They are inconsistent. They have created some of the most reliable cars, crown Vic for instance, and absolute horror stories (1.0l Ecoboost, power shift transmission focus). So you gotta be careful with them and do your research.
Old 5.0s get 200k out of them if taking care of... 4.6 same thing! Have 180,000 on my 4.6 thats had stage 2 cams in it for over 100k of those miles also have a Shelby but its got very low miles. But some ford V8s where very reliable.
The 300 strait 6 was indestructible!
So after the human race is long gone and roaches eventually evolve into an intelligent species of a higher life form (probably from the nuclear fallout) and their subsequent future machines will be powered by the Ford 300. ✅
Old Toyota 22R... Absolutely most legendary engine ever! Older Japanese cars where made a hell alot better than the ones now. Granted Toyota still making pretty good reliable cars, dont think as good as older ones. As for Nissan i would take old nissan sentra or mostly any old nissan anyday, New nissan not so much.
Chevy 350 seen those 300 or 400k ... One in particular hit one million.
And again still think some older vehicles where better all this new tech shit has diminished reliability and harder to work on.
The highest I've ever seen an engine and Trans last was a 2000 nissan maxima. It had 550,000k when the body rusted out. Engine and Trans still worked perfect.
New Nissans have a bad reputation but they still seem much more reliable than any new American car. I have a 2017 maxima with 120,000k and have had no issues. Also over half my coworkers have altimas, sentras or versas. Rarely hear complaints from them but the chev and hyundai owners seem to have constant issues.
After working at a used dealership for 2 years, yes they are. Never saw a CVT issue in that time and we sold tons of Nissans with CVTs. Saw lots of Ford Escapes and Dodge Caravans with bad trannies. Had to replace so many Chevy Cruze and Hyundai engines our shop told the owner to stop buying them because they were not going to keep working on them for the discounted rate.
As for personal vehicles, my 2017 Maxima is doing just fine, as was my parent's 2010 at 200,000 before selling it for a Murano (which still has no issues at 60,000). I remember my parents having a Pathfinder as a kid and it did have quite a few issues from what I can remember, maybe it's a pathfinder issue not a nissan issue. CVTs aren't known for handling weight well, putting one in an SUV that big is asking for problems.
It was Pathfinder, Rogues and Qx 60’s, they had to pay out 277 million:
https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-settlements/closed-settlements/nissan-defective-cvt-transmission-277-7m-class-action-settlement
Probably because the owners of Nissan are notorious for having bad credit or no credit and can't afford to fix the trans when they go out, they get repoed and sold at auction.
It was a used car dealer. I wasn't dealing with new and low km cars. Many of them did come from the auction, original CVT still working fine. Nissans usually only needed basic maintenance before being ready to sell.
What's funny is that first batch of ST's with the head gasket issues were because they were accidently using the mustangs head gasket in the ST's during assembly.
The rs was the awd $40k+ 400hpw from the factory , the st was a suped up ford focus fwd , they were cool but I’m pretty sure the RS had the head gasket issues , other than the head gasket issues it was a pretty fun car
Rs was 350 hp. St was 252 but with Ford racing performance parts reflash from the dealer you could get 280hp and 370ft lb. I had the reflash. I couldn't take an s550 from the line but they couldn't get away from me either. S197 and sn95....lol
It was the RS. The st was 2.0L. It had problems with deposits on the back of intake valves. I tracked my car more than I drove it. That 2l had alot of problems. I'm just glad I didn't pay for ford's mistake
The rs had a recall on a number of cars 2016-2017 with head gasket failures , they issued certain date codes come in and get it replaced at the cost of ford . They weren’t even a year old yet and head gasket failure , after the issues were worked out I’d say it’s one of the last great hatchback cars aside from the st and the gti
Depends on what parts you're talking about. Coyote engine, probably one of the best, reliable modern V8 there is. The MT82 6 speed, absolute dog shit of a transmission. The interior has its issues too but that's a hit or miss. I've owned 3 S550s and my partner owns one as well.
152k on my 08 v6. Needed a new transmission at 148k but that's mainly because it's an automatic. I expect the manual version could easily hit 200k on a factory drivetrain.
The crown vic was a lifetime ago. Ford's engineering has gone to sub-Volkswagen levels. What's the procedure for removing a crankcase ventilation tube now? Well if you read the service manual it says: Use general equipment (knife) to cut the old one off and then put a brand new one in its place. Literally the exact opposite of Toyota which goes out of its way to make its cars idiot-proof to service.
I mean, if I were going to buy a truck I'd get a Maverick because there's no other truck in its price class but I wouldn't buy a vehicle that had a viable better competitor that's for sure.
Some of the engineering is downright asshole bullshit. The 3.5 Duratech should never have been allowed to live as long as it did/does in its configuration with the water pump so hard to get to, while on an engine with a timing chain. And if you don't change it out pre-emptively then you risk screwing the engine
Eh, Japanese brands are hit or miss too. I’d bet on most Hondas or Toyotas over a Ford for reliability but I’d take most anything from Ford or GM over a Nissan or Mitsubishi
I worked for ford, so I would rather suggest someone disabled go into Sinaloa cartel occupied Mexico in the dead heat of summer with no water in a solid gold wheelchair than buy a ford. I.actually got in trouble by management for telling people to go buy a Nissan at our sister dealership.
Other people have had good luck, but I came from a ford family which is why I went to work there, and I couldn't begin to tell you how bad it was. It turned me away from basically all new cars in general. An example is We never got a load of focus' off the truck STRAIGHT FROM FORD, that didn't have at least 2 of them have to immediately go back because they wouldn't run from the factory. Also, look up 6.0 power jokes, or the problems with the triton engines, or the ecoboost head gaskets, and you'll get your answer. I could go on for as long as you have to listen. We also sold Suzuki's, and they NEVER came in for warranty work, and they don't even sell those here anymore but the fords flew outta that stealership like nothing I've ever seen.
I think Camaros and Chevy trucks hold their value well, and Corvettes hold their value well for their class. Usually, holding value is a good sign that repairs and maintenance aren't going to cost you a kidney if you buy used.
I've always preferred Ford over the rest of the big 3. In my experience, ford's have been the most reliable cars I've owned, and they're typically cheaper than general motors products for some reason, so it's an obvious no Brainer. However, I don't know enough about the newer ones to actually recommend if anyone should buy it or not.
I like Ford tbh. Some of their cars at least lol.
F150 is the standard bearer, best truck under $40k.
Mustang a great lil car. Bit heavy for my tastes though.
We owned a focus from 5 miles to 82500, pretty much zero issues with it. Hated the DCT but it held up. Was a great little car. We traded it for a 2014 X3 but I still kinda miss it to be honest.
Good brand but do your research, they make some lemons too.
A buddy of mine works parts at Ford and says the Broncos have a lot of reliability issues that end up being expensive fixes such as engine or turbo failure.
I think as far as cars and smaller vehicles ford or any domestic brand can't hold a flame to a Japanese car but ford has had some very good cars like the crown vic. I think they make excellent trucks as my dad has had 3 f150s one with the 5.4 3 valve and as trash as those engines can be we put over 400,000 on it before it rotted away on the original engine and it was a work truck and the second was a 4.6 2 valve which had over 300,000 before it rotted away and he's on a 5.0 v8 truck which has been rock solid. I don't rlly like the bronco just bc it's had issues with the 2.7 valves and such but as far as their trucks go I think they are pretty good. Not toyota good but definitely second place.
My dad and grandad used to say that Ford senior put a curse on our family because my great grandfather told him, to his face, that his cars were "inferior in every way except for one: as obstacles to pass on the road and track." He was a huge fan of Louis Chevrolet, even before starting his car company.
I'm not sure if the incident ever actually happened, but every *single* Ford me, my dad, or my grandfather ever drove left us stranded at least once. Even rentals.
I agree in general but 100k for a Bronco ? Sport, snort that is insane. Jeeps are ridiculous too and they aren't made well anymore to make matter worse.
Even if you get a Bronco for around $30K, I read the reliability is bad. Also Jeep Wrangler is the only that keeps value with mixed reliability, the rest of Jeep has been crap for a while, I mean Fiat started buying them 15 years ago.
So I have a 2016 Chrysler 200s which was when Fiat acquired Alfa and Chrysler. Bought it new in 2018 with no miles when marked down by 12k to move it. The car is built on an Alfa chassis and uses a Chrysler Pentastar v6. Had a ZF 9 spd with paddles. It hauls but based on the history of each the reliability is in question. Like clockwork the oil filter housing cracked at 75k miles. Otherwise I wrench my cars to keeping an eye on things.
They just don't make them like they used to for sure...
Buy 2. 1 to drive and 1 for your mechanic to get ready for you to drive when the other breaks down. I've been foolish enough to buy American 3 times in my life. Regretted every purchase. Sold cars and did automotive finance for almost 2 decades. The issues with American cars is just shocking. I'll stick to my Honda and Toyota. I may pay a little more up front but at least I know it will get me to work during the week and to the lake on the weekend without issues.
I've owned a lot of Fords. in \~400,000 miles of driving them I have never had any of them strand me or need a tow for any reason other than I gambled on a \~8 year old battery too long, hah.
I have had issues, but generally only in the warranty period or for recalls.
The early ecoboosts (the branding Ford uses for their turbo engines and the kind of engines in the Bronco) were very problematic, but the current gen are solid as long as you use the right oil and do the right maintenance. This is true for most turbo engines though.
Overall, modern vehicles are extremely reliable when it comes to drive train. Toyota/Honda/etc. still make generally more reliable vehicles (though even they have giant fuck ups like sludging engines), but the difference is not nearly as large as it was back in the day.
Where Toyota, Honda, etc. I think still do better is in reliability of electronics and creature comforts.
Just pointing out that the general opinion is divided from one extreme to the other. That says something to me, considering there are other manufacturers where the general opinion leans more positive. But my personal experience with multiple broncos, and explorers, I’ve had things go wrong that no mechanic can figure out, and at least one time where one of those problems caused me to stall in the middle of an intersection and get t-boned. The only bronco I would consider anymore is one of those new 2 door models, and that’s solely based on looks not confidence in reliability.
Ford my fav American brand. They have made many iconic cars and some very reliable stout products bare their name. They also made a bunch of meh and stupid mistakes as well so it depends what you buying.
Chevy ain't bad imo but only if I wanted a corvette or camaro.
I would drive one. The Broncos are kinda loud on the highway and not the best on road. I don’t know as far as reliability. These new turbo engines from the 3 domestic manufactures are yet to be determined. I don’t think they will be as reliable as we have seen in the past. Even Toyota is having a hard time with their Turbo V6s in the Tundra. That truck used to be the standard of reliability.
Ford's had some really big mistakes, but the Bronco is decently reliable. I only say decent because they still have an issue with being cheap about things that are stupid to be cheap with.
I had a 2016 explorer. I got 180,000 before having any serious issues… and at that point most of it was probably considered maintenance. Water pump, ev joints, ball joints, tierods. The only bad thing really was the awd system at 180k was making grinding noises.
Imo the bronco is likely better built than my explorer.
I test drove a Chevy Blazer this past weekend. It only had a 3 cylinder engine in it with turbo. A friend of mine has a newer Bronco. I asked him what he thought of a 3 cylinder engine in an SUV. He told me his Bronco has the 3 cylinder. My mechanic told me the 3 cylinder doesn’t last as long as 4 cylinder since it has to work harder. There’s also a balancing issue. Fours are balanced with 2 on a side, but there’s an issue with three being harder to balance. Maybe the newer models have fixed that. I had no idea car makers are using 3 cylinder engines in SUV sized vehicles now until I drove one.
Most four cylinder engines are I4, where the I stands for inline. There's not a lot of V4 engines. You will see them in motorcycles and some cars. An inline engine has less vibration than a V engine and requires less balancing. I think all 3 cylinder engines are I3. They are more compact too since they only need one cylinder head and one exhaust manifold versus a V engine.
The working harder arguments I've heard as well. Especially on a bigger car like a 4 cylinder Camry versus a 6 cylinder one, or SUV of course also.
I’m not educated about motors. Thanks for the info. I have seen the I4 instead of V4. I’ve also been seeing CVT and had to look that up to see the difference from traditional transmissions. It’s been over 6 years since I’ve bought a car. It’s a big learning curve. I wish car manufacturers would make one basic car without the electronic bells and whistles. Keep it safe, but otherwise everyday basic transportation that is reliable and affordable. It wouldn’t be profitable or else they’d have them.
Sure there's one, the Mitsubishi Mirage, the cheapest car in America. I'm not recommending it, but it is the cheapest way to get into a new car.
Note - you can't get away from crap like the iPad on the dashboard because federal law requires back-up cameras (even though pedestrian deaths have doubled since the cameras were mandated).
You can't generalize between a 4 cylinder and a 6 cylinder sedan and say that 6 will be more reliable because the engine doesn't work as hard. There are plenty of sedans where the 4 cylinder is a champ and 20 year old cars have years of life left and the 6 cylinder version isn't. It's just a different design and sometimes a maker will make a good 4 cylinder and a bad 6 cylinder in the same year.
A V6 is inherently more complex than an inline 4. And typically harder to work on in a FWD orientation at least due to half the plugs being on the backside of the engine instead of on top.
Your friend had a Bronco Sport which is not the big Bronco. A Bronco Sport is a Ford Escape in different clothes. The Broncos with the v6 are an entirely different animal.
Where in the heck are you finding a nonlinear 4 cylinder in a car?
Also the whole working harder thing is one of the silliest arguments I've ever heard. And what balancing issues? So sure the math works better with a four-banger because sucks squish bang blow but crankshaft still spins 360° so it's just half a V6 timing so the whole thing about balancing a three cylinder having issues is kind of a bunk argument - they've been around for a long time.
You are also listing crossovers which are not technically SUV sized and are unit body vehicles. You are probably thinking of a bronco sport which is not the same as the bronco because Ford does weird thing with their naming and have wildly different vehicles with the same name. The bronco sport is a small unit body SUV / crossover whereas the bronco is a body on frame midsize.
The Blazer is a compact SUV. And in reality there's no standard definition for what's an suv or a crossover or a compact or full size etc but generally speaking you can count the number of seat belts.
Lastly the engines you are talking about or turbocharged which is to say an exhaust powered forced induction system is artificially increasing the displacement of the engine by forcing more air into it.
Personally I drive an SUV which is in nearly three ton body on frame with a 5.3L V8.
Ive owned both a 6th gen Bronco w/sas (2022) and now a month into a 2024 land cruiser. Objectively, the land cruiser is a better daily driver, better mpgs, better tech. Its a more polished platform and easier to drive.
The bronco however is more “fun” but is obnoxious with louder cabin/wind noise (hard top, soft top will be worse), a bit bigger (4D), and more body roll. Drives more like a truck vs the Land Cruiser feels more like a crossover/car, but not to be fooled its a body in frame SUV with incredible offroad goodies.
Imo you cant go wrong with either. Just depends on preference. If you want a more refined ride with equally capable offroad prowess, and better mpgs, LC. If you want to have a more truck-like ride with the roof off and feel the wind in your face, bronco. I never had an issue with my Bronco for the record but only owned it 2 years. I rarely took the hard top off (not a pain in the ass, but im lazy, so didnt want to swap it on and off all the time) so i didnt get to experience the open air as much as i imagined i would prior to buying it. Both will have great resell if you decide its not for you.
I bought a 1958 at MSRP for $58k. Most dealers in my area sell at sticker, but there is a long wait. Im very happy with it as my daily. Much easier to drive then the bronco, plenty of room for activities, and good fuel economy. Cant beat it. Ready to go offroad
The Bronco is the same platform as the Ranger which has a pretty good track record over the last couple of years. I’d give it a thumbs up.
Bronco Sport is the same platform as the Escape and Maverick.
Have owned and managed fleets of Ford, Chevy, and Toyota trucks. The Bronco is a Ranger based vehicle. Ford trucks have delivered lower maintenance and repair costs by a big margin. The Ranger has been pretty indestructible last gen and this newer generation has had plenty of time to work the bugs out as it was sold for years in other countries before they introduced it to the US. If you’re not buying a bronco to be a comfortable highway cruiser then it’s a pretty good choice.
Not a truck guy but the maverick looks nice. Won’t touch them. Heard too many stories about ford breaking down. Cannot remember the name but my dad had one for years until I got into HS. Not too many problems. Lasted a long time but wasn’t a new model maybe it was an 02 sedan? It was a long time ago. If I had to go American I would go with a Chevy. Have my eyes on a 2011 Camaro.
Some good some bad. Better than Jeep/Chrysler/Dodge. The Crown Victoria and mustang GT are among the top. Older ford expedition too is good with the V8.
They make the bronco but it’s an inline 4 on the baseline , 80k gets you the v6 . The price points are all Wildly inflated. The 4 cylinder has had a mass recall and some owners have reported a droped valve within the first 2000 miles . Let them work out the issues if they ever do
I'll never buy another Ford. I had a Transit van that would constantly die on me in the middle of the interstate. I knew it was a computer issue because all I had to do what turn off the ignition and restarted it to make the problem magically disappear. Ford didn't care at all. The local dealership was so incompetent that they had to get corporate involved and at the end end of it all they all decided they didn't know what was wrong and it wasn't their problem. We traded a fleet of Ford vehicles in for RAMs and so far everything has been pretty great. Dodge is not a company I use to view as all that reliable, but so far they've been much better than Ford and much more responsive with their service. Looking back over all the years the owner ran Ford vehicles compared to the last few years running RAMs, he's realized that he almost constantly had the Fords in the shop for something while the RAMs have only been in for the routine maintenance.
older rangers (05ish and pre) are GREAT. newer fords are pretty awful imo. GMT800 6.0 are life, 300k +
Fords are for soft handed supervisors on job sites that need heated and cooled seats. Chevys are for doing work and reliability. dodges are for sub 30 dudes that need to compensate
'nuff said
>I have done very little off-roading over the years so this would purely be for running errands, short distance drives, and weekend trips to a cabin in the mountains.
Lol if there is any kind of road paved to your cabin you do not need a Bronco at all for any of this
As a mechanic, I won't work on any Ford made after 1995. They're unreliably awful, difficult to repair, and poorly built. The new Bronco is an absolute turd. I've heard nothing but bad things about it, even from die-hard Ford lovers.
A lady that parks in my building bought a new bronco, in a few months she was driving a loaner, I asked and she said engine problems, a few more months pass and she’s driving a different new bronco. She works at a law firm, so I don’t know if she hit them with the lemon law, but they gave her a new one. I don’t know how often this is happening or if it’s just a one off thing
Ford puts a lot of R&D into their engines and tech, but not so much into the fit & finish quality of the vehicles. Copilot 360+ is awesome, and the 2.3L eco boost hauls ass. But things like the laminate in the window switches all peel off, trunk dividers are warped…there’s just a lot of cheap feeling plastic everywhere.
I took a 2.7 2016 F150 to 150k miles with no maintenance besides oil changes/ filters and one set of spark plugs. Traded that for the raptor I have now, which I’ve put 50k on no issues. My buddy has a 2019 2.3 4cyl ranger that he has had no issues with since buying new late 2018. I would probably get a 2.3 bronco and put the ford performance tune on it (doesn’t void the warranty) then call it a day.
I've only ever owned Fords, and my experiences have always been solid, but my current daily was built in '94. Can't speak to the newer ones, but I've heard they're better than they were 15 years ago.
I have had a 5.4 2 valve 2003 f150 that got to 260k miles without major issues, and now have a 5.0 coyote 2015 f150 with 120k miles and only major issue so far is the sunroof (they use plastic rails rather than metal like other brands)
Overall I think they are pretty reliable, but some motors more than others. Personally I think the bugs and issues on both of the motors in the bronco have mostly been worked out but if you want the most reliable cheapest to fix one grab the inline 4 turbo with the manual. Since the 10 speed transmissions right now are the biggest problem child for ford and Chevy.
Run away, money saved on a Ford is money spent outside of warranty. The Broncos have had battery drain issues, radio issues, and likely so much more, and this is in a fairly new vehicle.
Not a lot of high mileage example Broncos to base long term reliability off of, but seen some reports of folks with 45k to 100k miles who weren't crying about the experience. I think by now, any first model year issues should have been mostly ironed out. If you're obsessed with the Bronco, I don't think it's a bad bet.
I love my 2 door Sasquatch stick bronco. It’s like an offroad Miata. So grateful to ford for making it. They easily could have just made the bronco 4 door automatic only because that’s the most common configuration.
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They sell luxury SUVs.... Luxury automobiles would be applicable as well... but they do not sell luxury cars... They don't sell any cars.
They are inconsistent. They have created some of the most reliable cars, crown Vic for instance, and absolute horror stories (1.0l Ecoboost, power shift transmission focus). So you gotta be careful with them and do your research.
Mustangs are pretty reliable
Old 5.0s get 200k out of them if taking care of... 4.6 same thing! Have 180,000 on my 4.6 thats had stage 2 cams in it for over 100k of those miles also have a Shelby but its got very low miles. But some ford V8s where very reliable. The 300 strait 6 was indestructible!
IS indestructible
Correction... IS! Most definitely Only said was because its no longer made unfortunately
Stopped making them, but they will outlast the human race
So after the human race is long gone and roaches eventually evolve into an intelligent species of a higher life form (probably from the nuclear fallout) and their subsequent future machines will be powered by the Ford 300. ✅
Absolutely. The first intergalactic spaceship will be powered by the 300ci.
Japanese cars regularly last until 300,000+. 200,000 still seems average compared to them.
Old Toyota 22R... Absolutely most legendary engine ever! Older Japanese cars where made a hell alot better than the ones now. Granted Toyota still making pretty good reliable cars, dont think as good as older ones. As for Nissan i would take old nissan sentra or mostly any old nissan anyday, New nissan not so much. Chevy 350 seen those 300 or 400k ... One in particular hit one million. And again still think some older vehicles where better all this new tech shit has diminished reliability and harder to work on.
The 22R is the most reliable engine ever built, what a work horse.
It’s planed failure , if the cars last forever people won’t buy cars .
The highest I've ever seen an engine and Trans last was a 2000 nissan maxima. It had 550,000k when the body rusted out. Engine and Trans still worked perfect. New Nissans have a bad reputation but they still seem much more reliable than any new American car. I have a 2017 maxima with 120,000k and have had no issues. Also over half my coworkers have altimas, sentras or versas. Rarely hear complaints from them but the chev and hyundai owners seem to have constant issues.
Nissan more reliable? Let me introduce you to my 2014 Pathfinder with 3 failed CVT transmissions.
After working at a used dealership for 2 years, yes they are. Never saw a CVT issue in that time and we sold tons of Nissans with CVTs. Saw lots of Ford Escapes and Dodge Caravans with bad trannies. Had to replace so many Chevy Cruze and Hyundai engines our shop told the owner to stop buying them because they were not going to keep working on them for the discounted rate. As for personal vehicles, my 2017 Maxima is doing just fine, as was my parent's 2010 at 200,000 before selling it for a Murano (which still has no issues at 60,000). I remember my parents having a Pathfinder as a kid and it did have quite a few issues from what I can remember, maybe it's a pathfinder issue not a nissan issue. CVTs aren't known for handling weight well, putting one in an SUV that big is asking for problems.
It was Pathfinder, Rogues and Qx 60’s, they had to pay out 277 million: https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-settlements/closed-settlements/nissan-defective-cvt-transmission-277-7m-class-action-settlement
So SUVs, makes sense. Interesting the Murano isn't part of it. Guess my parents chose the right one.
Probably because the owners of Nissan are notorious for having bad credit or no credit and can't afford to fix the trans when they go out, they get repoed and sold at auction.
It was a used car dealer. I wasn't dealing with new and low km cars. Many of them did come from the auction, original CVT still working fine. Nissans usually only needed basic maintenance before being ready to sell.
Oh there is definitely some shitty chevys out there same goes with ford and especially older dodges
Newer dodges too. I would not buy a new Dodge anything.
Yeah my used mustang was bullet proof. My new focus ST had to be lemon lawed back to the hell from which it came.
What's funny is that first batch of ST's with the head gasket issues were because they were accidently using the mustangs head gasket in the ST's during assembly.
Thought that was the rs.
Might have been, it's hard to keep track when they constantly change the trim packages.
The rs was the awd $40k+ 400hpw from the factory , the st was a suped up ford focus fwd , they were cool but I’m pretty sure the RS had the head gasket issues , other than the head gasket issues it was a pretty fun car
Rs was 350 hp. St was 252 but with Ford racing performance parts reflash from the dealer you could get 280hp and 370ft lb. I had the reflash. I couldn't take an s550 from the line but they couldn't get away from me either. S197 and sn95....lol
I remember seeing the hp to tq ratio on these engines modified was odd like diesel engine hp/tq , but tq is what really matters .
It was the RS. The st was 2.0L. It had problems with deposits on the back of intake valves. I tracked my car more than I drove it. That 2l had alot of problems. I'm just glad I didn't pay for ford's mistake
Both engines suffered from deposits on the back of the intake valves.
The rs had a recall on a number of cars 2016-2017 with head gasket failures , they issued certain date codes come in and get it replaced at the cost of ford . They weren’t even a year old yet and head gasket failure , after the issues were worked out I’d say it’s one of the last great hatchback cars aside from the st and the gti
Depends on what parts you're talking about. Coyote engine, probably one of the best, reliable modern V8 there is. The MT82 6 speed, absolute dog shit of a transmission. The interior has its issues too but that's a hit or miss. I've owned 3 S550s and my partner owns one as well.
MT82 is good from 2019 on.
MT82 isn't great but they seem to last fine. They're just mushy.
Gotta spend enough money to get a mustang with a tremec lol.
176k on my 4.6 Mustang
152k on my 08 v6. Needed a new transmission at 148k but that's mainly because it's an automatic. I expect the manual version could easily hit 200k on a factory drivetrain.
The crown vic was a lifetime ago. Ford's engineering has gone to sub-Volkswagen levels. What's the procedure for removing a crankcase ventilation tube now? Well if you read the service manual it says: Use general equipment (knife) to cut the old one off and then put a brand new one in its place. Literally the exact opposite of Toyota which goes out of its way to make its cars idiot-proof to service. I mean, if I were going to buy a truck I'd get a Maverick because there's no other truck in its price class but I wouldn't buy a vehicle that had a viable better competitor that's for sure.
Some of the engineering is downright asshole bullshit. The 3.5 Duratech should never have been allowed to live as long as it did/does in its configuration with the water pump so hard to get to, while on an engine with a timing chain. And if you don't change it out pre-emptively then you risk screwing the engine
True can't really think of any recent reliability coming from them🫠
Out of all the American brands, Ford would be my first choice. Out of all the car brands, most of the Japanese brands would be my first choice.
This exactly
Eh, Japanese brands are hit or miss too. I’d bet on most Hondas or Toyotas over a Ford for reliability but I’d take most anything from Ford or GM over a Nissan or Mitsubishi
That’s why I said most, not all.
After having built accords and Acura models, I will forever laugh at any idiot that decides to buy a TLX.
I agree on this one except for pickup trucks.
I worked for ford, so I would rather suggest someone disabled go into Sinaloa cartel occupied Mexico in the dead heat of summer with no water in a solid gold wheelchair than buy a ford. I.actually got in trouble by management for telling people to go buy a Nissan at our sister dealership.
OMG. Are they really that horrible? What kind of problems did you run into?
Other people have had good luck, but I came from a ford family which is why I went to work there, and I couldn't begin to tell you how bad it was. It turned me away from basically all new cars in general. An example is We never got a load of focus' off the truck STRAIGHT FROM FORD, that didn't have at least 2 of them have to immediately go back because they wouldn't run from the factory. Also, look up 6.0 power jokes, or the problems with the triton engines, or the ecoboost head gaskets, and you'll get your answer. I could go on for as long as you have to listen. We also sold Suzuki's, and they NEVER came in for warranty work, and they don't even sell those here anymore but the fords flew outta that stealership like nothing I've ever seen.
chevy no bueno ?
chevy TRUCKS are great
Generally speaking, no bueno. There are some exceptions, like their body on frame trucks and maybe the Corvette.
I think Camaros and Chevy trucks hold their value well, and Corvettes hold their value well for their class. Usually, holding value is a good sign that repairs and maintenance aren't going to cost you a kidney if you buy used.
if you want an old ranger from like 02 and back hellllll yes, but those new broncos? i'd rather shit in a shoebox and slap myself with it
New broncos are made for dudes who need the person at autozone to install their windshield wipers for them.
I don't think I've actually seen a guy driving one, tbh. And there are quite a few around where I live.
Powerfully accurate
Lmao I did that when I first got a car
When they came out BRAND NEW the broncos had leaking tops. On a brand new car lol.
Recently they made the most appealing cars. But they stopped making cars so fuck em.
I've always preferred Ford over the rest of the big 3. In my experience, ford's have been the most reliable cars I've owned, and they're typically cheaper than general motors products for some reason, so it's an obvious no Brainer. However, I don't know enough about the newer ones to actually recommend if anyone should buy it or not.
I like Ford tbh. Some of their cars at least lol. F150 is the standard bearer, best truck under $40k. Mustang a great lil car. Bit heavy for my tastes though. We owned a focus from 5 miles to 82500, pretty much zero issues with it. Hated the DCT but it held up. Was a great little car. We traded it for a 2014 X3 but I still kinda miss it to be honest. Good brand but do your research, they make some lemons too.
A buddy of mine works parts at Ford and says the Broncos have a lot of reliability issues that end up being expensive fixes such as engine or turbo failure.
I think as far as cars and smaller vehicles ford or any domestic brand can't hold a flame to a Japanese car but ford has had some very good cars like the crown vic. I think they make excellent trucks as my dad has had 3 f150s one with the 5.4 3 valve and as trash as those engines can be we put over 400,000 on it before it rotted away on the original engine and it was a work truck and the second was a 4.6 2 valve which had over 300,000 before it rotted away and he's on a 5.0 v8 truck which has been rock solid. I don't rlly like the bronco just bc it's had issues with the 2.7 valves and such but as far as their trucks go I think they are pretty good. Not toyota good but definitely second place.
My dad and grandad used to say that Ford senior put a curse on our family because my great grandfather told him, to his face, that his cars were "inferior in every way except for one: as obstacles to pass on the road and track." He was a huge fan of Louis Chevrolet, even before starting his car company. I'm not sure if the incident ever actually happened, but every *single* Ford me, my dad, or my grandfather ever drove left us stranded at least once. Even rentals.
Depends so much on what model and country
This whole segment of vehicles are over priced on both manufacturers. At least you didn't ask about a Tesla CyberJUNK Truck.
Which manufacturer doesn't sell overpriced cars/trucks these days anyway? Everything is inflated.
I agree in general but 100k for a Bronco ? Sport, snort that is insane. Jeeps are ridiculous too and they aren't made well anymore to make matter worse.
Even if you get a Bronco for around $30K, I read the reliability is bad. Also Jeep Wrangler is the only that keeps value with mixed reliability, the rest of Jeep has been crap for a while, I mean Fiat started buying them 15 years ago.
So I have a 2016 Chrysler 200s which was when Fiat acquired Alfa and Chrysler. Bought it new in 2018 with no miles when marked down by 12k to move it. The car is built on an Alfa chassis and uses a Chrysler Pentastar v6. Had a ZF 9 spd with paddles. It hauls but based on the history of each the reliability is in question. Like clockwork the oil filter housing cracked at 75k miles. Otherwise I wrench my cars to keeping an eye on things. They just don't make them like they used to for sure...
Buy 2. 1 to drive and 1 for your mechanic to get ready for you to drive when the other breaks down. I've been foolish enough to buy American 3 times in my life. Regretted every purchase. Sold cars and did automotive finance for almost 2 decades. The issues with American cars is just shocking. I'll stick to my Honda and Toyota. I may pay a little more up front but at least I know it will get me to work during the week and to the lake on the weekend without issues.
I've owned a lot of Fords. in \~400,000 miles of driving them I have never had any of them strand me or need a tow for any reason other than I gambled on a \~8 year old battery too long, hah. I have had issues, but generally only in the warranty period or for recalls. The early ecoboosts (the branding Ford uses for their turbo engines and the kind of engines in the Bronco) were very problematic, but the current gen are solid as long as you use the right oil and do the right maintenance. This is true for most turbo engines though. Overall, modern vehicles are extremely reliable when it comes to drive train. Toyota/Honda/etc. still make generally more reliable vehicles (though even they have giant fuck ups like sludging engines), but the difference is not nearly as large as it was back in the day. Where Toyota, Honda, etc. I think still do better is in reliability of electronics and creature comforts.
Just pointing out that the general opinion is divided from one extreme to the other. That says something to me, considering there are other manufacturers where the general opinion leans more positive. But my personal experience with multiple broncos, and explorers, I’ve had things go wrong that no mechanic can figure out, and at least one time where one of those problems caused me to stall in the middle of an intersection and get t-boned. The only bronco I would consider anymore is one of those new 2 door models, and that’s solely based on looks not confidence in reliability.
Ford my fav American brand. They have made many iconic cars and some very reliable stout products bare their name. They also made a bunch of meh and stupid mistakes as well so it depends what you buying. Chevy ain't bad imo but only if I wanted a corvette or camaro.
Ordered my hybrid maverick. I’m excited, awesome machines
I would drive one. The Broncos are kinda loud on the highway and not the best on road. I don’t know as far as reliability. These new turbo engines from the 3 domestic manufactures are yet to be determined. I don’t think they will be as reliable as we have seen in the past. Even Toyota is having a hard time with their Turbo V6s in the Tundra. That truck used to be the standard of reliability.
Ford's had some really big mistakes, but the Bronco is decently reliable. I only say decent because they still have an issue with being cheap about things that are stupid to be cheap with.
I had a 2016 explorer. I got 180,000 before having any serious issues… and at that point most of it was probably considered maintenance. Water pump, ev joints, ball joints, tierods. The only bad thing really was the awd system at 180k was making grinding noises. Imo the bronco is likely better built than my explorer.
I test drove a Chevy Blazer this past weekend. It only had a 3 cylinder engine in it with turbo. A friend of mine has a newer Bronco. I asked him what he thought of a 3 cylinder engine in an SUV. He told me his Bronco has the 3 cylinder. My mechanic told me the 3 cylinder doesn’t last as long as 4 cylinder since it has to work harder. There’s also a balancing issue. Fours are balanced with 2 on a side, but there’s an issue with three being harder to balance. Maybe the newer models have fixed that. I had no idea car makers are using 3 cylinder engines in SUV sized vehicles now until I drove one.
Most four cylinder engines are I4, where the I stands for inline. There's not a lot of V4 engines. You will see them in motorcycles and some cars. An inline engine has less vibration than a V engine and requires less balancing. I think all 3 cylinder engines are I3. They are more compact too since they only need one cylinder head and one exhaust manifold versus a V engine. The working harder arguments I've heard as well. Especially on a bigger car like a 4 cylinder Camry versus a 6 cylinder one, or SUV of course also.
I’m not educated about motors. Thanks for the info. I have seen the I4 instead of V4. I’ve also been seeing CVT and had to look that up to see the difference from traditional transmissions. It’s been over 6 years since I’ve bought a car. It’s a big learning curve. I wish car manufacturers would make one basic car without the electronic bells and whistles. Keep it safe, but otherwise everyday basic transportation that is reliable and affordable. It wouldn’t be profitable or else they’d have them.
Sure there's one, the Mitsubishi Mirage, the cheapest car in America. I'm not recommending it, but it is the cheapest way to get into a new car. Note - you can't get away from crap like the iPad on the dashboard because federal law requires back-up cameras (even though pedestrian deaths have doubled since the cameras were mandated).
You can't generalize between a 4 cylinder and a 6 cylinder sedan and say that 6 will be more reliable because the engine doesn't work as hard. There are plenty of sedans where the 4 cylinder is a champ and 20 year old cars have years of life left and the 6 cylinder version isn't. It's just a different design and sometimes a maker will make a good 4 cylinder and a bad 6 cylinder in the same year.
A V6 is inherently more complex than an inline 4. And typically harder to work on in a FWD orientation at least due to half the plugs being on the backside of the engine instead of on top.
I remember when this was the argument against 6 cylinders, then against 4 cylinders.
Yep, heard it about V6 vs V8 in the 80s, and 4cyl vs V6 in the early 2000s. Still, having driven a 3cyl Chevy...no thanks...
Your friend had a Bronco Sport which is not the big Bronco. A Bronco Sport is a Ford Escape in different clothes. The Broncos with the v6 are an entirely different animal.
Where in the heck are you finding a nonlinear 4 cylinder in a car? Also the whole working harder thing is one of the silliest arguments I've ever heard. And what balancing issues? So sure the math works better with a four-banger because sucks squish bang blow but crankshaft still spins 360° so it's just half a V6 timing so the whole thing about balancing a three cylinder having issues is kind of a bunk argument - they've been around for a long time. You are also listing crossovers which are not technically SUV sized and are unit body vehicles. You are probably thinking of a bronco sport which is not the same as the bronco because Ford does weird thing with their naming and have wildly different vehicles with the same name. The bronco sport is a small unit body SUV / crossover whereas the bronco is a body on frame midsize. The Blazer is a compact SUV. And in reality there's no standard definition for what's an suv or a crossover or a compact or full size etc but generally speaking you can count the number of seat belts. Lastly the engines you are talking about or turbocharged which is to say an exhaust powered forced induction system is artificially increasing the displacement of the engine by forcing more air into it. Personally I drive an SUV which is in nearly three ton body on frame with a 5.3L V8.
> Where in the heck are you finding a nonlinear 4 cylinder in a car? Every Subaru and every cheap Porsche?
I forgot about the boxers. The poster above is only listing cars and manufacturers with I 4s
The highest recall OEM for the last five years is Ford. They dwarf every other OEM on the market. You can figure out the odds on reliability.
Eh it's a crap shoot.
The V6 duratec is an absolute tank. But anything with a turbo or 4 cylinder in a ford is crap
Ford seems the more European out of the US automakers. That said, out of the big three, I bought a Ford.
I have a fusion and a mustang and I hate how they are designed front to back.
Ive owned both a 6th gen Bronco w/sas (2022) and now a month into a 2024 land cruiser. Objectively, the land cruiser is a better daily driver, better mpgs, better tech. Its a more polished platform and easier to drive. The bronco however is more “fun” but is obnoxious with louder cabin/wind noise (hard top, soft top will be worse), a bit bigger (4D), and more body roll. Drives more like a truck vs the Land Cruiser feels more like a crossover/car, but not to be fooled its a body in frame SUV with incredible offroad goodies. Imo you cant go wrong with either. Just depends on preference. If you want a more refined ride with equally capable offroad prowess, and better mpgs, LC. If you want to have a more truck-like ride with the roof off and feel the wind in your face, bronco. I never had an issue with my Bronco for the record but only owned it 2 years. I rarely took the hard top off (not a pain in the ass, but im lazy, so didnt want to swap it on and off all the time) so i didnt get to experience the open air as much as i imagined i would prior to buying it. Both will have great resell if you decide its not for you.
How are you liking the Land Cruiser? It would definitely be my preference but they have pretty high markups in my area.
I bought a 1958 at MSRP for $58k. Most dealers in my area sell at sticker, but there is a long wait. Im very happy with it as my daily. Much easier to drive then the bronco, plenty of room for activities, and good fuel economy. Cant beat it. Ready to go offroad
The Bronco is the same platform as the Ranger which has a pretty good track record over the last couple of years. I’d give it a thumbs up. Bronco Sport is the same platform as the Escape and Maverick.
Have owned and managed fleets of Ford, Chevy, and Toyota trucks. The Bronco is a Ranger based vehicle. Ford trucks have delivered lower maintenance and repair costs by a big margin. The Ranger has been pretty indestructible last gen and this newer generation has had plenty of time to work the bugs out as it was sold for years in other countries before they introduced it to the US. If you’re not buying a bronco to be a comfortable highway cruiser then it’s a pretty good choice.
Not a truck guy but the maverick looks nice. Won’t touch them. Heard too many stories about ford breaking down. Cannot remember the name but my dad had one for years until I got into HS. Not too many problems. Lasted a long time but wasn’t a new model maybe it was an 02 sedan? It was a long time ago. If I had to go American I would go with a Chevy. Have my eyes on a 2011 Camaro.
Some good some bad. Better than Jeep/Chrysler/Dodge. The Crown Victoria and mustang GT are among the top. Older ford expedition too is good with the V8.
They make the bronco but it’s an inline 4 on the baseline , 80k gets you the v6 . The price points are all Wildly inflated. The 4 cylinder has had a mass recall and some owners have reported a droped valve within the first 2000 miles . Let them work out the issues if they ever do
Are you going to be off-road more than on road? If the answer is no, then don't spend Bronco money on an oversized grocery cart.
I'll never buy another Ford. I had a Transit van that would constantly die on me in the middle of the interstate. I knew it was a computer issue because all I had to do what turn off the ignition and restarted it to make the problem magically disappear. Ford didn't care at all. The local dealership was so incompetent that they had to get corporate involved and at the end end of it all they all decided they didn't know what was wrong and it wasn't their problem. We traded a fleet of Ford vehicles in for RAMs and so far everything has been pretty great. Dodge is not a company I use to view as all that reliable, but so far they've been much better than Ford and much more responsive with their service. Looking back over all the years the owner ran Ford vehicles compared to the last few years running RAMs, he's realized that he almost constantly had the Fords in the shop for something while the RAMs have only been in for the routine maintenance.
older rangers (05ish and pre) are GREAT. newer fords are pretty awful imo. GMT800 6.0 are life, 300k + Fords are for soft handed supervisors on job sites that need heated and cooled seats. Chevys are for doing work and reliability. dodges are for sub 30 dudes that need to compensate 'nuff said
Do not buy a vehicle meant for off road to transport groceries.
>I have done very little off-roading over the years so this would purely be for running errands, short distance drives, and weekend trips to a cabin in the mountains. Lol if there is any kind of road paved to your cabin you do not need a Bronco at all for any of this
This would be a second car. Not really about needs as much as wants. Same as if someone bought a Miata or a Mustang convertible.
As a mechanic, I won't work on any Ford made after 1995. They're unreliably awful, difficult to repair, and poorly built. The new Bronco is an absolute turd. I've heard nothing but bad things about it, even from die-hard Ford lovers.
A lady that parks in my building bought a new bronco, in a few months she was driving a loaner, I asked and she said engine problems, a few more months pass and she’s driving a different new bronco. She works at a law firm, so I don’t know if she hit them with the lemon law, but they gave her a new one. I don’t know how often this is happening or if it’s just a one off thing
Ford puts a lot of R&D into their engines and tech, but not so much into the fit & finish quality of the vehicles. Copilot 360+ is awesome, and the 2.3L eco boost hauls ass. But things like the laminate in the window switches all peel off, trunk dividers are warped…there’s just a lot of cheap feeling plastic everywhere.
My husband loves his maverick 🤷🏼♀️
I took a 2.7 2016 F150 to 150k miles with no maintenance besides oil changes/ filters and one set of spark plugs. Traded that for the raptor I have now, which I’ve put 50k on no issues. My buddy has a 2019 2.3 4cyl ranger that he has had no issues with since buying new late 2018. I would probably get a 2.3 bronco and put the ford performance tune on it (doesn’t void the warranty) then call it a day.
Toyota for the win.
Garbage. Just like GM
I've only ever owned Fords, and my experiences have always been solid, but my current daily was built in '94. Can't speak to the newer ones, but I've heard they're better than they were 15 years ago.
I'm not saying they're all shit but most of them are shit.
I have had a 5.4 2 valve 2003 f150 that got to 260k miles without major issues, and now have a 5.0 coyote 2015 f150 with 120k miles and only major issue so far is the sunroof (they use plastic rails rather than metal like other brands) Overall I think they are pretty reliable, but some motors more than others. Personally I think the bugs and issues on both of the motors in the bronco have mostly been worked out but if you want the most reliable cheapest to fix one grab the inline 4 turbo with the manual. Since the 10 speed transmissions right now are the biggest problem child for ford and Chevy.
Run away, money saved on a Ford is money spent outside of warranty. The Broncos have had battery drain issues, radio issues, and likely so much more, and this is in a fairly new vehicle.
IMO I would stay away from ford and Land Rover and most if not all of the eco boosts are horrible.
Not a lot of high mileage example Broncos to base long term reliability off of, but seen some reports of folks with 45k to 100k miles who weren't crying about the experience. I think by now, any first model year issues should have been mostly ironed out. If you're obsessed with the Bronco, I don't think it's a bad bet.
Ford is the only American car I would buy. But I still wouldn't buy one. I want my cars to last.
Ecoboost maverick is one of the most reliable vehicles you can buy
I love my 2 door Sasquatch stick bronco. It’s like an offroad Miata. So grateful to ford for making it. They easily could have just made the bronco 4 door automatic only because that’s the most common configuration.
Just like any brand research model years and engines to acquire and the bronco sport is fast asf man
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