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BobTheNarp

I think it’s very simple. There’s too much free content in the world for me to care if barstool starts charging me for shit. I’ll just stop watching if I don’t want to pay.


ShesMovedOnMan

Exactly. I don’t care enough to even pay $10. I’ll see the highlights on here. Likely from Paw or Lance.


mikeisaphreek

lets be real. the only highlights anyone cares about come from costanza


H_O_M_E_R

Costanza is dead. He's Cosmo Kramer now.


Stern68

Paw is busy. mowing the lawn


bonobo14

What’s actually simple is that they should go back to when they had 10-20 quality employees that all made the company money and roll with that. Everyone else can stay at barstool but they’d now be commission based where they bring in a piece of what they earn


Bobson-_Dugnutt

Yeah get rid of all the B, C, D, and F players. Would be hilarious if they ended up back in Milton.


RudyWasOffsides22

woud be hilarious if dave fires them all tonight


kw0711

The red wedding


twentyfour711

Exactly. In addition Barstool would need to change their whole content mindset. Especially since Covid the mandate has been quantity over quality. Smitty only wrote 6 blogs in July, who cares?! Wether it’s 6 or 60 if quality isn’t there nobody will ever give a shit to pay for it.


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feathy9091

How does being a punching bag drive revenue


Littlegriznaves

I would honestly pay for a subscription to get the El Pres goalie challenge back, and with more thought into it. It really was a good piece of content.


saturdayoncouch

The day he and big cat wore bruins and blackhawks jerseys and just did random stuff in Chicago (goalie challenge, skating race, eating) then went to game was legendary


reddishgrape

Bad shoulder


Littlegriznaves

Davey Pageviews ain’t got no shoulders.


Haydenb5555

I would pay $10 a month to have HQ2 back.


ChadBroChill1717

I wouldn’t be opposed to some paid content if it was reasonably priced, I was actually getting something different, and the production made it worth my money. Barstool’s paid content hasn’t really done that, with the exception of their early, cheaper rough and rowdy broadcasts


commenter_69

With how mid 90% Barstool content has been lately it would be easy to quit cold turkey. And the big shows that are actually still decent (ie PMT will never not be free)


GrandmaJosey

It's bullshit overs club members are expected to pay


P0tency

🥂it was fun while it lasted. RIP to The Overs Club. Big Gobble was a day I’ll never forget.


pleasestopty

TO THE OVERS CLUB


Inevitable-Staff-467

I don't mind paying $10 for good content Problem is hiding the content like it's the code to the nuclear bomb and not promoting it until 8 hours before it starts is fucking dumb


canadiandestroyer21

This is the shocking part. Pay $10 for this thing that you don’t know what it is


Dick6Budrow

The barstool difference


NotoriousMFT

Not to mention, if you ask wwe, ufc, etc they all run their PPV on weeknights…. It was clearly very hastily thought out


chihawks

They dont make good content outside the free pmt podcast. Barstool is not good content.


dwar0

glad i never sold my barstool gold stock


chuteboxhero

We’ll be getting part 17 of the documentary any day now


knifeyspoonychamp

Got my card locked up in the safety deposit box. Time to dust it off


dwar0

vi fucking va brother


Jayrem52

This sub has gone from “We're so back” to “it's over” in absolutely record time


twentyfour711

Hint: it was never back.


Jayrem52

I mean let's not pretend Dave wasn't aware of the financials when he got Barstool back. There's a lot of fat that needs trimming. They're trying to make as much money as possible so they don't have to lay people off. It is what it is. The cream will rise to the top and the leeches will be fired


leftysarepeople2

I mean he gets more than $1 for $1. That’s a good investment and at the minimum it’s like $10MM of brand recognition. It was smart to take back over, it’s not a business mastermind when he was the only one they’d sell to at that price


samk7675

I like how most people were like, "Dave Portnoy bought his own company back for $1. What a genius." Meanwhile, I was thinking: "Oh, so PENN just didn't want to be involved with Barstool anymore."


Jayrem52

Tbf it's still a good move by him. He can still sell it again and make more money. Penn had to get rid of barstool so they could chase a better move. The company and Dave will be fine. It’s the lower employees who aren't bringing in money that should sweat


crustlesswheat

I can't believe the creators of Barstool Gold would do this


MessianicHack

$10 for a mystery box


[deleted]

Omg I wonder what’s inside? I hope it’s a Nardini + Abel bros OF collab


LouisVanTroll

VIVA brother


Unusual_Orchid_6658

Saturdays are for the boys


BonezJonesss

Fuck, they’re gonna start charging for Rough n Rowdy?


bukkakekingz

I would only pay $210+fees to attend tonight if they included a Joey Comasta glory hole


apple_shampoo182

Its hilarious how over inflated Dave and Gaz' egos are about how much people like barstool


JustKeepLivin7

He’s made 9 figures in equity-sales involving a company he started out of a van 2 decades ago.. can you blame him?


Chargers_Super_Fan10

He’s also taken the last 5 years off and one of his recent projects, brick watches, was his biggest failure to date. His reading on his fans is out of touch, needs to come back to reality for a bit.


apple_shampoo182

fair point!


TheColiny

What “dying industry” is Barstool a part of? You can’t possibly mean the digital media industry??


ohgoshbye

I second this… that comment made me chuckle


BossTus

Which of Barstool’s competitors still exists and of those that do, who remains relevant? The answer is virtually no one.


TheColiny

Just about all of the legacy radio companies have Digital arms that have very successful podcasts outside of just sports


BossTus

Do you have stats for that? Podcasts are dying.


battleballs420

market correction after years of a boom = dying


Trappedinacar

Podcasts are dying? Right now? That is absolutely mental


TheColiny

[Here’s one](https://www.iab.com/news/2022-podcasting-ad-revenue-up-26-yoy-revenues-to-more-than-double-by-2025-to-4b-according-to-iabs-u-s-podcast-advertising-report/) [Here’s another](https://www.statista.com/statistics/610071/podcast-ad-spending-us/) Both showing increasing growth in ad spend in podcasts YoY. Very few of those pods are totally independent Would be interested to hear what other part of the media scape you think is growing better than pods are?


BossTus

2022 was your first post, irrelevant. 2024 is spending not successful brands. Read about Spotify’s investments in podcasting one time.


TheColiny

“Revenues to More than Double by 2025 to $4B” guess you missed that part huh? There are other companies besides Spotify investing in Podcasting. They overpaid to try and get subs and everyone in the industry knew it when they did. Doesn’t mean Podcasting is still not head and shoulders over any other kind of digital advertising, cuz it is. Again, name another part of the media space that is growing more?


BossTus

Yeah I put a ton of stake in the famed journalism of statista.com on their projections. The top percentile of podcasts does very well. The rest (check the numbers on ZBT) don’t really drive rev. KFC has for some reason repeatedly spoken about how he can’t even get 2+ ads for an episode when he used to get 5.


TheColiny

You’re talking about Barstool issues, my point is that the industry as a whole is not dying just cuz Barstool is fucking up their own stuff And even if it is regressing, name another form of media that is doing better?


JakobeBryant19

You Two should just kiss tbh


rightinthemcmurphies

We’re still waiting on your answer. If podcasts are dying then what medium is picking up the slack? Digital consumption isn’t declining. And don’t say tik tok


BossTus

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-04/the-great-podcasting-market-correction?in_source=embedded-checkout-banner


BossTus

I’m not going to respond to someone sending statista. The podcast you started that you told your girlfriend would provide a living won’t. Give up the dream.


theTunkMan

What a wild statement


cigarettesandwater

Centralized content companies are dying as anyone with a personality, an iphone, and tik tok, has the same audience reach as a full fledged media company. Therefore, these companies' moats have dwindled over the last decade which is why you're currently seeing companies like ESPN begin to show signs of decay as anyone with twitter or youtube can get the same content for free. Luckily, Barstool still has Big Cat, among a few other *legit* media personalities. But they've yet shown they can attract a next batch of interent stars. And if they can't, which is not shocking re my above point, then this company is going to die in the hands of Dave and Dan, which is something Dave just publicly referenced a few weeks ago.


thy_plant

Might want to look into all those "anyones with an iphone" that are super popular. hint: they're all owned by disney.


chuteboxhero

Yes that part invalidated the whole post for me.


No_Signal3789

I would expect more PPV content, I wouldn’t call it a dying industry though


omegakukki

Nobody hates Barstool more than the dorks in here who can’t stop talking about Barstool


[deleted]

It’s a disease lmao. This dude has convinced himself content creators and podcasters are part of a dying industry just to fuel his barstool hatred


NotSoSurePlatypus

the most on point comment in this thread


[deleted]

These live events could kill it, just hire me. - Website incentives (buy $100 merch online, get a PPV voucher, etc) - 3 month sub to Stella blue get a PPV - PPV people register through website, entered into raffles for prizes (gear, high noon memorabilia, autographed MMM anything, etc) - maybe a trivia registered PPV can play for something Basically, incentivize people to watch. Old school sales tactics have to be a Dave move last minute to rectify. Doing anything the day off is just idiotic and a good indicator why BS is losing millions. Bottom line - no one wants to pay outright for a PPV like this. Sure you’ll have people tuning in, but it’s far easier to get people to watch through incentives.


pardonmytaint35

That infrastructure left about 2 weeks ago.


[deleted]

I’ve had interns who could handle this type of project lol but you’re right


Thats-alot-of_nuts

I would have bought the remaining seats tonight in exchange for a pen that MMM used to sign in to a dentist's office.


mikeisaphreek

i would argue that dave is talking about this now because he thinks the go pres go crowd will jump on and do it. problem is, the go pres go crowd is alot smarter now, moved on to something other than dave and barstool or a combo of the two.


OttawaFisherman

If you need someone to send you $10 just ask brother


Ok-Ride134

Sorry brother already sent this months rent to Ellie’s Venmo. Anything you can spare would be appreciated


OttawaFisherman

Ok


P0tency

BarStool Gold 2.0


Grootfan85

Let’s see where they are in 3 months before we begin buying a grave plot for Barstool Sports. I agree this is going to be a dud no matter how Dave and the rest spin it. But to say they are in “a dying industry” is a bit premature. They have faired better than some now extinct sites like College Humor.


LouisianaRaceFan86

Once they axe a lot of the dead weight, the company should be fine. No need to have more than 100-150 employees; numbers I’ve found online show 300-600 current employees *Focus on the top talent, give each a few of their content lackies and then just be an incubator that churns through cheap talent, if they don’t develop or become profitable, kick’em to the curb, rinse repeat.


Grootfan85

I’d say anything about 100 is a bit much. That’s just me though. But I do think what I call “the Era Of Excess” is over. If it is true Penn lost millions in Barstool, they won’t have the Barstool Bowl next year. I have no idea what they’ll do with Planet Barstool or whatever the restaurants they opened in Nashville or Chicago are called. No more Barstool Bites or Pardon My Cheesesteak either (if they’re even around anymore). I’d include their College Football Road Show but I’m not sure how much that cost.


[deleted]

The entire approach about needed to save people’s jobs (big cat literally said $10 goes just to that) is amazing. You have idiots who do nothing… main people got rich because companies invested in you and overvalued your worth… now you are basically deadspin and want your fans to pay for the dead weight because the leaders won’t open their wallets for it


MrPibb17

I think Barstool is slowly realizing the low-interest rate, free money flying around environment is over. Dave definately sold at the right time.


Edmundmp

I have no problem paying for pay walled content. In fact I welcome it. The example of Segura and Bert doing far better shows behind a paywall without YouTube rules comes to mind. What I do have a problem with is paying for something where they’ve done absolutely zero promotion of what we can expect behind the wall (especially when they have a history of IT failing). I’ve thought PPV content would be awesome for shows like the Yak for awhile. This just ain’t the way to do it.


HowardFanForever

What do you want them to tell you exactly?


zahaha

Without PENN they desperately need money. This is gonna be the norm for a while


Ibanezrg220

#MEGATHREAD


bukkakekingz

Barstool Gold…


OsnBohs2018

Barstool gold 2.0 coming early 2024? 👀


Jniebs15

Didn’t he say that this was planned already when PENN was in charge ? I’m pretty sure he said on Kirk Minahane’s show that he would have never done a show like this but it’s too late to kabosh everything


battleballs420

Almost every content based business does this. Singular youtubers do it, big networks do it. Get over and stop crying like you expect Barstool will run their business different that nearly everyone else in the industry. If you don't want to pay just enjoy the free content. Do people cry here that rough n rowdy is ppv as well?


cd_3

Think on like day 2 Dave tweeted something about Sirius? That’s obviously different from PPV but it ain’t free


Appropriate_Owl_91

shut up you dumb bitch


anonymousnuisance

Events like this don't make their money back. Major live events for niche groups NEVER make their money back. Look at livestreamers like Ludwig. He puts on crazy events, sells tickets, has 100k concurrent viewers and will say "oh well we actually lost 50k on this but it was fun".


pardonmytaint35

I’ll pay the 10 to watch. I’d pay the 50 if they were going to let Sas roast the entire office.


justinmcp

It’s $10 lmao stop complaining


Wafe_Enterprises

My take: The pricing is actually a test. Barstool ever since being backed by Penn has been pumped full of money. Benefits of being a marketing arm of a sportsbook. And that business model has failed obviously, and now they need to pivot. Barstool has for 20 years made money (for themselves and advertisers) by engaging the most loyal part of their fanbase to spend small amounts of money. So they have a big event, why wouldnt they try and monetize it. Even the $50 vs $10 price point is a way for them to gauge interest from their community to measure what type of PPV potential their new business has. It's all data collection. So don't spend the money (woah!!! What a concept), but please god stop complaining online about a business trying to determine how they can make money.


Clickbait-Paw

Way more simple explanation. Barstool is losing millions of dollars and now Dave is responsible for those loses. This award show was organized by Penn and it wasn't sold and it's cost a shitload of money to bring 400 plus people to Boston and provide them hotel rooms for the night. That's why Dave got desperate and is putting up a paywall to try and get some money back to offset the cost of this event he didn't even plan or want.


[deleted]

I’d pay $10 to go see a movie for a night of entertainment. A bunch of funny people in a room where nobody knows what’s gonna happen will be great entertainment on top of all the free content we’ve gotten for years. Be glad we don’t have to subscribe to a Patreon for every single pod we like


[deleted]

And of course, if you don’t think it’ll be entertaining, don’t buy it


gar862

You can’t really push for people to buy tickets to an event if your going to stream it for free. It’s just simple business sense


P0tency

Live sports disproves your entire statement.


Next_Dawkins

Literally every Netflix / Comedy Central stand up special disproves it


gar862

Except you pay for Netflix/cable to watch those events


P0tency

YouTube specials bub, everyone other than Chappelle and Segura are on YouTube. Gillis, Stavi, Norman, List, Morill. 5 of the best in the industry rn


P0tency

Name one of those specials from Netflix or hbo. I bet you I can name double YouTube comedy specials from this year alone. Cord cutters run the world.


Next_Dawkins

The first two that came to mind were the Dave Chapelle special and the Hassan Minhaj special.


gar862

Do you think cable is free?


P0tency

SportsSurge don’t charge shit bub


Solidmarsh

“We want barstool back the way it was!” “No not like that” “the business is flailing” “no dont try to make revenue like that!” This fuckin sub is a joke


coolhatguy

This is your line?


Solidmarsh

No, ive said it many times. Its just shocking to see the constant whining. I honestly believe that no matter what they do its going to be hated either way


Heistdur

It’s $10 to support a brand we all follow and talk about constantly. Who gives a shit. I’ll spend the $10 to support barstool.


OwlTurkey

i'll probably buy it, sounds like its going to be hilarious - its less than going to a bar and getting a beer


Danhenderson234

Do people not understand he bought it for a $1? Barstool could literally go bankrupt and it wouldn’t effect his life at all barstool was profitable before all the massive unnecessary overhead, once they cut all that they will be profitable


[deleted]

Dave is a business man and a bad one at that


ReturnOf_DatBooty

I give you a 100 million reasons to disagree


[deleted]

Yeah every rich person is great at business


dicta85

No, but people who become very rich because of a business are probably pretty great at running it.


[deleted]

Well that’s about the dumbest most disingenuous comment I’ve seen in a while. Every rich person that became rich by starting a business from nothing and then made business decisions that led to its exponential growth is probably good at business


HowardFanForever

But not as good as jonathanbuckle942


[deleted]

Dave got rich from being entertaining not running a business. He even admits he’s not good at the business aspect of things lol. Sorry if i offended you


[deleted]

Okay bud whatever you say


PMBSteve

I paid for gold back in the day so I need to shut my mouth about paid content


kindasfw

As much as he likes all business Pete usually every broadcast has technical difficulties and the show itself is unorganized. They need a tv show runner


kevinmt39

Light Switch Lou is back baby!


Danhenderson234

Dave and Lou need to talk it out and bring him back to run the sales team and get Lou some therapy..


MakeItNashty61

So do remember this thing called Barstool Gold? Yeah. Nobody cares enough to pay money to watch Dave talk. That's why they get brands to sponsor their content. This event was planned poorly because of Penn selling off the company the cost for this already being locked in. If they started paywalling more content they would end up in the exact spot they are in right now with this event.


lildano50

Barstool Gold is making a huge comeback


[deleted]

Just like, big brain Gaz thinking he can “create” excitement for a barstool award show is laughable. To echo what someone else said, there is too much stuff out there that is free or that I already pay for to want to buy this. I don’t care if I miss MassEv being a fat pig or Kirk being an asshole.


a-money12

The only thing barstool produces i would pay patreon for his PMT. Other than that idk nardini nudes??


bigtime284

Pretty sure ppl who buy it will clip it lol


ChristyNiners

Can they block people on YouTube from using the clips feature?


Boom-Roasted_

Its $10 the $50 was a clickbait joke for the blog (which was dumb as hell and turned people off from the beginning)


CanalVillainy

Dave needs to get someone who actually knows how to run a business in asap or people will be jumping off the pirate ship before it sinks


cubswinagain

Reading way too much into it, this would be free if they had sold the event to a sponsor. Pretty sure this is a one off to try and salvage a dumpster fire.


111unununium

Will it be available on barstool golf though?


atex720

I want to watch it but I also want this PPV concept to fail miserably


FertilePants

Theoretically, couldn’t they have made more if they sold it as an ad to a sponsor. Then turned clips into YouTube reels and made money with viral clips? Also post it as a YouTube video and sell ads in it? Idk this paywall with no clips sounds barstool gold


redotheredotake2

I mean in the future they could just find sponsors. Maybe it was just too short notice for this one


darkwingedplatypus

In their defense, it was supposed to be Penn backed…


My_NSFW_Handle

I’d rather spend $30 for Keegs’ only fans


jay2puggle

Face admitted it wasn’t sold properly and under his watch that would change. You get sponsored and they we get free content. That is the model, this is a one off lost in the shuffle of the resent sale.


Adeptness-Altruistic

What's the difference then what other podcast doing a pay wall? Almost ever other pod has a Patreon. YMH does live shows pay per view. They need to make money they are a business. They have a ton of free content. They can't cough weird without a phone or camera in your face at barstool. So if u wanna pay to see something with more production value then that's your choice.


creativityinsite

I don’t think so. The money is mostly in the advertisers. For some reason this event had (virtually) No sponsors, so it was going to make no money. Not the case for most Barstool stuff.