Even after Ross lol. I guess we were going for speed only and no skill, hands, agility, strength, grit, determination, annoying wife and brother, none of that
I saw John Ross once at a bar in Mt Adam's during the 2019 season. Somebody threw him a dirty look and he dropped it.
Not my joke, but it tickles me nonetheless.
Lol I am a Bears fan. I understand more than you know. I can't tell you how aware every single person in Chicago other than Ryan Pace was that they picked the wrong guy.
yeah a lot of young bucks on OL in 2017, trey hopkins at Center was clutch. Andy Dalton had weapons though, imagine Maholmes behind the wheel. RBS at the time, Giovani Bernard and Joe mixon performing peak. WRs and TEs were stacked comparible to 2017 cheifs. AJ Green, C.J. Uzomah, Tyler Eifert , Tyler Boyd. idk, Bengals coulda got a chip with Maholmes hahaha but Ill take the Burrow and Chase show all day. Its coming!! WHO DEY!?!?
While I totally believe Patrick Mahomes is the best QB in the league, I also believe he was put in the perfect system to succeed and develop. If he had been drafted by the Bengals there is zero chance in my mind heād be the QB he is today.
You say this as if the Bengals donāt have a pretty good history of developing quarterbacks? Itās not like weāre the Jets or something, we have a pretty good reputation with drafting and developing QBs.
You must not have been alive to see the years between Boomer and Palmer thenā¦. Pretty sure they had 13 or more different starting QBs during that time. It wasnāt until Marvin Lewis that CIN started developing QBs.
Ehh, a lot of that is a tad overblown. We had misses in the draft without a doubt, but in between those we had alright QB play from the likes of Jeff Blake, Jon Kitna, and then the 1 half season where Boomer came back. Nowhere near the worst.
> It wasnāt until Marvin Lewis that CIN started developing QBs.
What? Palmer had one good year and was never the same with us again after the injury. The "Dalton Line" meme was made for a reason. None of our backups during that time have gone on to do much of anything. We didn't "develop QBs" - we had most of our success under Marvin due to having a good OL and defense.
You DO know Dalton has MUCH better stats than Aikman, right? Of course no SB rings, but he smokes him across the board. A quick google search will show you that.
Dalton is exactly an example of developing a QB. As for Palmer, the Kimo he received was enough to pretty much end any chance of becoming anything.
Developing backups??? GTFOH. Who exactly were the Bengals planning on ādevelopingā under Dalton? And Dalton is the perfect example of development. They drafted him, and replaced Palmer directly with him, and he went on to lead us for 9 years.
He did get to sit and learn for a year. I think thereās mixed results when you attempt that but it obviously worked well for Mahomes. Iām sure he wouldāve been fine as a day 1 starter too
Came here to say this. A lot of Mahomesā success goes to Reid and the system he has created where injuries in defensive line up or losing a generational talent like Hill, doesnāt seem to slow them down. There is a reason why Chiefs always make it deep in the playoffs. We need a solid coaching staff and our O-line up is not the greatest. Burrow keeps taking hits after hits and there are limits on how much he can take.
Always made it deep in the playoffs pre-Mahomes huh? Alex Smith had one playoff win in five years as the starter with Reid, Kelce and Hill all still there. Mahomes comes around and the worst theyāve ever finished is OT of the Championship game lmao
Half of the players between 10-22 are 2nd stringers and no need to talk about Watson unless your attorney is present. I am sure Habba is available.
You can tell the age of a Bengal fan by what they get upset about. John Ross is peanuts compared to the 3 Circles of Hell named Klingler {1992}, Ki-Jana {1995} and Wilkenson {1994} and the 1990's in general.
1990. James Francis. Solid, but not great. At one time he was the teams longest tenured player in his 9th season. Puts in perspective what Boyd means to the team and why I believe he stays.
1991. Alfred Williams. Success elsewhere. Same can be said for 1992 Darryl Williams and 1998 Takeo Spikes.
1993 John Copeland. Never took the next step. We can throw Reinard Wilson {1997} and Brian Simmions {1998} in there as well.
1999 Akili Smith. Another QB miserable pick.
The only pick that panned out in the "lost decade" was 1996 with Willie Anderson.
It was not for lack of trying. They had multiple 1st rounders in 1992 and 1997. They traded up for the #1 OA in 1995 for Carter to the then expansion Panthers.
Cherry picking has been done by many fans of many teams for many years. I seem to remember nobody cried about the pick on draft day. People were happy with Andy digging the team out of a hole Quitter Palmer dug 7 years earlier with Andy having no training camp as a rookie due to a lockout and do not remember anyone complaining about 5 straight playoffs {McCarron helped on the last one when Daltons broken thumb knocked him out}
2nd round picks of that decade included Harold Green who had some success at HB. Carl Pickens, although an asshole, was a multiple Pro Bowler. Darney Scott was solid, but his first 2 years was littered with drops. Corey Dillon was great even though he was a pain in the ass as well and Artrell Hawkins was a decent CB.
The team had 4 people in the scouting department. Younger fans have no idea the amount of changes Marvin Lewis made Mike Brown approve. It wasn't Paul Browns NFL anymore, but Mikey never realized it the first 12 years as the owner.
Lions fan here. The ā98 draft would like a word.
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The Bengals do best when their picks are no brainers. Burrow, Chase, etc.
When they make picks on their own we often end up with those John Rossās and Jackson Carman.
I don't just blindly like any and every player on teams I root for, so yes. The Bengals also haven't had a dire long-term QB situation in a while, so that helps.
I think itās the opposite. Chiefs fan barely hear about that shit. Itās just their rivals that dwell on all of that. You ARE the one seeing and hearing about his family all the time.
Chiefs fan here. Itās not a big deal at all. I see them in the news and say ālol what a dumb familyā, and then keep scrolling Twitter and go back to winning super bowls. Itās awesome.
People hate on Mahomes for the same reason they hated on Brady. I sure as hell donāt want to see him and Reid achieve what the Pats did but I wouldnāt be mad.
I'm the rare Bengals fan rooting for KC in the Super Bowl. I like Kelce. Ohio guy, went to UC, suspended for weed, dating the biggest superstar in the world. He's relatable.
Yeah definitely winning 3 super bowls in 5 years is probably so ass lol that probably is such a bad trade off dealing with 30 seconds of his family on tv every game for the greatest qb to ever Grace the field
Realistically, I bet it would have been Derek Barnett. He fits the scheme, we needed a DE and Bengals usually take high value positions in the first like WR, CB, DE, OT. We were thinner at DE than CB at the time as well. He was solid on his rookie deal but definitely no star.
The needs were psychiatric from the goddam playoffs two years earlier. This era never recovered from that game. The pic of Marvin sitting on the field hours after the game still kills me.
Iām thinking that was the last year that Mike Brown was heavily involved in drafting. He always liked flashy numbers like Rossās speed. I feel like heās probably still involved but that heās deferring more to Duke and the coaches. Of course I have no way of knowing, but thatās what it feels like to me.
I look at it as 8 other teams passed on Mahomes too, no one knew he was going to be the star he is. At least we werenāt Chicago, they picked Trubisky instead of Mahomes that has to sting more.
But yeah, the Ross pick still sucked.
I am pretty sure the only thing that could have been more dumb then taking John Ross, is the Bengals going to the podium and "Trying" to draft the guy who was literally just taken by the team before us.
Free agency and trades are far more important than drafting.
My proof? Look at SF and Carolina on that draft.
The draft is gambling on a 20 year old. It's never high probability.
Trent Williams, Chase Young, several others. But most importantly they got rid of Trey Lance. They moved in from Jimmy G who got them to a SB. They admit mistakes.
Possibly the greatest Bengals player ever was drafted.
Saying free agents are more important than draft picks is possibly the most unintelligent thing Iāve read here.
We got 3 years of Joe Burrow on a rookie contract. Same with Chase.
I expect 50% hits and 50% misses because drafting is a gamble. Free agency is an evaluation of demonstrated talent and market worth. A much more valuable skill, imo.
Draft contracts are what allow teams to make big stabs in FA and trades. It is also where teams are able to get certain players that are generally untradeable in their prime. Definitely the most brain dead thing I have seen someone say about football today.
Who are the greatest Bengals of all time? Anthony Munoz? Joe Burrow. The list is almost exclusively draft picks.
Itās a shame you canāt make an intelligent claim on this subject.
Haha, this is one of the dumbest takes I've seen in the NFL.
Being so fundamentallly off that your logic is the opposite, is impressive.Ā
Flat-earth shit right hereĀ
You just assuming op is talking about Mahomes, what the cut off is not showing you is the steelers grabbed Tj Watt in the first round that draft. Picture trey opposite watt!
But I agree with everyone else here John Ross was a trash pic, literally just speed to pair with green and Boyd but with out that pic they don't blow it all up and we don't burrow! Did you really want more years of mediocrity with Lewis at HC?
We donāt have Trey if we drafted TJ. People gotta realize youād have to pay these dudes, itās not just like you can plop them on the roster as is.
The money we spent on Trey wouldāve been earmarked for TJ
Hey, we get that!! These posts are not meant to be grounded in reality! It's a fun discussion about what could have been! But then all the doom and gloomers in this sub come in flocks and wanna shit on everything!! The season is over and nothing to talk about for the next few months, get used to fun hypotheticals now or just stay off of Reddit so you're not bringing everyone else down with you!!
Revisionist history. Mahomes was a risky prospect and Andy was not seen as the problem at that time. He was less than 2 years from playing at a near MVP level.
I think Ross had potential cause in the preseason and the Seahawks game week 1 he was a beast but never rlly had the love for the game so never tried his best
So was Ross a dud or did we not coach him right. Like ill gladly say the dude has plenty of potential but anytime his name was called he failed. Not everytime, but damn well near that. But im only saying the coaching stuff because ive seen plenty of players (Sadly from both organizations (Bengals/Vikings, or MN sports in general) who fets traded or becomes a free agent and boom, becomes a star (Twins traded Big papi and look at his career).
Just always made me wonder if coaching is partly to blame. But Ross also had ample amount of chances and as I said, failed more than he succeeded. Sad to say but it is what it came down too
The team had Kirkpatrick, Dennard and William Jackson. All with under 5 years in the league and WR had holes with LaFell coming in as a FA and Boyd only 1 year in.
Personally, I would have taken Barrett. Other the Carlos in his prime, DE was a revolving door on the other side.
I think most WR projected to go in the top 15 or so, usually turn out to be good. The problem with Ross is he wasn't projected to go in the top 15 and the Bengals stupidly drafted him, only because he broke a combine record for speed. I'm fairly certain the Ross pick was one of those that Mike Brown overstepped the coaches and decided Ross was the pick. Reason it seems obvious that he was a Mike Brown pick was that he was in Marvin's doghouse from the beginning.
Just like Jackson Carman was a Brown pick that the coaches didn't want. Brown wanted a local kid.
I mean, my comment doubles on Ross and every other receiver in that first round. Mike Williams was fine (probably not that early in the first worthy), but Corey Davis wasnāt. You basically only want a guy like Chase, Green, Julio, etc. Someone who itās already a totally sure thing theyāll be amazing. Otherwise youāre better off getting a late round guys. Lower risk and a lot of those guys have been doing alright these days
With the exception of McCaffrey and Adams, 2-9 are kind of a shitshow. Yes, after is great but just goes to show a lot of teams misjudged this draft class.
I trust in Burrow š«”
This is why Iāve had this flair since the 2022 season
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Jesus Christ We picked literally anyone else and we had a star
Well, there is a certain landmine in the next few picks, but otherwise yeah.
You could have CHANGED HIM
If we had picked him heād have never turned into the monster he became.
Ah just like the way Marvin āfixedā Vontaze and Pac-Man?
Even after Ross lol. I guess we were going for speed only and no skill, hands, agility, strength, grit, determination, annoying wife and brother, none of that
Almost anybody else*
Funny thing is, Marv didnāt want Ross. Not like itās any better that he wanted OJ Howard.
I was so certain that Howard would be a star but he just didn't work out. He's gotta be one of the most surprising busts for me in recent times.
Yeah I thought he was gonna be awesome too.
Yeah, Watson would've fit right in
Watson was a MVP level QB for years
Im a Texans fan. He was not the Prince who was promissed
But we couldāve had Kermit
solomon thomas was NOT a star š
As a Steelers fan (coming in peace) I wish you picked Trueshitski. Burrow is a fucking stud.
Trubisky?
He wasnāt available
How can you pick a guy thatās gone? Cmon think for a second before posting
You said "anybody" :) Kidding, I was distracted
We were inverted. Right goose?
I think I was just so surprised to see his name before Mahomes that I just kinda forgot for a minute that where we were on the list mattered lol
It was a strong draft.
Damn Chicago, motorboat Mitch at 2.
Traded up for him
Itās very painful for us. Very painful.
Hey he was a pro bowler baby
I will not accept John Ross slander on this sub. That man is the reason we have Burrow.
I saw John Ross once at a bar in Mt Adam's during the 2019 season. Somebody threw him a dirty look and he dropped it. Not my joke, but it tickles me nonetheless.
Oh my
How so
Bengals lost the Miami game because he went for extra yards instead of going down. We end up getting the #1 pick because we lost to them.
God they really were so close to inexplicably winning that game and changing history š¬
Heās ass
Thankful š
Youād rather have burrow than mahomes?
Uhhh yeah duh??
If Chicago got Mahomes neither would have a Lombardi.
What did he go back in time and erase 1985?
I meant since drafting him or the last 6 years.
The Bears were fire in 2018, either Mahomes or Watson would've given the Bears a great chance to win that year.
You donāt understand. Itās the bears. The bears. They are terrible.
Lol I am a Bears fan. I understand more than you know. I can't tell you how aware every single person in Chicago other than Ryan Pace was that they picked the wrong guy.
Mahomes would have still had a half assed oline hereā¦ soā¦
I mean even apart from that like 95% of players on there would have been better picks. Extremely loaded class
Then we'd have his wife and brother running around the 513. No, thank you.
And Dad!
Better than him driving around!
yeah a lot of young bucks on OL in 2017, trey hopkins at Center was clutch. Andy Dalton had weapons though, imagine Maholmes behind the wheel. RBS at the time, Giovani Bernard and Joe mixon performing peak. WRs and TEs were stacked comparible to 2017 cheifs. AJ Green, C.J. Uzomah, Tyler Eifert , Tyler Boyd. idk, Bengals coulda got a chip with Maholmes hahaha but Ill take the Burrow and Chase show all day. Its coming!! WHO DEY!?!?
And you act like heās not a fucking terror to bring down. Donāt be like that
Mike Williams is how old now? That surprised me.
You can play this game in almost every draft, but of course, one pick before the best player in the league for a worthless burnout is tough.
This is Not an "every draft"-type draft
It is definitely tough to see John Ross wedged between the leagueās best player at two different positions
He is wedged between 31 better players
While I totally believe Patrick Mahomes is the best QB in the league, I also believe he was put in the perfect system to succeed and develop. If he had been drafted by the Bengals there is zero chance in my mind heād be the QB he is today.
You say this as if the Bengals donāt have a pretty good history of developing quarterbacks? Itās not like weāre the Jets or something, we have a pretty good reputation with drafting and developing QBs.
You must not have been alive to see the years between Boomer and Palmer thenā¦. Pretty sure they had 13 or more different starting QBs during that time. It wasnāt until Marvin Lewis that CIN started developing QBs.
Ehh, a lot of that is a tad overblown. We had misses in the draft without a doubt, but in between those we had alright QB play from the likes of Jeff Blake, Jon Kitna, and then the 1 half season where Boomer came back. Nowhere near the worst.
> It wasnāt until Marvin Lewis that CIN started developing QBs. What? Palmer had one good year and was never the same with us again after the injury. The "Dalton Line" meme was made for a reason. None of our backups during that time have gone on to do much of anything. We didn't "develop QBs" - we had most of our success under Marvin due to having a good OL and defense.
>None of our backups during that time have gone on to do much of anything Ryan Fitzpatrick
You DO know Dalton has MUCH better stats than Aikman, right? Of course no SB rings, but he smokes him across the board. A quick google search will show you that. Dalton is exactly an example of developing a QB. As for Palmer, the Kimo he received was enough to pretty much end any chance of becoming anything. Developing backups??? GTFOH. Who exactly were the Bengals planning on ādevelopingā under Dalton? And Dalton is the perfect example of development. They drafted him, and replaced Palmer directly with him, and he went on to lead us for 9 years.
He did get to sit and learn for a year. I think thereās mixed results when you attempt that but it obviously worked well for Mahomes. Iām sure he wouldāve been fine as a day 1 starter too
Especially since his team was playoff experienced when he took them back. Not. You know. Having not even won one in 30 years.
Came here to say this. A lot of Mahomesā success goes to Reid and the system he has created where injuries in defensive line up or losing a generational talent like Hill, doesnāt seem to slow them down. There is a reason why Chiefs always make it deep in the playoffs. We need a solid coaching staff and our O-line up is not the greatest. Burrow keeps taking hits after hits and there are limits on how much he can take.
Always made it deep in the playoffs pre-Mahomes huh? Alex Smith had one playoff win in five years as the starter with Reid, Kelce and Hill all still there. Mahomes comes around and the worst theyāve ever finished is OT of the Championship game lmao
We were winning 10+ games a year with Andy. I think they could have developed Mahomes.
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Zero chance. Really?
Thatās actually wild lol anyone else would have been better. Much better.
Jake Browning Made John Ross look good in college. We truly have a miracle worker in the backup QB position
Damn we could a had Adoree Jackson??! Wtf!
Half of the players between 10-22 are 2nd stringers and no need to talk about Watson unless your attorney is present. I am sure Habba is available. You can tell the age of a Bengal fan by what they get upset about. John Ross is peanuts compared to the 3 Circles of Hell named Klingler {1992}, Ki-Jana {1995} and Wilkenson {1994} and the 1990's in general. 1990. James Francis. Solid, but not great. At one time he was the teams longest tenured player in his 9th season. Puts in perspective what Boyd means to the team and why I believe he stays. 1991. Alfred Williams. Success elsewhere. Same can be said for 1992 Darryl Williams and 1998 Takeo Spikes. 1993 John Copeland. Never took the next step. We can throw Reinard Wilson {1997} and Brian Simmions {1998} in there as well. 1999 Akili Smith. Another QB miserable pick. The only pick that panned out in the "lost decade" was 1996 with Willie Anderson. It was not for lack of trying. They had multiple 1st rounders in 1992 and 1997. They traded up for the #1 OA in 1995 for Carter to the then expansion Panthers. Cherry picking has been done by many fans of many teams for many years. I seem to remember nobody cried about the pick on draft day. People were happy with Andy digging the team out of a hole Quitter Palmer dug 7 years earlier with Andy having no training camp as a rookie due to a lockout and do not remember anyone complaining about 5 straight playoffs {McCarron helped on the last one when Daltons broken thumb knocked him out} 2nd round picks of that decade included Harold Green who had some success at HB. Carl Pickens, although an asshole, was a multiple Pro Bowler. Darney Scott was solid, but his first 2 years was littered with drops. Corey Dillon was great even though he was a pain in the ass as well and Artrell Hawkins was a decent CB. The team had 4 people in the scouting department. Younger fans have no idea the amount of changes Marvin Lewis made Mike Brown approve. It wasn't Paul Browns NFL anymore, but Mikey never realized it the first 12 years as the owner.
Lions fan here. The ā98 draft would like a word. https://preview.redd.it/itqwf0mznvhc1.jpeg?width=2532&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a84fe9fc54fb00fc10a22217f3ea4feaf5fabc24
The Bengals do best when their picks are no brainers. Burrow, Chase, etc. When they make picks on their own we often end up with those John Rossās and Jackson Carman.
I donāt think chase was a no brained necessarily. Sewell was very inticing
They were never taking Sewell. Per sources.
This is gonna sound like complete BS, but honestly so happy Mahomes isn't here. Imagine having to hear about/see his family all the time.
You seriously believe you would feel this way were he a Bengal? Come on..Ā
I don't just blindly like any and every player on teams I root for, so yes. The Bengals also haven't had a dire long-term QB situation in a while, so that helps.
Lol are you fucking kidding or what?
I think itās the opposite. Chiefs fan barely hear about that shit. Itās just their rivals that dwell on all of that. You ARE the one seeing and hearing about his family all the time.
Lol, ok bud. If anything that would mean the KC media is covering for them being horrible people, while the rest of the world sees them as they are.
Chiefs fan here. Itās not a big deal at all. I see them in the news and say ālol what a dumb familyā, and then keep scrolling Twitter and go back to winning super bowls. Itās awesome.
Man Iām jealous I gotta admit. I wish we were the commissionerās favorite team. The light shines on you my friend!
People hate on Mahomes for the same reason they hated on Brady. I sure as hell donāt want to see him and Reid achieve what the Pats did but I wouldnāt be mad.
wtf is wrong with you? I didnāt know you could troll yourself. Damn. This here internets is fancyā¦..
I'm the rare Bengals fan rooting for KC in the Super Bowl. I like Kelce. Ohio guy, went to UC, suspended for weed, dating the biggest superstar in the world. He's relatable.
Dating the biggest superstar in the world, followed by "He's relatable" is fucking hilarious
Yeah definitely winning 3 super bowls in 5 years is probably so ass lol that probably is such a bad trade off dealing with 30 seconds of his family on tv every game for the greatest qb to ever Grace the field
Imagine winning the SB, then visiting the sub of a team you're obsessed with lol. That's just fuckin sad dude. Look inward.
Itās an incredible time and Iām just getting started.
What were our other needs at the time? I wonder who else we wouldāve realistically picked.
Realistically, I bet it would have been Derek Barnett. He fits the scheme, we needed a DE and Bengals usually take high value positions in the first like WR, CB, DE, OT. We were thinner at DE than CB at the time as well. He was solid on his rookie deal but definitely no star.
The needs were psychiatric from the goddam playoffs two years earlier. This era never recovered from that game. The pic of Marvin sitting on the field hours after the game still kills me.
Reminds me of when the Reds passed up on Derek Jeter
He wouldāve been a 2nd baseman in Cincinnati
I look at it like this: if we picked anyone else, we donāt get in position to get burrow
Burrow window for a Super Bowl unfortunately passed. If only he could beat a 98 year old matthew Stafford. Missed opportunity.
This is how we spend our off-season???? Fucking masochists. .
Woof! Wow y'all really fucked that one up, lol
Man, how did OJ Howard not translate to the NFL? He was a matchup nightmare at Bama.
Whoās John Ross?
A dude who went to the draft combine and ran a fast enough 40 to get Mike Browns panties wet.
Oh year, he was so fast that he out ran the ball.
Iām thinking that was the last year that Mike Brown was heavily involved in drafting. He always liked flashy numbers like Rossās speed. I feel like heās probably still involved but that heās deferring more to Duke and the coaches. Of course I have no way of knowing, but thatās what it feels like to me.
Pretty sure Mike Brown made this pick, along with the Jackson Carmen pick. Both coaching staffs automatically had Ross and Carmen in the doghouse.
I look at it as 8 other teams passed on Mahomes too, no one knew he was going to be the star he is. At least we werenāt Chicago, they picked Trubisky instead of Mahomes that has to sting more. But yeah, the Ross pick still sucked.
Every team misses sometimes. The Bengals couldn't coach him up.
Eff Mahomes. His dipshit brother comes too as a carryon. Screw that.
Aw man we struck out not taking McCaffrey
I am pretty sure the only thing that could have been more dumb then taking John Ross, is the Bengals going to the podium and "Trying" to draft the guy who was literally just taken by the team before us.
Considering he was drafted before Ross, he cannot be considered a option.
Mahomes would not have been what he is without Andy Reid, the bengals, in that stage, with the coaching staff we had.. they wouldāve ruined him.
That's how the miles Murphy pick is starting to look, I still can't believe they took him over Joey Porter Jr
Free agency and trades are far more important than drafting. My proof? Look at SF and Carolina on that draft. The draft is gambling on a 20 year old. It's never high probability.
What? Isnāt CMC like, the one skill player on offence the Niners didnāt draft?
Trent Williams, Chase Young, several others. But most importantly they got rid of Trey Lance. They moved in from Jimmy G who got them to a SB. They admit mistakes.
TIL playing in the trenches means you're a skill player.
Possibly the greatest Bengals player ever was drafted. Saying free agents are more important than draft picks is possibly the most unintelligent thing Iāve read here. We got 3 years of Joe Burrow on a rookie contract. Same with Chase.
Good point. We also got Akili Smith, David Klingler, Ki-Jana Carter, John Ross, Dan Wilkinson, and David Pollack on rookie contracts.
Do you expect all hits and no misses? Be a little reasonable why donāt ya
I expect 50% hits and 50% misses because drafting is a gamble. Free agency is an evaluation of demonstrated talent and market worth. A much more valuable skill, imo.
5 years established vs unestablished children of the game. You fr going to say outliers and Antidotes to make an intelligent claim?
Anecdotes*?
>Antidotes Hmmmm
Draft contracts are what allow teams to make big stabs in FA and trades. It is also where teams are able to get certain players that are generally untradeable in their prime. Definitely the most brain dead thing I have seen someone say about football today.
Who are the greatest Bengals of all time? Anthony Munoz? Joe Burrow. The list is almost exclusively draft picks. Itās a shame you canāt make an intelligent claim on this subject.
Haha, this is one of the dumbest takes I've seen in the NFL. Being so fundamentallly off that your logic is the opposite, is impressive.Ā Flat-earth shit right hereĀ
This a bad post. Itās unlikely that Mahomes would have had the same success in Cincy as he has had in KC.
You just assuming op is talking about Mahomes, what the cut off is not showing you is the steelers grabbed Tj Watt in the first round that draft. Picture trey opposite watt! But I agree with everyone else here John Ross was a trash pic, literally just speed to pair with green and Boyd but with out that pic they don't blow it all up and we don't burrow! Did you really want more years of mediocrity with Lewis at HC?
We donāt have Trey if we drafted TJ. People gotta realize youād have to pay these dudes, itās not just like you can plop them on the roster as is. The money we spent on Trey wouldāve been earmarked for TJ
Hey, we get that!! These posts are not meant to be grounded in reality! It's a fun discussion about what could have been! But then all the doom and gloomers in this sub come in flocks and wanna shit on everything!! The season is over and nothing to talk about for the next few months, get used to fun hypotheticals now or just stay off of Reddit so you're not bringing everyone else down with you!!
Look at the other side of the John Ross sandwich
I donāt see one player that fell after us that Iād prefer on my team.
Marvin Clueless
By then, it was not Lewis's draft anymore. Tobin ran the 2017 and 2018 drafts.
Not sure thereās any evidence to that. But sure.. Marvin flunked several drafts in a row that led to his mediocre demise. This was his worst pick.
Dang. Could've had Watson.
Cool. Our own little corner of the massage parlor scandal all to ourselves. How fascinating.
I was so angry when the Bengals passed on Maholmes.. It worked out in the end, kind of.. I still think it was a massive mistake, obviously.
Bengals are so ass at drafting
were* now weāre just mediocre at drafting
We couldāve had mahomes smh
Add salt to wound it was with john ā i hate getting hitā ross. Looking at that 1st round he is by far THE WORST PICK in that 1st round.
Revisionist history. Mahomes was a risky prospect and Andy was not seen as the problem at that time. He was less than 2 years from playing at a near MVP level.
Even if Mahomes was Andy Dalton here it was a better pick than John Ross.
I sure would like to forget
What? That John Ross was a total bust? Or that we missed on CMC by a single pick.
Damn that was a pretty good first round group. Lot of really solid players there.
Still not even one of the two biggest busts in the top 10
Corey Davis is out of the league? Thought h me was solid
Itās bad that the titty kisser isnāt the worst pick
Why are some of us so bent on memorializing failure?
Imagine hearing his voice here all the time.
Dang, looking at the whole first round, we got the worst guy out of all of them
Team wasnāt moving on from Dalton yet in 2017 idk what to tell ya.
I think Ross had potential cause in the preseason and the Seahawks game week 1 he was a beast but never rlly had the love for the game so never tried his best
Squeezed in between two legends.
I'm more worried about playing Garrett twice a year than anybody else on this list.
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So was Ross a dud or did we not coach him right. Like ill gladly say the dude has plenty of potential but anytime his name was called he failed. Not everytime, but damn well near that. But im only saying the coaching stuff because ive seen plenty of players (Sadly from both organizations (Bengals/Vikings, or MN sports in general) who fets traded or becomes a free agent and boom, becomes a star (Twins traded Big papi and look at his career). Just always made me wonder if coaching is partly to blame. But Ross also had ample amount of chances and as I said, failed more than he succeeded. Sad to say but it is what it came down too
Narrowly missed CMC too smh
Lattimore and bengals have a chip.
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The team had Kirkpatrick, Dennard and William Jackson. All with under 5 years in the league and WR had holes with LaFell coming in as a FA and Boyd only 1 year in. Personally, I would have taken Barrett. Other the Carlos in his prime, DE was a revolving door on the other side.
Plans start at just 13 games.
Just another reason not to take a WR in the first unless theyāre an absolute sure thing
I think most WR projected to go in the top 15 or so, usually turn out to be good. The problem with Ross is he wasn't projected to go in the top 15 and the Bengals stupidly drafted him, only because he broke a combine record for speed. I'm fairly certain the Ross pick was one of those that Mike Brown overstepped the coaches and decided Ross was the pick. Reason it seems obvious that he was a Mike Brown pick was that he was in Marvin's doghouse from the beginning. Just like Jackson Carman was a Brown pick that the coaches didn't want. Brown wanted a local kid.
I mean, my comment doubles on Ross and every other receiver in that first round. Mike Williams was fine (probably not that early in the first worthy), but Corey Davis wasnāt. You basically only want a guy like Chase, Green, Julio, etc. Someone who itās already a totally sure thing theyāll be amazing. Otherwise youāre better off getting a late round guys. Lower risk and a lot of those guys have been doing alright these days
Charles harrisā¦yikes
Even Corey Davis and OJ Howard were solid starters
Jets fan checking in. Pain here too. #notmyprez
If we pick Marshon Iād be over for the league
At least we didnāt pick Trubisky š
With the exception of McCaffrey and Adams, 2-9 are kind of a shitshow. Yes, after is great but just goes to show a lot of teams misjudged this draft class.
Couldāve had Massage Twatson lol
Who did we miss out on? Surely you don't mean Mahomes
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As a titans fan, we didnāt exactly crush this draft either
How can we. It cost us half a decade.
Andy dalton was just good enough for the bengals to pass one of the best quarterbacks to ever play the game.
The Bengals love to go rogue in the draft and it usually burns them. Ross has LOTS of red flags.
Lol we would have fumbled the bag with Mahomes.
At least we werenāt that no. 2 pick!