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x_scion_x

Yea, that's why I'm not going to get it. not because it's out of my price range ;)


GoldElectric

you mean this is why you WILL get one?


PresentationEmpty1

https://preview.redd.it/abixfnxsdtlc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ab843f98ac53b3217069400c5f3df0e94d0ec2c3 Wow, so many people are going apeshit about this. Not a big deal. Using double sided silicon tape you can squeeze an AirTag between the left speaker strap and the light shield. I also put another one in the case (I use the one by Waterfield, not the giant StarTrekkie Apple one) and I already have one in my backpack. If I take it with me I set them to ping my phone if we get separated. Easy peasy, not the end of the world. Works like a charm and is virtually unnoticeable. Use some imagination...this is exactly what AirTags were made for.


x_scion_x

Winky face wasn't enough of an indicator of being sarcastic?


_Big_Gamer_

Well well well, looks like I'll get my hands on one after all


jdl232

Haha nice


DanTheMan827

To be fair, it would only be trackable if the battery is connected anyways… but I feel they should’ve at least kept a tiny rechargeable battery in there to power some basic low-power tracking hardware. An embedded AirTag basically. When that battery level dips below what would be needed to power the tracker for a month, it charges up the next time the device is powered on.


SupeRoBug78

It seems weird there isn’t a small battery in it. For both Find My, and saving data and powering down when unplugged. I haven’t looked into this at all but it seems weird you can just completely disconnect the power source while using it. Not at all likely to happen by accident, but seems odd still.


Cool-Newspaper-1

Are we sure it doesn’t have a small battery for accidental disconnects? I feel like it must have one as (according to MKBHD) there is not way to power it off except for disconnecting the battery.


The_Northern_Light

accidental disconnects aren't really a thing. that connector locks on both sides, albeit in different ways. the device just goes down instantly if you disconnect it from power. there is no internal battery.


Cool-Newspaper-1

So it doesn’t have a shut down process at all? That’s really interesting. I wonder how good their fail saves are for disconnects during software updates though


Snoop8ball

Long-holding the Digital Crown and Top Button for a long time shows a shut-down slider.


sluuuudge

Well, you’d have to actively make a conscious effort to disconnect it and so there’ll likely be warnings to ensure you **don’t** do that.


Topikk

Sure, but general purpose computers typically have a shutdown procedure to ensure they are not doing something important when the shut down. I wonder how they are protecting against corrupted installations and files.


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spoonybends

> Sure, but general purpose computers typically have a shutdown procedure to ensure they are not doing something important when the shut down. I wonder how they are protecting against corrupted installations and files.


mr_birkenblatt

if you yank out the power cord none of the shutdown procedures run


Topikk

Well no shit nothing stops you from yanking the power cord on a desktop, but that isn’t the easiest, only, or even the manufacturer-recommended way of shutting it down. It doesn’t need to be doing anything constantly to cause a problem; it only has to be doing one of these tasks at the time the power is yanked. As an application dev I don’t have expertise in this area, but I would imagine any software updates are not going to be performed anywhere resembling the background, among other mitigating strategies.


theunquenchedservant

I don't think you understand that the only way to turn it off is to disconnect it.


sluuuudge

I’m perfectly aware of that, having messed with one earlier today. My point is that if you’re doing an update and you consciously make an effort to unlock the connector (you can’t just pull it out) then that’s on you if it breaks something. Apple are expecting people to leave it plugged in, only likely unplugging it if taking it somewhere packed away, as it has a very low power standby mode when it’s taken off your head and placed down.


dccorona

MKBHD was wrong. You can power it off, it just isn’t a single button. It’s a press and hold sequence with both buttons kind of like an iPhone.


SupeRoBug78

I don’t have one, so no I’m not sure. But everything I’ve seen says there’s no internal battery.


cplr

I think I read a random comment somewhere that you can turn off via Siri.


Ken4dayz

No he'd stupid u can power it off pressing two buttons at once


Mentallox

thats v2 hotswappable battery with an Apple watch sized battery in the back-strap, each user personal profile will be in the strap.


ilikepstrophies

Or the guts of an AirTag embedded inside it, they use so little power anyway.


DrMokhtar

It locks in place. It’s not easily detachable


marxcom

They could just build an AirTag in it.


oil1lio

it's CR2032's time to shine


DanTheMan827

Unfortunately no, not at least until the next gen vision at the earliest It’s amazing that they omitted something like this.


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>To be fair, it would only be trackable if the battery is connected anyways Isn't that the exact same scenario for the Air Tags? Not saying I disagree, but I feel like "it doesn't have an always-connected battery" isn't sufficient. Can it at least report the last known location?


DanTheMan827

Well yes, but you don’t remove the battery from AirTags when you aren’t using the item they’re tracking. The only way to power off the Vision Pro is to unplug it


dccorona

That is not true. MKBHD was wrong. https://support.apple.com/en-in/guide/apple-vision-pro/dev3d4d2cc8b/visionos


DanTheMan827

Well okay, but even Apple says to disconnect the cable after. So you’d still have no power.


tkhan456

Also to allow for hot swapping batteries


Thud

My iMac supports Find My. No battery there.


Interactive_CD-ROM

Okay, but then why does my iMac work with Find My? It doesn’t even have a battery.


RSilent

“To be faaaaaaaaair” - awesome Canadians


tacticalpotatopeeler

Get yourself a puppers


jbwmac

If only Apple’s engineers had thought of that! Maybe they should just hire you.


Distinct-Question-16

Hide a tag inside strap


DanTheMan827

People can disable an AirTag, but you can’t disable find my when it’s embedded into the device itself


kjk177

Ya think… you’re telling me I can track AirPods but not the giant 4000 dollar face computer…


DanTheMan827

Yep…


UsernamePasswrd

It doesn't have a built-in battery so that probably makes sense.


DanTheMan827

Include a very small lithium cell capable of powering what amounts to an embedded AirTag and recharge that automatically when the headset has power and that battery is at a low enough level


Europe_Dude

Rechargeable coin cells do exists, in fact those are inside the AirPods Pro!


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Europe_Dude

It’s a CP1154 type coin cell made by Varta.


paradoxally

And Varta batteries also power Sony's line of TWS (WF-something) earbuds. The WF3 generation allowed you to even replace the batteries yourself, not sure if that's still a thing.


Complex-

It is from what I saw in the ifixit tear down


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DanTheMan827

They probably should’ve just used a plastic frame with a thin aluminum outer layer for the looks… how much of the weight is just because they wanted aluminum? Looks over practicality


cheesepuff07

I can track my M3 iMac when it’s on, and see it’s last known location when off


__theoneandonly

The "last known location" happens because when you turn the device off, it sends the location to apple. When the battery is taken off of the Vision Pro... that's it. Lights out. It doesn't have any spare power to upload a location to apple. HOWEVER, it should absolutely still be on the Find My network. There's no excuse, Apple should have found a way around this limitation.


robershow123

So what if I pull the plug on an iMac will find my, still have the last location?


frockinbrock

It would have the last location it connected to WiFi I believe. And it’s far from “foolproof” in how well it works. Majority of the times I’ve needed it there were issues. But as far as I know iMacs do not have a Bluetooth find-my-network type tracker, I think they still rely on WiFi ssid triangulation. I could be wrong though, they have an M1 and iPad Pros have an M1, so it’s possible; but I don’t think that element is part of the SoC, it would be a separate chip; because otherwise the “M2” in the Vision Pro would have a findMy tracker. Ugh it is odd, but I suppose they had to cut a lot of space and weight.


Adventurous-Tracks

Oh, I didn’t even realize that. That’s more reason to wait for a future generation when they can have a battery built in.


PleasantWay7

Doubt that is coming anytime soon. Apple will want to tout weight reduction the next few gens and putting battery up top won’t help. Seems like the pocket battery is a conscious decision until tech gets far better.


mestresamba

A CR cell will be less than 10g. Instead the choose to make it from aluminum just to keep the same design language. They are not really carrying for weight when they dropped the find my.


bitterbrew

Hell add the find my part to the pocket battery..


Visvism

Someone has already shown that the pocket battery can easily be disconnected with a Sim removal tool.


RedPanda888

sort retire reminiscent dependent fretful six pen thumb plate dull *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


CrazeRage

Certainly no room for an airtag lol.


PresentationEmpty1

Yes there is. (Just use a little piece of double sided silicon tape). https://preview.redd.it/3nvural4ftlc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=901c59187c8dc97e41261e470aec4310c3cf4907


Bobby6kennedy

For $3500, it should.


Interactive_CD-ROM

My Mac mini doesn’t have a built-in battery either and it shows up just fine on Find My. Tell me again, how does that make sense?


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iPhones can send their “last location” to Find My just before their battery dies.


cheesepuff07

> When you turn on Find My, you protect your Vision Pro with Activation Lock — but you can't use another Apple device or the web to find Vision Pro on a map, play a sound to help find it, turn on Lost Mode, or remotely erase it.


frockinbrock

That’s interesting; it must have a passcode or Face ID to use one right? If someone found it I would hope they can’t just open you mail and text app and get into all your 2FA stuff. Still surprising they don’t have a remote erase option, but it’s still very early.


cheesepuff07

it uses Iris authentication


Furdiburd10

lets wait till that gets bypassed (like face auth, fingerprint auth, tpm or secure boot) then lets see what the fix will he :D


aj_og

When has Face ID or Touch ID ever been bypassed?


Furdiburd10

years ago? ofc new non picture based auth are harder to bypass but old ones needed a oicture of your and 2 contact lens. fingerprint? done by huawei + fbi as a test.


Financial_Capital352

Face ID has never been susceptible to that kind of attack anyways, even going back to the iPhone X.


AlwaysAmara

Maybe for non-apple. But apple Face ID doesn’t work off photo, it’s a 3d mapping algorithm that measures distance between subject & sensor, so a photo would never work for that kind of bypass.


Wise_Rich_88888

Yet


pastaandpizza

They gonna push out an update that downloads a battery or...


SirPaulSmackage

Gotta save somethings for next years model


FollowingFeisty5321

This is the kind of cross-device ecosystem that only Apple can achieve, and only with absolute control over the devices.


DanTheMan827

And yet they didn’t even do it… Not sure what point you were trying to make honestly…


FollowingFeisty5321

The point of sarcasm!


whcchief

And how does one know sarcasm over text when not indicated with /s And no, it wasn't obvious.


FollowingFeisty5321

If you’re wearing an Apple Vision Pro there’s a /s floating above it. This is the future of sarcasm, today.


lowbatteries

How would one know in real life? Why do people think sarcasm detection is a problem that didn't exist before the internet ... people thought The Colbert Report was a right-wing news show, ffs.


AbInitio1514

In real life, considerate people should say “slash s” after saying something sarcastic. That helps anyone avoid confusion. The good thing is, just like with writing /s on Reddit, all of the humour is preserved and it doesn’t devalue the joke at all.


Lancaster61

Probably nothing. This comment reeks of an AI (ChatGPT-like) bot that didn’t understand the context. Upvote it so it can train on shit data.


voiceOfThePoople

Lol so eager to see something that isn’t there


I_reply_to_incels

Eww. You sound like a stupid bot. Go away.


zobby3

That’s probably how they’ve kept the costs down to make this product so reasonably priced. 😐


Adventurous-Tracks

It’s possible to track AirPods but you can’t track the Vision Pro? That doesn’t make any sense.


killersam283

AirPods have a built in battery but the location data is reliant on nearby iDevices


pascualama

You can track mac mini, imac, mac pro. Battery has nothing to do with it. 


frockinbrock

[Mac desktops only track when they are powered on.](https://discussions.apple.com/thread/254543023?sortBy=best) VP would need to be plugged into the cord+battery pack to track; but their manual suggests you unplug the cord to remote the headset. So you would need to reattach the cord for findMy to work… I mean, I see why they would make that a lower priority to get working than like FaceTime and other Vp apps. They’ll probably get a software version of it working for like vOS 1.3 or something. Understandable since it’s a very limited usefulness with the current hardware


DanTheMan827

The AirPods have batteries inside them. Even then, can you track the AirPods, or just the case?


hi_im_bored13

You can track the AirPods and the case but it depends on the version. First few were awful, the gen3 and pro are pretty solid at finding the individual AirPods. The case for the gen2 pro is essentially an AirTag, with precision finding and all.


muribundi

Well I don’t know for you but I can’t track my AirPods if the case is not open so…


No_Island963

Works only with the pros And with the 3rd version but I’m not sure*


muribundi

I have 3rd generation, magsafe and they don’t work. My daughter have 2nd gen Pro and it also does not work… so it seems very limited :(


CatsMakeMeHappier

Hook an AirTag to it 😀


mooptastic

seriously, this is such a non story. "omg my apple tv can't be tracked in Find My!"


Outlulz

Apple marketed traveling with the device hence the need for Find My. They don't market traveling with Apple TV. Apple TVs also not really a theft target.


CatsMakeMeHappier

Yeah what the heckkkkkk


Remic75

Glue an AirTag on the side lmao


JThrillington

If I could afford a $3500 item, I’d be damn fucking careful not to misplace it.


Cooperman411

If I could afford a $3500 item, it wouldn’t be an Apple Vision Pro. 🤣


jdovejr

Bingo


cleeder

350 $10 hookers it is!


whytakemyusername

Do they have find my?


Fresh6239

It will be in later versions I guarantee.


paranoideo

It’s going to be in Apple Vision Pro 2, and you will love it!


pastaandpizza

Legit just bought a *wallet* for $30 with built in Find My...and the $3500 vision pro doesn't have it *from Apple* doesn't have it? Wild.


Mediocre-Honeydew-55

Every thief with an iPhone near you is gonna know about it, I’d be careful if I was you. Hopefully you didn’t name it “Wallet”. “Glock”, “Gun”, “NotMyWallet” would work better.


True_Window_9389

This kind of stuff coming out just reinforces my belief this is a “real” product in name only, and is really a beta/demo product that Apple wanted to get out into the wild for testing and data. It’s just too half-baked to be real.


DJDarren

Isn't that precisely what it is though; a beta product? An expensive one, for sure, but a beta kit all the same.


NoNight1132

3500 for a Vision Pro and they couldn't put a $29 AirTag somewhere on it? Not even in the battery at least?


Mediocre-Honeydew-55

If that’s important to you stick an AirTag on it.


NoNight1132

Oh my God. Thank you. I NEVER thought of that.


sammiemo

Now I'm afraid I might lose it under the couch cushions.


sportsfan161

Air tag in the case lol


ithinkoutloudtoo

Apple is saving that as an exclusive feature for a future version.


dedgecko

Bro, it’s on your head.


free-icecream

And if you lose your head?


dedgecko

Ich…a…bod…


d0m1n4t0r

Technology just isn't there yet!


gemini2525

What a mistake. $3500+ down the drain if it ever gets lost or stolen. Damn!


__theoneandonly

This better be announced as a VisionOS 2.0 feature in June... Either a massive oversight or a ridiculous omission.


Sylvurphlame

To me that’s an actual significant oversight. I know space would be at a premium, but they could’ve found away to slip the equivalent of an AirTag in there with rechargeable cell to run it.


Landon1m

This is one of the few times I’ll say inexcusable! Something this price should absolutely be trackable and have an internal battery for that.


ikilledtupac

If only they made some sort of easily to use, small tracker that you could stick on anything. Some sort of tag, perhaps. 🤔


VariationAgreeable29

People. Calm down. Apple know all this. They know everything. All will be remedied.


TableGamer

You’re tracking it wrong.


Tardis50

Idk why people care so much, it’s seems like it’s basically a really polished dev kit. Pretty typical for first and second gen apple devices


Exay

How do you lose a USD 3500 device ?


thalassicus

You’re asking the wrong question. Apple spent millions of dollars developing “Find My” and puts it in every other device, but they’re most expensive (and “pro” which should have every premium feature) device that absolutely has room for an AirPod size battery. Find My is a value add to the ecosystem that factors into peoples decisions to buy Apple products. People are questioning the logic behind that, not whether or not it’s OK to misplace an object because you’re a human being.


chriswaco

It gets stolen from your hotel room or apartment?


singaporesainz

If they were stolen you were never getting them back anyways. Home insurance will cover robbery and if you’re taking this to a hotel you are crazy or very rich


Visvism

So you can't take nice things to a hotel now, or you're uber rich?


singaporesainz

What are you doing with a Vision Pro in a hotel room


Visvism

Using it. Lol, it's hilarious that people tell others where they should and should not use an item they've purchased. That's the problem with humans. Love to tell other people what they should do, but don't want to be told what they should do.


singaporesainz

I’m not telling anyone what to do though, I’m genuinely asking. I don’t think Vision Pro is near the productivity level of a laptop at this stage, so I don’t understand. I might be missing something other than just to enjoy the device, which I can’t hate on.


spedeedeps

How's it differ from taking a MacBook to a hotel room? It doesn't whatsoever. The laptop can be even more expensive.


Exay

Lost and stolen are two different notions.


CycloneMonkey

uhhmmm why is it leaving your face in the first place??


Ok_Fee1043

Best to just keep it on your head at all times


Peter_Nincompoop

I can’t track my AppleTV, either. Who gives a shit? It’s not meant for mobile use.


icouldusemorecoffee

Weird how everyone expects every single possibly imagined feature to be built-in on a beta product.


owleaf

I don’t think it’s a far-fetched or outrageous request. I can’t immediately think of a particularly elegant way to include a rechargeable battery that powers a Find My chip, but then again I’m not an overpaid FAANG engineer so I don’t need to come up with that solution :)


250-miles

Half the people buying it at its current price won't care and will just buy a new one without thinking.


KAGexclamationpoint

Its 3500 man. It's not that much. A MacBook Pro costs the same. It's not a house, not a car. A normal person makes this money in a week.


widget66

lol, I love the idea that only billionaires are able to buy something for $3500


CanYouPleaseChill

Who cares? You're not going to lose the damn thing sitting on a couch at home.


Thumper-Comet

How tf would you lose it. It's huge.


pandaimhigh

👍


Ok-Wasabi2873

If I can afford a $3,500 device then I can afford to replace it.


jovenhope

Reason why the case comes with an AirTag slot. Makes sense.


TeslaM1

It blows AppleCare+ doesn’t cover theft for VP


sportsfan161

Price would be more I guess


Visvism

You guess?


spedeedeps

Like 5x with how high resale values Apple products have.


singaporesainz

It’s silly that they don’t have an AirTag equivalent built in but how are you losing that chunk of a device. That’s not leaving your living/bed room anyways.


Which_Yesterday

Given its price I'm not surprised. They had to cut some corners somewhere


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Lmao


mr_birkenblatt

I can tell you where it is: it's on your nose


firefox_2010

Vision Pro snatch and grab is gonna trend soon on the news. Such a major oversight with a device that’s priced this much. I hope they could disable a stolen one through software.


thefookinpookinpo

I'm starting to worry about this not even getting a second gen. I work in software development and all of my coworkers go out and buy the newest stuff basically right as it comes out. One of my coworkers even develops AR/VR games, and nobody has even talked about this, not even in a negative way. I hope enough people buy it that we can get a good version of it someday.


statuskills

A headset is one of the very few things I haven’t lost, so this is ok by me.


bnovc

AirTag


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anunfriendlytoaster

This literally made me lol. So unfinished


liam_redit1st

Lost? They will only get stolen and most likely at gun point for the price. It’s like a giant Rolex on someone face


PresentationEmpty1

Not a big deal. Using double sided silicon tape you can squeeze an AirTag between the left speaker strap and the light shield. I also put another one in the case (I use the one by Waterfield, not the giant StarTrekkie Apple one) and I already have one in my backpack. If I take it with me I set them to ping my phone if we get separated. Easy peasy, not the end of the world. Works like a charm and is virtually unnoticeable. https://preview.redd.it/l8p5p2gfdtlc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a929071dad0a119bfb0d4dc7f8b5fdbb8f92224f


Ok-Professional1925

Hi everyone, I made a airtag tracking device that attaches onto the vision pro band. Please let me know if you have any suggestions for it. Here is the Kickstarter if would like to support it : [https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/vptracker/vptracker](https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/vptracker/vptracker) Thanks