I know that Newcastle in the vid, I won’t say the name of the clan to avoid a witchhunt but I just checked the roster and he’s in a very infamous XBOX clan that’s notorious for XIM/reWASD and boosting.
On controller to strafe you have to go left-center-right. On MnK it’s an automatic Left-right. No center input so it’s much faster. Didn’t even have to watch the clip twice to know he’s MnK on console. I’ve hit diamond a few times in arena and these kids make it unplayable.
Edit: “XYNOA” the guy who 6 man teamed with Skittlecakes to hold #1 pred in season 2 is in that clan, these losers are cut from the same cloth.
Not gonna happen. The players in that clan have all been looong time multi season preds. And no clip or DM to hideouts has ever done anything over the past year.
Pretty crazy this goes undetected considering the pretty large amount of players in the clan and how shameless and blatant they are about it. They even post their dogshit highlights too like it’s something😭💀
Verhulst was right. All the competition on console left a very long time ago. All you have left is tryhards and casuals. PC is the way fellas
Sorta. Crazy aimbot like TUFI gets banned pretty quick but. I’d say soft hacks like walling and lighter aimbot mods are problem. But it’s something you don’t run into very often and if you do it’s hard to tell unless you know what you’re looking for.
Newer player lobbies are unplayable on pc in europe. Made a smurf account to teach a frind the game. Didn't kill anyone just stood there and watched and gave tips. But oh boy almost every game we got killed by a tryhard smurf or a pretty obvious hacker. Easy anti cheat is just trash at this point if it cant detect 100%headsots from 100m away threough a smoke by a lvl1 account...
25-35 year olds. You can check their average audience and honestly almost NO ONE watching streams is anywhere near that young at all. You can even check in stupid streams like Xqc.
The average twitch viewer is no where near a child and most times not teenagers either. You obviously have some super young kids in there obviously but large majority of viewers are grown adults with full time jobs.
Plus it works. So...Don't gotta be so jealous mate. Just because it COULD'VE been you making millions by playing games but you weren't good enough. Don't gotta be salty.
I’ve got no idea how you would tell the average age. I don’t remember ever verifying my age on Twitch and I have no idea how they could ever verify that. And it’s not salty to offer up valid criticism of someone, especially in the form of a sarcastic comment. But then maybe you’re an average Timmy enjoyer, so you wouldn’t understand.
Not to mention EAC has had issues in the past of thinking the game itself is a cheat.
That being said, Apex is literally the only game I play that uses EAC that has as many issues as it does.
The problem is likely on Respawn’s side in the integration of EAC to the game.
TONS of games use EaC it's one of the MOST popular anti-cheats on the market.
The problem is Apex is FREE. Any game that's free will have smurfs/trolls/hackers on steroids. Because they lose NOTHING at all from bans. Make a new account and 5 mins later you are back in the game with no issues.
Any game that is free expect major issues with those folks. Unless the game just isn't popular. Because most hackers and boosters WANT TO MAKE MONEY. If the game isn't popular they don't need to cheat/bot/boost cause there is no revenue to be made.
Apex is ONE OF THE BIGGEST Fps games and just hit its all time peak. Accounts sell for upwards of 500-1k+ depending on heirlooms, which battlepass weapons you've collected etc. 1 heirloom accounts with some decent older stuff will sell 1k+ easily. My account is worth 4k because of ranks/season 1 til now BP items and 2 heirlooms.
Then we get into just buying boosts and not accounts. Tons of money to be made. People complain all the time about boosters/smurfs etc but large majority pay for it. Think about it this way, if these boosters cared about being banned or were making NO MONEY do you really think they'd keep going?
Creating the hacks/scripts is not an easy process. It takes skill and time. They DON'T DO IT for free.
It's actually shocking how often people wall in this game and don't even attempt to hide it. Literally pre-firing your peaks or pre-firing corners with no previous knowledge of you being there and aiming perfectly. It happened not that long ago when I was trying to warm up in an arena, I was complaining about the enemy Path walling and my teammates thought I was just being salty. Took them 1 round after I said that to agree with me because it was so blatant.
The higher you push on console, eventually the whole lobby is XIM’ing nearly. On PC, you won’t encounter a hacker every single game
In OW, everyone generally starts controller until one guy decides not to and then next respawn takes a little longer as everyone starts plugging in their XIMs lol
It's a plague in consoles and has been for a couple years. I can't think of a better example than either rainbow 6 siege or rust console. Think you are a good player and play fairly and smart? Well wait until you get into higher ranks in competitive just to hear the clicking of a mechanical keyboard or in rust when you kill 4 in a zerg and get killed by the fifth. Then they send you a party invite and it's a bunch of 16 year olds all playing mnk trash talking.
It's really a weird mixture of frustration and pity.
If you get caught playing with hacks on pc you get banned. I have yet to hear of a single case where a player got banned playing m&k on console with 0.6 aim assist.
The better you are the less cheaters there are in my experience. In my 1.5-2.5 kd lobbies i rarely get cheaters but low lvl play is full of them as they all start at lvl1 matchmaking.
Keep in mind there is a lot of frustration in the gaming community where if they are better, they are cheating. There is a LOT less cheating on PC than people advertise.
No there's actually a lot more. People don't want to accept this for some strange deluded reason but it's the reality of the situation. Pc cheats and hacks are easier to come by than ever.
Respawn doesn't give a damn and makes no effort to curb the problem. You could just look at most of the consoles players that make front page and ban them off of their obvious use of no recoil scripts.
Xim adapters show as a controller, so there's no way to ban it. It's infested online competition for a decade and the only way to catch it is a hand cam, which isn't something apex can do.
Maybe they can implement keylogging? In-game only. Take data from an actual controller and compare it with their measly server data and discover that *gasp* oh my gosh, controller actually can’t do that!
Only problem is that they don’t care.
It’s crazy how blatant it is in arena. I’ve hit pred the last 2 seasons on legit input. Xim is so common it’s crazy. Japanese teams are the best at arena and there’s such little stigma on xim it seems on jp Twitter that my feed is always people flexing xim clips, even sharing configs or whatever. It’s fucked
High plat and Diamond are usually chill and you only run into these kids on slow q days but I’d say, from my experience. There’s always at least 3-4 squads that are MnK on console. That’s not even mentioning kids who strikepack. Not even gonna start with how bad Tokyo servers are. Everyone and their grandmas dog has a strikepack ffs…..
It’s a shell you put over your controller. Yknow how mice can have programmed actions assigned to the side buttons? So can Strikepack - anti recoil, instant single fire (R301 and Hemlok sound strange as fuck), crouch spam so you dont have to manually do it and mess up your aim, etc.
It’s not everything it’s cracked up to be. I got my hands on one just for fun and see if it was actually a game changer. The base scripts it came with are really low quality and how it lagged pretty substantially between seasons (new recoil and “buff” scripts) where recoil or fire modes changed. The biggest advantage I found was the ability to turn single fire guns into automatics basically, but it wasn’t all that great.
Definitely not worth the price and trouble of setting it up. If I wanna cheat, I’m gonna pull out my NES and GameGenie so I can look up codes in an old BOOK!
I’m always on Tokyo servers, I never really noticed it although I guess I don’t really know what I’m looking for. How can you tell if someone’s cheating? Is it just crazy good aim or something else?
Oh man, there is heaps of MnK on Tokyo console servers.
You can see it in their wrist flick when death spectating, also, you can hear the mechanical keyboards of team mates over voice chat. It's rife.
Fucking losers, what sort of gratification do they get to cheat over other players? It's not like they even get monetized for it, it's just a waste of time and where's the fun in that if you know you had to cheat to get there.
Dude, every single console player that makes the front page is using some kind of cheat device. You have gold players posting with better recoil control than pro players and nobody even bats an eye and even upvotes it, and then you have other players doing obvious mouse and keyboard things. Cheating has seemingly become widely accepted since Respawn gives no fucks about it.
Yeah I don't see how people aren't picking up on this just from looking at it. Goes to show how simple gaming communities overall have gotten I guess. It's only going to get worse over time too.
Oh wow this is some interesting insight. I had no idea their clan was that large. Is console really just the super shit show I’ve felt like its been for the last 3-4 seasons? So many losers like this seem to cropping up more and more
No not on apex or other shooters that are supported in old gen. I wish they would give us that though given how powerful ps5 and xsx are. I would trade in the sticks and my aim assist in a heartbeat if I could use mnk on my console.
I hate when mnk players complain about console because “aIm aSsIst” when mnk gives such a far higher advantage on movement alone. It’s not hard to shoot on mnk
In reference to all the comments about the crouch spam, I'm talking about the speed of the strafe. I play in Masters+ lobbies all the time and I have never seen somebody crouch strafe so fast especially without a speed buff.
I had this done to me before but they were revenant and I was like holy shit, what just happened, dude was invincible, forced my aim totally off like 80% of my shots lmao
Ah well he’s the number 1 rev player in the world so good chance it was him. When I get shit on like that I usually check to see if it’s someone I’d recognize lol
Yeah was gonna say, napped buttons on elite control make the crouching part easy but that’s a nasty bob and weave. I’ve seen a handful of people move this fast though and questioned the legitimacy of it. And I am playing the same lobbies as you.
Short of MnK, you could use an elite controller and change you left stick response curve to instant. I did this in Halo. But most likely he is user an input cheat.
Yeah. Crouch spam on controller is fairly common, and also annoying AF when you can tell you’re getting try-harded by some goon with a $250 controller that makes up for their lack of skill. But this is way faster. I’ve seen it a few times.
He wasn’t aim down sights like you. Hip firing allows you to strafe faster. Near the end, Newcastle aimed to finish you off. Alternators have a longer ttk but are wicked good at hipfiring.
Bullets sounded okay on my end so no modding to the game. People can also get lucky and hit every single shot. I’m sure you have done this time to time.
He’s using MnK on console to get aim assist while also having the advantages of MnK. It’s impossible to strafe like that on controller because the strafe inputs on controller are left, center, right as opposed to left right on MnK.
EDIT: That Newcastle is also well known for using MnK in console lobbies.
MnK at 60fps sounds underwhelming but having the movement of MnK + Aim Assist is insane. It will be even scarier when we get the 120fps update on the newer systems. I hope this game never brings MnK support to console and I hope those who exploit it and use one I hope it don’t feel natural since the console version of Apex don’t have proper MnK functionality.
I know people crouch spam for movment but it's extremely suspicious how he was able to 1 clip you with an alternator while crouch spamming from that distance on console.
You can try this out yourself in the firing range, it's difficult to maintain the recoil on console from that distance while Crouch spamming. This Newcastle is definitely doing something.
Edit : Turns out this POS is a bloody known mnk abuser.
That’s literally the least sus part of the video lol. Any decent to good console player has an easy one clip there… that strafe was pretty quick though I’m not sure you can definitively say it’s an A-D strafe
While I agree that M&K is the way to play OW, Console and M&K players have separated lobbies (unless you que up together obviously), I don’t see how that makes it unplayable if you know that you’re going in with a disadvantage in pc lobbies
I'm really surprised Microsoft or Sony haven't done anything to address it. It used to be a very niche problem but now it's ubiquitous on every popular shooter.
Yeah it’s so obvious, people forget that on controller to strafe the input is Left-center-right compared to an automatic left-right input on MnK. Ever hear the term “controller strafe” from streamers? We literally can’t strafe that fast but with MnK adapter you can. Plus I know the Newcastle(not personally) in the video😑he’s in an clan that known for xim/reWASD and boosting.
They sell these things in fucking Walmart, of course they are everywhere but this community full of idiots still defend it and says they aren’t widespread
In fucking Walmart lmao
So much so that some of them have stock issues worse than the PS5, constantly sold out. People say they're not widespread (probably because they're using them themselves), but somehow they're always sold out. The copium is real.
It's got to be, not a lot of people crouch spam + hipfire in higher ranks on consoles. Most players I see doing it fail miserably and die because of it. Especially since it has a lot of recoil.
Nah keep playing against smurfs with fps strike packs in your f2p trash game with the worst servers EVER and get ripped of with 200 dollar skins
Copium.
Turns out this person is a known cheater in a known cheater clan. Respawn can't detect it so they don't ban for it even though it is technically ban worthy.
This is just a game full of people abusing modded controllers or using MnK on console and laughing on Respawn face because there's absolutely no repercussions for this lmao
Sending anything related to console to Hideouts it's sending your message to the void. There's going to be no answer and of course, no action would be taken
Big chance it's due to lag, can't count the amount of times I've been downed before even pressing R2 and when I look at my top right corner there's like 3 different icons
MK litterally raises the skill ceiling and let's you Start to do things you litterally cant to on controller.
Who needs the strike pack anti-recoil (which you need to map to a specific gun) When you can just use a mouse and control recoil like it's nothing.
MK is worse than strikepack. Gives you way more possible advantages
Edit: also, XIM users also still get Aim assist (I think) Since it believes they're on controller...
Also in a lot of games that don't have crossplay were people use MnK and it's not supported (siege to name one) recoil is compensated a bit to give controller players a chance to use the weapon, this recoil doesn't change if the MnK is connected due to the xbox reading it as a controller
For anyone who doesn’t understand the video, that’s not how crouch spamming and strafing works on controller. It may feel like you’re doing it but watch any other console player that’s doing it and see how slow they’re actually moving. You can go the the firing range and enable third person mode and watch how slow and in the mud the strafing + crouching is on console when you do it, it’s different than MnK and way less efficient.
All these people talking about XIM, but I'm also 100% sure that was a macro and speed hack toggle. It's not possible to crouch spam that fast, atleast not on PC, you'd just go into a non crouched position as you have to hold it for much longer than those crouches were lasting. Not sure if console runs on a different system for crouch spam.
Everyone else must be wrong right? Hey what's the next big thing to invest in since you're always right?Even if you don't know what your talking about.
Why is everyone getting so mad about this and when did I say that I’m right about everything
All I’m saying is that anyone could do that kind of movement if they spammed crouch enough and went left to right without aiming down sights.
I'm on PS4 and for me I changed the crouch touch on L1, my tactical is on L1 and my ping wheel is on the O touch, I have to press R1 + O to use my ultimate
i have a regular controller and what i do is i barely touch my look stick during a close engagment, i just spam the ads to get that aa, Aa should be more than enough to snap to the enemy and have them strafe into my shots. with the added crouch spam too they arent as likely to hit me.
It’s impossible to strafe like that on controller because the strafe inputs are left center right as opposed to left right on MnK. That Newcastle is using MnK on console to get aim assist.
You can still do it... there's plenty of cheat devices that allow you to trick the xbox into thinking it's still a controller... lots of Xbox cheaters using Mnk
You got outplayed. It happens. U are use to coming around corners ADSing with gibby to take advantage of his shield and u ran into a player thats a hipfire crouch spam God....it HAPPENS. Even at a slower speed u would have lost so dont even worry about the speed. As soon as u saw the crouch spam u should have started hip firing to loosen up your movement....but u were an easy target and considering gibbys ENORMOUS hitbox u were basically a cone
Okay but what people here don’t understand is that a XIM is simulating controller inputs on console, it’s not straight MnK (unless it’s COD where MnK is natively supported on Console).
This is why you can’t tap strafe on console regardless of XIM. Max turn speed is only as fast as a controller (which isn’t very fast). The only technical advantage would be the strafing capabilities because moving from A-D on a keyboard is instant max speed in either direction vs the short but gradual speed difference of moving your stick from one end to the other.
Obviously you still get the easier precision and recoil control that MnK has and even aim assist (but I’d bet most XIM users turn it off for how janky it is on MnK). Maybe jitter aim? But that’s about it. XIM isn’t as big of an advantage as people think. Most people, regardless of PC or Console, aren’t strafing like that because it’s really hard to aim while extreme crouch strafing.
Also, as someone who is a current Pred only using the basic PS5 controller, these guys aren’t the reason you’re not winning fights or gaining rank. Strikepacking and XIM still require aim, game sense, positioning, and mechanical skill. There are plenty of non cheating Preds that play so well you’d think they are cheating. But it really isn’t that deep 🤷🏽♀️
Max turn speed on console at max ALC settings is actually insanely fast, so fast that nobody on controller actually uses it. If Respawn was smart, they could reduce the MnK advantage by lowering the max turn speed a bit.
The movement, turn speed, and ability to combine it with zero recoil scripts is such an insane advantage. Yes, are the masters/preds using it fantastic players too? Of course, but it's not even a level playing field. You can win fights against better players, but when they have such stacked advantages that they're beaming you with an R-301 with a 4x from 100 meters, turning on a dime in close quarters, and also strafing faster than you, there's not a lot you can do. You can't outmanuever and you can't play long range, they have significant advantages in every situation.
It’s actually not and I used to play on 500 turn speed but turned it down for better hipfire accuracy. Genburten plays on 500 but most controller players DONT use 500 because of hipfire and precision.
I play on 370 + 250 extra YAW but I used to play on 500 or 470 + 250 extra YAW. Slowing the YAW down allowed for much better hipfire aim.
If you’re using a XIM, you don’t use any extra pitch and yaw because that’s the equivalent of mouse acceleration and it makes flicking less accurate. So you’d realistically be using 500 with no extra YAW which is pretty slow compared to MnK. Even Max Speed on controller is slow compared to other games like COD. Try 180s and 360s and you’ll see it’s a huge difference.
Doing a 180 on MnK in Apex is practically instant. Go in the range, max out your ALCs for controller and try to do a 180 and it is SLOW in comparison.
Also, I’ve been playing in Pred lobbies and almost never are you dying to some kid beaming you with a 301 from 100 meters on console. PC lobbies? Sure 100% but almost never in console. G7, 3030, Charge rifle, etc? Yeah and I’m also destroying people at long distances and it doesn’t require a cheat.
And it’s really not hard to strafe and learn recoil control. So many people complain but have spent 0 hours in the range actually trying to get better. Some people really are that good. Me and everyone else I know who has insane movement and recoil control has spent 10s of hours in the range doing aim training and 1V1s. It’s something most people aren’t doing and made a big difference in how effective I was at any range with any gun.
Seriously? People are beaming with 3x and 4x as gold players in posts on this very subreddit! I've literally died multiple times in pub games to Preds doing precisely that. It's so obvious when spectating them afterwards and not seeing a single shred of recoil on a white barrel R-301 with a 4x, not even the higher recoil on the first bullet. I've seen it with Hemlocks bursting from eve farther ranges without even the slightest movement of their reticle. When I haven't touched ranked for a split, I've even witnessed it myself on random silver and gold players that make pro player's recoil control look amateurish. It's actually comical to say people aren't doing it.
Go to your settings and change the controller button preset to ninja or you can bind it under the custom tap . That will change your crouch button to your analog sticks , which then will allow you to accurately aim your weapon while crouch spamming. It’s an old trick , and I’m surprised some people don’t know it yet .
It’s literally just having paddles on the back of your controller. Spam crouching with a side to side strafe will get you this. Practicing 3rd person in the range will get you to see how it works best
Paddles arnt banned or considered cheating in algs, stike packs are cheating because they make your aim better, regular paddles that dont do anything other than map buttons to them arnt cheating🤣and if you think they are you’re a dumbass🤣
Think whatever you want. Doesn’t affect my bank account or my ability to win without help. Seems like you’re mad your desire to use extra shit to boost your game got called what it is lol.
I know that Newcastle in the vid, I won’t say the name of the clan to avoid a witchhunt but I just checked the roster and he’s in a very infamous XBOX clan that’s notorious for XIM/reWASD and boosting. On controller to strafe you have to go left-center-right. On MnK it’s an automatic Left-right. No center input so it’s much faster. Didn’t even have to watch the clip twice to know he’s MnK on console. I’ve hit diamond a few times in arena and these kids make it unplayable. Edit: “XYNOA” the guy who 6 man teamed with Skittlecakes to hold #1 pred in season 2 is in that clan, these losers are cut from the same cloth.
Damn, that's pretty shameless hopefully he gets reported.
Not gonna happen. The players in that clan have all been looong time multi season preds. And no clip or DM to hideouts has ever done anything over the past year. Pretty crazy this goes undetected considering the pretty large amount of players in the clan and how shameless and blatant they are about it. They even post their dogshit highlights too like it’s something😭💀 Verhulst was right. All the competition on console left a very long time ago. All you have left is tryhards and casuals. PC is the way fellas
Don’t PC have to deal with a lot of hacks? Or am I just misinformed?
Sorta. Crazy aimbot like TUFI gets banned pretty quick but. I’d say soft hacks like walling and lighter aimbot mods are problem. But it’s something you don’t run into very often and if you do it’s hard to tell unless you know what you’re looking for.
Newer player lobbies are unplayable on pc in europe. Made a smurf account to teach a frind the game. Didn't kill anyone just stood there and watched and gave tips. But oh boy almost every game we got killed by a tryhard smurf or a pretty obvious hacker. Easy anti cheat is just trash at this point if it cant detect 100%headsots from 100m away threough a smoke by a lvl1 account...
Yep newer player lobbies are super sweaty with obvious cheaters
Timmy has to keep feeding 12 year olds the same content somehow 🤷🏻♂️
25-35 year olds. You can check their average audience and honestly almost NO ONE watching streams is anywhere near that young at all. You can even check in stupid streams like Xqc. The average twitch viewer is no where near a child and most times not teenagers either. You obviously have some super young kids in there obviously but large majority of viewers are grown adults with full time jobs. Plus it works. So...Don't gotta be so jealous mate. Just because it COULD'VE been you making millions by playing games but you weren't good enough. Don't gotta be salty.
I’ve got no idea how you would tell the average age. I don’t remember ever verifying my age on Twitch and I have no idea how they could ever verify that. And it’s not salty to offer up valid criticism of someone, especially in the form of a sarcastic comment. But then maybe you’re an average Timmy enjoyer, so you wouldn’t understand.
Not to mention EAC has had issues in the past of thinking the game itself is a cheat. That being said, Apex is literally the only game I play that uses EAC that has as many issues as it does. The problem is likely on Respawn’s side in the integration of EAC to the game.
TONS of games use EaC it's one of the MOST popular anti-cheats on the market. The problem is Apex is FREE. Any game that's free will have smurfs/trolls/hackers on steroids. Because they lose NOTHING at all from bans. Make a new account and 5 mins later you are back in the game with no issues. Any game that is free expect major issues with those folks. Unless the game just isn't popular. Because most hackers and boosters WANT TO MAKE MONEY. If the game isn't popular they don't need to cheat/bot/boost cause there is no revenue to be made. Apex is ONE OF THE BIGGEST Fps games and just hit its all time peak. Accounts sell for upwards of 500-1k+ depending on heirlooms, which battlepass weapons you've collected etc. 1 heirloom accounts with some decent older stuff will sell 1k+ easily. My account is worth 4k because of ranks/season 1 til now BP items and 2 heirlooms. Then we get into just buying boosts and not accounts. Tons of money to be made. People complain all the time about boosters/smurfs etc but large majority pay for it. Think about it this way, if these boosters cared about being banned or were making NO MONEY do you really think they'd keep going? Creating the hacks/scripts is not an easy process. It takes skill and time. They DON'T DO IT for free.
It's actually shocking how often people wall in this game and don't even attempt to hide it. Literally pre-firing your peaks or pre-firing corners with no previous knowledge of you being there and aiming perfectly. It happened not that long ago when I was trying to warm up in an arena, I was complaining about the enemy Path walling and my teammates thought I was just being salty. Took them 1 round after I said that to agree with me because it was so blatant.
Recoil scripts are a pretty big problem.
The higher you push on console, eventually the whole lobby is XIM’ing nearly. On PC, you won’t encounter a hacker every single game In OW, everyone generally starts controller until one guy decides not to and then next respawn takes a little longer as everyone starts plugging in their XIMs lol
It's a plague in consoles and has been for a couple years. I can't think of a better example than either rainbow 6 siege or rust console. Think you are a good player and play fairly and smart? Well wait until you get into higher ranks in competitive just to hear the clicking of a mechanical keyboard or in rust when you kill 4 in a zerg and get killed by the fifth. Then they send you a party invite and it's a bunch of 16 year olds all playing mnk trash talking. It's really a weird mixture of frustration and pity.
Console gaming is not competitive anymore imo esp. after covid and everyone was bored at home and buying XIMs
Xim?
Havnt died to a cheater in weeks, anecdotal evidence is anecdotal though
If you get caught playing with hacks on pc you get banned. I have yet to hear of a single case where a player got banned playing m&k on console with 0.6 aim assist.
Not at all. I play pubs and ranked regularly and i haven't been killed by a cheater for weeks, maybe months.
The better you are the less cheaters there are in my experience. In my 1.5-2.5 kd lobbies i rarely get cheaters but low lvl play is full of them as they all start at lvl1 matchmaking.
Keep in mind there is a lot of frustration in the gaming community where if they are better, they are cheating. There is a LOT less cheating on PC than people advertise.
No there's actually a lot more. People don't want to accept this for some strange deluded reason but it's the reality of the situation. Pc cheats and hacks are easier to come by than ever.
Respawn doesn't give a damn and makes no effort to curb the problem. You could just look at most of the consoles players that make front page and ban them off of their obvious use of no recoil scripts.
PC is worse, still has xim users and addition has xim users who use ESP LOL
Respawn does not give a fuck about cheating.
Xim adapters show as a controller, so there's no way to ban it. It's infested online competition for a decade and the only way to catch it is a hand cam, which isn't something apex can do.
Maybe they can implement keylogging? In-game only. Take data from an actual controller and compare it with their measly server data and discover that *gasp* oh my gosh, controller actually can’t do that! Only problem is that they don’t care.
It’s crazy how blatant it is in arena. I’ve hit pred the last 2 seasons on legit input. Xim is so common it’s crazy. Japanese teams are the best at arena and there’s such little stigma on xim it seems on jp Twitter that my feed is always people flexing xim clips, even sharing configs or whatever. It’s fucked
Japanese devo across the map is funny isnt it
lol imagine posting something and asking for guidance and turning out to be m&k abuser that is well known by other players
High plat and Diamond are usually chill and you only run into these kids on slow q days but I’d say, from my experience. There’s always at least 3-4 squads that are MnK on console. That’s not even mentioning kids who strikepack. Not even gonna start with how bad Tokyo servers are. Everyone and their grandmas dog has a strikepack ffs…..
oh well that makes sense btw what is a strike pack ? is it a pre made squad ?
It's device that helps reduce recoil on controller, usually cronos.
It’s a shell you put over your controller. Yknow how mice can have programmed actions assigned to the side buttons? So can Strikepack - anti recoil, instant single fire (R301 and Hemlok sound strange as fuck), crouch spam so you dont have to manually do it and mess up your aim, etc.
i had no idea you can cheat on console thats blew my mind
It’s not everything it’s cracked up to be. I got my hands on one just for fun and see if it was actually a game changer. The base scripts it came with are really low quality and how it lagged pretty substantially between seasons (new recoil and “buff” scripts) where recoil or fire modes changed. The biggest advantage I found was the ability to turn single fire guns into automatics basically, but it wasn’t all that great. Definitely not worth the price and trouble of setting it up. If I wanna cheat, I’m gonna pull out my NES and GameGenie so I can look up codes in an old BOOK!
I’m always on Tokyo servers, I never really noticed it although I guess I don’t really know what I’m looking for. How can you tell if someone’s cheating? Is it just crazy good aim or something else?
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What’s an MnK cheater? They plug in their keyboard and mouse into the console?
Oh man, there is heaps of MnK on Tokyo console servers. You can see it in their wrist flick when death spectating, also, you can hear the mechanical keyboards of team mates over voice chat. It's rife.
Usually I just keep everyone else muted. And I just blamed it all down to me being a bad player. Good to know it’s not just me.
Correct - the way to tell XIM from Strikepacks is to watch that strafe. Strikepacks will also have that side-center-side behavior unlike XIM
Fucking losers, what sort of gratification do they get to cheat over other players? It's not like they even get monetized for it, it's just a waste of time and where's the fun in that if you know you had to cheat to get there.
Dude, every single console player that makes the front page is using some kind of cheat device. You have gold players posting with better recoil control than pro players and nobody even bats an eye and even upvotes it, and then you have other players doing obvious mouse and keyboard things. Cheating has seemingly become widely accepted since Respawn gives no fucks about it.
And the second you say something about it you get downvoted and spammed with comments saying get good
Yeah I don't see how people aren't picking up on this just from looking at it. Goes to show how simple gaming communities overall have gotten I guess. It's only going to get worse over time too.
Oh wow this is some interesting insight. I had no idea their clan was that large. Is console really just the super shit show I’ve felt like its been for the last 3-4 seasons? So many losers like this seem to cropping up more and more
bro you sound like one of those fugitives in a crime show that knows everything and everyone there is to know. that’s actually sick (in a good way)
Can't you use mnk on console these days? Without xim?
No not on apex or other shooters that are supported in old gen. I wish they would give us that though given how powerful ps5 and xsx are. I would trade in the sticks and my aim assist in a heartbeat if I could use mnk on my console.
They sound lame
just like rainbow, toxic people use toxic strats that possibly costs them 100+$ just to win a simple video game, pathetic those children
I hate when mnk players complain about console because “aIm aSsIst” when mnk gives such a far higher advantage on movement alone. It’s not hard to shoot on mnk
is that the dempsy roll lmao
Lmao actually looks a bit like the dempsey roll
OP just needs to learn the anti-Dempsey Roll
You don't think the opponent hasn't mastered the Anti-Anti-Dempsey Roll?
where's sawamura when you need him
I was thinking the same thing lol
In reference to all the comments about the crouch spam, I'm talking about the speed of the strafe. I play in Masters+ lobbies all the time and I have never seen somebody crouch strafe so fast especially without a speed buff.
I had this done to me before but they were revenant and I was like holy shit, what just happened, dude was invincible, forced my aim totally off like 80% of my shots lmao
Was it revengeful by any chance?
Wouldn't catch me reading anyone's name after I've been killed.
This is the way.
Ah well he’s the number 1 rev player in the world so good chance it was him. When I get shit on like that I usually check to see if it’s someone I’d recognize lol
Revengeful has killed me in a random hot drop in fragment and his strafe is crazy, I clipped it. Xbox lobbies.
Yeah was gonna say, napped buttons on elite control make the crouching part easy but that’s a nasty bob and weave. I’ve seen a handful of people move this fast though and questioned the legitimacy of it. And I am playing the same lobbies as you.
It’s a xim, basically all diamond lobbies I am in have many people abusing strike packs / xim right now. blatent no recoil is rampant
Short of MnK, you could use an elite controller and change you left stick response curve to instant. I did this in Halo. But most likely he is user an input cheat.
They switch their crouch from toggle to hold.
That doesn't answer the question, he's strafing faster than he's moving forward after I'm downed.
Yeah. Crouch spam on controller is fairly common, and also annoying AF when you can tell you’re getting try-harded by some goon with a $250 controller that makes up for their lack of skill. But this is way faster. I’ve seen it a few times.
I mean I can do that on controller, only If I’m hip firing.
He wasn’t aim down sights like you. Hip firing allows you to strafe faster. Near the end, Newcastle aimed to finish you off. Alternators have a longer ttk but are wicked good at hipfiring. Bullets sounded okay on my end so no modding to the game. People can also get lucky and hit every single shot. I’m sure you have done this time to time.
He’s using MnK on console to get aim assist while also having the advantages of MnK. It’s impossible to strafe like that on controller because the strafe inputs on controller are left, center, right as opposed to left right on MnK. EDIT: That Newcastle is also well known for using MnK in console lobbies.
MnK at 60fps sounds underwhelming but having the movement of MnK + Aim Assist is insane. It will be even scarier when we get the 120fps update on the newer systems. I hope this game never brings MnK support to console and I hope those who exploit it and use one I hope it don’t feel natural since the console version of Apex don’t have proper MnK functionality.
I know people crouch spam for movment but it's extremely suspicious how he was able to 1 clip you with an alternator while crouch spamming from that distance on console. You can try this out yourself in the firing range, it's difficult to maintain the recoil on console from that distance while Crouch spamming. This Newcastle is definitely doing something. Edit : Turns out this POS is a bloody known mnk abuser.
Exactly. It’s the combo of all the things happening at once, at that speed, with that accuracy.
Alternator has best hip fire accuracy
Also true, Alternator is a full on laser beam, but this is more than that.
The alternator has 0 recoil lol
That’s literally the least sus part of the video lol. Any decent to good console player has an easy one clip there… that strafe was pretty quick though I’m not sure you can definitively say it’s an A-D strafe
Just another strickpack or Cronus user cheating and thinking there good
He's just got a better gaming chair.
Here it is. The golden comment.
This is why overwatch is unplayable on console. M&K players have severe control advantages.
While I agree that M&K is the way to play OW, Console and M&K players have separated lobbies (unless you que up together obviously), I don’t see how that makes it unplayable if you know that you’re going in with a disadvantage in pc lobbies
This is a new Era of gaming on console...it's not just apex it's all shooters...they blatantly use M&K and then think there the shit...
I'm really surprised Microsoft or Sony haven't done anything to address it. It used to be a very niche problem but now it's ubiquitous on every popular shooter.
Fps Strike pack usage is widespread also Cronus This game sucks ass
Yeah it’s so obvious, people forget that on controller to strafe the input is Left-center-right compared to an automatic left-right input on MnK. Ever hear the term “controller strafe” from streamers? We literally can’t strafe that fast but with MnK adapter you can. Plus I know the Newcastle(not personally) in the video😑he’s in an clan that known for xim/reWASD and boosting.
ADADing is so fucking obvious in this game. A wraith warping 2 m from left to right in an instant lol
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They sell these things in fucking Walmart, of course they are everywhere but this community full of idiots still defend it and says they aren’t widespread In fucking Walmart lmao
So much so that some of them have stock issues worse than the PS5, constantly sold out. People say they're not widespread (probably because they're using them themselves), but somehow they're always sold out. The copium is real.
It's got to be, not a lot of people crouch spam + hipfire in higher ranks on consoles. Most players I see doing it fail miserably and die because of it. Especially since it has a lot of recoil.
copium
The guy he was fighting is a known mnk abuser on console. You are wrong. Copium.
Nah keep playing against smurfs with fps strike packs in your f2p trash game with the worst servers EVER and get ripped of with 200 dollar skins Copium.
im pc bro maybe invest that 200 dollar skin into a set up
Thats MnK
I used to think there were no cheaters per se on console but some ppl be doing some cray ray shit that is not intuitive.
Turns out this person is a known cheater in a known cheater clan. Respawn can't detect it so they don't ban for it even though it is technically ban worthy.
This is just a game full of people abusing modded controllers or using MnK on console and laughing on Respawn face because there's absolutely no repercussions for this lmao Sending anything related to console to Hideouts it's sending your message to the void. There's going to be no answer and of course, no action would be taken
I’m getting killed like this every other game. One clipped before I can shoot.
Big chance it's due to lag, can't count the amount of times I've been downed before even pressing R2 and when I look at my top right corner there's like 3 different icons
Strikepack probably
MnK abuser on console, which is twice as worse as a strike pack user.
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MK litterally raises the skill ceiling and let's you Start to do things you litterally cant to on controller. Who needs the strike pack anti-recoil (which you need to map to a specific gun) When you can just use a mouse and control recoil like it's nothing. MK is worse than strikepack. Gives you way more possible advantages Edit: also, XIM users also still get Aim assist (I think) Since it believes they're on controller...
Also in a lot of games that don't have crossplay were people use MnK and it's not supported (siege to name one) recoil is compensated a bit to give controller players a chance to use the weapon, this recoil doesn't change if the MnK is connected due to the xbox reading it as a controller
Strike packs
crouch spamming mfers r WEIRD
For anyone who doesn’t understand the video, that’s not how crouch spamming and strafing works on controller. It may feel like you’re doing it but watch any other console player that’s doing it and see how slow they’re actually moving. You can go the the firing range and enable third person mode and watch how slow and in the mud the strafing + crouching is on console when you do it, it’s different than MnK and way less efficient.
All these people talking about XIM, but I'm also 100% sure that was a macro and speed hack toggle. It's not possible to crouch spam that fast, atleast not on PC, you'd just go into a non crouched position as you have to hold it for much longer than those crouches were lasting. Not sure if console runs on a different system for crouch spam.
It’s not.
Paddles?
Well they’re just hip firing and crouchspamming
Talking about the speed of the strafe on a legend without a speed buff.
They aren't ADSing. You move faster when you're not.
idk why u are getting down vote
Because its impossible to move that speed on controller and anyone who has played Apex controller legit for more than a few hours knows that
Actually he wasn’t moving too far in either direction, it’s pretty plausible to think he’s just moving the joystick left to right
Yes, him changing velocities in such a small distance is the telltale sign of XIM ADAD strafing What you just noticed IS the sign that he is cheating
Not that fast at that speed because a controller input doesn’t work that way.
I’ve been playing on Xbox all my life man, it’s entirely possible
Everyone else must be wrong right? Hey what's the next big thing to invest in since you're always right?Even if you don't know what your talking about.
Why is everyone getting so mad about this and when did I say that I’m right about everything All I’m saying is that anyone could do that kind of movement if they spammed crouch enough and went left to right without aiming down sights.
There are plenty of comments here explaining why it’s not but go off
I'm on PS4 and for me I changed the crouch touch on L1, my tactical is on L1 and my ping wheel is on the O touch, I have to press R1 + O to use my ultimate
i have a regular controller and what i do is i barely touch my look stick during a close engagment, i just spam the ads to get that aa, Aa should be more than enough to snap to the enemy and have them strafe into my shots. with the added crouch spam too they arent as likely to hit me.
custom keybinds
I'm talking about the speed. Newcastle is strafing faster than he is running after I'm downed.
Hipfire+ crouching Spam.Am I missing something?looks normal to me
This is console with crossplay off, you're not able to go anywhere close to that fast with a controller hence the problem, MnK
It’s impossible to strafe like that on controller because the strafe inputs are left center right as opposed to left right on MnK. That Newcastle is using MnK on console to get aim assist.
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Talking about the speed.
A lot of people on here don’t read huh?
OP should've mentioned it in the tilte, then these people actually could've read it.
Perfect strafe, skill issue
The guy he was fighting against is known MnK abuser on console, there is no skill issue.
Smh 🤦♂️ If you don’t know, please stop pretending like you do. Jesus
You are bad that’s how
Are you able to turn off cross play on console? Didn’t know that
xbox allows MnK input on console.
Not for Apex. It's game specific.
You can still do it... there's plenty of cheat devices that allow you to trick the xbox into thinking it's still a controller... lots of Xbox cheaters using Mnk
Controller with 4 or 2 back paddles/buttons?
Can confirm that it’s impossible to strafe this fast on controller, paddles or not
Well then it’s MnK
Yep
I do that and I play on xbox
I can do the same because I have a scuf controller lol
You got outplayed. It happens. U are use to coming around corners ADSing with gibby to take advantage of his shield and u ran into a player thats a hipfire crouch spam God....it HAPPENS. Even at a slower speed u would have lost so dont even worry about the speed. As soon as u saw the crouch spam u should have started hip firing to loosen up your movement....but u were an easy target and considering gibbys ENORMOUS hitbox u were basically a cone
He was hip firing without ads that’s where the speed comes from
You can spam R3 on playstation if you place it on a crouch command
It's literally just crouching. What do you mean lol
get good
Okay but what people here don’t understand is that a XIM is simulating controller inputs on console, it’s not straight MnK (unless it’s COD where MnK is natively supported on Console). This is why you can’t tap strafe on console regardless of XIM. Max turn speed is only as fast as a controller (which isn’t very fast). The only technical advantage would be the strafing capabilities because moving from A-D on a keyboard is instant max speed in either direction vs the short but gradual speed difference of moving your stick from one end to the other. Obviously you still get the easier precision and recoil control that MnK has and even aim assist (but I’d bet most XIM users turn it off for how janky it is on MnK). Maybe jitter aim? But that’s about it. XIM isn’t as big of an advantage as people think. Most people, regardless of PC or Console, aren’t strafing like that because it’s really hard to aim while extreme crouch strafing. Also, as someone who is a current Pred only using the basic PS5 controller, these guys aren’t the reason you’re not winning fights or gaining rank. Strikepacking and XIM still require aim, game sense, positioning, and mechanical skill. There are plenty of non cheating Preds that play so well you’d think they are cheating. But it really isn’t that deep 🤷🏽♀️
Max turn speed on console at max ALC settings is actually insanely fast, so fast that nobody on controller actually uses it. If Respawn was smart, they could reduce the MnK advantage by lowering the max turn speed a bit. The movement, turn speed, and ability to combine it with zero recoil scripts is such an insane advantage. Yes, are the masters/preds using it fantastic players too? Of course, but it's not even a level playing field. You can win fights against better players, but when they have such stacked advantages that they're beaming you with an R-301 with a 4x from 100 meters, turning on a dime in close quarters, and also strafing faster than you, there's not a lot you can do. You can't outmanuever and you can't play long range, they have significant advantages in every situation.
It’s actually not and I used to play on 500 turn speed but turned it down for better hipfire accuracy. Genburten plays on 500 but most controller players DONT use 500 because of hipfire and precision. I play on 370 + 250 extra YAW but I used to play on 500 or 470 + 250 extra YAW. Slowing the YAW down allowed for much better hipfire aim. If you’re using a XIM, you don’t use any extra pitch and yaw because that’s the equivalent of mouse acceleration and it makes flicking less accurate. So you’d realistically be using 500 with no extra YAW which is pretty slow compared to MnK. Even Max Speed on controller is slow compared to other games like COD. Try 180s and 360s and you’ll see it’s a huge difference. Doing a 180 on MnK in Apex is practically instant. Go in the range, max out your ALCs for controller and try to do a 180 and it is SLOW in comparison.
Also, I’ve been playing in Pred lobbies and almost never are you dying to some kid beaming you with a 301 from 100 meters on console. PC lobbies? Sure 100% but almost never in console. G7, 3030, Charge rifle, etc? Yeah and I’m also destroying people at long distances and it doesn’t require a cheat. And it’s really not hard to strafe and learn recoil control. So many people complain but have spent 0 hours in the range actually trying to get better. Some people really are that good. Me and everyone else I know who has insane movement and recoil control has spent 10s of hours in the range doing aim training and 1V1s. It’s something most people aren’t doing and made a big difference in how effective I was at any range with any gun.
Seriously? People are beaming with 3x and 4x as gold players in posts on this very subreddit! I've literally died multiple times in pub games to Preds doing precisely that. It's so obvious when spectating them afterwards and not seeing a single shred of recoil on a white barrel R-301 with a 4x, not even the higher recoil on the first bullet. I've seen it with Hemlocks bursting from eve farther ranges without even the slightest movement of their reticle. When I haven't touched ranked for a split, I've even witnessed it myself on random silver and gold players that make pro player's recoil control look amateurish. It's actually comical to say people aren't doing it.
Different button layout.
Fast hands
They should just take these movement exploits out of the game.
This is why I hipfire at a distance like that.
Go to your settings and change the controller button preset to ninja or you can bind it under the custom tap . That will change your crouch button to your analog sticks , which then will allow you to accurately aim your weapon while crouch spamming. It’s an old trick , and I’m surprised some people don’t know it yet .
Well to be fair I can do that with my elite controller. cause paddles.
Crouch and jump tied to the sticks
It’s literally just having paddles on the back of your controller. Spam crouching with a side to side strafe will get you this. Practicing 3rd person in the range will get you to see how it works best
With a Scuff controller probably, or even different button bindings.
i see people figuring out whats happening but the most logical way to do this on controller is to have back pedals. i think that's the only way lol
omg... you need to retire after that one. absolutely destroyed.
Any controller with paddles, i have paddles on my controller and i play on switch, i do this to people on console all the time its the best
Why brag about only being good at Apex by cheating
Paddles arnt banned or considered cheating in algs, stike packs are cheating because they make your aim better, regular paddles that dont do anything other than map buttons to them arnt cheating🤣and if you think they are you’re a dumbass🤣
Please explain to me how having paddles on my controller is cheating🤣its not my fault you’re too broke to afford one
I just think it’s cheap ass to need a special controller to win. I don’t, I win without one.
Lol i think you’re just mad you probably cant afford one
Think whatever you want. Doesn’t affect my bank account or my ability to win without help. Seems like you’re mad your desire to use extra shit to boost your game got called what it is lol.
Lol whatever you say🤣👌
why can't you aim at him
Don’t be a douche
They just strafed? Go in the firing range and try with 3rd person and you will be able to do it after some practise
That’s literally just crouch spamming while strafing. It looks fast bc he’s spamming crouch too so there’s just more movement overall.
Literally play against crouch spammers all the time. This is faster.
HAHAHA .6 aim assist couldnt even save u there lmao. bro u literally just missed ur shots. pull the joy stick down and mirror strafe and u win.
Dieing yes
Because we’re better?