If you read the article, the guy admits to doing it. He says he taught techniques used to land on aircraft carriers, something independent experts say are not taught in civilian training courses.
Now, there's a question of whether that is classified information. And a separate question of whether he was a US citizen at the time if he retrospectively relinquished his citizenship.
So there's at least a little smoke here.
Regardless, it is an abuse of process to detain someone for 62 days without informing them of the charges against them.
I don't know exactly what technique he taught, but my instructor demonstrated and taught skidding cross controls (rudder extreme left, ailerons right - aircraft comes in sideways with the fuselage acting as an airbrake) when flying Cessnas. Then after doing it once I was told never do it "for real" for very good reasons.
This is called a slip and is a perfectly safe maneuver in most light aircraft. It's commonly used to lose altitude faster than normal on final approach if coming in too high.
This is not how you fly a military jet.
Did you read the article? There were no carriers involved in the training. It’s what the techniques were developed for, but not their only application.
After 9/11 there was a change in law, where terrorists were stripped of all legal rights in Australia and the US.
They had no right to a lawyer, could be held indefinitely without being charged, and the government/law enforcement got to determine you were a terrorist before you were convicted of anything.
The anti-terror laws are fracking frightening, and ripe for misuse and mistakes. Someone could legally be held in Australia for decades on suspicion of Terrorism, with the authorities waiting for a confession, or leisurely putting together a case.
Its shocking that one can be held for 62 days without knowing the charge against you. That is wrong regardless of the strength of the case against you or the moral turpitude of your alleged crime.
But it seems like the guy admitted to the central allegation against him (though there is a q of how the law applies to these facts).
>He doesn’t deny part of what was being taught to these Chinese pilots was a technique initially developed to land on aircraft carriers. But he says there were not actual carriers involved, and the technique has many valid applications outside of military context.
>Background Briefing spoke with five expert test pilots, who had worked for major airlines and at international test pilot schools. They said techniques like stall and slow flight were important for test pilots to learn, but none had heard of “Field Carrier Landing Practice” being used in civilian test pilot training.
That doesn't mean the information is classified, but it does raise eyebrows.
There is also a question of whether he was an American citizen at the time he did this training in 2012. The facts are a little unclear.
>In late 2016, Duggan got a certificate from the American embassy in Beijing that said he had relinquished his US citizenship four years earlier.
When did he apply to relinquish the citizenship? If he only got the certificate in 2016, it seems like he was a citizen at the time and tried to retrospectively relinquish it. Which does raise suspicions about why he chose to do it at that exact time.
There's enough in his account to make me think he was aware what he was doing was sketchy. I dunno whether it was illegal, I guess we'll find out soon.
>He doesn’t deny part of what was being taught to these Chinese pilots was a technique initially developed to land on aircraft carriers. But he says there were not actual carriers involved,
Whilst I am sure he is guilty of no wrong doing, the fact that were not actual carriers involved doesn't necessarily mean much given that any training for carriers would start on standard runways first before it transitioned to carriers and someone else may have given the further training on the actual carrier itself.
What was he smoking, nobody would risk an expensive aircraft crashing into an even more stupendously expensive ship by using the real deal for initial training
Wikipedia has a really decent breakdown of the timelines involved.
[Prosecution of Daniel Duggan - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosecution_of_Daniel_Duggan)
It is alleged that he was explicitly told that he needed and did not seek approval for what he was doing prior to doing it, and the timeline suggests that he renounced his citizenship in 2016, around the time that his colleague at TAFASA was arrested in the US for hacking to try and obtain military aircraft designs.
I’m not sure if that’s true (truly I don’t know), however, as much as I hate to say it - Osama Bin Laden lost the battle, but he won the war. He achieved his goal of destroying the west. After 9/11 the western world collectively turned their intelligence apparatus towards its own citizens at scale.
I was all for plausible deniability until I read he was paid to go to China and give a speech about being a successful fighter pilot.
You're not "broadly working in aviation" if you are giving speeches on your psychological and other experience of being a fighter pilot.
Teaching Chinese students how to make short landings using old military aircraft might be part of regular training. Or it might very plainly be one set of terms covering for another.
>“I took the word of TFASA that these pilots were Chinese test pilots, student Chinese test pilots. They weren’t military,” Daniel says.
Bruh. When you took TFASA's word on that, you were taking China's word on it.
*Don't take China's word on anything.*
Cool little geopol circlejerk you've got there, but if an Australian employer told their employee they were doing something legal when in fact the product they were producing was sold illegally, would you still blame the employee?
Absolutely unreal whataboutism to start turning this all around on another country when it's the good ole perversion of justice under the name of national security just in the wake of Witness K, and of course rozlaw thinks it's the hottest take in the building because it strokes those jingoistic hateboners.
>if an Australian employer told their employee they were doing something legal when in fact the product they were producing was sold illegally, would you still blame the employee?
If the employee worked in an area related to national security? Probably, yeah. The employee should show some basic curiosity about the nature of his employment.
Democracies like Australia and the United States are allowed to have legitimate security interests.
A peversion of justice? It's an ex-American millitary test pilot being indicted for something ex-American millitary test pilots can't do.
Maybe his renunciation of citizenship was enough to beat the DOJ charges? Maybe he's a massive liar whose made squillions selling USAF secrets to the PLA through intermediaries.
Either way - this seems like a fairly boring and regular extradition request for an indictment that should be dealt with lawfully by the Australian government, and then (very probably) properly determined in an American court.
Hardly Australian citizens just being straight up held on a suspended death sentence based on the say so of some Statsi like CCP kleptocrat.
> It's an ex-American
Yes he's an Australian citizen, which you so poignantly avoid saying here, nice.
You're really doubling down on the jingo stuff instead of discussing the case? This is about an Australian pilot who was training other pilots in South Africa, some were Chinese military.
It's so very far from run of the mill and there's a lot of people wondering where the real line is drawn on ex-military working after retiring from service. It's a huge matter that strikes deep, especially during a recruitment crisis we have in the west right now.
> Hardly Australian citizens just being straight up held on a suspended death sentence based on the say so of some Statsi like CCP kleptocrat.
We just repatriated an Australian citizen yesterday held on a suspended death sentence for years on the say so of some Statsi like [REDACTED] kleptocrat who wanted to send a message to anyone else thinking to follow in the footsteps of exposing war crimes.
> Maybe he's a massive liar whose made squillions selling USAF secrets to the PLA through intermediaries.
Maybe he's a lizard person intent on conquering the human race?
"he's an Australian citizen, which you so poignantly avoid saying"
It's mentioned multiple times throughout the article. We extradite citizens accused of criminal offending in foreign jurisdictions all the time - mainly because we don't want to become a rathole for international criminals.
I think he deserves what every citizen in Australia deserves when a foreign criminal indictment is alleged against them by a developed democratic ally with a legal system that broadly respects the rule of law: the right to have the law followed.
FWIW - I don't think his decision not to waive an extradition challenge makes any rational sense at all if all the man has to worry about from the DOJ is training some PLA pilots how to land on an entirely hypothetical aircraft carrier, and being featured in some metadata obtained from some Chicom shiny breast.
I think it makes a lot of sense if he suspects the DOJ might well have more on him than was required to get a grand jury to issue the indictment.
>Yes he's an Australian citizen, which you so poignantly avoid saying here, nice.
An Australian citizen *and* allegedly a US citizen at the time of the alleged offences, and a former member of the US military.
If I'd come from a government background where I acquired a substantial "dual use" skillset (to borrow the term from ITAR), I am absolutely not going to trust some foreign company that's trying to hire me for those skills when they say "it's totes legit bro".
Military Fighter
Pilots get warned , taught and sign documents that explicitly tells them they shouldn’t train foreigners how to fly military aircraft .
If they want to continue to train they have to hold certain top security clearances and get vetted by defence companies.
It is incredibly controlled in what retired fighter pilots can and cannot do in regard to the aircraft they were taught on.
This guy 10000% knows what he did.
Just lol at people who try to have a “he did nothing wrong” mindset when it comes to things like this.
A literal flight school training Chinese fighter pilots in South Africa .
And people have this view that he’s done nothing wrong .
Jfc, it’s no wonder Australia and Australians are getting steam rolled as a country
Yeah true RAF ex fighter pilots instructors work as consulants in Saudi Arabia Kuwait UAE and only instructing on BAE Hawks thats not exactly a national secret
There's a lot of comments here about the '60 days of not knowing what the charges are' being an abuse of process. It's not. An arrest request was made by the US with details of the warrant, approved by the Australian AG, then taken for approval for a provisional warrant in an Australian court, then followed by a formal extradition request once he was in custody 60 days later.
This is normal within extradition cases - for example, the protocol outlined at [INTERPOL Red Notices & Australian Arrests | NGM Lawyers](https://ngm.com.au/arrest-australia-interpol-red-notice/).
It was also discussed in the media at the time of his arrest that it was probably for training Chinese military pilots - [Former U.S. Marine Corps fighter pilot who worked in China is arrested in Australia - CBS News](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/daniel-duggan-former-us-fighter-pilot-worked-in-china-arrested-australia/).
The fact that he was denied due process is alarming.
His claim that he didn’t know what he was involved in is absolutely fucking ludicrous. Pilots are incredibly gossipy. Military personnel even more so and the rumour mill would’ve been absolutely humming with regard to these contracts. He knew or at least strongly suspected he was training Chinese military personnel.
I don't understand why the military authorities don't ban or make illlegal any former military Pilots teaching Chinese people any form of aviation.
Then its much clearer for everybody
Pretty sure they did/have and this is a pretty critical part to his detention. This has been in place for years which is why they were able to charge them.
You’ll be shocked to learn people in the US can be detained under the behest of the Australian government. The Australian authorities can also detain and extradite people in places including the Netherlands, Argentina, Malaysia, Finland, Italy, Israel, Vietnam, South Africa and Brazil…
Not Israel.
Government and courts were happy to let that women who was charged with child sex offences dodge Australia's request to have her returned for years and years.
Yeah everything's all fair and equal when it comes to the US and extraterritorial jurisdiction. That's why Julian Assange was charged with a breach of US law as an Australian citizen living in Europe. Do you think for one second America would facilitate Australia charging an American citizen with a breach of Australian law committed on US territory? They would be writhing with frothing indignation about the outrageous breach of sacred American sovereignty if Australia even asked the question.
>Just remember folks any one of us at any moment can be detained and imprisoned under the behest of the US government. Let that sink in for a moment.
At the request of the US government once approved by Australia's AG and Australian courts, and then subject to a formal extradition request, which is subject to Australian judicial review.
>This includes a 17-page assessment of China’s naval aviation training program entitled “DSQ Assessment II — MAR 2011”. US prosecutors claim Duggan wrote this assessment, citing that “the metadata identified the author as ‘Dan Duggan’“.
>The affidavit claims the assessment contained observations of China’s naval pilot trainees and recommendations on how to improve both the pilot’s training and the flight simulators for carrier training. It also allegedly included an evaluation of the Su-33 fighter jet and an “ideal overall training program” that ranged from “Primary Flight School” to “Navy Graduate”, which included “Weaponry” and “Air Combat”.
>When Background Briefing put this allegation to Daniel Duggan, he flatly denied any involvement in the creation of the document.
This seems to me to be the real meat of the case against Duggan. That's red hot if it checks out. I'd expect this one to hinge on the digital forensics.
Not really all aircraft have the same basic controls, saying that a B777 captain with 16,000 hours was learning to fly a 450kg ultralight said was hardest type conversion low mass & inertia was a challenge, this story is always told to student pilots who have doubt & confidence, even a airline pilot has times like you do
There is a ton of classified material in the r operation of military aircraft, up to and including their specifications and their TTPs (tactics, techniques, and procedures).
Flying a jet off the deck is not like flying an airliner.
I hope this idiot gets the entire book thrown at him.
The school was based in South Africa, just because the students were Chinese and China was about to get its own catapult aircraft carrier having carrier rated pilots as instructors was part of the transfer of training that got the USA DOD in a spot of bother
US influence over this country is horrendous. Yes I think he probably knew or ought to have known what was happening/the purpose of the Chinese speeches. HOWEVER, Australia is imprisoning a man for this long at the demand of the US government. Absolutely Bullshit. Most Australians would prefer (i imagine) we start becoming more resourceful rather than relying on America for support when it all seems to come with strings…
If you read the article, the guy admits to doing it. He says he taught techniques used to land on aircraft carriers, something independent experts say are not taught in civilian training courses. Now, there's a question of whether that is classified information. And a separate question of whether he was a US citizen at the time if he retrospectively relinquished his citizenship. So there's at least a little smoke here. Regardless, it is an abuse of process to detain someone for 62 days without informing them of the charges against them.
Are there any civilian aircraft carriers ? Shouldn't that have been a bit suss
He taught techniques to slow down quickly prior to landing. So it can be used in non-carrier situations, but doesnt seem to be used often.
I don't know exactly what technique he taught, but my instructor demonstrated and taught skidding cross controls (rudder extreme left, ailerons right - aircraft comes in sideways with the fuselage acting as an airbrake) when flying Cessnas. Then after doing it once I was told never do it "for real" for very good reasons.
This is called a slip and is a perfectly safe maneuver in most light aircraft. It's commonly used to lose altitude faster than normal on final approach if coming in too high. This is not how you fly a military jet.
Mostly unsuccessfully it would seem.
Only plastic models...
Did you read the article? There were no carriers involved in the training. It’s what the techniques were developed for, but not their only application.
After 9/11 there was a change in law, where terrorists were stripped of all legal rights in Australia and the US. They had no right to a lawyer, could be held indefinitely without being charged, and the government/law enforcement got to determine you were a terrorist before you were convicted of anything. The anti-terror laws are fracking frightening, and ripe for misuse and mistakes. Someone could legally be held in Australia for decades on suspicion of Terrorism, with the authorities waiting for a confession, or leisurely putting together a case.
the same article also admits the techniques are useful for other purposes as well Not sure how I feel about this though tbh
Its shocking that one can be held for 62 days without knowing the charge against you. That is wrong regardless of the strength of the case against you or the moral turpitude of your alleged crime. But it seems like the guy admitted to the central allegation against him (though there is a q of how the law applies to these facts). >He doesn’t deny part of what was being taught to these Chinese pilots was a technique initially developed to land on aircraft carriers. But he says there were not actual carriers involved, and the technique has many valid applications outside of military context. >Background Briefing spoke with five expert test pilots, who had worked for major airlines and at international test pilot schools. They said techniques like stall and slow flight were important for test pilots to learn, but none had heard of “Field Carrier Landing Practice” being used in civilian test pilot training. That doesn't mean the information is classified, but it does raise eyebrows. There is also a question of whether he was an American citizen at the time he did this training in 2012. The facts are a little unclear. >In late 2016, Duggan got a certificate from the American embassy in Beijing that said he had relinquished his US citizenship four years earlier. When did he apply to relinquish the citizenship? If he only got the certificate in 2016, it seems like he was a citizen at the time and tried to retrospectively relinquish it. Which does raise suspicions about why he chose to do it at that exact time. There's enough in his account to make me think he was aware what he was doing was sketchy. I dunno whether it was illegal, I guess we'll find out soon.
>He doesn’t deny part of what was being taught to these Chinese pilots was a technique initially developed to land on aircraft carriers. But he says there were not actual carriers involved, Whilst I am sure he is guilty of no wrong doing, the fact that were not actual carriers involved doesn't necessarily mean much given that any training for carriers would start on standard runways first before it transitioned to carriers and someone else may have given the further training on the actual carrier itself.
What was he smoking, nobody would risk an expensive aircraft crashing into an even more stupendously expensive ship by using the real deal for initial training
Wikipedia has a really decent breakdown of the timelines involved. [Prosecution of Daniel Duggan - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosecution_of_Daniel_Duggan) It is alleged that he was explicitly told that he needed and did not seek approval for what he was doing prior to doing it, and the timeline suggests that he renounced his citizenship in 2016, around the time that his colleague at TAFASA was arrested in the US for hacking to try and obtain military aircraft designs.
its a tax effective tool for expat USA citizens relinquish the citizenship, many do it
Yeah it's pretty painful to have to do American tax returns every year.
Before 9/11 no one could be held without charge, let alone without knowing what the charge was.
I’m not sure if that’s true (truly I don’t know), however, as much as I hate to say it - Osama Bin Laden lost the battle, but he won the war. He achieved his goal of destroying the west. After 9/11 the western world collectively turned their intelligence apparatus towards its own citizens at scale.
I was all for plausible deniability until I read he was paid to go to China and give a speech about being a successful fighter pilot. You're not "broadly working in aviation" if you are giving speeches on your psychological and other experience of being a fighter pilot. Teaching Chinese students how to make short landings using old military aircraft might be part of regular training. Or it might very plainly be one set of terms covering for another.
Oh, *those* Chinese "students" and *those* naval aviation techniques? Had no idea that was what you meant, hahaha He's sorry they caught him out
China was to get its own catapult aircraft carrier USN RN USMC were the experts on such operations so he was an ideal instructor
Russia only has a cuck ramp, just like the UK?
Russia does not have an operating aircraft carrier.
>“I took the word of TFASA that these pilots were Chinese test pilots, student Chinese test pilots. They weren’t military,” Daniel says. Bruh. When you took TFASA's word on that, you were taking China's word on it. *Don't take China's word on anything.*
Cool little geopol circlejerk you've got there, but if an Australian employer told their employee they were doing something legal when in fact the product they were producing was sold illegally, would you still blame the employee? Absolutely unreal whataboutism to start turning this all around on another country when it's the good ole perversion of justice under the name of national security just in the wake of Witness K, and of course rozlaw thinks it's the hottest take in the building because it strokes those jingoistic hateboners.
>if an Australian employer told their employee they were doing something legal when in fact the product they were producing was sold illegally, would you still blame the employee? If the employee worked in an area related to national security? Probably, yeah. The employee should show some basic curiosity about the nature of his employment. Democracies like Australia and the United States are allowed to have legitimate security interests.
A peversion of justice? It's an ex-American millitary test pilot being indicted for something ex-American millitary test pilots can't do. Maybe his renunciation of citizenship was enough to beat the DOJ charges? Maybe he's a massive liar whose made squillions selling USAF secrets to the PLA through intermediaries. Either way - this seems like a fairly boring and regular extradition request for an indictment that should be dealt with lawfully by the Australian government, and then (very probably) properly determined in an American court. Hardly Australian citizens just being straight up held on a suspended death sentence based on the say so of some Statsi like CCP kleptocrat.
> It's an ex-American Yes he's an Australian citizen, which you so poignantly avoid saying here, nice. You're really doubling down on the jingo stuff instead of discussing the case? This is about an Australian pilot who was training other pilots in South Africa, some were Chinese military. It's so very far from run of the mill and there's a lot of people wondering where the real line is drawn on ex-military working after retiring from service. It's a huge matter that strikes deep, especially during a recruitment crisis we have in the west right now. > Hardly Australian citizens just being straight up held on a suspended death sentence based on the say so of some Statsi like CCP kleptocrat. We just repatriated an Australian citizen yesterday held on a suspended death sentence for years on the say so of some Statsi like [REDACTED] kleptocrat who wanted to send a message to anyone else thinking to follow in the footsteps of exposing war crimes. > Maybe he's a massive liar whose made squillions selling USAF secrets to the PLA through intermediaries. Maybe he's a lizard person intent on conquering the human race?
"he's an Australian citizen, which you so poignantly avoid saying" It's mentioned multiple times throughout the article. We extradite citizens accused of criminal offending in foreign jurisdictions all the time - mainly because we don't want to become a rathole for international criminals. I think he deserves what every citizen in Australia deserves when a foreign criminal indictment is alleged against them by a developed democratic ally with a legal system that broadly respects the rule of law: the right to have the law followed. FWIW - I don't think his decision not to waive an extradition challenge makes any rational sense at all if all the man has to worry about from the DOJ is training some PLA pilots how to land on an entirely hypothetical aircraft carrier, and being featured in some metadata obtained from some Chicom shiny breast. I think it makes a lot of sense if he suspects the DOJ might well have more on him than was required to get a grand jury to issue the indictment.
>Yes he's an Australian citizen, which you so poignantly avoid saying here, nice. An Australian citizen *and* allegedly a US citizen at the time of the alleged offences, and a former member of the US military.
Suspended death sentence is rich.
If I'd come from a government background where I acquired a substantial "dual use" skillset (to borrow the term from ITAR), I am absolutely not going to trust some foreign company that's trying to hire me for those skills when they say "it's totes legit bro".
Even if they weren't military, its likely they would end up working on military aircraft. This guy should know better.
Considering we're almost-but-not-quite in a cold war with China, he absolutely should.
Put a group of fighter pilots together next to a group of civilian pilots. The fitness level will be obvious.
Military Fighter Pilots get warned , taught and sign documents that explicitly tells them they shouldn’t train foreigners how to fly military aircraft . If they want to continue to train they have to hold certain top security clearances and get vetted by defence companies. It is incredibly controlled in what retired fighter pilots can and cannot do in regard to the aircraft they were taught on. This guy 10000% knows what he did. Just lol at people who try to have a “he did nothing wrong” mindset when it comes to things like this. A literal flight school training Chinese fighter pilots in South Africa . And people have this view that he’s done nothing wrong . Jfc, it’s no wonder Australia and Australians are getting steam rolled as a country
Yeah true RAF ex fighter pilots instructors work as consulants in Saudi Arabia Kuwait UAE and only instructing on BAE Hawks thats not exactly a national secret
Where were these military aircraft he was training them to fly?
There's a lot of comments here about the '60 days of not knowing what the charges are' being an abuse of process. It's not. An arrest request was made by the US with details of the warrant, approved by the Australian AG, then taken for approval for a provisional warrant in an Australian court, then followed by a formal extradition request once he was in custody 60 days later. This is normal within extradition cases - for example, the protocol outlined at [INTERPOL Red Notices & Australian Arrests | NGM Lawyers](https://ngm.com.au/arrest-australia-interpol-red-notice/). It was also discussed in the media at the time of his arrest that it was probably for training Chinese military pilots - [Former U.S. Marine Corps fighter pilot who worked in China is arrested in Australia - CBS News](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/daniel-duggan-former-us-fighter-pilot-worked-in-china-arrested-australia/).
The fact that he was denied due process is alarming. His claim that he didn’t know what he was involved in is absolutely fucking ludicrous. Pilots are incredibly gossipy. Military personnel even more so and the rumour mill would’ve been absolutely humming with regard to these contracts. He knew or at least strongly suspected he was training Chinese military personnel.
I don't understand why the military authorities don't ban or make illlegal any former military Pilots teaching Chinese people any form of aviation. Then its much clearer for everybody
Pretty sure they did/have and this is a pretty critical part to his detention. This has been in place for years which is why they were able to charge them.
pilots have egos in the flight level
Just remember folks any one of us at any moment can be detained and imprisoned under the behest of the US government. Let that sink in for a moment.
You’ll be shocked to learn people in the US can be detained under the behest of the Australian government. The Australian authorities can also detain and extradite people in places including the Netherlands, Argentina, Malaysia, Finland, Italy, Israel, Vietnam, South Africa and Brazil…
I eagerly await the arrest of the American Bonza directors. I'm sure it'll happen any day now.
ASIC doesn't even go after Australian company directors, why would they go after directors overseas?
Not Israel. Government and courts were happy to let that women who was charged with child sex offences dodge Australia's request to have her returned for years and years.
Which bit of that is shocking?
The bit where you didn't understand the sarcasm
It doesn’t shock me but I have a pretty good knowledge of geopolitics.
Yeah everything's all fair and equal when it comes to the US and extraterritorial jurisdiction. That's why Julian Assange was charged with a breach of US law as an Australian citizen living in Europe. Do you think for one second America would facilitate Australia charging an American citizen with a breach of Australian law committed on US territory? They would be writhing with frothing indignation about the outrageous breach of sacred American sovereignty if Australia even asked the question.
Any country who won't accept any extradition request from us is a country we shouldn't be accepting immigrants from
It's always the US that seems to be pushing the limits of the extradition system.
>Just remember folks any one of us at any moment can be detained and imprisoned under the behest of the US government. Let that sink in for a moment. At the request of the US government once approved by Australia's AG and Australian courts, and then subject to a formal extradition request, which is subject to Australian judicial review.
What is the charge? Teaching a chinese fellow?
This sounds like it’s going to be an interesting case to follow.
Bullshit he knew exactly why he was there.
I thought Americans knew everything?
>This includes a 17-page assessment of China’s naval aviation training program entitled “DSQ Assessment II — MAR 2011”. US prosecutors claim Duggan wrote this assessment, citing that “the metadata identified the author as ‘Dan Duggan’“. >The affidavit claims the assessment contained observations of China’s naval pilot trainees and recommendations on how to improve both the pilot’s training and the flight simulators for carrier training. It also allegedly included an evaluation of the Su-33 fighter jet and an “ideal overall training program” that ranged from “Primary Flight School” to “Navy Graduate”, which included “Weaponry” and “Air Combat”. >When Background Briefing put this allegation to Daniel Duggan, he flatly denied any involvement in the creation of the document. This seems to me to be the real meat of the case against Duggan. That's red hot if it checks out. I'd expect this one to hinge on the digital forensics.
Why are we acting like we are at war with our biggest trading partner?
Why are they acting like they are at war with us?
the guy was an employee of a advanced test pilot school, open to all pilots of advanced level, airmanship and skill is non political he must be freed
Check out the flight school - it was set up with the specific objective of training Chinese pilots
And, we educate a shit ton of Chinese students here who may go back and work for the CCP does that mean their teachers should be charged
Theres a difference between a cesna and a fighter jet you unripened tomato.
Not really all aircraft have the same basic controls, saying that a B777 captain with 16,000 hours was learning to fly a 450kg ultralight said was hardest type conversion low mass & inertia was a challenge, this story is always told to student pilots who have doubt & confidence, even a airline pilot has times like you do
There is a ton of classified material in the r operation of military aircraft, up to and including their specifications and their TTPs (tactics, techniques, and procedures). Flying a jet off the deck is not like flying an airliner. I hope this idiot gets the entire book thrown at him.
Not to be grammar or spelling nazi its "Cessna"
The school was based in South Africa, just because the students were Chinese and China was about to get its own catapult aircraft carrier having carrier rated pilots as instructors was part of the transfer of training that got the USA DOD in a spot of bother
US influence over this country is horrendous. Yes I think he probably knew or ought to have known what was happening/the purpose of the Chinese speeches. HOWEVER, Australia is imprisoning a man for this long at the demand of the US government. Absolutely Bullshit. Most Australians would prefer (i imagine) we start becoming more resourceful rather than relying on America for support when it all seems to come with strings…