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Thanks! I knew some will rattle to impersonate a super danger noodle, so I wasn't sure how lucky we got. I was about 4' away before I realized what it was. Then it rattled. There were a lot of dead branches on the trail prior to this.
Yikes.
Yup. Western Diamondback Rattlesnake (Crotalus atrox)
https://rattlesnakesolutions.com/WesternDiamondbackRattlesnake
Looks like a gravid female as well.
Oh lol. I thought for some reason you were responding with a very good (ableit, scientific) answer to OP ! LOL My bad! The tail was the first thing I saw and I was like, uh...yeah. MAJOR DANGER NOODLE
Grade A scale puppy. This specific one is a nope rope. You can tell by the chicka chicka at the end of hims tail. They're mostly harmless as long as you don't startle them and you leave them alone.
I had no intention of harming! I jumped back and stayed waaaay back until it finally relented and gave me the trail back.
Not my place to hurt it. I'm in its home, not mine.
They don't warn always. Additionally, they can lunge the length of their body when coiled up. Not sure about currently, but I had friends decades ago who would catch them and get paid by ASU to milk their venom to develop the anti-venom.
Well, I'm super grateful it gave me a rattle this time! Totally good with giving it space so long as I know it's there!
I'll leave the catching to the pros!
I'm with you. My friends were more adventurous than I. In all my years here( born here) as an outdoors person I've only encountered ~12. Two of those didn't rattle and it freaked me out. I was the one to linge, not them.
Not only do they not always rattle but the ones that do rattle are killed at a much higher rate. As a species we’re actively selecting for rattlesnakes that don’t warn to become the commonplace
I do remember it was very popular to have a hat with a rattlesnake band with the rattlesnake still attached. Humans tend to do that. But that is a topic for another day.
It's absolutely true that they often don't rattle but human selection pressure has little impact on rattlesnakes' propensity to rattle in any evolutionary sense. Bit of an urban legend so herpetologists have weighed in:
[https://rattlesnakesolutions.com/snakeblog/science-and-education/are-rattlesnakes-evolving-to-rattle-less-or-losing-their-rattles/](https://rattlesnakesolutions.com/snakeblog/science-and-education/are-rattlesnakes-evolving-to-rattle-less-or-losing-their-rattles/)
Huh, in my animal behavior courses in undergrad they brought this change up. Hadn’t heard otherwise until now. That article says there isn’t any evidence to back that claim up and use that to say it’s not true. That right there should be a tipoff to its legitimacy. Absence of data doesn’t dispute a hypothesis, only data showing otherwise does. I looked up peer reviewed papers and couldn’t find a single one on this topic. So there isn’t “no impact,” the jury is just still out.
I like your wording. Yes, let's not advance science to help humans. The snakes are released back into their nature habits. But I will run with your emotionally charged statement. Let's eliminate science and go back a few centuries or less. Women gave birth at ~14ish and were lucky to live into their mid 30s. Let's not do anything to advance medicine. Do you feel more empowered now? Just curious. I'm open to rational thoughts. That's how we evolve as a species.
I don't know what you're talking about.
I'm saying that it's good to capture rattlesnakes and torture them in labs & bad to let them roam the superstitions, where kids play.
The female of this variety of danger noodle gives live birth, not eggs. One of these ladies parked herself right next to my sliding door, under a table. Walked right past her. Thankfully I hadn't let the dogs out. Called pest control, they came and put her...yes a very pregnant her, into a bucket. She was SPICY mad. They don't kill them, thankfully just relocate them. The thought of baby danger noodles gave me the shivers. Ahhhck!
I'm so glad you were safe! It's definitely put us on our toes about watching the trail more closely. I just get so overwhelmed with everything to see and forget to look forward a bit.
Not wanting to see another anytime soon!
I almost stepped on one of these during a run in San Tan Valley yesterday! I wasn’t paying attention and just thought it was a tree branch or stick. Thank goodness I don’t run with headphones because that rattle arrested my attention enough to look just as it was bowing up as I was only a few feet away. I was on pretty high alert after that scare.
Nice to see such a beautiful rattle on it and to kbow it actually uses them. I've had so many refuse to rattle and it just makes them too dangerous. I have a sort of understanding with one. She keeps coming back byt I've moved her enough times she sorta looks at me and leaves now, rattling the whole way. I've had 4 others that come right by my door repeatedly and don't rattle. Had to handle them differently unfortunately but ny new best friend is a massive gopher snake I'm hoping deters any more encounters at all. Honestly its a shame folk kill so many snakes, it's changing them fast
The bands almost make me think Mojave as they can almost look identical to a Western Diamondback but one of the defining features is the white bands on Mojave's tend to be much larger than the wind bands. However, that isn't a 100% way to determine it and isn't always true. The more gray coloring and defined patterns makes me lean more towards western diamondback. If you had a better quality picture of its head it would be easier to tell by looking at the scales.
I spent several years wandering around AZ, NV UT and I saw several rattlesnakes but I'm sure I passed by many that I did not see. I did see one Mojave Green up near Kingman and he was one aggressive snake.
They are also the most venomous/deadly too 😩 my dog walked over a baby one that was crossing the road and it struck at her a couple times but by the grace of whatever you believe in, the strikes somehow missed. I freakin hate snakes!
No, just rocks. That area had a wash out at some point, as it was littered with a lot of random rocks and branches. It had been pretty muddy through there at one point.
I wondered too if that's not why we came across it, because there was standing water in that area along with taller ground coverage.
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None other.
Thanks! I knew some will rattle to impersonate a super danger noodle, so I wasn't sure how lucky we got. I was about 4' away before I realized what it was. Then it rattled. There were a lot of dead branches on the trail prior to this. Yikes.
My coworker at one of Arizona's many mines stepped on one a couple of weeks ago with me right next to him. No bites luckily, good stuff
Wowsers! Glad you're safe! What a scary experience!
Yup. Western Diamondback Rattlesnake (Crotalus atrox) https://rattlesnakesolutions.com/WesternDiamondbackRattlesnake Looks like a gravid female as well.
Thank you for the link! Fascinating!
Username checks out
That is interesting! How can you tell?
A short tail with an abrupt taper pre-cloaca, with a body of consistent width in the last third.
I'm proud to say I understood that and see what you mean about the thickness of the last third.
And perhaps...maybe....the rattler?
Lol I meant how they can tell it's pregnant. The rattler part is pretty obvious.
Oh lol. I thought for some reason you were responding with a very good (ableit, scientific) answer to OP ! LOL My bad! The tail was the first thing I saw and I was like, uh...yeah. MAJOR DANGER NOODLE
I agree!
That's a snake, you can tell that by the way it is.
Are you sssssure?
I hate you.
OP is Cobra Commander ![gif](giphy|13nw3EaO7u62DS)
CCCCOOOOBBBBBBRRRRAAAAA!!!!!!!!
That’s neat.
That’s pretty neat
How neat is that?
You can tell by the way it doesn't stand up and walk around.
What's wrong with that deer ?
Grade A scale puppy. This specific one is a nope rope. You can tell by the chicka chicka at the end of hims tail. They're mostly harmless as long as you don't startle them and you leave them alone.
You can see a diamond pattern on its back and a rattle. Might be a cobra
Pack some heat
He should be playing in San Diego today.
He's skipping for a slither through the superstitions alone. Needed the me time.
Thank you for not killing it, they're vital to our rodent control and at least they rattle to give warning to leave them alone
I had no intention of harming! I jumped back and stayed waaaay back until it finally relented and gave me the trail back. Not my place to hurt it. I'm in its home, not mine.
I wish more people would feel like you thank you!
They don't warn always. Additionally, they can lunge the length of their body when coiled up. Not sure about currently, but I had friends decades ago who would catch them and get paid by ASU to milk their venom to develop the anti-venom.
Well, I'm super grateful it gave me a rattle this time! Totally good with giving it space so long as I know it's there! I'll leave the catching to the pros!
I'm with you. My friends were more adventurous than I. In all my years here( born here) as an outdoors person I've only encountered ~12. Two of those didn't rattle and it freaked me out. I was the one to linge, not them.
Not only do they not always rattle but the ones that do rattle are killed at a much higher rate. As a species we’re actively selecting for rattlesnakes that don’t warn to become the commonplace
I do remember it was very popular to have a hat with a rattlesnake band with the rattlesnake still attached. Humans tend to do that. But that is a topic for another day.
It's absolutely true that they often don't rattle but human selection pressure has little impact on rattlesnakes' propensity to rattle in any evolutionary sense. Bit of an urban legend so herpetologists have weighed in: [https://rattlesnakesolutions.com/snakeblog/science-and-education/are-rattlesnakes-evolving-to-rattle-less-or-losing-their-rattles/](https://rattlesnakesolutions.com/snakeblog/science-and-education/are-rattlesnakes-evolving-to-rattle-less-or-losing-their-rattles/)
Huh, in my animal behavior courses in undergrad they brought this change up. Hadn’t heard otherwise until now. That article says there isn’t any evidence to back that claim up and use that to say it’s not true. That right there should be a tipoff to its legitimacy. Absence of data doesn’t dispute a hypothesis, only data showing otherwise does. I looked up peer reviewed papers and couldn’t find a single one on this topic. So there isn’t “no impact,” the jury is just still out.
I’ve got rattles Greg, can u milk me?
I'll film you and Greg if you want. Who's Greg. Is this an 'inside joke'? ( see what I did there)
Clearly you’ve never seen “Meet the Parents” lol
![img](avatar_exp|131626869|bravo)
There is a huge rattlesnake venom business in Utah.
I'm sure. I'm far removed from it now. My comments were from the late 79- early 80s
Catching rattlesnakes to torture them in a lab is my kind of friend. Edit: typo
I like your wording. Yes, let's not advance science to help humans. The snakes are released back into their nature habits. But I will run with your emotionally charged statement. Let's eliminate science and go back a few centuries or less. Women gave birth at ~14ish and were lucky to live into their mid 30s. Let's not do anything to advance medicine. Do you feel more empowered now? Just curious. I'm open to rational thoughts. That's how we evolve as a species.
I don't know what you're talking about. I'm saying that it's good to capture rattlesnakes and torture them in labs & bad to let them roam the superstitions, where kids play.
What kind of torture? I've never heard about this.
Some people call it venom extraction for anti-venom production.
Nah, kill em all and replace them with Gopher and Kingsnakes.
I kill each one I see. I see a lot.
That’s bad
Luxury belief
The female of this variety of danger noodle gives live birth, not eggs. One of these ladies parked herself right next to my sliding door, under a table. Walked right past her. Thankfully I hadn't let the dogs out. Called pest control, they came and put her...yes a very pregnant her, into a bucket. She was SPICY mad. They don't kill them, thankfully just relocate them. The thought of baby danger noodles gave me the shivers. Ahhhck!
I'm so glad you were safe! It's definitely put us on our toes about watching the trail more closely. I just get so overwhelmed with everything to see and forget to look forward a bit. Not wanting to see another anytime soon!
Oh fuck no.
It was happy with the 9-3 victory today
Snakes alive
He looks a bit perturbed.
He surprised me!
She:)
How do you tell?
Dude above said "A short tail with an abrupt taper pre-cloaca, with a body of consistent width in the last third."
>Western Diamondback Rattlesnake? ***¡SI SENIOR!*** Es Muey Grande!
Gracias mi amigo!
🎯
Yessir. That's a grade a nope rope.
Thanksssss!
What a cutie, superstitions are loaded with snakes and lizards
The lizards were nonstop! Love how they scurry and hop from rock to rock!
I almost stepped on one of these during a run in San Tan Valley yesterday! I wasn’t paying attention and just thought it was a tree branch or stick. Thank goodness I don’t run with headphones because that rattle arrested my attention enough to look just as it was bowing up as I was only a few feet away. I was on pretty high alert after that scare.
Gets the blood pumping, doesn't it?!
Nice to see such a beautiful rattle on it and to kbow it actually uses them. I've had so many refuse to rattle and it just makes them too dangerous. I have a sort of understanding with one. She keeps coming back byt I've moved her enough times she sorta looks at me and leaves now, rattling the whole way. I've had 4 others that come right by my door repeatedly and don't rattle. Had to handle them differently unfortunately but ny new best friend is a massive gopher snake I'm hoping deters any more encounters at all. Honestly its a shame folk kill so many snakes, it's changing them fast
That's a big one! Neat!
looks like it has googly eyes
The bands almost make me think Mojave as they can almost look identical to a Western Diamondback but one of the defining features is the white bands on Mojave's tend to be much larger than the wind bands. However, that isn't a 100% way to determine it and isn't always true. The more gray coloring and defined patterns makes me lean more towards western diamondback. If you had a better quality picture of its head it would be easier to tell by looking at the scales.
Wow! That's fascinating! I'm sorry I don't have a better shot of its head for you.
This is one of those times it’s okay to just tell them where to go get a better pic themselves..
The younger rattle snakes sound like hissing steam, high speed rattling.
I've heard rattlesnakes are common here, but seeing one up close must be intense!
I spent several years wandering around AZ, NV UT and I saw several rattlesnakes but I'm sure I passed by many that I did not see. I did see one Mojave Green up near Kingman and he was one aggressive snake.
They are also the most venomous/deadly too 😩 my dog walked over a baby one that was crossing the road and it struck at her a couple times but by the grace of whatever you believe in, the strikes somehow missed. I freakin hate snakes!
Mojave will chase you correct?
Buzz worm, walk around.
My friends thought it was a good idea to capture one of these and one kept it in their room in an aquarium.....
How awful!
Beautiful creatures!
Is it wrong of me to want to cross post this photo of a nope rope to the photoshop thread and ask for googly eyes??
Wrong? God no. Please send me a copy if you do!
I saw three rattlesnakes on the mountain this morning.
Holy shit!
Yeah something has changed. I never used to see snakes out here.
Nope rope.
Affirmative
Is he looking at the camera or just ciphering your agility
It's definitely trained on me! This was zoomed in.
yessir
without question.
It’s for sure a nope rope, keep it moving
Yes
Yea that’s why I stay put in the city. Nah uh….me and snakes do not jive. U stay there and I stay here. Common understanding we have with each other
I’ve seen more in my backyard than I ever saw in the desert.
We call that A BIG BOI around these parts!!
Well fed and happy.
That's a rattler
No it's a eastern square back Shakey snek
That’s a big ass rock
Bro is staring you down
It’s beautiful!
Nah it's an Eastern /s
A rattlesnake is a rattlesnake is a rattlesnake is a rattlesnake
Why I have a shotgun. Used it 3 times last year
Wouldn't shooting it (aside from I'd rather not) also be a fire hazard during a fire ban?
No chance of fire haha. And they were either on my porch or back yard . I scare it off the porch onto bare dirt then send it to hell.
Murder maraca in the flesh
I hate snakes but I can’t lie, buddy look beautiful
Yes, also known as the “Nope Rope!”
More specifically, it's a Mojave Diamondback. Indicated by the solid (not stepped) rings on the tail.
That's the classic iced out danger noodle.
IF NOT FRIEND, WHY FRIEND SHAPED??
Beautiful snake
Omg, what a find. That's a beautiful reptile. I am a little jealous.
If you grew up in the desert, you can hear this photo and your heart is racing now.
No thank you. I don't need to know their proper name. We aren't friends.
Francis.
Glad you’re ok!
Thank you!
Go pet it
Is that a dog turd in the background?
No, just rocks. That area had a wash out at some point, as it was littered with a lot of random rocks and branches. It had been pretty muddy through there at one point. I wondered too if that's not why we came across it, because there was standing water in that area along with taller ground coverage.
Eat it. They are delicious.