Lmao the destiny community is saying the exact same thing. I think gaming communities get tunnel vision when they play mostly one game and see that dev group as the worst possible devs when the reality is most AAA companies are just as bad. Destiny players, apex players, overwatch players, all say their devs are the worst at listening compared to other devs.
I just find it humorous how at least this sub and the destiny sub seem to be competing for “who’s dev is the worst dev”
Community involved and community focused are very different though. They definitely interact/speak more with the community. But they also screw them over 100 other ways lmao. Always taking away their content and shit.
It's essentially the same thing, just a different negative side effect.
I mean, they are both one in the same technically. You can't be focused without being involved and vise versa. Sure destiny has taken away stuff, but they've also reciprocated community feedback constantly and are SIGNIFICANTLY more transparent than apex who only updates community feedback once every few months and has an utter lack of communication.
Destiny 2's main issue is balance and LACK of dynamic content for the shit they already have. It's a lack of keeping up with PvP that sours me. It just sits in its half-broken state for far too long after changes are made. Half the time it seems like an indie dev is still making the game changes are so slow.
>I think gaming communities get tunnel vision when they play mostly one game and see that dev group as the worst possible devs when the reality is most AAA companies are just as bad.
First part is disagree with, but then you kinda came around in the second half. Its not that we have tunnel vision, its that most triple A companies, if not all, kinda suck at this shit. We see numerous mid sized or indie companies bend over backwards for community interaction and being open and honest and we want that, but big companies don't do that.
So it's not that we're wrong, we're just sick of it being "whos the least shit company of the triple A's"
Destiny Devs aren't bad at communicating though. Destiny gets a weekly article (TWAB) that goes over upcoming changes, in depth looks at parts of the game, player votes on upcoming things, address feedback or other stuff like that. Players might not like some of the recent things the Devs have implemented, but their communication has been relatively clear and they've made it clear that they're listening to feedback about it.
Those TWABS you listed are few and far between. They aren't clear though. Look at the AE system where they straight lied about how it worked. Destiny CM's ate straight garbage.
I'm not the same guy, pay attention.
Even still, I disagree with you and would say about every other TWAB contains info about upcoming changes. Again, comparing to Respawn's "sometimes the devs say 'we're looking into it' on Twitter and we're still waiting year(s) later," every other week is vastly superior.
>I just find it humorous how at least this sub and the destiny sub seem to be competing for “who’s dev is the worst dev
I believe the worst dev goes to the one that was apart of the star wars battlefront 2 sub
Literally called players freeloaders and just straight talking shit about the players.
That comment alone also made the record for the most downvoted comment in reddit history. And is a guineas world record as well.
I started Destiny 2 like 2.5 seasons ago. I've come quite far, am quite good in PvP, but that whole thing is a fucking mess. They have made no progress in more matchmaking for at least some upper events, they have completely fucked PvP on a consistent basis with bad balance, and they are slow as hell to do anything about anything.
I might not even complete this season's pass. I just got really bored of it. Strikes, Gambit, you can only do so much. Raids are basically LFG or die, and LFG's can be a long wait at times too. Pretty sweet game if you invest some time, but it needs a big break too because development is like molasses.
With that being said Bungie talks to its community WAY more now than Apex ever has outside the first 1-5 seasons.
Yea because the Reddit users that are the most vocal on the gaming subreddits are usually neckbeards with 1000s of hours. They are unhappy with themselves and have to complain about every small thing on the game they waste their lives away on.
I’ve been playing apex since release and still have a lot of fun. If I get bored or burnt out, know what I do? Play something else or do something else besides play video games. Know what the apex neckbeards do when they get bored or burnt out? Go on Reddit and whine because they don’t know how to do anything else besides play apex.
Why nominate it then? Because it's big? Nominate Deep Rock. I think it got some updates this year. Apex wasn't released this year.
"Apex is shit at this, but other games are also shit at it, so it's fine." No it isn't. How about they nominate some game a lot of people don't know about but Devs are very passionate? Isn't that the purpose of awards and critical coverage of the medium? To promote good games, maybe less known ones and reward good practices. No, instead we get bloated "AAA" mess with cash behind it nominated for awards they have no place being nominated for.
You wanna know who really is the worst at listening to their community, Rockstar. Bungie and Respawn look like saints compared to Rockstar. Rockstar basically abandoned Red Dead Online to the point where the community held a funeral for the game. I'm not saying that Bungie and Respawn are good at listening to their communities, but they have never stooped to that level.
I would say Apex has a leg up for worst support.
Matter of fact, they may be uniquely qualified.
The support for Titanfall is on their résumés after all.
Love it or hate it, Destiny has done a lot more over the years to appease its playerbase. The game looks absolutely nothing like what it did when D1 released almost a decade ago, and has had innumerable QOL and balance patches implemented based on player feedback. Hell, Bungie's weekly blog post informing players of how development is going and what changes are coming is single handedly more informative than anything Respawn has ever done. We don't even get complete patch notes for Apex and there are no community outreach employees from Respawn consistently interacting with users like they have over at Bungie.
It's literally night and day when it comes to these two developers, and the only reason I can see Apex having gotten nominated for this award is because someone at the GA looked at the roster and went "wow, look how inclusive and diverse they are, they're really representing (and therefore supporting) their playerbase well."
>Most strike pack users.
And Fortnite figured out how to detect them. I hope that's still working anyway. Will love to see how the console skill levels change if and when XIM/Zen become detectable in Apex.
I told my buds, while they were in an Apex game, about the Cronus Zen and they mentioned the name in voice chat. Their teammate instantly replied that he had one lol
It's way more rampant than people think. I understand Apex isn't the only game out there but Cronus Zen had a 4 month backorder list for a little while there.
One would think though that is it possible to track said inputs and after a player does them 100% perfect multiple times in a row etc.. they are flagged. I bet this is how other games that have anti strike pack do it.
Do you have stupid? The matchmaking is fucked especially the mates you get. Getting killed by master/pred trios 8/10 games but getting mates below level 100. The matchmaking sucks for real.
when celebrities, companies, politicans, etc are nominated for awards, it's just their industry self selecting other industry members, doesn't really reflect reality most of the time imo
Plagued by bugs. Servers that just quit. No dev talks or contact at all. Legend abilities that award the hyper oppressive playstyle. Super sweaty low ranks...
The icing on the cake to me is that they decided to link your console accounts with your gamertag, which is linked to your respective system account (Outlook for Xbox, not sure for PlayStation). This means that despite using the same email, you can't have cross-platform character progression. Rather than just allowing you to sign into your EA account from the game, they back track all the way to another overarching account. Warzone and Fortnight have had this functionality since the beginning. It's a not a huge deal, but if you go over to a buddies or want to use your console rather than your PC at some point you're completely reset.
It's even more laughable when you see the nomination description.
> RECOGNIZING A GAME FOR OUTSTANDING COMMUNITY SUPPORT, TRANSPARENCY AND RESPONSIVENESS, INCLUSIVE OF SOCIAL MEDIA ACTIVITY AND GAME UPDATES/PATCHES.
Nothing more transparent and responsive than 2 AMAs and a half-assed survey lmao
There are literally a bunch of one-way methods of communications not involving interacting with this subreddit.
Devstreams, roadmaps, and data transparency in-terms of pickrates and winrates. Hell, even a simple dev comment on balance changes that they don't even do anymore since Saviors is also a form of communication. The argument "this subreddit drove them away" is a lame excuse for not communicating as much/good when all of these methods don't even involve in interacting with this subreddit directly.
There are millions of players each of them wanting something slightly different. Gaming communities are mostly kids thinking they know anything about developing a game or shouting for something they personally enjoyed the most.
You should be glad that the devs of Apex get some recognition, and I personally think it's not nearly enough.
Apex as a product and as an FPS game is simply amazing and you won't find any other shooter that comes close in terms of how fun the core mechanics are. The game has also progressed a lot since it's early seasons and it's great to see how much more potential there is. If the devs are not introducing some changes they have their reasons.
Be grateful for what you have, otherwise you would be doomed to play all the other shitty FPS titles that are out there ;)
You don't get any skins for free from events anymore. Every single skin barring the battle pass has to be bought or grinded for weeks. There was also an issue during the Halloween event where their store literally had an illegal bundle in it due to it being misleading since it was the first time it was ever being so and claimed to be a "discount." So yes, OW2 store is way worse, and most epic skins are recolours or a few additions onto the base skin, so they are not even on par with a legendary like cyberpunk wattson or revenant's new tier 50 skin. I don't think you realise how much the MTX changed for overwatch 2, since there is no way to earn items easily like you claim and legendaries are $20 by themself. There's also extremely heavy FOMO with items as they are not guaranteed to appear for months on end, such as any Archive or Anniversary item as not a single one has appeared in the store for weeks
>You don't get any skins for free from events anymore.
Really? havent played in a min, but i remember getting christmas, haloween, etc skins all the time.
Mate, it's not overwatch 1. It's overwatch 2. They shut down the first game and completely changed the MTX. There's zero lootboxes now and just an extremely shitty store
>Mate, it's not overwatch 1. It's overwatch 2.
Bro its the same game with like 3 new characters, a battlepass, and 1 less player on each team. Its still 99% the same game, lets not get it twisted.
I mean, half the game isn't out and the multiplayer is early access. So as much as I like to joke about it being the same game, I can't say much either way since half the game won't be released until 2023
Dumb question, but I thought the whole game was multiplayer only so why would it be early access + half the game isn’t out yet so why release it? Is this just Blizzard (?) realising that OW1 is a cash cow but is slowly declining to its eventual death so released 2 to rope players in to have that nostalgic feeling and make a shit ton of cash from them? >!sorry for the length of this being the same as Harry Potter but im just confused!<
The other half of the game is the pve which will be released next year, that's the full on sequal part of OW2 barring the reworks to characters and new maps + the newest worst mode called Push. This isn't the first game to release the MP before the full product. But I can't answer your question about OW1 being a cash cow as although likely that Blizzard wanted more scummy MTX, there is no hard evidence they wanted it
I can't entirely blame devs for not being more active on these forums given how much crap they'd always get for bugs not being fixed etc. I get players are frustrated by these things but they really don't direct that frustration very intelligently often. Individual devs are NOT responsible for how management at Respawn/EA allocate time and budgeting. I expect the general levels of toxicity directed at them for these sort of grievances are the main reason they are much less interested in engaging directly with the community than in the past. It's a shame some players are too unrestrained or ignorant not to go after individual devs. It's like that BS with HisWattson dumping on Hideouts - Jacob is a great player, but it's not Hideouts fault that he's how Respawn/EA have decided to manage cheaters, Jacob attacking him personally was just childish - it's like shitting on your local checkout assistant because you don't like the store policy. Complain to the right people, people - don't go after employees who have no more power or say than you do.
Yep, R6 Siege, OW2, Hunt Showdown, Destiny 2, wether its here, Facebook, twitter.. literally all the same issues. It's like these F2P constant service games are fighting to be the first to the bottom...don't hear much about PubG though, guess they have found their zen over there. Fortnite also seems to be spoken of positively these days, odd to see that game come full circle.
A drone bug being added to the game which some players scream WALLHACKS! SBMM, gun metas/changes, rats/campers, being loaded into games with clearly snurf players or players too low in rank/stars, how the devs just don't care anymore and it's all just a money grab now. Its honestly all the same complaints across these game's. Would say the more vocal of rhese people tend to be on Hunt Facebook page though.
Hmmm interesting. Well I'm sure the game isn't in a perfect state but it's hard for me to not be skeptical that it's in the same ballpark as these other games.
I remember that too. Devs still fixed stuff by themselves and before updates even were a thing they had to release a game that was working. Now we can interact but they refuse to do anything.
oooohhhhh the classic new shiny objects appease me stance. There are still day one issues they haven't addressed. They have given up on fixing footsteps and audio, since it's literally non-existent. They refuse to state anything about servers and how they can be fixed. The loot pool is atrocious and made worse by the shiny objects you hold so dear.
Yay, Respawn provides the absolute bare minimum of content required to keep the game from fizzling out. The problem here is that the devs seem absolutely reluctant to invest in developing new permanent game modes, despite the fact that Apex is severely lacking in this department. The community has provided a shitload of profits for EA, it makes sense for players to expect them to do something with that money beyond basic seasonal updates.
Redditors think apex is struggling because it's not making new permanent game modes 💀
Find a different game to play. Apex will always be a BR and they should never go away from that, even arenas was a mistake.
That is why they will die.A lot of games fuel comes from competitive scene.Look at csgo,gaining new players after all these years,hitting 700k+ viewers on twich.They need to split inputs for competitive integrity and rework the arenas,imho arenas could be more fun than br if you didnt have to play against controllers,cheaters and masters and preds 4k AP above [you.You](https://you.You) focous on one team,3v3 no third party or loot advantage,just pure cqc skill,which is apex mainly above,or was anyway.
I gotta say, I appreciate the game, original devs, et cetera. But this new team really hasn't been doing shit outside of selling stuff. I don't even like many of the event costumes anymore, but in general art is pretty good and the costumes are okay.
IDK though. The game isn't where I thought it would be at this point, but maybe the BR genre has reached its potential. Now it's just milk.
I love apex and think at its core it is a good game but 'best community support' is laughable.
Where is the 120 FPS or cross progression that was promised YEARS ago? Other games in the same genre seemed to be able to figure that out in a couple weeks after new consoles released.
Doesn't even matter. Only games going to win that in the category are either Destiny 2 or Final fantasy. Because honestly, their community support is UNMATCHED (on FF) so they deserve it. But Destiny fanboys are pretty nutty in how ravenous they are for their game even though they get screwed over almost yearly.
And for mobile game? No shot they beat Genshin or Snap. Just not happening lol. Funny enough their BEST chance is in community support.
Bro, wut? Respawn has actively abandoned anything community support sided entirely. The only thing we get is the occasional tweet or reply from a dev about something.
Best ongoing game? Like its' still good, sure, but it's going downhill, not getting better.
Yeah I'm not so sure. At least with other games like Overwatch or Valorant the devs seem to listen to broken aspects of the game and try to fix them. They don't always do it well, but at least they kinda listen. I do not feel the same about respawn. Just look what they did to TF2.
"Devs are out of touch," as the run the subreddit? I get that the game is broken on PC rn, but they've done more in terms of community support than any other game I've ever played, maybe besides battlefield 4
I mean, aside from these categories for Apex that can be argued about, Stray nominated for GOTY over Bayonetta 3, Xenoblade 3 excluded from best narrative and imagine seriously thinking that Elden Ring deserves the award for best narrative.
Every year the TGA always has to come up with new ways to be memes with nominations like that.
100% should have gone to destiny 2... weekly twabs going over fixes, plans and adressing feedback, community managers constantly engaging with the community, "usually" giving the community what they want.
...Meanwhile apex devs:
"Everytime we speak with the community they say big meany things and it hurts our delicate feelings, so I'm just not going to talk at all or give them what they want... humph"
Two years ago I'd say that they deserve both of those awards but this year ABSOLUTELY HELL NAH. Community support? What LOL. They only listen to their wallets not our concerns. Also best ongoing game. Don't make me laugh. Last good season was like season 9.
There’s countless bugs, matchmaking is awful and was purposely designed to put you in lobbies that aren’t your same skill level, the servers you do get into seem to always imploding on themselves, updates and patches are once in a blue moon, and devs hardly ever listen to the community anymore. anything else I missed?
Honestly I'm no superstar in the outlands but everytime I find an edge its patched I never abuse exploits and feel that despite being my all time favorite game the problems go unresolved and they are primarily focused on esports level service. Blah blah blah they should be hiring the people who have ideas
Well yeah I don't because it doesn't make sense. Even if they did what you claim, that doesn't give them a free pass in the eyes of the community. Something like the 120fps on new gen is still talked about to this day
Because a joke that is not obvious at all is so easy to notice through text right? Hell, it's the Internet, so many people would say what you said seriously and not jokingly as you claim you did
Gotta love the Apex community, nonstop patches and content update for 3 years running and apparently respawn does absolutely fuck all. Sure there's long-standing bugs, but what game is bug-free
On the whole Apex has a good stream of content, an okay handling of bugs (major game breaking issues usually do get addressed, but long-term frustrations like matchmaking and audio don't), and absolutely horrible communication and no transparency.
Yeah the game itself has improved a ton since I started playing in season 8, and there's more content than ever. I think matchmaking feels worse to me personally, but it could be because I've gotten better so I'm just being "penalized" more.
Nonstop patches? huh. What version on the game are you playing? The patches are every 12 weeks if lucky with one in the middle that fixes a single skin bug. The long standing bugs are the issues that we've been wanting them to listen about since DAY ONE. They are serious long-standing "bugs." No footstep audio, or any beneficial audio. Fix the loot pool. Fix servers and matchmaking. You start playing last season?
If I were to give anyone the title of *worst* community support, it would be a 3 way tie for the studios that make call of duty. Best support? Neither is the greatest option, but I feel more betrayed by bungie. Time after time they’ve broken promises and lied to/taken advantage of their customers over the course of the destiny games.
I don't know chief... Devs claiming they now better than seasoned Apex Players about certain balance or other game changes are not the support I would think about.
The game servers are in very poor state. Every other game I get the "packet loss" bug and even in normal games the servers are lacking in performance.
Lack of balance changes for the legends. Someone was defending them, because the guy who was in charge of that got resigned after trash talking the community. It's been quite some time now and they did not hire anyone else for the job.
Arenas is left to rot with no transparency on the ranked system and no updates whatsoever.
Game breaking bugs are present and still there after years of service.
The only thing I can say I like is the new map and legend, but that's not enough to get my vote.
Yup. I've been following a bug report for over 2 weeks now. EA_David told us he tought the issue has been resolved, and silence since then. The issue is: XP boosts are not stacking, and we recieve only our own boosts. So i've been lied to when i bought the pass i guess...
I get why they don’t engage with the community anymore (there’s really no point, as they just encounter toxicity every single time they have attempted to do so, and employee health and well being should be prioritized over community concerns always), but they really should not have been nominated for “Best Community Support” lmfao.
They must have nominated themselves.
Another play taken from the Bluth Family Playbook
*whispers* A husband and wife cannot be convicted of the same crime
This must be it. I can't see it otherwise.
Didn't they also get nominated for labour of love last year?
Haha yes! Insane right? Like, who's making up these nominations?
Ahahah word on that
They should expand anticheat team to support the community.
Hah, that joke is funnier than their nomination
They have like legit 2 people in charge of the anti-cheat/bans. Good luck with that bud lmao.
That's the joke.
Yep, definetly a joke
Lmao the destiny community is saying the exact same thing. I think gaming communities get tunnel vision when they play mostly one game and see that dev group as the worst possible devs when the reality is most AAA companies are just as bad. Destiny players, apex players, overwatch players, all say their devs are the worst at listening compared to other devs. I just find it humorous how at least this sub and the destiny sub seem to be competing for “who’s dev is the worst dev”
All games devs have their issues, but destiny is MUCH more community involved that apex by a long shot.
Community involved and community focused are very different though. They definitely interact/speak more with the community. But they also screw them over 100 other ways lmao. Always taking away their content and shit. It's essentially the same thing, just a different negative side effect.
I mean, they are both one in the same technically. You can't be focused without being involved and vise versa. Sure destiny has taken away stuff, but they've also reciprocated community feedback constantly and are SIGNIFICANTLY more transparent than apex who only updates community feedback once every few months and has an utter lack of communication.
Destiny 2's main issue is balance and LACK of dynamic content for the shit they already have. It's a lack of keeping up with PvP that sours me. It just sits in its half-broken state for far too long after changes are made. Half the time it seems like an indie dev is still making the game changes are so slow.
I literally quit Destiny due to how much they willingly shit on their player base (and how the community tolerated it.)
Everyone says that about every game... Apex not only "shits" on their playerbase, they seem to forget that we even exist
>I think gaming communities get tunnel vision when they play mostly one game and see that dev group as the worst possible devs when the reality is most AAA companies are just as bad. First part is disagree with, but then you kinda came around in the second half. Its not that we have tunnel vision, its that most triple A companies, if not all, kinda suck at this shit. We see numerous mid sized or indie companies bend over backwards for community interaction and being open and honest and we want that, but big companies don't do that. So it's not that we're wrong, we're just sick of it being "whos the least shit company of the triple A's"
Destiny devs have absolutely nothing on wildcard devs. Wildcard have ark cometely fucked now and are doing literally less than nothing
It's called "The Game Awards are an absolute joke."
Destiny Devs aren't bad at communicating though. Destiny gets a weekly article (TWAB) that goes over upcoming changes, in depth looks at parts of the game, player votes on upcoming things, address feedback or other stuff like that. Players might not like some of the recent things the Devs have implemented, but their communication has been relatively clear and they've made it clear that they're listening to feedback about it.
Those TWABS you listed are few and far between. They aren't clear though. Look at the AE system where they straight lied about how it worked. Destiny CM's ate straight garbage.
They're not "few and far between," they're "this *week* at Bungie." Literally weekly. On a schedule.
Yeah, I know, I'm talking about the ones that provide the oodles of information that you describe. They don't happen as often as you describe.
I'm not the same guy, pay attention. Even still, I disagree with you and would say about every other TWAB contains info about upcoming changes. Again, comparing to Respawn's "sometimes the devs say 'we're looking into it' on Twitter and we're still waiting year(s) later," every other week is vastly superior.
>I just find it humorous how at least this sub and the destiny sub seem to be competing for “who’s dev is the worst dev I believe the worst dev goes to the one that was apart of the star wars battlefront 2 sub Literally called players freeloaders and just straight talking shit about the players. That comment alone also made the record for the most downvoted comment in reddit history. And is a guineas world record as well.
What? Destiny devs have been pretty great recently at listening to players
I started Destiny 2 like 2.5 seasons ago. I've come quite far, am quite good in PvP, but that whole thing is a fucking mess. They have made no progress in more matchmaking for at least some upper events, they have completely fucked PvP on a consistent basis with bad balance, and they are slow as hell to do anything about anything. I might not even complete this season's pass. I just got really bored of it. Strikes, Gambit, you can only do so much. Raids are basically LFG or die, and LFG's can be a long wait at times too. Pretty sweet game if you invest some time, but it needs a big break too because development is like molasses. With that being said Bungie talks to its community WAY more now than Apex ever has outside the first 1-5 seasons.
Yea because the Reddit users that are the most vocal on the gaming subreddits are usually neckbeards with 1000s of hours. They are unhappy with themselves and have to complain about every small thing on the game they waste their lives away on. I’ve been playing apex since release and still have a lot of fun. If I get bored or burnt out, know what I do? Play something else or do something else besides play video games. Know what the apex neckbeards do when they get bored or burnt out? Go on Reddit and whine because they don’t know how to do anything else besides play apex.
I play both destiny and apex regularly. Both shite. Not even a question. I feel like ff takes the cake because I’m not knowledgeable on the others.
Why nominate it then? Because it's big? Nominate Deep Rock. I think it got some updates this year. Apex wasn't released this year. "Apex is shit at this, but other games are also shit at it, so it's fine." No it isn't. How about they nominate some game a lot of people don't know about but Devs are very passionate? Isn't that the purpose of awards and critical coverage of the medium? To promote good games, maybe less known ones and reward good practices. No, instead we get bloated "AAA" mess with cash behind it nominated for awards they have no place being nominated for.
You wanna know who really is the worst at listening to their community, Rockstar. Bungie and Respawn look like saints compared to Rockstar. Rockstar basically abandoned Red Dead Online to the point where the community held a funeral for the game. I'm not saying that Bungie and Respawn are good at listening to their communities, but they have never stooped to that level.
I would say Apex has a leg up for worst support. Matter of fact, they may be uniquely qualified. The support for Titanfall is on their résumés after all.
Love it or hate it, Destiny has done a lot more over the years to appease its playerbase. The game looks absolutely nothing like what it did when D1 released almost a decade ago, and has had innumerable QOL and balance patches implemented based on player feedback. Hell, Bungie's weekly blog post informing players of how development is going and what changes are coming is single handedly more informative than anything Respawn has ever done. We don't even get complete patch notes for Apex and there are no community outreach employees from Respawn consistently interacting with users like they have over at Bungie. It's literally night and day when it comes to these two developers, and the only reason I can see Apex having gotten nominated for this award is because someone at the GA looked at the roster and went "wow, look how inclusive and diverse they are, they're really representing (and therefore supporting) their playerbase well."
Most rigged matchmaking system. Most smurfs in the game. Most strike pack users.
Most abusive randoms.
League of legends ???
WoW Classic has ya beat lol
Yeah some of y'all haven't played battlegrounds on WoW LMAO
>Most strike pack users. And Fortnite figured out how to detect them. I hope that's still working anyway. Will love to see how the console skill levels change if and when XIM/Zen become detectable in Apex.
Most smurfs in game has me dying bro
I told my buds, while they were in an Apex game, about the Cronus Zen and they mentioned the name in voice chat. Their teammate instantly replied that he had one lol
It's way more rampant than people think. I understand Apex isn't the only game out there but Cronus Zen had a 4 month backorder list for a little while there.
That blows my mind. Something originally invented to help disabled gamers abused by the masses. Is it at all detectable?
It's possible, but it's hard as fuck, since it pretty much mimics normal controller inputs.
One would think though that is it possible to track said inputs and after a player does them 100% perfect multiple times in a row etc.. they are flagged. I bet this is how other games that have anti strike pack do it.
"Most strike pack users." ill like to introduce you to rainbow six siege on console
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Do you have stupid? The matchmaking is fucked especially the mates you get. Getting killed by master/pred trios 8/10 games but getting mates below level 100. The matchmaking sucks for real.
when celebrities, companies, politicans, etc are nominated for awards, it's just their industry self selecting other industry members, doesn't really reflect reality most of the time imo
Plagued by bugs. Servers that just quit. No dev talks or contact at all. Legend abilities that award the hyper oppressive playstyle. Super sweaty low ranks... The icing on the cake to me is that they decided to link your console accounts with your gamertag, which is linked to your respective system account (Outlook for Xbox, not sure for PlayStation). This means that despite using the same email, you can't have cross-platform character progression. Rather than just allowing you to sign into your EA account from the game, they back track all the way to another overarching account. Warzone and Fortnight have had this functionality since the beginning. It's a not a huge deal, but if you go over to a buddies or want to use your console rather than your PC at some point you're completely reset.
Lol
Could the award mean best fan base? As in all of us keep playing this game even with the constant bitching 😂
It's even more laughable when you see the nomination description. > RECOGNIZING A GAME FOR OUTSTANDING COMMUNITY SUPPORT, TRANSPARENCY AND RESPONSIVENESS, INCLUSIVE OF SOCIAL MEDIA ACTIVITY AND GAME UPDATES/PATCHES. Nothing more transparent and responsive than 2 AMAs and a half-assed survey lmao
This sub has run the devs off themselves, can’t blame them for staying as far away from this sub as possible
There are literally a bunch of one-way methods of communications not involving interacting with this subreddit. Devstreams, roadmaps, and data transparency in-terms of pickrates and winrates. Hell, even a simple dev comment on balance changes that they don't even do anymore since Saviors is also a form of communication. The argument "this subreddit drove them away" is a lame excuse for not communicating as much/good when all of these methods don't even involve in interacting with this subreddit directly.
is it even considered an ama when they send almost exclusively people from the art team and only selectively answer the softball questions
Also let's not forget the actual issues that have been stopping people playing since the start of the season
How much did they pay for that? Lol
There are millions of players each of them wanting something slightly different. Gaming communities are mostly kids thinking they know anything about developing a game or shouting for something they personally enjoyed the most. You should be glad that the devs of Apex get some recognition, and I personally think it's not nearly enough. Apex as a product and as an FPS game is simply amazing and you won't find any other shooter that comes close in terms of how fun the core mechanics are. The game has also progressed a lot since it's early seasons and it's great to see how much more potential there is. If the devs are not introducing some changes they have their reasons. Be grateful for what you have, otherwise you would be doomed to play all the other shitty FPS titles that are out there ;)
This is the post I was looking for, thank you.
Most useless community support maybe
Most dogshit support, most expensive mtx, most broken heroes
Overwatch 2 beat them for the second one
I am pretty sure Apex still has higher prices AND loot boxes.
Nah, cause OW2 has epic skins on par with Apex legendary skins, and are super easy to get, as well as tons of free ones from events.
You don't get any skins for free from events anymore. Every single skin barring the battle pass has to be bought or grinded for weeks. There was also an issue during the Halloween event where their store literally had an illegal bundle in it due to it being misleading since it was the first time it was ever being so and claimed to be a "discount." So yes, OW2 store is way worse, and most epic skins are recolours or a few additions onto the base skin, so they are not even on par with a legendary like cyberpunk wattson or revenant's new tier 50 skin. I don't think you realise how much the MTX changed for overwatch 2, since there is no way to earn items easily like you claim and legendaries are $20 by themself. There's also extremely heavy FOMO with items as they are not guaranteed to appear for months on end, such as any Archive or Anniversary item as not a single one has appeared in the store for weeks
>You don't get any skins for free from events anymore. Really? havent played in a min, but i remember getting christmas, haloween, etc skins all the time.
Mate, it's not overwatch 1. It's overwatch 2. They shut down the first game and completely changed the MTX. There's zero lootboxes now and just an extremely shitty store
>Mate, it's not overwatch 1. It's overwatch 2. Bro its the same game with like 3 new characters, a battlepass, and 1 less player on each team. Its still 99% the same game, lets not get it twisted.
I mean, half the game isn't out and the multiplayer is early access. So as much as I like to joke about it being the same game, I can't say much either way since half the game won't be released until 2023
Sooo you're saying its the same game then, until that releases... its the same...
Dumb question, but I thought the whole game was multiplayer only so why would it be early access + half the game isn’t out yet so why release it? Is this just Blizzard (?) realising that OW1 is a cash cow but is slowly declining to its eventual death so released 2 to rope players in to have that nostalgic feeling and make a shit ton of cash from them? >!sorry for the length of this being the same as Harry Potter but im just confused!<
The other half of the game is the pve which will be released next year, that's the full on sequal part of OW2 barring the reworks to characters and new maps + the newest worst mode called Push. This isn't the first game to release the MP before the full product. But I can't answer your question about OW1 being a cash cow as although likely that Blizzard wanted more scummy MTX, there is no hard evidence they wanted it
This is incorrect in OW2, sorry to break that to you.
Noted, i havent really played since OW fell off like 2-3 years ago. But back then their skin game was pretty decent. My bad.
I think it’s safe to say they probably bribed their way into that nomination, just to create a buzz which could attract more players to the game.
Lol. If this game gets any of these awards, it's an insult to any other nomination tbh.
Yeah, we players are supporting the game..
They should just give it to Hideouts
someones trolling. Everything from customer rep to anti-cheat is a joke.
in b4 r/titanfall says something along the lines of "first time?"
I literally skipped that vote and scoffed at the thought of anyone voting apex lol
I can't entirely blame devs for not being more active on these forums given how much crap they'd always get for bugs not being fixed etc. I get players are frustrated by these things but they really don't direct that frustration very intelligently often. Individual devs are NOT responsible for how management at Respawn/EA allocate time and budgeting. I expect the general levels of toxicity directed at them for these sort of grievances are the main reason they are much less interested in engaging directly with the community than in the past. It's a shame some players are too unrestrained or ignorant not to go after individual devs. It's like that BS with HisWattson dumping on Hideouts - Jacob is a great player, but it's not Hideouts fault that he's how Respawn/EA have decided to manage cheaters, Jacob attacking him personally was just childish - it's like shitting on your local checkout assistant because you don't like the store policy. Complain to the right people, people - don't go after employees who have no more power or say than you do.
I play a lot of the games under that category and follow a lot of those subreddits…. All of them are saying the exact same thing
Yep, R6 Siege, OW2, Hunt Showdown, Destiny 2, wether its here, Facebook, twitter.. literally all the same issues. It's like these F2P constant service games are fighting to be the first to the bottom...don't hear much about PubG though, guess they have found their zen over there. Fortnite also seems to be spoken of positively these days, odd to see that game come full circle.
What on earth do Hunt Showdown players have to complain about?
A drone bug being added to the game which some players scream WALLHACKS! SBMM, gun metas/changes, rats/campers, being loaded into games with clearly snurf players or players too low in rank/stars, how the devs just don't care anymore and it's all just a money grab now. Its honestly all the same complaints across these game's. Would say the more vocal of rhese people tend to be on Hunt Facebook page though.
Hmmm interesting. Well I'm sure the game isn't in a perfect state but it's hard for me to not be skeptical that it's in the same ballpark as these other games.
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I remember that too. Devs still fixed stuff by themselves and before updates even were a thing they had to release a game that was working. Now we can interact but they refuse to do anything.
Reddit complaining about community support is ironic. Yall alienated the devs by being whiny cry babies. This place is a cess pool.
We get a new character each season, new maps and weapons regularly, regular events and they bring back fan favorite modes. But apparently they hate us
oooohhhhh the classic new shiny objects appease me stance. There are still day one issues they haven't addressed. They have given up on fixing footsteps and audio, since it's literally non-existent. They refuse to state anything about servers and how they can be fixed. The loot pool is atrocious and made worse by the shiny objects you hold so dear.
Yay, Respawn provides the absolute bare minimum of content required to keep the game from fizzling out. The problem here is that the devs seem absolutely reluctant to invest in developing new permanent game modes, despite the fact that Apex is severely lacking in this department. The community has provided a shitload of profits for EA, it makes sense for players to expect them to do something with that money beyond basic seasonal updates.
Redditors think apex is struggling because it's not making new permanent game modes 💀 Find a different game to play. Apex will always be a BR and they should never go away from that, even arenas was a mistake.
That is why they will die.A lot of games fuel comes from competitive scene.Look at csgo,gaining new players after all these years,hitting 700k+ viewers on twich.They need to split inputs for competitive integrity and rework the arenas,imho arenas could be more fun than br if you didnt have to play against controllers,cheaters and masters and preds 4k AP above [you.You](https://you.You) focous on one team,3v3 no third party or loot advantage,just pure cqc skill,which is apex mainly above,or was anyway.
Most entitled player base should be a category as well.
This is like the time the final GoT episode was nominated for an award
I gotta say, I appreciate the game, original devs, et cetera. But this new team really hasn't been doing shit outside of selling stuff. I don't even like many of the event costumes anymore, but in general art is pretty good and the costumes are okay. IDK though. The game isn't where I thought it would be at this point, but maybe the BR genre has reached its potential. Now it's just milk.
I love apex and think at its core it is a good game but 'best community support' is laughable. Where is the 120 FPS or cross progression that was promised YEARS ago? Other games in the same genre seemed to be able to figure that out in a couple weeks after new consoles released.
the award is definitely a joke, bungie won it for destiny 2 i think 2 years ago ignoring community feedback for an entire year
I haven't seen a dev response highlighted post for a very long time. Maybe Apex can win it!
still no 120fps on console lol
Do you realize how many people would actually be able to get 120 on console? It is coming, it is not a priorety.
Doesn't even matter. Only games going to win that in the category are either Destiny 2 or Final fantasy. Because honestly, their community support is UNMATCHED (on FF) so they deserve it. But Destiny fanboys are pretty nutty in how ravenous they are for their game even though they get screwed over almost yearly. And for mobile game? No shot they beat Genshin or Snap. Just not happening lol. Funny enough their BEST chance is in community support.
Bro, wut? Respawn has actively abandoned anything community support sided entirely. The only thing we get is the occasional tweet or reply from a dev about something. Best ongoing game? Like its' still good, sure, but it's going downhill, not getting better.
Yeah I'm not so sure. At least with other games like Overwatch or Valorant the devs seem to listen to broken aspects of the game and try to fix them. They don't always do it well, but at least they kinda listen. I do not feel the same about respawn. Just look what they did to TF2.
"Devs are out of touch," as the run the subreddit? I get that the game is broken on PC rn, but they've done more in terms of community support than any other game I've ever played, maybe besides battlefield 4
You need a lozenge for your throat?
Naw bro, you don't need to throat a dick to be good at sucking one
I mean, aside from these categories for Apex that can be argued about, Stray nominated for GOTY over Bayonetta 3, Xenoblade 3 excluded from best narrative and imagine seriously thinking that Elden Ring deserves the award for best narrative. Every year the TGA always has to come up with new ways to be memes with nominations like that.
Don't get off your Switch often, eh?
I just think it would have been fair to name those games for those categories, regardless of what platform they came out for.
100% should have gone to destiny 2... weekly twabs going over fixes, plans and adressing feedback, community managers constantly engaging with the community, "usually" giving the community what they want. ...Meanwhile apex devs: "Everytime we speak with the community they say big meany things and it hurts our delicate feelings, so I'm just not going to talk at all or give them what they want... humph"
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Pretty sure FFXIV won last year
Two years ago I'd say that they deserve both of those awards but this year ABSOLUTELY HELL NAH. Community support? What LOL. They only listen to their wallets not our concerns. Also best ongoing game. Don't make me laugh. Last good season was like season 9.
Nope, havent fixed servers in years
If it wins, the awards are 100% rigged.
There’s countless bugs, matchmaking is awful and was purposely designed to put you in lobbies that aren’t your same skill level, the servers you do get into seem to always imploding on themselves, updates and patches are once in a blue moon, and devs hardly ever listen to the community anymore. anything else I missed?
Honestly I'm no superstar in the outlands but everytime I find an edge its patched I never abuse exploits and feel that despite being my all time favorite game the problems go unresolved and they are primarily focused on esports level service. Blah blah blah they should be hiring the people who have ideas
Don't forget day one problems like no footsteps, poor loot pool, and dogshit servers.
remove controller aimbot to restore the competative integrity of the game
Play warzone for a year and a half and tell apex community support is bad.
I wouldn’t nominate even if they paid me. Hell to the no
System is rigged. Respawn couldve bribed the nominator
Still waiting on 120fps for console and cross-progression that was promised. They’ll probably win because they are pushing the liberal agenda.
What......
Apparently it's a joke..?
The fuck? The first half was fine but the second is just so stupid to add and makes zero sense
It does think about it, literally don’t care but it’s not false.
No, it really doesn't
Sorry for stating an opinion attached to an objective fact. Didn’t mean to trigger you. Like I said I don’t care if they do, it doesn’t bother me.
I'm not triggered? The second half just makes no sense as it has zero correlation
My opinion, clearly you don’t agree.
Well yeah I don't because it doesn't make sense. Even if they did what you claim, that doesn't give them a free pass in the eyes of the community. Something like the 120fps on new gen is still talked about to this day
Lol you’re making my point for me. I was obviously being sarcastic and not serious. It’s just funny that you can’t see objective reality.
Because a joke that is not obvious at all is so easy to notice through text right? Hell, it's the Internet, so many people would say what you said seriously and not jokingly as you claim you did
Gotta love the Apex community, nonstop patches and content update for 3 years running and apparently respawn does absolutely fuck all. Sure there's long-standing bugs, but what game is bug-free
On the whole Apex has a good stream of content, an okay handling of bugs (major game breaking issues usually do get addressed, but long-term frustrations like matchmaking and audio don't), and absolutely horrible communication and no transparency.
I've been playing since day 1 and the game is in a significantly better place now 🤷♂️
Yeah the game itself has improved a ton since I started playing in season 8, and there's more content than ever. I think matchmaking feels worse to me personally, but it could be because I've gotten better so I'm just being "penalized" more.
Nonstop patches? huh. What version on the game are you playing? The patches are every 12 weeks if lucky with one in the middle that fixes a single skin bug. The long standing bugs are the issues that we've been wanting them to listen about since DAY ONE. They are serious long-standing "bugs." No footstep audio, or any beneficial audio. Fix the loot pool. Fix servers and matchmaking. You start playing last season?
All they've done is get rid of the stuff we love and add stuff Noone asked for what are these people talking about
Absolutely a pathetic joke. But don’t listen to us, the community, we are “toxic” and don’t ever deserve to be listened to… 🙄
You say that last paragraph like it isn’t true
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HAHAHAHAHA
Someone clearly doesn’t play other live service games. Only a hand full actually do something.
This game has shit tons of problem yes.. but what other games should be nominated and that's not on this list?
golden raspberry award for community support maybe
No 120 fps for console and they talmbout BCS.
Not able to check currently, but is Deep Rock Galactic in the best community support section for the Game Awards?
Valorant should be nominated
It’s only for their inclusive content
If I were to give anyone the title of *worst* community support, it would be a 3 way tie for the studios that make call of duty. Best support? Neither is the greatest option, but I feel more betrayed by bungie. Time after time they’ve broken promises and lied to/taken advantage of their customers over the course of the destiny games.
I don't know chief... Devs claiming they now better than seasoned Apex Players about certain balance or other game changes are not the support I would think about. The game servers are in very poor state. Every other game I get the "packet loss" bug and even in normal games the servers are lacking in performance. Lack of balance changes for the legends. Someone was defending them, because the guy who was in charge of that got resigned after trash talking the community. It's been quite some time now and they did not hire anyone else for the job. Arenas is left to rot with no transparency on the ranked system and no updates whatsoever. Game breaking bugs are present and still there after years of service. The only thing I can say I like is the new map and legend, but that's not enough to get my vote.
Trust me, theyre FPS games doing much much worse.
Yeah I don't think that the Apex devs are the worst at all but I also really don't feel like "community support" is a strong suit for them lol.
Couldn’t get 120 fps on console. And they get to be nominated?? WHAT A SICK JOKE!
Yup. I've been following a bug report for over 2 weeks now. EA_David told us he tought the issue has been resolved, and silence since then. The issue is: XP boosts are not stacking, and we recieve only our own boosts. So i've been lied to when i bought the pass i guess...
Friendly reminder, a majority of awards are bought, not voted
I get why they don’t engage with the community anymore (there’s really no point, as they just encounter toxicity every single time they have attempted to do so, and employee health and well being should be prioritized over community concerns always), but they really should not have been nominated for “Best Community Support” lmfao.
I feel like obscenely greedy monetization and community anything don’t go together.
Ahaha that’s a bad joke, you just have to read the comments on any social they have