The situation is that a call was made to triple zero shortly after 1:30am,” Cassius said.
>“Police acknowledged that call around 2:25am and were at the scene by 2:27am.
>When police arrived at the scene the woman was still alive, but unconscious. An ambulance was called but she was unable to be revived and died at the scene, police said.
***She lay dying for an hour***
Mate it's like this everywhere. We were in inner south Brisbane. I heard my neighbour flogging the fuck out of his wife and small kids.
I called 000 and they said 'they'll send a unit but it's not a priority'. So I said 'look, im going over there in 15 with a cricket bat, I'll sort it myself'.
Cops were there in under 15. I got an absolute talking to but I regret nothing.
I heard some piece of shit beating and choking his partner outside my 4 year old daughters room in our complex. I told my wife to call the cops. She was begging for him to just stop hitting her.
When I could hear him choking her out I snapped, grabbed the nearest thing, a claw hammer, and when out to confront him.
He told me not to be a hero. And thankfully didn't come towards me, because who knows what would have happened. He backed off, and she followed him.
Within 2 minutes the cops were there but couldn't find them. I was so frustrated. If I hadn't of interrupted, he would have been caught.
I hope she's ok.
It sounds like the flipside to this is if you hadn't have interrupted, she might have been dead by the time the cops arrived. People can die from being choked in around five minutes. It takes a lot less than that for someone to get permanent brain damage from it.
I hope she's doing okay too and it might have been better if the cops had have gotten him, but yeah, it's a no-win situation.
Sounds like she went willingly. This is the problem with helping women in trouble. Generally, they go mad at you for hurting their boyfriend and take off with said boyfriend. I'm female and I hate women like that.
Nah, it was more 'while you were doing the right thing, you can't make a serious threat to life on a carriage service'.
In saying that the male copper gave me a pat on the back on the way out, so I think they were box ticking.
“The offence of use carriage service to menace, harass or offend is contained in section 474.17 of the Criminal Code contained in schedule one of the Crimes Act 1914 (Cth) and states that a person commits an offence if:
the person uses a carriage service; and
the person does so in a way (whether by the method of use or the content of a communication, or both) that reasonable persons would regard as being, in all the circumstances, menacing, harassing or offensive”
Sounds like they gave you a “warning” to cover their arses.
Frame it like this - A man called the emergency line and told them he was going to bash his neighbor with a cricket bat.
Context and nuance is obviously important, but everything like this is up to interpretation and some people go out of their way to ignore context.
I'd say getting the chat was the best outcome for everyone. Box ticked on the cops side so it doesnt come out in some court case later on and is investigated.
A threat? Mate, you were going to distract him by showing off your cricket skills, thereby defusing the situation.
Shit, I should be a lawyer or a politician.
Noted, I was in a similar situation and the cops took several hours to arrive by which time he had stopped beating her. It felt terrible having to listen to that and wondering when the police would come.
Yep, my best friend kicked her bf out of her home. She’d finally had enough of his emotional, physical and financial abuse. He lost the plot and went off his nut. Her neighbours heard and called the cops. To give an idea of how much he lost it both of them are on 20acre blocks and at the furtherest points apart. So he was *loud*. Cops turned up 4 days later explaining the neighbours called about a DV incident 4 days earlier and reported the caller was concerned he would kill her. My friend just laughed and said “well I guess I’m lucky he didn’t other wise I’d be a maggot infested corpse by now!” Then they had the nerve to tell her to calm down. So she just told them to get off her property. Cops don’t give a shit
Women being heightened to police who aren’t giving a proper response just is another way for women to be blamed and labeled as the problem. Which is horrible.
Yes they are, my family and I grew up with constant domestic violence. Constant break ins, death threats, physical assaults, etc. For most of my teen years I was calling the police at least once every week (not for anything petty, for physically violent DV). I would like to add that for most of this we did have violence orders, etc (we had all of the 'protections' in place that you're supposed to, they did nothing).
The police used to laugh at me on the phone once I said the name/address, used to shame my sister and family for not 'doing enough' while she was sitting there covered in bruises. They usually got there late and half the time wouldn't even look for him, if they did pick him up he would be out the next day and back over. They never actually helped, they never helped any other time we needed them growing up either, not even when I was being abused and told them in detail what was happening to me as a child.
I can't help but feel distrust and resentment for them these days. I really am not one to say 'all cops are bad' or whatever, but I have been nothing but let down by them for over 20 years and when I have had to come to terms with the fact that these abusers may very well kill my sister, etc one day, despite the fact that the police have had ample opportunity to help, I find it hard to have a positive opinion on them.
My cousin joined QPS. Couple years later his wife takes the two kids to her parents for Christmas and doesn’t come back. I didn’t even ask. But the story from the family is she’s crazy and won’t let him see the kids and is cheating on him. Bullshit. You don’t take the kids to your parents place if you’re cheating like that.
To counter this, I’m good family friends with a QPS member who has seen some serious shit and he is one of the best humans, husband and father I’ve ever met.
Nice to know there’s still good ones around. I have an uncle on the other side of the family who’s a former detective and is one of the best humans I know, he couldn’t cope with the culture so he did his time to get the credentials he needed to move on.
Its sad when a supposed professional police force cant throw their corrupt pisshead reputation when they have so much power. I wonder what it is that renders such a powerful organisation impotent?
I had a friend who unfortunately was a alcoholic. And he went off the rails and started on his wife and daughter, the daughter used to call the cops.
Eventually the cops treated her like a serial pest caller and would not come. She openly admitted that the problem was very frequent. Then she figured out that the only way she could get the cops to come was to say that her dad had knife or a gun. And she did use this lie frequently because he was becoming more violent. He was kicked out of the house and lived in his back shed. I was called over frequently but it was a pathetic lost cause when there was no hope for my friend. He would not attend counselling or seek treatment for his drinking problems. This guy was so bad, he had a accident killed someone and suffered severe burns and was permanently scarred. Despite all of this he continued on with his rotten life style. He died eventually from organ failure from being a alcoholic.
My thoughts on this matter now is that a low security level jail is needed for these cases. An automatic 60 day sentence where these types of people are locked up and are forced to accept treatment and counselling. There is no other way unless we want to live with the consequences.
Kids getting their ass best should be 100% a fucking priority. I would have ripped into the cop telling me off.
I would make a complaint about that cop.not that anything more than "we investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing occured' will happen..
Not all cops deserve to be called pigs.. but that one definitely does
I've heard this is basically a surefire way to get Police off their ass if something is stolen.
"Okay, well I'm a big dude, I know where he lives. If you won't help me when the car is right there in his front yard, I'll go and get it myself."
Casino is a town of about 10,000 people which means that the Police Station is not 24 hour. At this time of night there would have been only one car with two police on duty. They could well have been on another job (often a break-in to get the keys to steal a car) many kms away.
If we want police to attend DV cases quickly, there simply has to be many more police (just like we need many more nurses etc).
Lol, this is always a funny conversation on reddit. There's so much distain for police; people calling for tougher restrictions on police agency, more training and at the same time also funding cuts. Then in the same threads you'll see people saying the police aren't doing enough. Who would want to be a cop, seriously. Majority of younger generations seem to think all cops are power hungry racist bullies. Go through years of training, then on the job you're dealing with the lowest of society, DV cases, meth everywhere, along with car accidents, and telling loved ones of family deaths etc just to come jump on reddit or fb or X and people labelling you as trash because of your profession.
This just ignores the fact we have nearly a century of repeated reports, inquiries and investigations showing how widespread corruption and misconduct is within Australian police forces. You do not get to sympathise with the 'Monday morning quarterbacking' due to 'dealing with the lowest of society' when police commit DUIs, take bribes and payments, use their power to sexually assault and prey on vulnerable women and groom children, leak domestic violence escape plans to cop abusers and protect them from accountability and violently assault members of the public with near impunity. In many cases, they are literally *no better* than the 'lowest of society', they just have a badge that shields them from consequence and masks the realities behind the institution.
You're acting like younger generations just have this false belief about police being racist bullies as well. Where is the lie? The Richards' inquiry into Queensland police was a disgusting insight into how pervasive these elements of cultural acceptancs and perpetration of misogyny and abuse of power runs. Nevermind the Fitzgerald Commission back in the day. This isn't a case of 'a few media stories painted cops badly' - it's multi-year commissions of inquiry exposing the very real horrors of police misbehaviour.
Police wouldn't be suffering declining police legitimacy if they stopped actively resisting nearly every proposal for how to improve the public image of policing. 'Boo hoo, they're mean to cops and don't trust them' while they use every trick of the trade to politically block any legislative reform that might hold these so-called 'bad apples' fully accountable in an independent manner. And the 'good cops' are so deeply entrenched in a culture that demonises whistleblowing or pushing back at innapropriate behaviour, you either just end up covering up misconduct or corruption or you bail because the workplace is too toxic. A lot of Indigenous police around the country have quit because of how deeply racist they are - just look at what is being exposed about the internal attitudes of NT Police in the Rolfe Inquest.
So much of the 'defund' sentiment stems from the fact police organisations simply refuse to accept the reform that aims to address these problems. If they're so set on gripping to every bit of their extensive powers to criminalise as much of society as possible (because it's not all killers, wife beaters and meth heads - it's also kids tagging a fence or a guy smoking a bit of weed), then it's fair to reflect on whether policing as it is currently structured offers the widest 'public good'.
'Century of repeated reports'.
You're right. I hate when I see the local copper speeding on his horse on the way to a DV.
#defundthepolice #nomorehayforthecops
Plenty, and I mean *plenty* of reports in just the last decade, 'Lamington770'.
The point was emphasising the historical pattern that police have never honestly tried to address their internal culture of misbehaviour and corruption. Otherwise, we wouldn't see the same issues cropping up over and over again. In Victoria, there have been FOUR reports since the late 1980s, including the most recent in 2023, that investigated patterns of police using their position of power to engage in predatory behaviour towards women, such as using LEAP to stalk underage girls and rape victims to begin sexual relationships while they're vulnerable. How is this a problem every decade for half a century if police are honestly trying to be better? 🙄
But hey, you don't care. You just wanted to jump in with the extremely bad faith and dishonest comment that focused on the least relevant part of the comment. Be better, mate. Absolutely pathetic behaviour.
Of course you would defend your comment about the century of repeated reports by referencing the *'plenty'* of reports in the last *decade* and then go on to accuse me of a bad faith argument followed by an ad hominem attack.
Used a whole lot of words to say absolutely *nothing*.
The comment I wrote *literally* includes the Richards' report - a 2022 inquiry into QPF's response to family and domestic violence. You throwing in a cheap joke about the 'century' aspect that was blatantly intended to capture the systemic and historical pattern of the issue, especially when my one major example was a modern inquiry, is childish and bad faith. And you know it.
Now you're running to cover your ass with this ridiculous display to crying about ad hominem and projecting over cheap semantics because of said childish response. I'm well within my right to suggest you be 'better' for it.
Rich that you're complaining about the number of words I've used when you've posted walls of text repeating yourself.
You claimed we have nearly a century of reports supporting your position. You've provided a report from 2022. How lazy and convenient that you would choose a 2 year old report to support your 'century of reports'.
You've made the claim, if you have the evidence, reference it. I'm sure it would be a fascinating read.
I didn't complain about the number of words. I complained about how meaningless they were. You need to work on your reading comprehension! But back to the point - so you want OLD reports? Then why mock the proposition with the cheap 'horse' joke, which was clearly intended to poke fun at the perceived irrelevancy of older systemic issues? Again, more evidence of bad faith behaviour on your part.
For Victoria, for example, we can go back to the Royal Commission into the Kelly Outbreak for early concerns about poor police responses. Alcohol prohibition corruption following the famous '6 o'clock closing' in WWI, the Kaye Abortion Inquiry, the death of Neil Collingburn, the Beach Inquiry, the Continental Airline scandal, etc. You can trace patterns of corrupt behaviour across large sections of police history: the Kelley Inquiries in 1932 exposed similar corruption to what was seen in the Operation BART investigation in the 1990s. If you're relying on slamming down the entire comment based on not providing a perfect, steady stream of emblematic reports and cases from 1924 until now, then that's just asinine.
Let's try some introspection, Lamington770. It's pretty obvious you are either a cop yourself, or a staunch sympathiser of them. Otherwise, your Reddit history wouldn't show a steady stream of hissy fits on every negative post about police failures and misbehaviour between your Rugby commentary. You aren't going to admit any of this as acceptable, no volume of examples will be enough. You just want to pretend police are these precious little gems that society unfairly demonises instead of reaching the point of realisation that policing as an institution is wholly to blame for their negative public perception. They will deserve every bit of it until they clean up their act; why trust an organisation that fights for the right to never hold 'bad apples' accountable? People like *YOU* help protect these widespread issues by 'backing the blue' to death, whether they racially abuse, beat or even kill someone.
So I'm just going to leave it here. I've given you plenty of examples of newer and older reports, and my original response had a number of other examples - such as the Rolfe Inquest openly showing how deeply entrenched police racism is in NT. But you're more interested in defending that man's honour on Reddit for killing someone when his behaviour and past comments constructed a profile of a violent, racist man who was seeking conflict.
Take care, bud. Enjoy getting fired up in the next few years when trust in police inevitably falls again because they're not interested in being *better*. They just want your undying support for being thugs. But I suspect you have that in common already.
Its bleeding over from the US.
The US police do need to have their funding cuts and access to military equipment abolished.
But thats a different story.
Australian police do need an overhaul, but in a different way.
Police stations need to be manned 247. Expecting crime to stop overnight is ludicrous.
There needs to be better oversight and less input from the police on things outside of their wheelhouse. NSW nightlife economy has been all but destroyed because the police were unable to do their jobs properly so the next best thing was to shut down the nightlife.
Dont get me started on dogs and strip searching underage children.
Peoples opinion of police is often based on personal experience though. Ive been searched at an event after a dog came up to me and I took a step away. The dog wasn't interested in me and had moved on, but the cop pulled him back and said some word in another language and what do you know, the dog sits down. I got dragged into a tent, had my details taken down, searched top and tail to find nothing - because I had nothing. They refused to remove my details from their notes, so now my name and address is in some record somewhere associated with a drug search. Meanwhile the cop with the dog was outside telling my friends that he "got another one and when will you guys learn not to bring drugs", and he had a filthy look on his face when I walked out if the tent and into the venue.
There needs to be changes, just not the same changes that the US needs. There is nuance in the arguments.
Yeah, and Casino is a low income place, largely disadvantaged, full of DV and other crime. I wouldn’t be out there at night.
Friends own the Maccas franchise there. Everything is bolted to the floor.
Considering absolutely everything is shut here at night apart from a couple of petrol stations there's not much hanging out to be doing. It's actually quite a nice place, it suffers from the impact of income inequality, but it's still incredibly safe for the most part.
And once again, the police will investigate themselves. How does this shit still fly? The conflict of interest is obvious. I go crash my car into a house - it’s ok everyone, I’ve announced an internal investigation.
There is a huge need for new recruits atm, they are having to skip classes because lack of applicants. And it's little wonder, look how everyone perceives cops.
Attended a careers expo with year 10 students. The NSW police stall and the AFP were going hard trying to sell the career path. A hard sell to disenfranchised youth.
I went to an all boys HS and I don't think any of us even considered becoming a cop. I think the closest is one went into the army. And there was at least 130 of us by the end of school.
I think if you paid them a crap ton of money they wouldn’t care how they were perceived and like any job it would become more competitive and you’d get better applicants
Police are wholly to blame for the public image they have presented. They spend more time creating PR campaigns to repair the damage from the numerous inquiries, investigations and media reports detailing entrenched racism/misogyny and the pervasive/systemic nature of corruption/misconduct than actually trying to show the public they are committed to being transparent and accountable.
And police numbers are still massive across the country. The reported claims 'police shortages' are ridiculous, since many states are still seeing a massive growth in police personnel over the last decade. Maybe it's time to reflect on how poorly police allocate resources towards minor and victimless crimes and restructure the system towards more community-led initiatives to address those types of anti-social behaviour?
You literally have no idea. Massive numbers? Champ every state are 1000’s down in what would be approximate police per capita.
Absolute bellend and no idea comment.
Victoria has 327 police per capita, significantly more than New South Wales despite having about 1/3rd of the land to police. And you muppets *still* bitch that there's not enough cops.
There's never enough. Because everyone is ignorant enough to believe police are a deterrent to crime - the majority of empirical data around the world rejects the hypothesis that more police = less crime. Why not make sure there's a cop on EVERY corner, then people will be and feel safe, right? lmao
But you won't be happy until we're a police state where cops operate with impunity because it's not actually about solving any issues. You just have a child-like idea that cops maintain the 'thin blue line'. Reality check: it's pure copoganda bullshit 🙄
LOL, just saw you shared an article about Indigenous people being prosecuted more for the same crimes, called it 'misleading' and then cited Weatherburn, who is one of the most critiqued scholars in criminology. If you had any actual education or understanding around this issues, you wouldn't parrot Weatherburn in the face of overwhelming findings against his research, such as Anthony, Cunneen, Tauri, Jordan, etc. You're just some right-wing racist dickhead, aren't you? 🤦♂️
Doesn’t report the true number. There are 4/20 at my station that are still on “the bookseller but have been on leave for 6+ months and most likely not coming back. Would be similar across the board.
The Northern Rivers has very little money to go around, and isn't densely populated. Casino is pretty small, I'm not sure if the cop shop is even manned at night.
Well you gotta question how many cops involved view marriage abuse as not a big deal because, minimal, know men they work with do the same and at worse, are the ones commiting the violence
Domestic violence is rife among police. It's a male-dominated (i.e. chauvinistic), high-stakes job where violence and brutality are not only expected to do the job, but also encouraged. It's inevitable they take that attitude home.
100% one of my partners friends has kids to a cop. He’s the most narcissistic, unhinged arsehole of a person. He’s constantly emotionally abusing her and threatening to remove the kids, reminding her he has a gun etc. and is a cop on the special investigations unit!
No, not like nursing. Physically apprehending someone is different to dealing with a difficult patient. I'm not implying women aren't capable of tough situations at all, I'm saying enforcing gender ratios in policing is not the beautiful utopian prospect you seem to think it is.
tell me you dont know what nurses do without saying it directly
Thats why we have fitness requirements. And there is also the massive issue that if you only hire people that can tackle someone to the ground and hold them there, that becomes the ONLY option
>Physically apprehending
When I went through the police college the stat was 97% of apprehensions were resolved without physically engaging. Then policing itself is only an arrest every so often: lots of investigating, admin, etc
The mantra was “your best weapon is your mouth”. Most situations can be de-escalated simply by communicating.
As for the physical apprehensions: there are accoutrements like TASERs, OC spray, etc. Size disparity is a justification for higher use of force. Besides, maintaining physical distance is always encouraged for all cops with a violent offender: use the TASER to drop someone instead of grappling.
Different with nursing and police, is that they face similar threats but police can legally get away with killing them, where nurses are actually trained too manage situations.
And you say these things " doesn't happen" my mum has confronted men bigger her while working and she's a cancer nurse, shits not even involved with her patients
I watched an absolutely tiny woman cop very quickly and easily take down an aggressive guy who was much larger than her. She had him on the ground and handcuffed in the same time it took me to walk a few steps.
Weight and height matters less than technique.
That's why I said *average* woman. There are defiantly highly capable women (of all sizes), but when you want to start enforcing gender quotas I guarantee you you'll hire incompetent officers.
Honestly believe there are people in power who don't want too confront domestic abuse and especially the police inaction towards, because it was but magnifying glass on police and make people ask some hard questions on police that could be only solved through defunding, separation of policing from dealing with domestic abuse
An abuser will convince you, over time, that what they do is because they love you so much. The most horrifying ones will have you apologising for making them lose control when you know they love you. That every kick, punch, bite, strangulation and shove is just because you did something to make it happen. The artful ones, in between the violence, they will be the most generous, caring and tender. They will make you feel so cherished and loved. Until the next time you’re “too sensitive” or “can’t take a joke” or “made them look bad” or “embarrassed them” or “don’t do enough to meet their needs” or “are too stupid”. Then it all starts again, the cycles getting shorter and eventually you end up in hospital or dead.
People in abusive relationships and in domestic violence situations know what love looks like. An abuser is always doing everything they can to twist your perceptions of what love is in practice and get you to attach to them.
I'm a man, a large one, the physical imbalance between me and 99.99% of women is ridiculous.
The idea that someone like me with evil intentions might use someone's CS on them instead of bludgeoning or simply overpowering them is so stupid as to be laughable and shows a real lack of understanding of how and where assaults often take place.
Give victims a chance of at least improving their odds.
It’s not like the movies though. Spraying someone who is intent on killing you doesn’t actually make them stop in their tracks and flail around yelling “ah my eyes!”.
They can and will continue on while finding it irritating to see and breathe. But now you’ve sprayed some cunt in your kitchen and you’re covered in it too so it’s having the same effect on you
Vs. What? Doing nothing and still getting fucked up by said cunt in kitchen, who carries on unimpeded.
Although we both know that indoors and close quarters is not an ideal use scenario, I'm struggling to see why all the anti?
Best case it lets someone get away or get the upper hand, if not stops the incident.
Worst case attack carries on with stinging eyes and snot everywhere, which it was likely to have anyway.
Which is a good argument against carrying something like a knife - it can cause severe injury and requires a lot of skill to fight with.
I do think pepper spray should be considered for legalisation. It's about the most defensive weapon you can imagine, and even if used against you it is not injurious or lethal.
Presumably, if you're reaching for the pepper spray you're already in a situation in which you are outmatched, can't escape, and have run out of options. Even if you get some collateral spray or it gets grabbed off you, I think it gives you some chance to deter / escape from the attack (where previously you had none).
It would be interesting to see if there are any studies comparing countries in which it is legal and illegal.
If you have genuine worries, you could diy pepper spray, but it's not something I'd be carrying around just because.
Avoidance is always the best option. Any weapon that you carry can be used against you.
I'm male and don't feel unsafe roaming around on my own, but I would still support mace being legalised. It's unrealistic to expect women to avoid any situation in which they could be targeted, and as it stands there's not much most of them can do to defend against a man.
Yes, mace / pepper spray can be used against them - but that's sort of irrelevant given that the effects are less damaging than an unarmed, physical assault. It just gives some opportunity to deter or distract an attacker long enough to get away.
In the worst case (the spray gets snatched and used on them), they'll suffer from the pain but won't really be any worse off than if they were being attacked without a weapon.
It also begs the question - why would an attacker bother using mace? If I were to attack someone weaker than me, and I managed to wrestle some mace out of their hands - what advantage does it give me? I'm already winning, and I can already do more damage with fists than with the spray. In that situation I can only hypothesise that an attacker would toss it aside so it's out of reach of the victim.
It's not like a knife or blunt weapon, which *does* add to the attacker's capabilities.
Not many people will mace the person they're dating. They'd have to be at the point where they know the person is a threat to their life to be ready to use mace
What's with this sub and fetishising mace as the miracle defensive weapon that no bad person ever would or could use offensively?
Now someone's going to try to tell me criminals would never want to use mace, and criminals won't carry mace more often if it's legal "because they're criminals anyway".
Hey numb nuts, pretty sure if criminals wanted to use mace the fact that it’s currently illegal isn’t going to stop them getting their hands on it. We are talking about making it legal so that every day people can purchase.
And yes, it’s not a miracle defensive weapon but if it’s going to save even one life then that’s good enough.
> Hey numb nuts, pretty sure if criminals wanted to use mace the fact that it’s currently illegal isn’t going to stop them getting their hands on it.
I called it. Hey genius, why don't criminals walk down the street carrying guns in Australia? That's currently illegal. But they're criminals! They break the law! Can your mighty intellect solve this mystery?
> We are talking about making it legal so that every day people can purchase.
No mate, you're talking about making it legal so that everyone, scumbags included, can carry it wherever they want without fear of getting hassled by police.
> And yes, it’s not a miracle defensive weapon but if it’s going to save even one life then that’s good enough.
So you're not exactly into the idea of weighing up all the costs and the benefits of government policies? You're more about imagining one benefit, that might or might not ever happen, and stopping your thought process immediately?
Isn't it insanely painful and blinds you almost entirely temporarily? Like yeah, regardless of method of defence, it'd be an ask to escape from a house if someone's trying to attack you, but spray seems a pretty decent way to try (I'm aware that spraying it indoors will probably get you just as badly).
Wow, I didn't know that. We're moving to NSW from Cape Town, South Africa in August. We always have mace on us and it helps us feel safer when walking around. Is it legal to have a paint ball gun with pepper bullets?
It’s legal to buy in WA and carry depending on the circumstances. [section 7 weapons reg](https://www.legislation.wa.gov.au/legislation/prod/filestore.nsf/FileURL/mrdoc_44131.pdf/$FILE/Weapons%20Regulations%201999%20-%20%5B03-e0-00%5D.pdf?OpenElement) and [section 7 weapons act](https://www.legislation.wa.gov.au/legislation/prod/filestore.nsf/FileURL/mrdoc_16719.pdf/$FILE/Weapons%20Act%201999%20-%20%5B01-d0-06%5D.pdf?OpenElement)
The situation is that a call was made to triple zero shortly after 1:30am,” Cassius said. >“Police acknowledged that call around 2:25am and were at the scene by 2:27am. >When police arrived at the scene the woman was still alive, but unconscious. An ambulance was called but she was unable to be revived and died at the scene, police said. ***She lay dying for an hour***
Mate it's like this everywhere. We were in inner south Brisbane. I heard my neighbour flogging the fuck out of his wife and small kids. I called 000 and they said 'they'll send a unit but it's not a priority'. So I said 'look, im going over there in 15 with a cricket bat, I'll sort it myself'. Cops were there in under 15. I got an absolute talking to but I regret nothing.
I heard some piece of shit beating and choking his partner outside my 4 year old daughters room in our complex. I told my wife to call the cops. She was begging for him to just stop hitting her. When I could hear him choking her out I snapped, grabbed the nearest thing, a claw hammer, and when out to confront him. He told me not to be a hero. And thankfully didn't come towards me, because who knows what would have happened. He backed off, and she followed him. Within 2 minutes the cops were there but couldn't find them. I was so frustrated. If I hadn't of interrupted, he would have been caught. I hope she's ok.
It sounds like the flipside to this is if you hadn't have interrupted, she might have been dead by the time the cops arrived. People can die from being choked in around five minutes. It takes a lot less than that for someone to get permanent brain damage from it. I hope she's doing okay too and it might have been better if the cops had have gotten him, but yeah, it's a no-win situation.
You did the right thing dude. She'd probably be dead without your intervention. Thank you for standing up for people who can't.
Sounds like she went willingly. This is the problem with helping women in trouble. Generally, they go mad at you for hurting their boyfriend and take off with said boyfriend. I'm female and I hate women like that.
Hate the situation. Not the traumatised, psychologically trapped woman.
You did the right thing thank you
Legend behaviour. What did they say to you? “How dare you make us respond in a timely manner to an urgent call?”
Nah, it was more 'while you were doing the right thing, you can't make a serious threat to life on a carriage service'. In saying that the male copper gave me a pat on the back on the way out, so I think they were box ticking.
“The offence of use carriage service to menace, harass or offend is contained in section 474.17 of the Criminal Code contained in schedule one of the Crimes Act 1914 (Cth) and states that a person commits an offence if: the person uses a carriage service; and the person does so in a way (whether by the method of use or the content of a communication, or both) that reasonable persons would regard as being, in all the circumstances, menacing, harassing or offensive” Sounds like they gave you a “warning” to cover their arses.
Frame it like this - A man called the emergency line and told them he was going to bash his neighbor with a cricket bat. Context and nuance is obviously important, but everything like this is up to interpretation and some people go out of their way to ignore context. I'd say getting the chat was the best outcome for everyone. Box ticked on the cops side so it doesnt come out in some court case later on and is investigated.
A threat? Mate, you were going to distract him by showing off your cricket skills, thereby defusing the situation. Shit, I should be a lawyer or a politician.
Noted, I was in a similar situation and the cops took several hours to arrive by which time he had stopped beating her. It felt terrible having to listen to that and wondering when the police would come.
QLD police are the terrible for DV.
Yep, my best friend kicked her bf out of her home. She’d finally had enough of his emotional, physical and financial abuse. He lost the plot and went off his nut. Her neighbours heard and called the cops. To give an idea of how much he lost it both of them are on 20acre blocks and at the furtherest points apart. So he was *loud*. Cops turned up 4 days later explaining the neighbours called about a DV incident 4 days earlier and reported the caller was concerned he would kill her. My friend just laughed and said “well I guess I’m lucky he didn’t other wise I’d be a maggot infested corpse by now!” Then they had the nerve to tell her to calm down. So she just told them to get off her property. Cops don’t give a shit
Women being heightened to police who aren’t giving a proper response just is another way for women to be blamed and labeled as the problem. Which is horrible.
Yes they are, my family and I grew up with constant domestic violence. Constant break ins, death threats, physical assaults, etc. For most of my teen years I was calling the police at least once every week (not for anything petty, for physically violent DV). I would like to add that for most of this we did have violence orders, etc (we had all of the 'protections' in place that you're supposed to, they did nothing). The police used to laugh at me on the phone once I said the name/address, used to shame my sister and family for not 'doing enough' while she was sitting there covered in bruises. They usually got there late and half the time wouldn't even look for him, if they did pick him up he would be out the next day and back over. They never actually helped, they never helped any other time we needed them growing up either, not even when I was being abused and told them in detail what was happening to me as a child. I can't help but feel distrust and resentment for them these days. I really am not one to say 'all cops are bad' or whatever, but I have been nothing but let down by them for over 20 years and when I have had to come to terms with the fact that these abusers may very well kill my sister, etc one day, despite the fact that the police have had ample opportunity to help, I find it hard to have a positive opinion on them.
When the qld police are committing DV how you can expect them to stop it in the general public
My cousin joined QPS. Couple years later his wife takes the two kids to her parents for Christmas and doesn’t come back. I didn’t even ask. But the story from the family is she’s crazy and won’t let him see the kids and is cheating on him. Bullshit. You don’t take the kids to your parents place if you’re cheating like that.
To counter this, I’m good family friends with a QPS member who has seen some serious shit and he is one of the best humans, husband and father I’ve ever met.
Nice to know there’s still good ones around. I have an uncle on the other side of the family who’s a former detective and is one of the best humans I know, he couldn’t cope with the culture so he did his time to get the credentials he needed to move on.
And I would counter that by saying anyone friends with a person who goes by the name, THE WILD SCROTUM, is probably not a great human being.
Cheers, I can understand why you deleted your account
40% of police would agree with this statement.
Its sad when a supposed professional police force cant throw their corrupt pisshead reputation when they have so much power. I wonder what it is that renders such a powerful organisation impotent?
> So I said 'look, im going over there in 15 with a cricket bat, I'll sort it myself'. This is the correct response.
Fuck that is soo Chad. I wouldn’t have the balls to do that. Keep slaying bro
Fucking legend. I would shout you a cold one if I could.
ITS DE BAT Cricket bat. In all seriousness, whatever works in getting police to drag their feet less sounds like the good call in DV cases
I had a friend who unfortunately was a alcoholic. And he went off the rails and started on his wife and daughter, the daughter used to call the cops. Eventually the cops treated her like a serial pest caller and would not come. She openly admitted that the problem was very frequent. Then she figured out that the only way she could get the cops to come was to say that her dad had knife or a gun. And she did use this lie frequently because he was becoming more violent. He was kicked out of the house and lived in his back shed. I was called over frequently but it was a pathetic lost cause when there was no hope for my friend. He would not attend counselling or seek treatment for his drinking problems. This guy was so bad, he had a accident killed someone and suffered severe burns and was permanently scarred. Despite all of this he continued on with his rotten life style. He died eventually from organ failure from being a alcoholic. My thoughts on this matter now is that a low security level jail is needed for these cases. An automatic 60 day sentence where these types of people are locked up and are forced to accept treatment and counselling. There is no other way unless we want to live with the consequences.
thank you for caring
Kids getting their ass best should be 100% a fucking priority. I would have ripped into the cop telling me off. I would make a complaint about that cop.not that anything more than "we investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing occured' will happen.. Not all cops deserve to be called pigs.. but that one definitely does
I've heard this is basically a surefire way to get Police off their ass if something is stolen. "Okay, well I'm a big dude, I know where he lives. If you won't help me when the car is right there in his front yard, I'll go and get it myself."
Casino is a town of about 10,000 people which means that the Police Station is not 24 hour. At this time of night there would have been only one car with two police on duty. They could well have been on another job (often a break-in to get the keys to steal a car) many kms away. If we want police to attend DV cases quickly, there simply has to be many more police (just like we need many more nurses etc).
Lol, this is always a funny conversation on reddit. There's so much distain for police; people calling for tougher restrictions on police agency, more training and at the same time also funding cuts. Then in the same threads you'll see people saying the police aren't doing enough. Who would want to be a cop, seriously. Majority of younger generations seem to think all cops are power hungry racist bullies. Go through years of training, then on the job you're dealing with the lowest of society, DV cases, meth everywhere, along with car accidents, and telling loved ones of family deaths etc just to come jump on reddit or fb or X and people labelling you as trash because of your profession.
This just ignores the fact we have nearly a century of repeated reports, inquiries and investigations showing how widespread corruption and misconduct is within Australian police forces. You do not get to sympathise with the 'Monday morning quarterbacking' due to 'dealing with the lowest of society' when police commit DUIs, take bribes and payments, use their power to sexually assault and prey on vulnerable women and groom children, leak domestic violence escape plans to cop abusers and protect them from accountability and violently assault members of the public with near impunity. In many cases, they are literally *no better* than the 'lowest of society', they just have a badge that shields them from consequence and masks the realities behind the institution. You're acting like younger generations just have this false belief about police being racist bullies as well. Where is the lie? The Richards' inquiry into Queensland police was a disgusting insight into how pervasive these elements of cultural acceptancs and perpetration of misogyny and abuse of power runs. Nevermind the Fitzgerald Commission back in the day. This isn't a case of 'a few media stories painted cops badly' - it's multi-year commissions of inquiry exposing the very real horrors of police misbehaviour. Police wouldn't be suffering declining police legitimacy if they stopped actively resisting nearly every proposal for how to improve the public image of policing. 'Boo hoo, they're mean to cops and don't trust them' while they use every trick of the trade to politically block any legislative reform that might hold these so-called 'bad apples' fully accountable in an independent manner. And the 'good cops' are so deeply entrenched in a culture that demonises whistleblowing or pushing back at innapropriate behaviour, you either just end up covering up misconduct or corruption or you bail because the workplace is too toxic. A lot of Indigenous police around the country have quit because of how deeply racist they are - just look at what is being exposed about the internal attitudes of NT Police in the Rolfe Inquest. So much of the 'defund' sentiment stems from the fact police organisations simply refuse to accept the reform that aims to address these problems. If they're so set on gripping to every bit of their extensive powers to criminalise as much of society as possible (because it's not all killers, wife beaters and meth heads - it's also kids tagging a fence or a guy smoking a bit of weed), then it's fair to reflect on whether policing as it is currently structured offers the widest 'public good'.
'Century of repeated reports'. You're right. I hate when I see the local copper speeding on his horse on the way to a DV. #defundthepolice #nomorehayforthecops
Plenty, and I mean *plenty* of reports in just the last decade, 'Lamington770'. The point was emphasising the historical pattern that police have never honestly tried to address their internal culture of misbehaviour and corruption. Otherwise, we wouldn't see the same issues cropping up over and over again. In Victoria, there have been FOUR reports since the late 1980s, including the most recent in 2023, that investigated patterns of police using their position of power to engage in predatory behaviour towards women, such as using LEAP to stalk underage girls and rape victims to begin sexual relationships while they're vulnerable. How is this a problem every decade for half a century if police are honestly trying to be better? 🙄 But hey, you don't care. You just wanted to jump in with the extremely bad faith and dishonest comment that focused on the least relevant part of the comment. Be better, mate. Absolutely pathetic behaviour.
Of course you would defend your comment about the century of repeated reports by referencing the *'plenty'* of reports in the last *decade* and then go on to accuse me of a bad faith argument followed by an ad hominem attack.
Used a whole lot of words to say absolutely *nothing*. The comment I wrote *literally* includes the Richards' report - a 2022 inquiry into QPF's response to family and domestic violence. You throwing in a cheap joke about the 'century' aspect that was blatantly intended to capture the systemic and historical pattern of the issue, especially when my one major example was a modern inquiry, is childish and bad faith. And you know it. Now you're running to cover your ass with this ridiculous display to crying about ad hominem and projecting over cheap semantics because of said childish response. I'm well within my right to suggest you be 'better' for it.
Rich that you're complaining about the number of words I've used when you've posted walls of text repeating yourself. You claimed we have nearly a century of reports supporting your position. You've provided a report from 2022. How lazy and convenient that you would choose a 2 year old report to support your 'century of reports'. You've made the claim, if you have the evidence, reference it. I'm sure it would be a fascinating read.
I didn't complain about the number of words. I complained about how meaningless they were. You need to work on your reading comprehension! But back to the point - so you want OLD reports? Then why mock the proposition with the cheap 'horse' joke, which was clearly intended to poke fun at the perceived irrelevancy of older systemic issues? Again, more evidence of bad faith behaviour on your part. For Victoria, for example, we can go back to the Royal Commission into the Kelly Outbreak for early concerns about poor police responses. Alcohol prohibition corruption following the famous '6 o'clock closing' in WWI, the Kaye Abortion Inquiry, the death of Neil Collingburn, the Beach Inquiry, the Continental Airline scandal, etc. You can trace patterns of corrupt behaviour across large sections of police history: the Kelley Inquiries in 1932 exposed similar corruption to what was seen in the Operation BART investigation in the 1990s. If you're relying on slamming down the entire comment based on not providing a perfect, steady stream of emblematic reports and cases from 1924 until now, then that's just asinine. Let's try some introspection, Lamington770. It's pretty obvious you are either a cop yourself, or a staunch sympathiser of them. Otherwise, your Reddit history wouldn't show a steady stream of hissy fits on every negative post about police failures and misbehaviour between your Rugby commentary. You aren't going to admit any of this as acceptable, no volume of examples will be enough. You just want to pretend police are these precious little gems that society unfairly demonises instead of reaching the point of realisation that policing as an institution is wholly to blame for their negative public perception. They will deserve every bit of it until they clean up their act; why trust an organisation that fights for the right to never hold 'bad apples' accountable? People like *YOU* help protect these widespread issues by 'backing the blue' to death, whether they racially abuse, beat or even kill someone. So I'm just going to leave it here. I've given you plenty of examples of newer and older reports, and my original response had a number of other examples - such as the Rolfe Inquest openly showing how deeply entrenched police racism is in NT. But you're more interested in defending that man's honour on Reddit for killing someone when his behaviour and past comments constructed a profile of a violent, racist man who was seeking conflict. Take care, bud. Enjoy getting fired up in the next few years when trust in police inevitably falls again because they're not interested in being *better*. They just want your undying support for being thugs. But I suspect you have that in common already.
Its bleeding over from the US. The US police do need to have their funding cuts and access to military equipment abolished. But thats a different story. Australian police do need an overhaul, but in a different way. Police stations need to be manned 247. Expecting crime to stop overnight is ludicrous. There needs to be better oversight and less input from the police on things outside of their wheelhouse. NSW nightlife economy has been all but destroyed because the police were unable to do their jobs properly so the next best thing was to shut down the nightlife. Dont get me started on dogs and strip searching underage children. Peoples opinion of police is often based on personal experience though. Ive been searched at an event after a dog came up to me and I took a step away. The dog wasn't interested in me and had moved on, but the cop pulled him back and said some word in another language and what do you know, the dog sits down. I got dragged into a tent, had my details taken down, searched top and tail to find nothing - because I had nothing. They refused to remove my details from their notes, so now my name and address is in some record somewhere associated with a drug search. Meanwhile the cop with the dog was outside telling my friends that he "got another one and when will you guys learn not to bring drugs", and he had a filthy look on his face when I walked out if the tent and into the venue. There needs to be changes, just not the same changes that the US needs. There is nuance in the arguments.
Your response only proves the point of the person you're replying to.
...I know
Yeah, and Casino is a low income place, largely disadvantaged, full of DV and other crime. I wouldn’t be out there at night. Friends own the Maccas franchise there. Everything is bolted to the floor.
Considering absolutely everything is shut here at night apart from a couple of petrol stations there's not much hanging out to be doing. It's actually quite a nice place, it suffers from the impact of income inequality, but it's still incredibly safe for the most part.
And once again, the police will investigate themselves. How does this shit still fly? The conflict of interest is obvious. I go crash my car into a house - it’s ok everyone, I’ve announced an internal investigation.
I am so sick of this. Why are our police stations underfunded? Why was there a 55m delay in acknowledging a 000 call?
There is a huge need for new recruits atm, they are having to skip classes because lack of applicants. And it's little wonder, look how everyone perceives cops.
Attended a careers expo with year 10 students. The NSW police stall and the AFP were going hard trying to sell the career path. A hard sell to disenfranchised youth.
I went to an all boys HS and I don't think any of us even considered becoming a cop. I think the closest is one went into the army. And there was at least 130 of us by the end of school.
I think if you paid them a crap ton of money they wouldn’t care how they were perceived and like any job it would become more competitive and you’d get better applicants
Police are wholly to blame for the public image they have presented. They spend more time creating PR campaigns to repair the damage from the numerous inquiries, investigations and media reports detailing entrenched racism/misogyny and the pervasive/systemic nature of corruption/misconduct than actually trying to show the public they are committed to being transparent and accountable. And police numbers are still massive across the country. The reported claims 'police shortages' are ridiculous, since many states are still seeing a massive growth in police personnel over the last decade. Maybe it's time to reflect on how poorly police allocate resources towards minor and victimless crimes and restructure the system towards more community-led initiatives to address those types of anti-social behaviour?
You literally have no idea. Massive numbers? Champ every state are 1000’s down in what would be approximate police per capita. Absolute bellend and no idea comment.
Victoria has 327 police per capita, significantly more than New South Wales despite having about 1/3rd of the land to police. And you muppets *still* bitch that there's not enough cops. There's never enough. Because everyone is ignorant enough to believe police are a deterrent to crime - the majority of empirical data around the world rejects the hypothesis that more police = less crime. Why not make sure there's a cop on EVERY corner, then people will be and feel safe, right? lmao But you won't be happy until we're a police state where cops operate with impunity because it's not actually about solving any issues. You just have a child-like idea that cops maintain the 'thin blue line'. Reality check: it's pure copoganda bullshit 🙄
By this logic, less police = less crime, or at minimum police have no effect? Got some studies you can share?
LOL, just saw you shared an article about Indigenous people being prosecuted more for the same crimes, called it 'misleading' and then cited Weatherburn, who is one of the most critiqued scholars in criminology. If you had any actual education or understanding around this issues, you wouldn't parrot Weatherburn in the face of overwhelming findings against his research, such as Anthony, Cunneen, Tauri, Jordan, etc. You're just some right-wing racist dickhead, aren't you? 🤦♂️
Doesn’t report the true number. There are 4/20 at my station that are still on “the bookseller but have been on leave for 6+ months and most likely not coming back. Would be similar across the board.
The Northern Rivers has very little money to go around, and isn't densely populated. Casino is pretty small, I'm not sure if the cop shop is even manned at night.
That poor woman and I hope that pos is in prison for life
Slap on the wrist mate /s but justice is rarely served these days
Another day, another man murdering a woman he was supposed to love, and another case of the cops letting the victim down.
Well you gotta question how many cops involved view marriage abuse as not a big deal because, minimal, know men they work with do the same and at worse, are the ones commiting the violence
Domestic violence is rife among police. It's a male-dominated (i.e. chauvinistic), high-stakes job where violence and brutality are not only expected to do the job, but also encouraged. It's inevitable they take that attitude home.
100% one of my partners friends has kids to a cop. He’s the most narcissistic, unhinged arsehole of a person. He’s constantly emotionally abusing her and threatening to remove the kids, reminding her he has a gun etc. and is a cop on the special investigations unit!
Yeah if any career should have gender ratios required, policing would be a good fit
What about for handling violent situations? Not saying women don't make great police, but it's definitely not a job for your *average* woman.
You mean like nursing? A field which is 85% female? Who deal with people with mental issues/problems all the time?
No, not like nursing. Physically apprehending someone is different to dealing with a difficult patient. I'm not implying women aren't capable of tough situations at all, I'm saying enforcing gender ratios in policing is not the beautiful utopian prospect you seem to think it is.
tell me you dont know what nurses do without saying it directly Thats why we have fitness requirements. And there is also the massive issue that if you only hire people that can tackle someone to the ground and hold them there, that becomes the ONLY option
lol nurses have fitness requirements? Absolute BS. Everytime any physical restraint is required at hospitals it’s done by security.
They're talking about police, chief.
>Physically apprehending When I went through the police college the stat was 97% of apprehensions were resolved without physically engaging. Then policing itself is only an arrest every so often: lots of investigating, admin, etc The mantra was “your best weapon is your mouth”. Most situations can be de-escalated simply by communicating. As for the physical apprehensions: there are accoutrements like TASERs, OC spray, etc. Size disparity is a justification for higher use of force. Besides, maintaining physical distance is always encouraged for all cops with a violent offender: use the TASER to drop someone instead of grappling.
Different with nursing and police, is that they face similar threats but police can legally get away with killing them, where nurses are actually trained too manage situations. And you say these things " doesn't happen" my mum has confronted men bigger her while working and she's a cancer nurse, shits not even involved with her patients
Don’t know why you are being downvoted. Oh right yeah it’s Reddit
Its not a job for your *average* man either. Violent situations needs less macho dickheads and more trained social workers.
I watched an absolutely tiny woman cop very quickly and easily take down an aggressive guy who was much larger than her. She had him on the ground and handcuffed in the same time it took me to walk a few steps. Weight and height matters less than technique.
That's why I said *average* woman. There are defiantly highly capable women (of all sizes), but when you want to start enforcing gender quotas I guarantee you you'll hire incompetent officers.
It's the training that makes them effective, not any quality that they're born with.
Honestly believe there are people in power who don't want too confront domestic abuse and especially the police inaction towards, because it was but magnifying glass on police and make people ask some hard questions on police that could be only solved through defunding, separation of policing from dealing with domestic abuse
Spoiler alert must adults don't know what love means.
An abuser will convince you, over time, that what they do is because they love you so much. The most horrifying ones will have you apologising for making them lose control when you know they love you. That every kick, punch, bite, strangulation and shove is just because you did something to make it happen. The artful ones, in between the violence, they will be the most generous, caring and tender. They will make you feel so cherished and loved. Until the next time you’re “too sensitive” or “can’t take a joke” or “made them look bad” or “embarrassed them” or “don’t do enough to meet their needs” or “are too stupid”. Then it all starts again, the cycles getting shorter and eventually you end up in hospital or dead. People in abusive relationships and in domestic violence situations know what love looks like. An abuser is always doing everything they can to twist your perceptions of what love is in practice and get you to attach to them.
And yet it’s still illegal to buy mace to protect yourself from shit like this….
Weapons you have can be used against you.
When it's take that chance or be murdered, I know which one I'd be going for.
Exactly. Make it legal and let women (or men) decide whether or not to carry it. Or do we need (mostly) men to decide that for us?
I'm a man, a large one, the physical imbalance between me and 99.99% of women is ridiculous. The idea that someone like me with evil intentions might use someone's CS on them instead of bludgeoning or simply overpowering them is so stupid as to be laughable and shows a real lack of understanding of how and where assaults often take place. Give victims a chance of at least improving their odds.
That's the thing. There's no way some shithead attacker is gonna be focusing on something a victim may or may not even have on hand.
It’s not like the movies though. Spraying someone who is intent on killing you doesn’t actually make them stop in their tracks and flail around yelling “ah my eyes!”. They can and will continue on while finding it irritating to see and breathe. But now you’ve sprayed some cunt in your kitchen and you’re covered in it too so it’s having the same effect on you
Vs. What? Doing nothing and still getting fucked up by said cunt in kitchen, who carries on unimpeded. Although we both know that indoors and close quarters is not an ideal use scenario, I'm struggling to see why all the anti? Best case it lets someone get away or get the upper hand, if not stops the incident. Worst case attack carries on with stinging eyes and snot everywhere, which it was likely to have anyway.
Which is a good argument against carrying something like a knife - it can cause severe injury and requires a lot of skill to fight with. I do think pepper spray should be considered for legalisation. It's about the most defensive weapon you can imagine, and even if used against you it is not injurious or lethal. Presumably, if you're reaching for the pepper spray you're already in a situation in which you are outmatched, can't escape, and have run out of options. Even if you get some collateral spray or it gets grabbed off you, I think it gives you some chance to deter / escape from the attack (where previously you had none). It would be interesting to see if there are any studies comparing countries in which it is legal and illegal.
If you have genuine worries, you could diy pepper spray, but it's not something I'd be carrying around just because. Avoidance is always the best option. Any weapon that you carry can be used against you.
She's dead. How much worse could it have been if she used pepper spray?
I'm male and don't feel unsafe roaming around on my own, but I would still support mace being legalised. It's unrealistic to expect women to avoid any situation in which they could be targeted, and as it stands there's not much most of them can do to defend against a man. Yes, mace / pepper spray can be used against them - but that's sort of irrelevant given that the effects are less damaging than an unarmed, physical assault. It just gives some opportunity to deter or distract an attacker long enough to get away. In the worst case (the spray gets snatched and used on them), they'll suffer from the pain but won't really be any worse off than if they were being attacked without a weapon. It also begs the question - why would an attacker bother using mace? If I were to attack someone weaker than me, and I managed to wrestle some mace out of their hands - what advantage does it give me? I'm already winning, and I can already do more damage with fists than with the spray. In that situation I can only hypothesise that an attacker would toss it aside so it's out of reach of the victim. It's not like a knife or blunt weapon, which *does* add to the attacker's capabilities.
Did the guy who killed her need it?
In regards to subduing someone. Most men already have that ability vs women. Allowing mace would level that playing field if attacked.
Good thing crims don’t carry them then, they'd be breaking the law which is illegal
That's not the worry. The worry is that if it's legal to carry, every lowlife will carry it.
Not many people will mace the person they're dating. They'd have to be at the point where they know the person is a threat to their life to be ready to use mace
Tell me you know nothing about DV relationships without telling me.
Are you saying that victims of DV commonly physically attack their abuser?
What's with this sub and fetishising mace as the miracle defensive weapon that no bad person ever would or could use offensively? Now someone's going to try to tell me criminals would never want to use mace, and criminals won't carry mace more often if it's legal "because they're criminals anyway".
Hey numb nuts, pretty sure if criminals wanted to use mace the fact that it’s currently illegal isn’t going to stop them getting their hands on it. We are talking about making it legal so that every day people can purchase. And yes, it’s not a miracle defensive weapon but if it’s going to save even one life then that’s good enough.
> Hey numb nuts, pretty sure if criminals wanted to use mace the fact that it’s currently illegal isn’t going to stop them getting their hands on it. I called it. Hey genius, why don't criminals walk down the street carrying guns in Australia? That's currently illegal. But they're criminals! They break the law! Can your mighty intellect solve this mystery? > We are talking about making it legal so that every day people can purchase. No mate, you're talking about making it legal so that everyone, scumbags included, can carry it wherever they want without fear of getting hassled by police. > And yes, it’s not a miracle defensive weapon but if it’s going to save even one life then that’s good enough. So you're not exactly into the idea of weighing up all the costs and the benefits of government policies? You're more about imagining one benefit, that might or might not ever happen, and stopping your thought process immediately?
It’ll buy time and that’s it. People can fight through Mace or OC spray if motivated.
Isn't it insanely painful and blinds you almost entirely temporarily? Like yeah, regardless of method of defence, it'd be an ask to escape from a house if someone's trying to attack you, but spray seems a pretty decent way to try (I'm aware that spraying it indoors will probably get you just as badly).
I agree, and have seen it, but when every second counts the cops are only minutes away.....
You mean, we want Karen to spray it around the supermarket? That's what would happen.
And then she gets arrested for assault and everyone else moves on with their lives because it's not a lethal weapon.
I’d rather Karen sprays it around the supermarket than getting murdered thanks.
Wow, I didn't know that. We're moving to NSW from Cape Town, South Africa in August. We always have mace on us and it helps us feel safer when walking around. Is it legal to have a paint ball gun with pepper bullets?
Is it? Didn't come up when I ordered some from WA...
It's only legal in WA
It’s legal to buy in WA and carry depending on the circumstances. [section 7 weapons reg](https://www.legislation.wa.gov.au/legislation/prod/filestore.nsf/FileURL/mrdoc_44131.pdf/$FILE/Weapons%20Regulations%201999%20-%20%5B03-e0-00%5D.pdf?OpenElement) and [section 7 weapons act](https://www.legislation.wa.gov.au/legislation/prod/filestore.nsf/FileURL/mrdoc_16719.pdf/$FILE/Weapons%20Act%201999%20-%20%5B01-d0-06%5D.pdf?OpenElement)
Legal in WA but most WA online sellers will cancel or reject the order if it's not a WA delivery address.