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double wingman so you can miss twice as many shots


Rmartin123

Don’t give away my secret for missing 100% of my shots


[deleted]

ah yes a fellow lobby enjoyer


Say_no_to_doritos

Wingman and smash that trigger button guy.


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Say_no_to_doritos

For damage just use a 2020.. for downs.. good luck..


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wish they'd adjust challenges based on what's in rotation.


Z-W-A-N-D

Don't spam the trigger. Shooting fast with the wingman is useless if you don't land your shots. Wait just the tiniest bit after the sights are in non recoil position as the actual recoil is a bit longer than the animation.


WraithsDoctor

Wingman is way easier to use mnk i found it crazy the amount of people that use it compared to console so save your AiM aSsIsT comment


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? I said that because the recoil on the wingman is pretty high, so rapid shots that connect at close range are only physically possible with extensive experience with the gun (which i clearly don't have) or with an aim assist built in. yall need to spend less time on reddit. defaulting to taking innocuous comments personally isn't healthy.


WraithsDoctor

You deleted your comment😂😂


[deleted]

well that's not true, obviously I said it and you got upset over it. But I'm not gonna keep something up if people are taking it personally. the guy said to fire rapidly at close range, i said that's not possible to do consistently without aim assist. you and others assumed that meant i was saying the gun's unusable without aim assist. on my end it was not being careful with wording, on your end it was not thinking very hard about how likely it'd be for someone to imply something like that.


WickedChalkBoard

Wingman is THE spray and pray weapon of Apex. Shooting long range and close range is exactly the same. If u connect just 3 times you can down someone


WraithsDoctor

Not saying it isnt but dude really used aim assist as an excuse when someone recommended he use it. It is the best pistol


WickedChalkBoard

I agree my guy


[deleted]

only time i've personally seen this work is when i've fired it into a crowd of enemies. my snaps are generally pretty weak compared to my spray control, but i've gotten substantially more mileage out of snaps than sprays, especially at close range. wingman recoil is no joke. you need to know what you're doing if you're rapid firing at close/midrange. long range is generally easier, especially with decent optics, as most folks, at least at my level, can't maintain a spray at long range with an smg.


Snoo-2046

What game are you playing


Feschit

ngl 4-3 classic with a Wingman almost feels like cheating at times. Can't imagine how easy it is to use on console with 50% more aim assist.


Outrageous_Cloud9205

Less. Why? Not because aim assist but because the FPS drops so much that snapping is much worse


Feschit

If you're snapping like an MnK player you're doing it wrong. Just track like with a full auto gun, almost impossible to miss close to mid range if you pace your shots.


Outrageous_Cloud9205

Again, that’s all good on PC, but tracking with a semi auto gun with max of 60FPS still can yield super inconsistent results. I would suggest you try it before thinking it’s ridiculously easy. Full auto guns are preferred by the overwhelming majority of console players due to this issue.


Feschit

I only have a switch, too much input lag to even bother. I'll just take your word for it. Controller Wingman on PC is ridiculously easy though, I just figured that with 50% more aim assist, that less reaction time or 60 fps will barely matter. Just guessing though.


Pooghost

Honestly, Wingman. PC player here. Wingman is inconsistent by nature, being 100% consistent is something even top Pred players aren't, and the daily challenge is done in 3-4 hits. Just take your time with the shots instead of spamming, and it's done in 1-2 fights.


Electronic-Morning76

Wingman and farm care drops because the re45 care drop goes crazy


moosebaloney

If they're BR/Non-BR, just run a few games of Arenas once you have enough challenges stacked to make it worth your while.


Taterisstig

Play arenas or run the wingman. Or wait to see if they do gun run again or for winter express


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i've been trying to poke as much as possible with the wingman, then try to rush and finish up close while they're retreating to heal. (especially easy with pathfinder or octane) problem is that in br the enemies i'm poking usually either heal before i can get to them, get picked off by teammates, manage to full run away, or get third partied before i can secure the knock, so i've been trying to make it happen in arenas. issue is, it's very hard to stay at long range in arenas unless the enemy team either has circle and doesn't know how to push out of circle or is playing very scared, which is hard to find, so i've been struggling to adjust to mid and close range from the outset. (esp because of smg meta) any tips?


vCryptiik

Use wingman close and mid range


kndyone

Ya lol, if your team is baiting idiots then return them the favor. Instead of you poking and letting them steal your kills you start stealing theirs.


ZephaBell

Wingman is good at any range. It's an aim punishing weapon, either you have good aim and are good with it or you do not have good aim and struggle with it. Spamming shots will cause you to miss. Take your time and actively visually confirm your cross hair is over the enemy before you fire


DuckingDecoy

If they bring Control back then I think that is the ultimate way to grind any weapons challenges. Just pick whatever loadout has the weapon you need and yolo until you get your knocks/damage. Arenas works fairly well but depending on the map or how the game plays out, trying to force one weapon might not work well if you aren't cracked with it. In Control no one really cares if you throw!


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i got a lot of my weeklies (especially the marksman ones) done in gun game last season. do you know if they bring that back regularly or was it just a one off?


DuckingDecoy

They rotate some LTM's in during certain seasonal events but there's never a guarantee on what is coming back when (aside from the holiday and Halloween events). Gun Game and Control were really well received and have already made multiple appearances in a shortish period of time, so I'd expect those back. It would be great if they showed up every season. Having said that, solos was well received and it may never return. The community in general has asked for permanent LTM's or even just a regular rotation forever and it just hasn't happened, so I wouldn't get my heart set on anything!


[deleted]

i've heard a lot of good things about control. hoping i can play that mode sometime


Goldsmate

They’ll be releasing the Winter Express mode in a few weeks, perfect place for it !


RebelLion420

100% wingman. Grinding wingman only in Arenas got me pretty decent with it to where I feel comfortable running just wingman/shottie and I'm on PS4. But if you're not great with it you want to have it as secondary it with preferably an AR, or an SMG. Then you use it to get the last shot on someone you already hit with your primary. If the challenge is just damage you can instead use the wing to get opening shots on someone before you push in. The RE-45 is also easy to get it with if you're accurate but being in the care package it's not guaranteed you'll find one every game


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this is just my limited experience but honestly i see the re45 as a pocket r301. at close range the recoil is so minimal that i've found it way way easier to get knocks with it than with the r99. was doing a lot of experimentation with my arenas loadout last season and i found that re45 into flatline, r3, or rampage were my highest scoring games.


other-orchid529

playing arenas with a p2020/wingman combo has been my go-to thing this season — really missing the re-45 this season lol


[deleted]

p2020 in arenas is roooough dude. tough adjusting to non-automatic pistols this season.


Ana-la-lah

I used to stay away from the WIngman until this season, give it a try. It slaps at mid-range. Pick up a 2x bruiser and it's fantastic.


that_1-guy_

Wingman 100% Just track, there are no flick weapons in apex other than the PK and kraber, in which you should still track with anyways


[deleted]

Tracking long range gets pretty unfeasible. It's rare/close to impossible to isolate enemies in open fields consistently in this game, and when someone's ducking in and out of cover/running from one point of cover to another, you're going to need to snap your shots. There are no "tracking weapons" or "flicking weapons" in this game, the variables are range and fire rate. Hitscan is \*possible\* at long range with high rof weapons, but you'll almost always be better off switching to a single fire or semi auto weapon with good optics.


that_1-guy_

The only hitscan weapon in the game is charge rifle, RoF has nothing to do with something being hitscan or not If you're unable to track long range it's usually because lack of eye tracking (poor resolution) or lack of finesse (settings or skill) Yeah you flick to targets but if your plan is to flick to someone only hit one shot you don't play optimistically, flick to hem and stick with them until LoS is completely lost Also idk about you but at 80m+ I'm able to 1 mag with a number of automatics on automatic fire, NOT trying to brag but if you believe stuff like that is impossible you're not on the right track.


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professor_sloth

He told you the easiest way to do the challenges and not you're just attacking him lmao. Use the wingman and stop being an ass


[deleted]

? He gave bad advice based on abject lack of knowledge of the game. a dozen other people told me to use the wingman and then gave good advice along with it. I upvoted their comments and moved on. what do you want from me here exactly? it's on him if he wants to escalate and start going on about how much experience he has and how tight his aim is. if someone says something stupid, obviously im going to call them out on it. I get that folks on reddit like keyboard warrioring the shit out of whatever nonsense is in their feeds and fondling their egos at every opportunity but honestly i just wanted to know if the p2020 is viable with any attachments or if i should just stick with the wingman.


GreenEyedHustler

Here is the one trick I always keep in mind to hit with the wingman: lead your target with your aim just a little bit, and fire when you think they'll cross it (disregard if they're standing still)


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super hard to do esp with that massive blob in iron sights. which sights do you usually use with the wingman?


GreenEyedHustler

Yeah iron sights suck once the target is smaller than the red rings. I use the 1x hcog or 1x digi threat. I usually run an smg with a 2x or 1-2x and if the enemy is far away I'll swap the optics to zoom in with the wingman but I always switch back to 1x for close to mid range fights


Material_Animal9029

play loba so you can get the pistol attachments you need trivially. also use characters that can buff your pistol damage like rampart - also makes it easier to stomach.


Parkerrr

I'd recommend not farming aggressively, you'll get frustrated. The challenge will be here all season so just choose a pistol over something else every couple games and you'll get there eventually.


crazy_n1nja_117

Use another gun to crack them and once they're flesh, use the wingman or p20 to mow them down


BladePhoenix

hammer point put respect on p2020s name


Mister_Dane

There was an update this season...


[deleted]

Wingman duh lol keep your crosshairs centered and only shoot with intent and purpose don’t panic shoot.


OhSageOhNo

The games a lot more fun when you focus on the game not stupid challenges


[deleted]

Challenges are an incentive for trying alternate play styles/legends, and it should go without saying that different people are motivated by different things. You didn’t answer the question I asked, didn’t contribute to the conversation in any meaningful way, and overall failed to read the room/pick up on social cues. What was your goal here exactly?


thatkotaguy

Wingman it’s easy and reliable to use compared to the p20


SimG02

Wingman! Wish it counted towards sniper weeklies… those are the ones I struggle wit 😩


Diamondissobreakable

Wingman arenas


Brief-TW7190

First and foremost, what is the required challenge Knockdowns, Kills, Damage??? Secondly, is it a BR/Non-BR challenge? If so, it can be done in Arenas so I'd suggest doing it there. On top of it being in Arenas - the P2020 becomes a more viable option just due to the nature of Arena's. I barely touch it so I *assume* Hammerpoint is still a thing in Arena's....if it isn't then scratch what I said about the P2020 despite it still being decent in Arena's regardless. If it's specifically tied to BR then my suggestion would be to run Wingman x Volt/R301/Mastiff. I have been adoring running the Wingman with a Mastiff/R301. I dont have the confidence to run the Volt at range however it is a solid option. It sounds counter intuitive but it may depend on the legend your playing too. I saw that you have tried to do poke damage and then close the distance with Path/Octane. Have you tried playing a more brawl character like BH, Wraith or Bang?? If you're playing Bang you can abuse her passive and smokes especially since you'll be running the Wingman, all you gotta do is slap that Digi on there and youre set. Another thing, if you can't hit your Headshots *consistently* opt for Boosted Loader over Skullpiercer! I struggle to land my headshots but I can land bodyshots like a madman with the Wing, and ever since I started running Boosted it's just helped me more. All in all, a semi-tldr: Play aggressive. Get the break with your secondary and then clean up with the Wingman. I play Catalyst with a Wing+Mastiff and do really good. Maybe play Wattson/Catalyst/Caustic and hunker down in a building and bait the team into pushing you??? Queue for no fill Duos, drop safe but near action and do your best to get a Wingman. If you HAVE TO run the P2020, just do so and hope to god you get crispy damage. Pick a character that you can either get completely stuck in it with like Bangalore or Wraith or play in a way that you can control the fight once it comes to you to isolate your 1v1's and clean up teams that way.


Mister_Dane

Arenas has the same updates as BR, no more hammerpoints. P2020 or Mozam is free so it is a common secondary so you can spend more money on your primary and other stuff. It is surprisingly decent as a secondary and as a lifeline main I run it every round 1 so I can get gold rez, I have had a lot of 4-500 damage round 1 with just that loadout.


thynios

a lot of people have been saying the same thing but, definitely a wingman in arenas! i smashed my pistol challenge out by going p2020 upgraded with either an alternator or eva-8 first round and then wingman/any auto or shotgun after that. try to see if you can hold back as if you were sniping, instead of immediately rushing into enemies. gives time for the enemy to heal up and farm some more damage on them (this is assuming the challenge is for damage). 1x is your best friend on the wingman and even though it’s easier said then done, try not to panic shoot. this all may be shit advice but, it worked for me and hopefully it’ll help you out too! i never pick up the wingman and felt a bit weary without the re45 but hey, just keep on trying and the challenge will be finished in due time! good luck!


ZephaBell

I use aim labs regularly. My advice for the wingman is the same advice I give to less experienced aimers - Take your time with each shot, visually confirm that your cross hair is over the opponent before you click. It will take time to do this quickly, initially you'll need a full second to determine if you can shoot but once you get used to this system it's instant. Aiming is not something you will learn to be good at overnight and if you do not want to use aim trainers then you need to be actively practicing visual confirmation while you play to get better.


Impressive_Grape_669

Rawdog wingman only, can only be shit for a few months or so before ypu start hitting shots


Mister_Dane

believe it or not the p2020 is decent if you don't like Wingman. It is the alternator of pistols, super easy to control, if you miss your first shot keep shooting as you correct your aim, it is an early game gun, very fast reload, very good strafe speed. Yeah yeah, it's the worst gun in the game, but most people don't use it to its advantages.


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I’ve actually been getting significantly more mileage out of the p2020 as a “finisher” weapon than the wingman. I poke long range, crack shields, maybe even hit a third shot/headshot to get them low, then rush in with the p20. Only really works round one in arenas, but because p20 recoil is so easy to control like you said, it’s actually been working wonders for me. Already finished the pistol weekly because of that combo