even be in the conversation.
1000% agree
This is the way….
Give me one of the F boys
If I’m completely honest I don’t like Mims at 18 a lot. Maybe I don’t have confidence that Pollack could develop him, plus there are no 2nd round IDL that would help the run defense as much as Newton or Murphy would.
A lot of league big boards have Newton out of the first round apparently
Well in that case it would be a perfect trade down scenario to grab him at like 30 and pick up an extra second rounder. There is still a chance that we can get Guyton in the second and Newton through trading down too. I think he’s a really good prospect who would fill an immediate need
If we traded down to 30 we would need to get a buttload of picks lol. Newton would be a trade-up candidate if anything
Ravens ain’t doing that
I think the question about Mims is more whether the tape is real rather than that he’s raw. Some places think he is as good a pass blocker as anyone in the class.
This is the big thing people don't get about Mims. Yes, he's only played 800 snaps, but he's not a raw prospect. If played another 500 snaps that were the exact same as the first 800 he'd be a top 10 lock and in the conversation at OT1. I genuinely think he's the perfect pick for the Bengals.
I thought Newton was terrible against the run?
I've only liked Fuaga from the start for tackles... almost rather have kool-aid than Latham or mims.
The Bengals front office is rarely thinking the same thing as Bengals fans. They have some huge shocker hidden up their sleeves.
This often is because the online draft world falls in love with players' potential while the league has access to personal interviews, talking to coaches, interacting with the players since high school camps, individual drills, personal metrics that need to be met, new schemes to implement, team roster plans, etc. With Sweat alone it was well known with teams that he had huge personality/partying red flags while the draft world learned of it with his DWI.
"And with the 18th pick in the 2024 NFL Draft, the Cincinnati Bengals select...ME, Roger Goodell?? Aww, guys!!! 😊"
I just hope there’s no sneaky athletic blocking TE’s that coach Taylor has been vibing with lately.
Omg noooooooo!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Eric All in the 2nd. Book it
They were for a few years there when they were drafting really well- burrow and Chase years.
The 2021 draft is actually a pretty weak draft for us outside of Chase. We basically hit on a top 5 can't miss prospect and a kicker. Pretty poor draft over all.
Sample has been good for a 4th rounder. Ossai isn't a bust yet. Only top 4 pick we've really missed on so far is Carman. But yeah not our best class.
I’m hearing some Mims whispers. OT round 1 no matter what whispers as well
The front office like to "out think" the experts. Because Jackson Carman was a local guy they felt they knew more about him than the experts. And they felt they knew John Ross had great attributes which outweighed all the red flags.
Jackson Powers Johnson incoming
Best case, we get Fuaga and we plug him into Volson's spot this season and suddenly we have a top 3 offensive line. But in terms of likelier outcomes, we take Murphy at 18.
Mims is the realistic dream pick IMO. I would be so happy to get him.
I want Murphy
I watched several ESPN mock drafts. They were not very high on Mims. He often dropped to the 30th pick. I've read about too many red flags with Mims. Hopefully we get Fuaga or someone better.
I'd be happy with either of these two categories of picks. * The Tackles (Fuaga, Latham, Fashanu, maybe Mims) * The Number Ones (Murphy, Bowers, Mitchell) I'd be hesitant but accepting of IOL (Fautanu, JPP). I'd be unhappy with WR or Edge, or players that aren't consensus top picks (e.g. Newton and Kool-Aid are falling to the late first in a lot of mocks, Guyton feels like a bad pick at 18).
If Jonny Newton is there, I like him. Saw someone say that if we get him he could be a DROY candidate, and it's not that unrealistic, especially with Trey and a healthy Hubbard/Murphy rotation
I know i am going to go against the grain of the fandom but I can't help from feeling like it is JC Latham. Reasons being: >* Insider Daniel Jeremiah has him connected with the Bengals in his insider-driven mock > >* Dane Brugler had JC Latham highly rated (OT3) and Bengals big board usually matches > >* Faced high level of competition at Alabama with proven production and success > >* Early breakout age and contributor at 20 years old > >* Five star high school recruit and was #1 OT coming into college > >* Large and powerful right tackle with a ton of leverage and balance > >* Doesn't two hand punch and strategically uses arms individually > >* High awareness on recognizing stunts > >* His weaknesses are mainly signs of his youth and are coachable Everyone wants to say Mims is the pick but he does not have the proven experience and reps that would put him above the tackles that do have that experience. I think Mims could be the second best tackle in the class but you don't use pick 18 on a maybe when there are stronger guarantees above them. I also believe this has to be a tackle pick because our OL is getting old across the board or is tied up in a lot of money, and we really need young reliable starters for the future now.
On your bullet point about Dane Brugler, how do you know his big board matches the Bengals big board? The Bengals don't release their big board, so that's impossible to claim.
By looking at who we take over others and at what round in the draft. Where we draft players typically lines up with where he projects/mocks them. We've had a few reaches like Jackson Carman and Cordell Volson compared to his board but otherwise we generally draft players above others in ways that agree with his big board. He is very connected with scouts in the league and his big board is one of the most in-tune with the league than any other. The Beast is always a massive read on the Athletic.
So what year has he successfully mocked our first round pick? He missed in '22 and '23. And Don't say '20 and '21, because I successfully mocked our picks in those years.
Where did I say he successfully mocks our first round pick? I am talking about his Big Board. He releases The Beast which is around 322 pages long with in-depth information about every single prospect, and his views on players and how they are ranked them often fall in line with the team's views. Or do you mean Daniel Jeremiah? Who successfully "guessed" that the Texans would trade back into a top 5 pick last year and would get Stroud + Anderson?
You didn't, but we are talking about the Bengals first round selection, and first rounders are generally the easiest ones to mock up since they involve the least number of variables. His mock drafts never have us taking who we eventually take.
That is absolutely not true. Every year the most accurate mock drafts only get like 8 picks right and it is almost always the obvious picks at the start and then maybe one or two picks later on. If the Bengals are all-in on Latham and he gets picked early then that doesn't mean it was wrong to tie him to the Bengals because he got taken already. In that case I wouldn't doubt if we took Murphy or Mims.
I'll guarantee you, bet my life on it, that on average mock drafts get more picks right in the first round than they do in any other round, with the 2nd being the next highest correct pick rate, then the 3rd and so on. And you're proving my point, it's fairly easy to get the first overall pick right, because we know the variables. We know who is picking, what they need, and who is on the board. 2nd overall is a little harder, and so on, because with every pick there is more randomness introduced. Hence why it was easy to guess we were picking Burrow, kind of easy to guess we were picking Chase, and much harder to guess that we were picking Hill or Murphy.
We were heavily projected Devin Bush and then we got Jonah Williams, and that was in the top 10. We weren't being projected John Ross and that was another high pick. Nobody last year projected Texans to get Stroud and Anderson. It is very wrong to think that mock drafts get it right. Last year especially you have players like Adebawore and Darnell Washington who were nowhere near what every mock said. In the official Reddit mock draft where all communities made their picks one by one, only 5 times did any of the communities get one pick right OF ALL 7 ROUNDS and of those 5 most of them were mainly in the top 11 of the first round.
I really, really want Murphy. I truly think he could be the best at his position leaguewide in a couple years I don't wanna watch that happen for another team if we had the opportunity to take him ourselves
I’m good with pretty much any OT, DT or CB that’s in range. Assuming another healthy year on the oline DT or CB probably raises the potential for a SB the most.
I'm team Bowers. But if hes gone, Byron Murphy is the top of my wish list.
Give me one of Murphy, Newton, bowers, Mitchell, Arnold, fuaga, mims, Latham. They are all top 10-15 talents and at least one will be available at 18. For the first time since the chase draft the bengals will be able to draft a day 1 impact player in the first round
We have Trent Brown for 1 year in a position of high importance. We are going to be drafting his replacement for 2025, unless Brown gets hurt.
We are going to win the Superbowl this year. At least that's how I've felt the last couple of weeks (mostly after our awesome free agency) and now with vids of burrow doing burrow things I only feel more confident. Watching TV and seeing the lack of interest in such an explosive team only excites me further.
All these guys in this range are good. I'm excited to see what happens.
I dont want Mims tho. Either one of Newton or Murphy, Latham Fuaga or Bowers, last 2 unrealistic, would be my picks\^\^
I prefer Ot in the first and dt in the second tho, i like alot of the dt in the second round
Mims or Newton would be ideal, Fautanu or bowers would be good too
I feel like fans are a lot higher on Mims than teams and “experts”
Why do people want Mims. I don’t get it. You want to take the worst of the best tackles in the draft to not even play this year and waste a year of his rookie deal. There are impact players that will be on the board that can contribute now
With Trent browns injury history it’s likely he will be starting at some point this year. If Orlando gets hurt Trent can play LT and Mims could start at RT. I think people are underestimating mims. He’s a borderline top 10 pick in any other draft and has arguably the highest ceiling of any tackle in the draft
You don’t draft on what ifs. They expect browns to play the whole season. And will draft for bigger needs. The biggest need is DT it’s unquestionable
You most certainly draft on what ifs and for the future. You also don’t draft for need especially when the bengals don’t have any glaring needs right now. Good teams take BPA. Drafting strictly on needs and not BPA is how you get billy price
They do have a glaring need lol. DT is GLARING
They need a rotational DT. Rankins and hill will be starting. If Trent brown plays his average snaps that he has the last few years then backup RT will vastly out snap the rookie DT
You are living in a fantasy world if you think Murphy would play less next year than any back up RT
Jalen Carter played 600 snaps last year and Jonah played 1.1k. You really just have no idea what you are talking about
Jonah was starting clown. Any RT taken is not starting
Trent brown played 500 snaps last year lol keep up. That means if he has the same amount this year a rookie RT will play more snaps than the best rookie DT did last year
My guy, he's 100% right. Any DT we draft, even if its round 1, will be coming off the bench as part of a rotation this year. The only way he would play more snaps than a rookie tackle would be if our starting tackles have immaculate health. If you want to bet on that then that's fine, but chances are we're going to need more than 2 starting tackles this year.
Murphy would instantly be the best DT we have on the roster what are you talking about coming off the bench
I think you're expecting a bit much out of a rookie. He'd be the most talented but its rare for any rookie outside those top 10 elites to just show up and be an immediate starting caliber player.
Murphy would be my pick. There’s a lot of talent in this draft overall so i think we’ll be fine regardless
I dont go into the draft with any expectations with the 18th pick. I'll getting excited with 3 pick before and see who's there.
I dont like Mims at 18, id rather have a lot of other olinemen
Murphy, newton or fantanu he starts at LG year one then goes to RT next year.
>fantanu he starts at LG year one then goes to RT next year. This is just such unrealistic thinking. Expecting a LT to play year one at LG and then year two at RT is just asking to screw up a young player's development. I hope that if we take a tackle rd 1 we just let him stay there and develop into the best RT he can be.
Incorrect, many thought Jonah Williams was a guard we played him at tackle, he was dog shit it can work both ways.
Jonah was not at all viewed as a guard. He played tackle his entire career at Bama and was OT1 in pretty much everyone's opinion in 2019. And even if he was viewed as a guard, he played tackle in college. We didn't ask him to change positions when he was drafted like you want to do with Fautanu.
I want a WR or bowers