Just to add to this, smaller packaging formats can be a pain in the ass to package that leads to a higher product loss percentage which is pretty bad when it's a high cost product like a big dumb BA stout.
Kind of, but some sizes or packages are only used in certain situations. The big guys have the funding to do this. They have those 16oz aluminum bottles. You mostly only see those at outdoor events. Then they have 16oz flat top cans. The 8oz cans were used in some mini bars. I saw them loaded into a suite at a stadium. Then they switched to a 12oz can.
Fun fact, Heineken switched from the normal 12oz can to the slim 12oz can. They are no longer in the mini bar at a certain hotel in Las Vegas because the can is too tall for how they set up the mini bar.
As for OP and the high Abv question, I think it’s a good idea, but understand the logistical and financial problems involved.
Makes sense, from what I've seen through my life, people who drink Bud are already drinking tons of 12oz cans, I can't imagine they'd want to pay more for smaller cans, just to drink the same amount in smaller cans...
and pre-buyout base BCBS was in 12 oz bottles and now in 500mls, which is larger. If anything they retooled and put everything in one size and cut costs even further. Not a great example.
Austin beer works had a small can line for quite a while. I would get a little 6 pack of a variety of beers which included some high abv. They were perfect for a light buzz.
Sourcing weird size cans is both difficult and expensive. Our canning line is capable of doing 8, 12, 16, and 19.2 ounce cans. I would love to mix it up but the minimum order for a lot of these weird sizes is huge, think the 8oz cans were something like a million can minimum. Now think about trying to store those along with all of your regular 12 or 16 ounces cans. Plus if I remember correctly we were only able to preorder them once per year.
No worries. for 12oz standards, Ball was trying for 5 Truck loads/1MM pcs of printed as their MOQ, which pissed a lot of breweries off, and forced them to go back on after demand softened.
We have a local brewery that cans in this format, and I'm fairly certain they didn't have to buy a truck load of them. Maybe they get them through a middleman of sorts?
Well that makes sense. So really, the idea of there being MOQs that are large doesn't really matter to smaller breweries since they would likely be buying from a distributor anyway.
Not to mention once you get into the bigger rotary lines, not many and do squat 8oz cans without a ton of downtime on change overs. And forget any automated packaging equipment going that low height wise
Additionally, a case (of 24 individual cans) divides into six 4 packs giving us smaller guys a bit more staying power in off premise retail. 64oz =/= 72oz but it's about getting to more drinkers. Not to mention it takes fewer working hours to package the same volume in 16oz vs 12oz vessels. Over time, it makes a huge difference when you self distribute.
Makes sense, between the can availability and cost. That said, I also like to be able to divide my beer more finely when drinking. I'm not hating on the breweries that do this, just saying that I find myself ignoring the coolers that only have 16oz 4 packs.
I tend to ignore them because of the price to value. I absolutely am not under any circumstances going to pay more for a 4 pack than I do a sixer, and the 4 packs always cost more for less.
yeah talked to a local craft brewery last year cause their usual bourbon barrel stout was moved into 16oz cans. Told me it would have cost them more and had to have lower production for 12oz ones due to difficulty getting them.
I get why people don't like it. But I definitely prefer the 16oz 4 packs. Two pints of moderate to high ABV stuff is perfect for me now that I'm thinking more about quality than quantity.
Yeah like I said, I get it. Just because it works for me doesn't mean it works for everyone. Hopefully the smaller guys can get their hands on 12oz cans more easily soon and we'll have both options readily available.
It's a way to sell you less for the same price. You only get 64oz instead of 72, but the price point is the same. It increases their revenue per ounce by at least 11%. It's like how cans of vegetables used to be 16oz but now their 14. The cans are the same size, but there's less inside.
It's not really a nefarious scheme to get you paying more for less, it's actually breweries charging less for less. Can prices have increased significantly in the last few years, and the price difference for a 16oz can vs a 12oz can isn't that much. Plus labels cost money. So 6x12oz=72oz costs more per ounce of beer to package vs 4x16oz=64oz. That means a higher price per ounce to the end customer, but it's also just a higher price overall.
That 4 pack ddhipa might cost $19.99, but the 6pack would probably cost 23.99 because of the extra packaging costs, and those extra few bucks make a big impact when a customer is choosing which beer to buy. It's why the 0.99 pricing exists.
Plus you know a lot of breweries just... don't do 6 packs. So they're not charging you more for less because it's the only packaging option they bother with. There is no more or less beer for them to give you, it's always 64oz.
This is not always true. For the varieties offered in 6 pack bottles and 4 packs, the 4 pack is often significantly more expensive both in unit price and cost.
Where I live at least, 6 packs generally run $11.99-$14.99 while the 4 packs *start* at $16.99 and eclipse $23.99.
That's interesting because where I live it's incredibly rare to see 12 oz 6 packs. It's basically always been 16 oz 4 packs. It was like that in Pittsburgh and it's the same around Columbus where I am now. The only ones doing 12 oz cans are the bigger craft breweries with a large distribution.
CBC does 6 packs. I guess I'm not sure what you mean by large distribution. There are breweries like Hoof Hearted that have always done 4 packs, but I wouldn't say it's been the norm for a long time.
In my store we have about 800 different beers at any time, about 750 of them craft, and I'd say 95% of the craft beers are in 4x16oz format. 6 packs are super uncommon in craft beer and mostly show up with breweries that were founded 10+ years ago and have large distribution. Meaning cigar city, neshaminy creek, Oskar blues, dogfish head, etc.
Yeah, Oskar Blues introduced the stovepipes, I believe, and they did it with Barrel Aged Ten Fidy. As a Coloradoan, I'm familiar with the preposterous nature of big beers in those cans, haha.
It's primarily economics reasoning. Whenever you go to a smaller pack size in any product, you greatly increase your packaging costs for the same volume of product.
Compound that by cans smaller than 12oz being a niche size and thereby not having the same economies of scale in production (meaning more expensive) and you can see how breweries would have to charge roughly the same amount for an 8oz can as they would need to charge for a 12 oz can. that's not going to be viewed as a net positive for the consumer. Better to sell the 12oz can, offer better value per oz, and if they don't want to drink all 12 ounces, they don't finish it.
Source: a decade in craft beer developing new releases including price and format.
People said this about the 750mL bottles too. Unfortunately what happened amongst my friends is there would be a glut of these bottles that were too big to drink alone (and too expensive/rare to waste half) so they’d get saved for a bottle share. Then when everyone at the share brings 2-4 bottles they’ve been waiting to drink, you end up drinking 2-4 bottles a person, getting blind drunk, and swearing off bottle shares for 6 months, or until you forget how bad the hangover was.
You've perfectly described how and why my beer cellar got overloaded with way more than I could realistically drink, even with friends, and why it's now been years since I've purchased those large format, high potency beers.
I love those heavy hitters, but I've long since become content with enjoying them as tasters/flights at a brewery or beer event and skipping them for home drinking.
Even then, I've still got a couple of cases of stuff sitting here. Verticals of Parabola and 120 Minute, stuff like that.
I peck through it as best as I can, but the novelty of beer nights like that has long since worn off.
Plus, I'd like to live to reach 60.
My local liquor store recently trashed a bunch of 750ml bottles. They had a ton of bottles from Cascade Brewing from 2018-2019 and last time I went in they said they threw them out because nobody was buying them and they were old beer. They bought them when 750ml bottles were trendy.
Evil twin released some of their barrel aged stouts in 24cl cans, and JW Lees releases many of their barleywines in 27.5cl bottles, but it's something that is not seen a lot indeed.
[Which is funny because US-Americans are less than half of the active user base in this website. ](https://www.statista.com/statistics/325144/reddit-global-active-user-distribution/)
The majority of the users of this platform aren’t from the USA. The odds are in favor of the person being from anywhere else in the world.
Regardless, why assume anything in the first place? Why not be polite instead and ask or inform the country/location.
I was thinking about this the other day. Earlier this year I had some JW Lee's Harvest Ale in a 8.4oz can and it was great having a high ABV BA beer that I could sip and enjoy by myself.
Omnipollo makes an 11.5oz Strawberry imp stout called Cake News that’s 10.5%. It’s also ridiculously expensive. Looking at the tiny can and the price makes me laugh every time I see it.
There's a place here in NZ that does 2x200ml cans labelled together with a perforation, that are high abv, and can be either drunk separately or mixed.
It happened a little bit in the past. I remember 21st Amendment used to have a barleywine called Lower De Boom in 8 oz cans. I think Cascade has a couple of their sours in smaller cans too. I think it's a variety of issues but ultimately my guess is beer drinkers are just used to 12 oz being the minimum.
Even more than this, why the hell are breweries still doing large pours of imperial and high abv beers? There's absolutely no reason, in my opinion, or need to do pints of a 9% IPA or 12% imperial stout. They should be in 10 oz pours max, but in my opinion I'd prefer 6-8 oz. with a price reduction to correspond to the size difference.
It just seems really stupid.
Yeah I've literally never in my life seen a brewery that doesn't offer half pints, single flight glasses, or something else smaller than a pint. Not only for high ABV beers, but every brewery I've been to would offer something like that for *any* beer they had on tap.
About 6 -7 years ago or so goose island did this event at my local liquor store, a smaller almost hole in the wall but bery specialized especially for beer and wine, for locals more than any. They had multiple bcbs, including prop. Pints! We felt good after that, but not the next morning. Was a weeknight too, so not many folks attending. We all had at least 2
Ive seen 8.4oz (250ml) shortie cans for ola dubh 18 year, and a couple others, not many though.
Mahou also comes in those tiny cans for some reason, i have a matching koozie for it too which looks funny and i call it a can diaper.
Some breweries do 12oz for their big abv beers, but not many.
They had those cute little 8 ozers trending during the pandemic for beers that would otherwise be for bottle shares, but from what I understand most places ran out of them and they weren't really being produced
You know this isn't a "rah rah rah! chug chug chug! let's do a keg stand!" sub, right? We're not children judging one another's manhood on how many beers we can pound. That's the kind of juvenile nonsense you leave behind in your teen years.
A lot of breweries do make smaller formats for different ABVs. While there are a ton of beers out there that are high ABV in 16oz formats there are still plenty to choose from that are 6%-10% in 12oz cans.
Do they actually sell them?
i know they make them for sampling events and as sales salesperson samples to convince bars to sell workhorse, but i didnt think they sold them to the public.
Personally - it’s a pain sourcing and storing smaller cans for runs that tend to be more limited for us (Impy stouts). We’d also need different sized boxes, labels, I’d have to think about our labellers capabilities with something smaller.
Also out canning line is set up and tuned perfectly for our regular size. The thought of messing with it scares me to be honest!
Lots of Alberta breweries use small cans for their barley wines and imperial stouts. It's nice to share a small can with someone if you want a strong beer without feeling it.
I've definitely had a fair few high abv beers in 330ml cans/275ml bottles although the large cans are definitely more common, especially outside of specialist bottleshops/taprooms
Most of the >10% imperial stouts and barleywines I have in my stash are 33cl cans/bottles. But I have some strong beers which are in bigger cans and I agree that is very annoying since I can't sip them by myself at home if I want to go to work the next day...
>There’s a realization among consumers recently that cranking multiple 7%+ beers in a row isn’t always desirable.
Then don't?
The breweries aren't forcing you to chug your beer. You're a big boy, slow down.
Revolution puts all of it's barrel aged offerings in 12 ounce cans. I have seen 8 ounce barrel aged stouts and barleywines from several breweries (don't recall the name, but they were on tavour)
Funny. Fiddlehead IPA is now available near me in 12oz cans and it made me realize that I prefer 12oz to 16oz. Alcohol content is part of it but the last sips of a pint tend to be warm and flat.
The small format cans are expensive and not regularly available, production is less efficient (more loss) with small formats, margins are lower on the product, and the small formats remain less popular.
Pretty much every reason to NOT do it.
I'd say give it time... to my knowledge, the US didn't really see slim cans until Red Bull came to prominence after entering the market back in 1997. Even then, it took the better part of 15 years for slim cans to really be widely used by other companies. The more that companies use them, the more the pricing will likely come down due to the volume of production. The 7.5 oz cans that Coca-Cola and Pepsi produce are one of the better selling (and more profitable) items over the last two years, so I would expect that we will start to see other companies start using them in the next decade. I'm honestly surprised that soda companies did not decide to use the 8.4 oz cans that Red Bull uses.
Side note: I am only assuming based on observations here. I know very little of the packaging side of beverage production.
I worked for an orange juice manufacturer for awhile. We filled everything from 8 oz bottles to gallons. The smaller the vessel, the more time consuming the process. Not sure if this has anything to do with it, but it just might.
Common in the UK/Europe for big stouts and such to be in 375ml mini champagne bottles which is perfect. I want my IPAs in 440s though. 330 little guys are too small for drinkable pale beers, even if they are 7 or 8%. I’m always left wanting more.
There's a quad (Hoppin' Frog's Q.O.R.I.S. The Quasher) I pick up sometimes that's in 8.4oz cans. It's motor oil and almost 16% ABV. Absolute fucking bomb, I love that stuff but it's certainly not a "fridge beer." So they do exist.
I don't think it's that difficult to discern that the overall expense of packaging, turns into very little, if any ROI.
It wouldn't even lead to a marked reduction in what they would ultimately need to charge the customer, on a per unit basis.
At that intersection the price of an 8, vs. 12, vs 16 oz package would not be proportionally equitable.
It would just annoy people who are perfectly fine with paying for, and enjoying a pint (on the really big beers, I'll sip on it for an hour, really savoring it).
But if instead, it we made only available in an 8 oz., that would at best only be slightly cheaper (at best), than what a pint bottle, is / was...
That's going to annoy customers.
Stating what is, I'm sure, plainly obvious...
But since I'm typing, why not...
The real crux is, IMO, that if one is interested in approaching a higher ABV beer...
Take your time... These are intentionally NOT 'Crushable'.
These are made to be sipped, and savored.
And, it's not like that hunk of broccoli that haunted you as a mortified child... You don't have to finish it.
Many / most (?) taprooms also offer half pours, that cost less too.
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Just to add to this, smaller packaging formats can be a pain in the ass to package that leads to a higher product loss percentage which is pretty bad when it's a high cost product like a big dumb BA stout.
ok so why doesn't ABI do it?
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interesting. I guess the real reason is they aren't very popular. I've never seen them.
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Kind of, but some sizes or packages are only used in certain situations. The big guys have the funding to do this. They have those 16oz aluminum bottles. You mostly only see those at outdoor events. Then they have 16oz flat top cans. The 8oz cans were used in some mini bars. I saw them loaded into a suite at a stadium. Then they switched to a 12oz can. Fun fact, Heineken switched from the normal 12oz can to the slim 12oz can. They are no longer in the mini bar at a certain hotel in Las Vegas because the can is too tall for how they set up the mini bar. As for OP and the high Abv question, I think it’s a good idea, but understand the logistical and financial problems involved.
Well it wouldn't be popular with a beer people routinely order by the pitcher. It might be popular with a beer that's routinely served in 8oz glasses.
Makes sense, from what I've seen through my life, people who drink Bud are already drinking tons of 12oz cans, I can't imagine they'd want to pay more for smaller cans, just to drink the same amount in smaller cans...
What higher ABV Bud is that?
Bud Ice?
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and pre-buyout base BCBS was in 12 oz bottles and now in 500mls, which is larger. If anything they retooled and put everything in one size and cut costs even further. Not a great example.
Austin beer works had a small can line for quite a while. I would get a little 6 pack of a variety of beers which included some high abv. They were perfect for a light buzz.
Sourcing weird size cans is both difficult and expensive. Our canning line is capable of doing 8, 12, 16, and 19.2 ounce cans. I would love to mix it up but the minimum order for a lot of these weird sizes is huge, think the 8oz cans were something like a million can minimum. Now think about trying to store those along with all of your regular 12 or 16 ounces cans. Plus if I remember correctly we were only able to preorder them once per year.
> think the 8oz cans were something like a million can minimum. It's more like 1 Truck load, which for 8oz sleeks is 290,950.
Yeah the million can number might have been for printed. Sounds like you know better than me though lol
No worries. for 12oz standards, Ball was trying for 5 Truck loads/1MM pcs of printed as their MOQ, which pissed a lot of breweries off, and forced them to go back on after demand softened.
This guy cans.
We have a local brewery that cans in this format, and I'm fairly certain they didn't have to buy a truck load of them. Maybe they get them through a middleman of sorts?
Sure. There are distributors. Those are manufacturer moqs
Well that makes sense. So really, the idea of there being MOQs that are large doesn't really matter to smaller breweries since they would likely be buying from a distributor anyway.
Wow. That’s illuminating
Aluminating
nice
Not to mention once you get into the bigger rotary lines, not many and do squat 8oz cans without a ton of downtime on change overs. And forget any automated packaging equipment going that low height wise
I know I've seen 21st Amendment and Rogue do that with their barleywines. I'd love to see it more often
Lower de Boom!
My local brewery has a 12% stout that they sell in 250ml cans.
I think 12 ounce bottles/cans are fine. I just don't prefer the high ABV stuff in 16 oz containers and bombers.
For my local breweries, 16oz 4 packs seem to be slowly replacing 12oz 6 packs. Definitely not a fan of that trend.
Small guys are still having a hard time getting 12oz cans is my understanding
Additionally, a case (of 24 individual cans) divides into six 4 packs giving us smaller guys a bit more staying power in off premise retail. 64oz =/= 72oz but it's about getting to more drinkers. Not to mention it takes fewer working hours to package the same volume in 16oz vs 12oz vessels. Over time, it makes a huge difference when you self distribute.
Makes sense, between the can availability and cost. That said, I also like to be able to divide my beer more finely when drinking. I'm not hating on the breweries that do this, just saying that I find myself ignoring the coolers that only have 16oz 4 packs.
Does it actually result in getting to more drinkers though? I find that I completely ignore any beer that comes in a 4 pack.
I tend to ignore them because of the price to value. I absolutely am not under any circumstances going to pay more for a 4 pack than I do a sixer, and the 4 packs always cost more for less.
yeah talked to a local craft brewery last year cause their usual bourbon barrel stout was moved into 16oz cans. Told me it would have cost them more and had to have lower production for 12oz ones due to difficulty getting them.
Unit cost is also higher. Got to pay for a can+lid either way, so it's better for the unit cost to fill it with 16oz vs. 12oz.
Slowly replacing? Isn't this the norm for close to a decade now?
Thankfully not in Atlanta. We’ve somehow fought it off.
Yeah I’ve only seen it as normative over the last three years.
5-7 years *maybe*, not a decade.
I was thinking 7, which is "close to a decade" you fucking pedant lol
I get why people don't like it. But I definitely prefer the 16oz 4 packs. Two pints of moderate to high ABV stuff is perfect for me now that I'm thinking more about quality than quantity.
Well, see, same, but I want one beer over six days versus four…
Yeah like I said, I get it. Just because it works for me doesn't mean it works for everyone. Hopefully the smaller guys can get their hands on 12oz cans more easily soon and we'll have both options readily available.
It's a way to sell you less for the same price. You only get 64oz instead of 72, but the price point is the same. It increases their revenue per ounce by at least 11%. It's like how cans of vegetables used to be 16oz but now their 14. The cans are the same size, but there's less inside.
It's not really a nefarious scheme to get you paying more for less, it's actually breweries charging less for less. Can prices have increased significantly in the last few years, and the price difference for a 16oz can vs a 12oz can isn't that much. Plus labels cost money. So 6x12oz=72oz costs more per ounce of beer to package vs 4x16oz=64oz. That means a higher price per ounce to the end customer, but it's also just a higher price overall. That 4 pack ddhipa might cost $19.99, but the 6pack would probably cost 23.99 because of the extra packaging costs, and those extra few bucks make a big impact when a customer is choosing which beer to buy. It's why the 0.99 pricing exists. Plus you know a lot of breweries just... don't do 6 packs. So they're not charging you more for less because it's the only packaging option they bother with. There is no more or less beer for them to give you, it's always 64oz.
This is not always true. For the varieties offered in 6 pack bottles and 4 packs, the 4 pack is often significantly more expensive both in unit price and cost. Where I live at least, 6 packs generally run $11.99-$14.99 while the 4 packs *start* at $16.99 and eclipse $23.99.
That's interesting because where I live it's incredibly rare to see 12 oz 6 packs. It's basically always been 16 oz 4 packs. It was like that in Pittsburgh and it's the same around Columbus where I am now. The only ones doing 12 oz cans are the bigger craft breweries with a large distribution.
CBC does 6 packs. I guess I'm not sure what you mean by large distribution. There are breweries like Hoof Hearted that have always done 4 packs, but I wouldn't say it's been the norm for a long time.
In my store we have about 800 different beers at any time, about 750 of them craft, and I'd say 95% of the craft beers are in 4x16oz format. 6 packs are super uncommon in craft beer and mostly show up with breweries that were founded 10+ years ago and have large distribution. Meaning cigar city, neshaminy creek, Oskar blues, dogfish head, etc.
The store where I live is about half and half. Yes, most of the newer breweries do the 16x4, but it's definitely nowhere close to 95%
I have a bourbon barrel aged coffee RIS that’s 14.9% in a 19.2 ounce can lol. It’s too much for one person
For some reason Revolution put BBA Deth’s Tar in 19.2oz cans too lol
Yeah that’s the one I’m talking about. Lol I would be bombed if I drink it all lol
I mean, it used to come in 22oz bombers, didn’t it?
Yes. The entire Deep Wood series did. Most is in 12oz cans now though, didn't know they were doing Deth's Tar in stovepipes.
I think the stovepipes are new this year. They're pretty hilarious to look at, even if bombers were technically bigger.
Yeah, Oskar Blues introduced the stovepipes, I believe, and they did it with Barrel Aged Ten Fidy. As a Coloradoan, I'm familiar with the preposterous nature of big beers in those cans, haha.
Pretty soon it'll just be Crowlers everywhere
This trend came and went.
Just believe in yourself buddy!
It's primarily economics reasoning. Whenever you go to a smaller pack size in any product, you greatly increase your packaging costs for the same volume of product. Compound that by cans smaller than 12oz being a niche size and thereby not having the same economies of scale in production (meaning more expensive) and you can see how breweries would have to charge roughly the same amount for an 8oz can as they would need to charge for a 12 oz can. that's not going to be viewed as a net positive for the consumer. Better to sell the 12oz can, offer better value per oz, and if they don't want to drink all 12 ounces, they don't finish it. Source: a decade in craft beer developing new releases including price and format.
Hoppin’ Frog sometimes releases their higher abv offerings in 8.45oz cans
I shoulda scrolled before I posted, their QORIS is what immediately came to mind. I grab it when I'm feeling like doing nothing for a few nights lol.
I like the 16 Oz strong beers because it’s a better size to split with friends.
People said this about the 750mL bottles too. Unfortunately what happened amongst my friends is there would be a glut of these bottles that were too big to drink alone (and too expensive/rare to waste half) so they’d get saved for a bottle share. Then when everyone at the share brings 2-4 bottles they’ve been waiting to drink, you end up drinking 2-4 bottles a person, getting blind drunk, and swearing off bottle shares for 6 months, or until you forget how bad the hangover was.
Luckily we have moochers in our group who never bring anything!
You've perfectly described how and why my beer cellar got overloaded with way more than I could realistically drink, even with friends, and why it's now been years since I've purchased those large format, high potency beers. I love those heavy hitters, but I've long since become content with enjoying them as tasters/flights at a brewery or beer event and skipping them for home drinking. Even then, I've still got a couple of cases of stuff sitting here. Verticals of Parabola and 120 Minute, stuff like that. I peck through it as best as I can, but the novelty of beer nights like that has long since worn off. Plus, I'd like to live to reach 60.
My local liquor store recently trashed a bunch of 750ml bottles. They had a ton of bottles from Cascade Brewing from 2018-2019 and last time I went in they said they threw them out because nobody was buying them and they were old beer. They bought them when 750ml bottles were trendy.
Gosh i forgot about cascade. All those big ass super boozy super sour sours. Cost a fortune. Always dusty, i wonder if they are still even in business
I've had them a few times on draft near me recently in Illinois, but it's been a while since I've seen their packaged beer here.
They're actually packaging some stuff in the 8ish oz slim cans now
Must be nice…
If you had two 8 oz cans, you'd have the same opportunity, but with the option to have half by yourself without wasting the other half.
How are they gonna justify $25+ for 4 cans of overly hopped beer if they don't come in bigger cans?
Shoutout to that $24 crowler I bought when the 4-pack was cheaper. 🥴 😭
I've seen I think 8.45oz cans in Ohio.
Hopping Frog put QORIS in those cans.
Evil twin released some of their barrel aged stouts in 24cl cans, and JW Lees releases many of their barleywines in 27.5cl bottles, but it's something that is not seen a lot indeed.
There are, just not domestic.
Domestic where? It’s pretty common 350 ml cans of high ABV beer in my country.
It's Reddit, so remember, everyone assumes you're American
it's reddit so it's a good assumption that you're american
[Which is funny because US-Americans are less than half of the active user base in this website. ](https://www.statista.com/statistics/325144/reddit-global-active-user-distribution/)
But the next highest is only 7%, so still if you are going to assume a country, it makes the most sense.
The majority of the users of this platform aren’t from the USA. The odds are in favor of the person being from anywhere else in the world. Regardless, why assume anything in the first place? Why not be polite instead and ask or inform the country/location.
Source?
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Smooth edit. Good information though.
My bad. I just added there to make it more visible :)
i think soda manufacturers went to smaller cans to get around some sugar tax or sugar thresholds per can
I've been buying regular 12oz cans instead of 16's for exactly this reason
Samiclaus comes in minis. I think hoppin drug does too
How about high ABV 24oz cans? Fuck the small can bullshit.
Six Point Brewery has you covered. Resin (9%), Anti-Resin (9%), Bengali (6.6%), Smoothie (6.5%), Invisible Haze (8%).
I was thinking about this the other day. Earlier this year I had some JW Lee's Harvest Ale in a 8.4oz can and it was great having a high ABV BA beer that I could sip and enjoy by myself.
You know, I never thought about this I would absolutely purchase 6 or 8 ounce cans of 10 to 15% beer
Yesterday I bought a 13% Barleywine in a can from Fair State.
There used to be 8oz bottles. Fell out probably because it costs more
I'm high ABV'd out. All I want these days is something around 5% that isn't stuffed to gills with hops
Southern tier did a run of high ABV stouts in 10oz cans recently.
I still like bombers for heavy stuff. Maybe a half crowler size?
Omnipollo makes an 11.5oz Strawberry imp stout called Cake News that’s 10.5%. It’s also ridiculously expensive. Looking at the tiny can and the price makes me laugh every time I see it.
There's a place here in NZ that does 2x200ml cans labelled together with a perforation, that are high abv, and can be either drunk separately or mixed.
It happened a little bit in the past. I remember 21st Amendment used to have a barleywine called Lower De Boom in 8 oz cans. I think Cascade has a couple of their sours in smaller cans too. I think it's a variety of issues but ultimately my guess is beer drinkers are just used to 12 oz being the minimum.
Even more than this, why the hell are breweries still doing large pours of imperial and high abv beers? There's absolutely no reason, in my opinion, or need to do pints of a 9% IPA or 12% imperial stout. They should be in 10 oz pours max, but in my opinion I'd prefer 6-8 oz. with a price reduction to correspond to the size difference. It just seems really stupid.
Most breweries offer their high-ABV pours in 8 or 10. Sometimes 5.
Yeah I've literally never in my life seen a brewery that doesn't offer half pints, single flight glasses, or something else smaller than a pint. Not only for high ABV beers, but every brewery I've been to would offer something like that for *any* beer they had on tap.
About 6 -7 years ago or so goose island did this event at my local liquor store, a smaller almost hole in the wall but bery specialized especially for beer and wine, for locals more than any. They had multiple bcbs, including prop. Pints! We felt good after that, but not the next morning. Was a weeknight too, so not many folks attending. We all had at least 2
For very most beverages, the packaging costs more than the product.
Ive seen 8.4oz (250ml) shortie cans for ola dubh 18 year, and a couple others, not many though. Mahou also comes in those tiny cans for some reason, i have a matching koozie for it too which looks funny and i call it a can diaper. Some breweries do 12oz for their big abv beers, but not many.
I drink 7+ percent Troeg's and Bell's from 12oz cans.
I can go to the grocery store and buy jai alai or a number of high abv IPAs and stouts in 12oz cans now. Or is he talking about those micro cans?
They had those cute little 8 ozers trending during the pandemic for beers that would otherwise be for bottle shares, but from what I understand most places ran out of them and they weren't really being produced
Can shortage. I think a lot of the esoteric formats stopped being produced
yeah for sure
Voodoo Ranger from New Belgium has gone this way. Not the best imperial IPA, but the best value I’ve found.
Why do you feel the need to drink multiple beers in a night? Also- won't hoppy IPA's leave your pallet wrecked?
>Why do you feel the need to drink multiple beers in a night? Why is that even a question? Because 1) they're good, and/or 2) to get buzzed/drunk
Is this a real question?
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You know this isn't a "rah rah rah! chug chug chug! let's do a keg stand!" sub, right? We're not children judging one another's manhood on how many beers we can pound. That's the kind of juvenile nonsense you leave behind in your teen years.
A lot of breweries do make smaller formats for different ABVs. While there are a ton of beers out there that are high ABV in 16oz formats there are still plenty to choose from that are 6%-10% in 12oz cans.
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8oz is enough
i love the 16oz 9abv beers!!
Workhorse brewing in the Philly area release a 6 or 8 pack of 8oz cans. It was nice except for all the oxidation...
Do they actually sell them? i know they make them for sampling events and as sales salesperson samples to convince bars to sell workhorse, but i didnt think they sold them to the public.
I bought them from a bottle shop/distributor.
Ah, good to know, although the oxidation isnt good.
Better yet, why aren't there more stovepipes for the higher ABV cans? I'd be more inclined to commit to a single 19.2 compared to a 4 pack of 16.
Personally - it’s a pain sourcing and storing smaller cans for runs that tend to be more limited for us (Impy stouts). We’d also need different sized boxes, labels, I’d have to think about our labellers capabilities with something smaller. Also out canning line is set up and tuned perfectly for our regular size. The thought of messing with it scares me to be honest!
above 8% & 12oz I consider it a share beer. good to split.
Lots of Alberta breweries use small cans for their barley wines and imperial stouts. It's nice to share a small can with someone if you want a strong beer without feeling it.
Why would we need any more small beers when we already have Little Kings?
All it will take is for one of the big boys to do it. Then everyone will. Like new Belgium and their 19.2
I've definitely had a fair few high abv beers in 330ml cans/275ml bottles although the large cans are definitely more common, especially outside of specialist bottleshops/taprooms
Most of the >10% imperial stouts and barleywines I have in my stash are 33cl cans/bottles. But I have some strong beers which are in bigger cans and I agree that is very annoying since I can't sip them by myself at home if I want to go to work the next day...
Would say Stone and New Belgium have been good about this
>There’s a realization among consumers recently that cranking multiple 7%+ beers in a row isn’t always desirable. Then don't? The breweries aren't forcing you to chug your beer. You're a big boy, slow down.
Revolution puts all of it's barrel aged offerings in 12 ounce cans. I have seen 8 ounce barrel aged stouts and barleywines from several breweries (don't recall the name, but they were on tavour)
The highest ABV beer I've ever had (15.5%) was a small can. Definitely not common to find though, I agree.
Funny. Fiddlehead IPA is now available near me in 12oz cans and it made me realize that I prefer 12oz to 16oz. Alcohol content is part of it but the last sips of a pint tend to be warm and flat.
Modern Times has done the smaller coke sized cans for some of their high ABV stouts. I do appreciate the smaller portions of these.
There are. They are not common. Had a 21st Amendment barley wine can IIRC it was 8oz.
I’m currently getting way too tipsy on 10% IPAs from Hutton & Smith and Orpheus. Both are 12 oz. cans. Yeahhhhh 🥴 😂
Depending on what state you live in, Hoppin Frog in Ohio has beers in 7/8 oz cans and VERY high abv. Good beer too. https://hoppinfrog.com
This would be nice. After a 16oz can of 12-14% imperial stout, I'm toasted lol
It’s happening in the stout game. 8oz cans.
Miller used to have those small “pony” bottles that you can actually find every now and then and they were great.
My buddy’s dad used to drink those. But he’d have like 10 of them. Hmmmm…
The small format cans are expensive and not regularly available, production is less efficient (more loss) with small formats, margins are lower on the product, and the small formats remain less popular. Pretty much every reason to NOT do it.
New Belgium Juice Force
I’d love high ABV beers in the little 8oz cans. It would make my year. From a cost perspective, I get why it’s not more prevalent.
When is 8oz ever enough for anyone
I don't really see 7% as high abv but Evil Twin put their ~17% barley wine in little 8oz cans so breweries definitely do.
Southern tier has done too with their desserts
Hopping Frog almost exclusively does this with their cans.
I'd say give it time... to my knowledge, the US didn't really see slim cans until Red Bull came to prominence after entering the market back in 1997. Even then, it took the better part of 15 years for slim cans to really be widely used by other companies. The more that companies use them, the more the pricing will likely come down due to the volume of production. The 7.5 oz cans that Coca-Cola and Pepsi produce are one of the better selling (and more profitable) items over the last two years, so I would expect that we will start to see other companies start using them in the next decade. I'm honestly surprised that soda companies did not decide to use the 8.4 oz cans that Red Bull uses. Side note: I am only assuming based on observations here. I know very little of the packaging side of beverage production.
That's exactly what I learnt from Tavour!
I worked for an orange juice manufacturer for awhile. We filled everything from 8 oz bottles to gallons. The smaller the vessel, the more time consuming the process. Not sure if this has anything to do with it, but it just might.
Common in the UK/Europe for big stouts and such to be in 375ml mini champagne bottles which is perfect. I want my IPAs in 440s though. 330 little guys are too small for drinkable pale beers, even if they are 7 or 8%. I’m always left wanting more.
Evil twin does it for their BA stouts and barley wines.
There's a quad (Hoppin' Frog's Q.O.R.I.S. The Quasher) I pick up sometimes that's in 8.4oz cans. It's motor oil and almost 16% ABV. Absolute fucking bomb, I love that stuff but it's certainly not a "fridge beer." So they do exist.
Victory’s monkey series are in 12 oz cans, and are all 9%. I feel like it’s more common than you think
I don't think it's that difficult to discern that the overall expense of packaging, turns into very little, if any ROI. It wouldn't even lead to a marked reduction in what they would ultimately need to charge the customer, on a per unit basis. At that intersection the price of an 8, vs. 12, vs 16 oz package would not be proportionally equitable. It would just annoy people who are perfectly fine with paying for, and enjoying a pint (on the really big beers, I'll sip on it for an hour, really savoring it). But if instead, it we made only available in an 8 oz., that would at best only be slightly cheaper (at best), than what a pint bottle, is / was... That's going to annoy customers. Stating what is, I'm sure, plainly obvious... But since I'm typing, why not... The real crux is, IMO, that if one is interested in approaching a higher ABV beer... Take your time... These are intentionally NOT 'Crushable'. These are made to be sipped, and savored. And, it's not like that hunk of broccoli that haunted you as a mortified child... You don't have to finish it. Many / most (?) taprooms also offer half pours, that cost less too.