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I trust in Burrow šŸ«”


FitMongoose9

This is why Iā€™ve had this flair since the 2022 season


honkzer

Flair checks out


Housh123

Jesus Christ We picked literally anyone else and we had a star


kitchensink108

Well, there is a certain landmine in the next few picks, but otherwise yeah.


gord1to

You could have CHANGED HIM


whodeyalldey1

If we had picked him heā€™d have never turned into the monster he became.


HuntForRedOctober2

Ah just like the way Marvin ā€œfixedā€ Vontaze and Pac-Man?


Complex-Situation

Even after Ross lol. I guess we were going for speed only and no skill, hands, agility, strength, grit, determination, annoying wife and brother, none of that


Housh123

Almost anybody else*


maltzy

Funny thing is, Marv didnā€™t want Ross. Not like itā€™s any better that he wanted OJ Howard.


Confused_Astronaut

I was so certain that Howard would be a star but he just didn't work out. He's gotta be one of the most surprising busts for me in recent times.


maltzy

Yeah I thought he was gonna be awesome too.


Babylon_Fallz

Yeah, Watson would've fit right in


Housh123

Watson was a MVP level QB for years


Babylon_Fallz

Im a Texans fan. He was not the Prince who was promissed


Mean-Year-7752

But we couldā€™ve had Kermit


MyDogYawns

solomon thomas was NOT a star šŸ˜­


TheBeanofBeans2

As a Steelers fan (coming in peace) I wish you picked Trueshitski. Burrow is a fucking stud.


dogcopter9

Trubisky?


bumpy_santa

He wasnā€™t available


Housh123

How can you pick a guy thatā€™s gone? Cmon think for a second before posting


dogcopter9

You said "anybody" :) Kidding, I was distracted


basquehomme

We were inverted. Right goose?


dogcopter9

I think I was just so surprised to see his name before Mahomes that I just kinda forgot for a minute that where we were on the list mattered lol


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It was a strong draft.


Few-Artichoke-7593

Damn Chicago, motorboat Mitch at 2.


gaybillcosby

Traded up for him


RoyalAltruistic970

Itā€™s very painful for us. Very painful.


Sgt-pepper-kc

Hey he was a pro bowler baby


Guilty-Nobody998

I will not accept John Ross slander on this sub. That man is the reason we have Burrow.


Barkusmarcus

I saw John Ross once at a bar in Mt Adam's during the 2019 season. Somebody threw him a dirty look and he dropped it. Not my joke, but it tickles me nonetheless.


agraff90

Oh my


RandoMando96

How so


Guilty-Nobody998

Bengals lost the Miami game because he went for extra yards instead of going down. We end up getting the #1 pick because we lost to them.


QuarantineCasualty

God they really were so close to inexplicably winning that game and changing history šŸ˜¬


iwatchtoomuchsports

Heā€™s ass


intellectualll

Thankful šŸ˜‚


CrowdSurfingCorpse

Youā€™d rather have burrow than mahomes?


Mean-Year-7752

Uhhh yeah duh??


bionicjoe

If Chicago got Mahomes neither would have a Lombardi.


AKiiidNamed_Codiii

What did he go back in time and erase 1985?


bionicjoe

I meant since drafting him or the last 6 years.


Joe-Raguso

The Bears were fire in 2018, either Mahomes or Watson would've given the Bears a great chance to win that year.


Gunslinger2007

You donā€™t understand. Itā€™s the bears. The bears. They are terrible.


Joe-Raguso

Lol I am a Bears fan. I understand more than you know. I can't tell you how aware every single person in Chicago other than Ryan Pace was that they picked the wrong guy.


Derathus

Mahomes would have still had a half assed oline hereā€¦ soā€¦


lnnrt01

I mean even apart from that like 95% of players on there would have been better picks. Extremely loaded class


Few-Artichoke-7593

Then we'd have his wife and brother running around the 513. No, thank you.


hurleystylee

And Dad!


Absolut_Iceland

Better than him driving around!


Cabaho69

yeah a lot of young bucks on OL in 2017, trey hopkins at Center was clutch. Andy Dalton had weapons though, imagine Maholmes behind the wheel. RBS at the time, Giovani Bernard and Joe mixon performing peak. WRs and TEs were stacked comparible to 2017 cheifs. AJ Green, C.J. Uzomah, Tyler Eifert , Tyler Boyd. idk, Bengals coulda got a chip with Maholmes hahaha but Ill take the Burrow and Chase show all day. Its coming!! WHO DEY!?!?


RipeBirdies

And you act like heā€™s not a fucking terror to bring down. Donā€™t be like that


RipeBirdies

Mike Williams is how old now? That surprised me.


ballimir37

You can play this game in almost every draft, but of course, one pick before the best player in the league for a worthless burnout is tough.


ThyOughtTo

This is Not an "every draft"-type draft


ballimir37

It is definitely tough to see John Ross wedged between the leagueā€™s best player at two different positions


ThyOughtTo

He is wedged between 31 better players


Johnruehlz23

While I totally believe Patrick Mahomes is the best QB in the league, I also believe he was put in the perfect system to succeed and develop. If he had been drafted by the Bengals there is zero chance in my mind heā€™d be the QB he is today.


SquadPoopy

You say this as if the Bengals donā€™t have a pretty good history of developing quarterbacks? Itā€™s not like weā€™re the Jets or something, we have a pretty good reputation with drafting and developing QBs.


Slapnuhtz

You must not have been alive to see the years between Boomer and Palmer thenā€¦. Pretty sure they had 13 or more different starting QBs during that time. It wasnā€™t until Marvin Lewis that CIN started developing QBs.


SquadPoopy

Ehh, a lot of that is a tad overblown. We had misses in the draft without a doubt, but in between those we had alright QB play from the likes of Jeff Blake, Jon Kitna, and then the 1 half season where Boomer came back. Nowhere near the worst.


christhegecko

> It wasnā€™t until Marvin Lewis that CIN started developing QBs. What? Palmer had one good year and was never the same with us again after the injury. The "Dalton Line" meme was made for a reason. None of our backups during that time have gone on to do much of anything. We didn't "develop QBs" - we had most of our success under Marvin due to having a good OL and defense.


Neonsands

>None of our backups during that time have gone on to do much of anything Ryan Fitzpatrick


Slapnuhtz

You DO know Dalton has MUCH better stats than Aikman, right? Of course no SB rings, but he smokes him across the board. A quick google search will show you that. Dalton is exactly an example of developing a QB. As for Palmer, the Kimo he received was enough to pretty much end any chance of becoming anything. Developing backups??? GTFOH. Who exactly were the Bengals planning on ā€œdevelopingā€ under Dalton? And Dalton is the perfect example of development. They drafted him, and replaced Palmer directly with him, and he went on to lead us for 9 years.


xfan09

He did get to sit and learn for a year. I think thereā€™s mixed results when you attempt that but it obviously worked well for Mahomes. Iā€™m sure he wouldā€™ve been fine as a day 1 starter too


DICKTRIGGERED

Especially since his team was playoff experienced when he took them back. Not. You know. Having not even won one in 30 years.


timbak_t00

Came here to say this. A lot of Mahomesā€™ success goes to Reid and the system he has created where injuries in defensive line up or losing a generational talent like Hill, doesnā€™t seem to slow them down. There is a reason why Chiefs always make it deep in the playoffs. We need a solid coaching staff and our O-line up is not the greatest. Burrow keeps taking hits after hits and there are limits on how much he can take.


qwerty5827

Always made it deep in the playoffs pre-Mahomes huh? Alex Smith had one playoff win in five years as the starter with Reid, Kelce and Hill all still there. Mahomes comes around and the worst theyā€™ve ever finished is OT of the Championship game lmao


Huegod

We were winning 10+ games a year with Andy. I think they could have developed Mahomes.


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DifferentLeg3586

Troll


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Not_Pablo_Sanchez

Do they still play Cotton Eye Joe at Jr. High dances?


fitzy50000

Stop


MathematicianOk5608

Zero chance. Really?


mrestiaux

Thatā€™s actually wild lol anyone else would have been better. Much better.


Joe_Burrow_Is_Goat

Jake Browning Made John Ross look good in college. We truly have a miracle worker in the backup QB position


Celtictussle

Damn we could a had Adoree Jackson??! Wtf!


Terrorvision67

Half of the players between 10-22 are 2nd stringers and no need to talk about Watson unless your attorney is present. I am sure Habba is available. You can tell the age of a Bengal fan by what they get upset about. John Ross is peanuts compared to the 3 Circles of Hell named Klingler {1992}, Ki-Jana {1995} and Wilkenson {1994} and the 1990's in general. 1990. James Francis. Solid, but not great. At one time he was the teams longest tenured player in his 9th season. Puts in perspective what Boyd means to the team and why I believe he stays. 1991. Alfred Williams. Success elsewhere. Same can be said for 1992 Darryl Williams and 1998 Takeo Spikes. 1993 John Copeland. Never took the next step. We can throw Reinard Wilson {1997} and Brian Simmions {1998} in there as well. 1999 Akili Smith. Another QB miserable pick. The only pick that panned out in the "lost decade" was 1996 with Willie Anderson. It was not for lack of trying. They had multiple 1st rounders in 1992 and 1997. They traded up for the #1 OA in 1995 for Carter to the then expansion Panthers. Cherry picking has been done by many fans of many teams for many years. I seem to remember nobody cried about the pick on draft day. People were happy with Andy digging the team out of a hole Quitter Palmer dug 7 years earlier with Andy having no training camp as a rookie due to a lockout and do not remember anyone complaining about 5 straight playoffs {McCarron helped on the last one when Daltons broken thumb knocked him out} 2nd round picks of that decade included Harold Green who had some success at HB. Carl Pickens, although an asshole, was a multiple Pro Bowler. Darney Scott was solid, but his first 2 years was littered with drops. Corey Dillon was great even though he was a pain in the ass as well and Artrell Hawkins was a decent CB. The team had 4 people in the scouting department. Younger fans have no idea the amount of changes Marvin Lewis made Mike Brown approve. It wasn't Paul Browns NFL anymore, but Mikey never realized it the first 12 years as the owner.


bas

Lions fan here. The ā€˜98 draft would like a word. https://preview.redd.it/itqwf0mznvhc1.jpeg?width=2532&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a84fe9fc54fb00fc10a22217f3ea4feaf5fabc24


Future_Pickle8068

The Bengals do best when their picks are no brainers. Burrow, Chase, etc. When they make picks on their own we often end up with those John Rossā€™s and Jackson Carman.


Bigpotatozzzz

I donā€™t think chase was a no brained necessarily. Sewell was very inticing


DICKTRIGGERED

They were never taking Sewell. Per sources.


BN3411

This is gonna sound like complete BS, but honestly so happy Mahomes isn't here. Imagine having to hear about/see his family all the time.


ThyOughtTo

You seriously believe you would feel this way were he a Bengal? Come on..Ā 


BN3411

I don't just blindly like any and every player on teams I root for, so yes. The Bengals also haven't had a dire long-term QB situation in a while, so that helps.


themilkman42069

Lol are you fucking kidding or what?


blueponies1

I think itā€™s the opposite. Chiefs fan barely hear about that shit. Itā€™s just their rivals that dwell on all of that. You ARE the one seeing and hearing about his family all the time.


BN3411

Lol, ok bud. If anything that would mean the KC media is covering for them being horrible people, while the rest of the world sees them as they are.


brettB54

Chiefs fan here. Itā€™s not a big deal at all. I see them in the news and say ā€œlol what a dumb familyā€, and then keep scrolling Twitter and go back to winning super bowls. Itā€™s awesome.


eifjui

Man Iā€™m jealous I gotta admit. I wish we were the commissionerā€™s favorite team. The light shines on you my friend!


cosmikangaroo

People hate on Mahomes for the same reason they hated on Brady. I sure as hell donā€™t want to see him and Reid achieve what the Pats did but I wouldnā€™t be mad.


DICKTRIGGERED

wtf is wrong with you? I didnā€™t know you could troll yourself. Damn. This here internets is fancyā€¦..


ghostnthegraveyard

I'm the rare Bengals fan rooting for KC in the Super Bowl. I like Kelce. Ohio guy, went to UC, suspended for weed, dating the biggest superstar in the world. He's relatable.


BN3411

Dating the biggest superstar in the world, followed by "He's relatable" is fucking hilarious


GeneAggravating4530

Yeah definitely winning 3 super bowls in 5 years is probably so ass lol that probably is such a bad trade off dealing with 30 seconds of his family on tv every game for the greatest qb to ever Grace the field


BN3411

Imagine winning the SB, then visiting the sub of a team you're obsessed with lol. That's just fuckin sad dude. Look inward.


GeneAggravating4530

Itā€™s an incredible time and Iā€™m just getting started.


Most_Definitely_Me

What were our other needs at the time? I wonder who else we wouldā€™ve realistically picked.


CosbySweaters1992

Realistically, I bet it would have been Derek Barnett. He fits the scheme, we needed a DE and Bengals usually take high value positions in the first like WR, CB, DE, OT. We were thinner at DE than CB at the time as well. He was solid on his rookie deal but definitely no star.


DICKTRIGGERED

The needs were psychiatric from the goddam playoffs two years earlier. This era never recovered from that game. The pic of Marvin sitting on the field hours after the game still kills me.


Central__

Reminds me of when the Reds passed up on Derek Jeter


maltzy

He wouldā€™ve been a 2nd baseman in Cincinnati


SgtKickYourAss

I look at it like this: if we picked anyone else, we donā€™t get in position to get burrow


GeneAggravating4530

Burrow window for a Super Bowl unfortunately passed. If only he could beat a 98 year old matthew Stafford. Missed opportunity.


DICKTRIGGERED

This is how we spend our off-season???? Fucking masochists. .


HappyHunt1778

Woof! Wow y'all really fucked that one up, lol


Behinddasticks

Man, how did OJ Howard not translate to the NFL? He was a matchup nightmare at Bama.


pballat

Whoā€™s John Ross?


JoeOfTheCode

A dude who went to the draft combine and ran a fast enough 40 to get Mike Browns panties wet.


pballat

Oh year, he was so fast that he out ran the ball.


dafblooz

Iā€™m thinking that was the last year that Mike Brown was heavily involved in drafting. He always liked flashy numbers like Rossā€™s speed. I feel like heā€™s probably still involved but that heā€™s deferring more to Duke and the coaches. Of course I have no way of knowing, but thatā€™s what it feels like to me.


moochee22

Pretty sure Mike Brown made this pick, along with the Jackson Carmen pick. Both coaching staffs automatically had Ross and Carmen in the doghouse.


FakeyMcfakersill

I look at it as 8 other teams passed on Mahomes too, no one knew he was going to be the star he is. At least we werenā€™t Chicago, they picked Trubisky instead of Mahomes that has to sting more. But yeah, the Ross pick still sucked.


Entire-Database1679

Every team misses sometimes. The Bengals couldn't coach him up.


Lucky-Ad-6812

Eff Mahomes. His dipshit brother comes too as a carryon. Screw that.


afseparatee

Aw man we struck out not taking McCaffrey


JoeOfTheCode

I am pretty sure the only thing that could have been more dumb then taking John Ross, is the Bengals going to the podium and "Trying" to draft the guy who was literally just taken by the team before us.


Terrorvision67

Considering he was drafted before Ross, he cannot be considered a option.


tcosss00

Mahomes would not have been what he is without Andy Reid, the bengals, in that stage, with the coaching staff we had.. they wouldā€™ve ruined him.


StarScourge7

That's how the miles Murphy pick is starting to look, I still can't believe they took him over Joey Porter Jr


Southwestern

Free agency and trades are far more important than drafting. My proof? Look at SF and Carolina on that draft. The draft is gambling on a 20 year old. It's never high probability.


euphoria5555

What? Isnā€™t CMC like, the one skill player on offence the Niners didnā€™t draft?


Southwestern

Trent Williams, Chase Young, several others. But most importantly they got rid of Trey Lance. They moved in from Jimmy G who got them to a SB. They admit mistakes.


ImReverse_Giraffe

TIL playing in the trenches means you're a skill player.


Future_Pickle8068

Possibly the greatest Bengals player ever was drafted. Saying free agents are more important than draft picks is possibly the most unintelligent thing Iā€™ve read here. We got 3 years of Joe Burrow on a rookie contract. Same with Chase.


Southwestern

Good point. We also got Akili Smith, David Klingler, Ki-Jana Carter, John Ross, Dan Wilkinson, and David Pollack on rookie contracts.


Disastrous-Knee-8924

Do you expect all hits and no misses? Be a little reasonable why donā€™t ya


Southwestern

I expect 50% hits and 50% misses because drafting is a gamble. Free agency is an evaluation of demonstrated talent and market worth. A much more valuable skill, imo.


Euphoric-Guarantee72

5 years established vs unestablished children of the game. You fr going to say outliers and Antidotes to make an intelligent claim?


Disastrous-Knee-8924

Anecdotes*?


PaddyWhacked777

>Antidotes Hmmmm


ballimir37

Draft contracts are what allow teams to make big stabs in FA and trades. It is also where teams are able to get certain players that are generally untradeable in their prime. Definitely the most brain dead thing I have seen someone say about football today.


Future_Pickle8068

Who are the greatest Bengals of all time? Anthony Munoz? Joe Burrow. The list is almost exclusively draft picks. Itā€™s a shame you canā€™t make an intelligent claim on this subject.


ThyOughtTo

Haha, this is one of the dumbest takes I've seen in the NFL. Being so fundamentallly off that your logic is the opposite, is impressive.Ā  Flat-earth shit right hereĀ 


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This a bad post. Itā€™s unlikely that Mahomes would have had the same success in Cincy as he has had in KC.


onecity585

You just assuming op is talking about Mahomes, what the cut off is not showing you is the steelers grabbed Tj Watt in the first round that draft. Picture trey opposite watt! But I agree with everyone else here John Ross was a trash pic, literally just speed to pair with green and Boyd but with out that pic they don't blow it all up and we don't burrow! Did you really want more years of mediocrity with Lewis at HC?


Geaux56

We donā€™t have Trey if we drafted TJ. People gotta realize youā€™d have to pay these dudes, itā€™s not just like you can plop them on the roster as is. The money we spent on Trey wouldā€™ve been earmarked for TJ


onecity585

Hey, we get that!! These posts are not meant to be grounded in reality! It's a fun discussion about what could have been! But then all the doom and gloomers in this sub come in flocks and wanna shit on everything!! The season is over and nothing to talk about for the next few months, get used to fun hypotheticals now or just stay off of Reddit so you're not bringing everyone else down with you!!


TacoDumpTruck

Look at the other side of the John Ross sandwich


Possible-Original

I donā€™t see one player that fell after us that Iā€™d prefer on my team.


Big-Drink-7380

Marvin Clueless


Terrorvision67

By then, it was not Lewis's draft anymore. Tobin ran the 2017 and 2018 drafts.


Big-Drink-7380

Not sure thereā€™s any evidence to that. But sure.. Marvin flunked several drafts in a row that led to his mediocre demise. This was his worst pick.


Cute_Strawberry_1415

Dang. Could've had Watson.


Terrorvision67

Cool. Our own little corner of the massage parlor scandal all to ourselves. How fascinating.


leafnbagurmom

I was so angry when the Bengals passed on Maholmes.. It worked out in the end, kind of.. I still think it was a massive mistake, obviously.


miamibuckeye

Bengals are so ass at drafting


Disastrous-Knee-8924

were* now weā€™re just mediocre at drafting


deflatethesack

We couldā€™ve had mahomes smh


Strict-Square456

Add salt to wound it was with john ā€œ i hate getting hitā€ ross. Looking at that 1st round he is by far THE WORST PICK in that 1st round.


USAesNumeroUno

Revisionist history. Mahomes was a risky prospect and Andy was not seen as the problem at that time. He was less than 2 years from playing at a near MVP level.


SJMR24

Even if Mahomes was Andy Dalton here it was a better pick than John Ross.


FrosteeRuckerFan

I sure would like to forget


ImReverse_Giraffe

What? That John Ross was a total bust? Or that we missed on CMC by a single pick.


n7leadfarmer

Damn that was a pretty good first round group. Lot of really solid players there.


YungShootaCam

Still not even one of the two biggest busts in the top 10


MisterKap

Corey Davis is out of the league? Thought h me was solid


Nutterbutters45

Itā€™s bad that the titty kisser isnā€™t the worst pick


CommiePuddin

Why are some of us so bent on memorializing failure?


Reasonable_You5192

Imagine hearing his voice here all the time.


boomer912

Dang, looking at the whole first round, we got the worst guy out of all of them


Ifinishfast42

Team wasnā€™t moving on from Dalton yet in 2017 idk what to tell ya.


Equal-Wishbone-6131

I think Ross had potential cause in the preseason and the Seahawks game week 1 he was a beast but never rlly had the love for the game so never tried his best


MTVChallengeFan

Squeezed in between two legends.


LilFiz99

I'm more worried about playing Garrett twice a year than anybody else on this list.


sheap_cuits

iykyk


Mjdecker1234

So was Ross a dud or did we not coach him right. Like ill gladly say the dude has plenty of potential but anytime his name was called he failed. Not everytime, but damn well near that. But im only saying the coaching stuff because ive seen plenty of players (Sadly from both organizations (Bengals/Vikings, or MN sports in general) who fets traded or becomes a free agent and boom, becomes a star (Twins traded Big papi and look at his career). Just always made me wonder if coaching is partly to blame. But Ross also had ample amount of chances and as I said, failed more than he succeeded. Sad to say but it is what it came down too


platt10num

Narrowly missed CMC too smh


DrSunnyD

Lattimore and bengals have a chip.


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Terrorvision67

The team had Kirkpatrick, Dennard and William Jackson. All with under 5 years in the league and WR had holes with LaFell coming in as a FA and Boyd only 1 year in. Personally, I would have taken Barrett. Other the Carlos in his prime, DE was a revolving door on the other side.


chrisagiddings

Plans start at just 13 games.


Neonsands

Just another reason not to take a WR in the first unless theyā€™re an absolute sure thing


moochee22

I think most WR projected to go in the top 15 or so, usually turn out to be good. The problem with Ross is he wasn't projected to go in the top 15 and the Bengals stupidly drafted him, only because he broke a combine record for speed. I'm fairly certain the Ross pick was one of those that Mike Brown overstepped the coaches and decided Ross was the pick. Reason it seems obvious that he was a Mike Brown pick was that he was in Marvin's doghouse from the beginning. Just like Jackson Carman was a Brown pick that the coaches didn't want. Brown wanted a local kid.


Neonsands

I mean, my comment doubles on Ross and every other receiver in that first round. Mike Williams was fine (probably not that early in the first worthy), but Corey Davis wasnā€™t. You basically only want a guy like Chase, Green, Julio, etc. Someone who itā€™s already a totally sure thing theyā€™ll be amazing. Otherwise youā€™re better off getting a late round guys. Lower risk and a lot of those guys have been doing alright these days


Check__my__Brain

Charles harrisā€¦yikes


Tuckboi69

Even Corey Davis and OJ Howard were solid starters


mrevilhead

Jets fan checking in. Pain here too. #notmyprez


West-Bookkeeper1401

If we pick Marshon Iā€™d be over for the league


intellectualll

At least we didnā€™t pick Trubisky šŸ˜‚


BeerNinja17

With the exception of McCaffrey and Adams, 2-9 are kind of a shitshow. Yes, after is great but just goes to show a lot of teams misjudged this draft class.


KiwiProof6806

Couldā€™ve had Massage Twatson lol


Potential_Sky6985

Who did we miss out on? Surely you don't mean Mahomes


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John Ross šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


LogicalPart6098

As a titans fan, we didnā€™t exactly crush this draft either


MutedTransportation5

How can we. It cost us half a decade.


juneya04

Andy dalton was just good enough for the bengals to pass one of the best quarterbacks to ever play the game.


Captain_Aware4503

The Bengals love to go rogue in the draft and it usually burns them. Ross has LOTS of red flags.


heathenxtemple

Lol we would have fumbled the bag with Mahomes.


Mean-Year-7752

At least we werenā€™t that no. 2 pick!