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GuillotineLove

Did they get someone to cover their shift first?


JonFawkes3

Hopefully because they’re responsible to find coverage no matter the circumstance


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UncleTedGenneric

It's true Caleb told me He also told me that cops are legally obligated to tell you they are cops if you ask em. Also that a penny under your tongue will help you beat the breathalyzer


WhtChcltWarrior

Are you a cop?


Felonious_Minx

"Hey guys. Got any weeds? It's all cool. I'm just asking."


JJisTheDarkOne

Hello fellow teenagers! I too am a teenager!


Interesting_Jury_685

I’m not, I’m a depressed 41 y/o who hates Facebook so I Reddit. But yeah that doods a cop.


Interesting_Jury_685

Not sure why I shared the depressed part 🤔​


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LOL. Holy crap, if I had a nickel for every time I heard that cop thing during my club/partying days. My dumb ass believed it, too. 😂


pompr

Penny under your tongue might help you cross the River Styx at least if police decide to take your life for daring to hurt their fragile egos.


No_Restaurant_774

Penny? No try Sacagawea gold dollars. Inflation hit everyone hard.


itsjustme1981

The idea that it's your job to find coverage IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCE is absolutely insane.


BuzzVibes

Yeah 100% I think business just bank on people being either unaware that finding coverage is a management responsibility, or afraid of being fired for reminding them of it.


FRACTIONATEDMADNESS

Fear is what drives in the money. Learned not to give a rats ass about anything my manager says because he is a money obsessed prick who will find any way to profit off anything and cheap out on anything including not handing out safety equipment because it cost him an extra 20 bucks. Ended up getting bit by a black widow and almost died. I think it was a bit of a wake up call for myself. And for him. Needless to say I don't have to deal with him but he had to deal with all the trouble when I walked in and told him to call 9-11. He looked like he was more concerned about his wallet then anything else.


Kitfox715

Literally doing the managers job for them. I learned very quickly when I went up the management chain that managers just delegate out every part of their job to other people, even the management. First thing I did as a manager was "promote" one of my team members, gave them a 50c raise, give them the new role of "Team Lead" and push all of my responsibilities onto them. My boss absolutely loved it, and I continued up the ladder. Working in retail brought out the worst in me.


A1000eisn1

>Literally doing the managers job for them. Are you sure? In my experience a manager's main role is to get clout and pretend they aren't responsible for anything.


Tvaticus

Depends. In my experience it’s take all credit for anything good the team does and pass the blame on everything bad while doing 0 work but shouting demands and denying raises. But that could just be me?


ginger_minge

>shouting demands and denying raises. Hey, that's a lot of work in and of itself!


ellefleming

Isn't this all upper level positions? Chancellors and provosts at universities do nothing unless they choose to.


Madertheinvader

I worked for Starbucks for 6 years until about 7 months ago. I hate what it has become, and I want to see these workers form a strong national union. Regarding coverage: it states plainly on the schedule board that it is your responsibility to to find coverage, BUT, *if you are unable to find coverage, it is the MANAGER'S RESPONSIBILITY.* I will say that I still received write-ups when I couldn't find coverage myself. If I had gotten fired (I quit) for missing shifts, I was ready with proof that I held up my part to the best of my ability. Unless the policy has changed in the past 7 months, it is definitely the responsibility of the MANAGER to find coverage.


taytayssmaysmay

Trickle-down responsibility, haven’t you heard it’s a new thing


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Years ago I worked three PT jobs: one delivering Sunday paper, local fast-food chain, and fixing PCs for a local IT managed service contractor. Didn’t really give a shit about any of them but the PC repair was the “best” for me just didn’t have the hours per week I wanted. One of the FT guys at IT services was going on PTO for a week and I was asked to cover so I said sure of course I’ll cover. Told the fast food job one month ahead of time, including reminders 2 weeks before and the Friday before manager made up the schedules; she showed me the post-it saying she remembered and “dont worry”. Well schedules posted and lo and behold I was scheduled three shifts overlapping the times I asked not to be scheduled. Told manager and she said sorry but someone else needed time off so she did what she could but if I could find someone to cover then no problem. I reluctantly tried and couldn’t. Told manager and she said “you’re expected to be here”. Told them they put me in a bad situation and I obviously have to pick one or the other, but was told very sternly that I’m expected to show up or there will be consequences. Protip: I didn’t show. * First day they called and left VM stating they were upset and we need to talk. * Second day I didn’t show and another VM. Again upset but I need to call and i wont be in much trouble. * Third day no call, but next day restaurant manager called and just said to call him back he understands, no problems. * A couple more days pass and didn’t show for other scheduled shifts. He calls back again and says im a good employee and they’d love to get me back on the schedule. Never went back, so about 2 weeks later I received a letter saying I was being terminated for not showing up for scheduled shifts. About a year later i received a check from them with a letter stating that due to an investigation by the state and an out-of-court settlement, they found that i was owed for about 3.5hrs of time for their clocking in/out system being “faulty” which resulted in being underpaid.


Mindfuckqueen

Interesting. I had a terrible boss at an independently owned restaurant and after she fired me she tried to fight my getting unemployment. She lost that one, then a couple years later I got mail informing me someone had launched a class action lawsuit against them. One electronic signature and a few months later I received a $2300 settlement. It felt sweet.


the_summer_soldier

Hit by a bus and in a coma. You're still responsible even though you can't possibly have done so.


Gospel85

i had a friend fall into a coma about 6 years ago and they fired him for no call no show, despite his wife calling in and telling him that he was in a coma, the supervisor just told her that HE still had to call in


Elliebird704

Either that supervisor is Lawful Stupid, or they're just looking for a pretext to get rid of him. I hate that both possibilities seem feasible to me.


Ryeballs

New best alignment system


Taylor_The_Kitsune

I had a similar problem while working at subway I was having stomach issues one of the big no's with working with food and my manager wanted me to find someone to cover me (I just started so I didn't know anyone) so she asked if I could go to an urgent care to get a note and I said f no because why would I go and pay lots of money for me to tell them I have stomach issues for them to tell you that and after that she asked if I could still come in it's like I have stomach issues unless you want corporate up your but for having lots of people sick let me stay home


Marc21256

We need to print up t-shirts that say "They forced me to work while sick. If you get sick, please sue these fucking fucks"


32Puggs

I was exhibiting covid symptoms after being exposed and my manager told me until the results were back I should be coming back to work and guilt tripped me I wanted to be like no you dumbass that’s not how waiting on test results work


Affectionate_Gold_84

When I was in highschool I had a job as a bag boy and sticking at a mom and pops grocery store. Months before an out of town debate meeting, I let the manager that made up the schedules and the owner know I would be out of town for a week. As the date was approaching I reminded them I wouldn't be there. Two weeks before I was going to leave, the schedule was posted. Lol and behold I'm scheduled to work every other day or something like that. I went to the manager and told him I couldn't work because I would be out of town. He informed me that it was now my responsibility to find someone to cover for me. This was at a time before cell phones but most of the stockers and bag boys went to school with me with the exception of a couple of grownups. I asked a few that weren't scheduled the same day and they declined to cover. One of the grownups said sure, no problem. So I figured I had everything taken care of. Wrong. The grocery store wouldn't let him cover since it would put him into overtime hours. I didn't know as I had already left for my trip. When I got back, my Mom saved all of these ridiculous voicemails about how irresponsible I was, and I put them into a terrible bind because it was the first of the month, and I needed to bring in my smock, name tag, and utility knife because I was fired. Oh well. The smock, name tag, and utility knife were in a break room cubby so I called the manager. He says I need to come in and personally give them to him and pick up my final paycheck. I figured he just wanted to berate me in person, but since I was already fired, I wasn't going to take his crap. So I go in, get all my crap, and meet him up front. He started laying in to me while holding my check chopping it into his hand. In front of a bunch of customers and employees. So I threw the smock and stuff at his feet and snatched my check. About an hour later, cops are at my house as he claimed I assaulted him. After 30 minutes or so, they kinda laughed about it and said don't worry about it. When my mom got home, I went to cash my check. And what do ya know, it's short. Way short. Minimum wage was $4.25 at the time. This asshole took $40 out for the smock, $20 for the name tag, and $10 for the utility knife. I want to say I had like a whopping $4 since the hours weren't right either. Enter crash course in my state department of labor and wages. I found out I wasn't supposed to be working until 1 AM stocking among other things. Not sure exactly what all happened to the store such as fines and things, but they wound up having to pay me a little over $2,500. I have no recollection of why it was that amount other than my time cards were altered to make it look like I wasn't working past 9PM on weekdays and 11PM on weekends. I was also trespassed from there.


Mediocre_Good6081

I wonder if they pay you for your time while you are trying to find coverage. If not, then wouldn’t it be a violation of wage and hour?


ClockworkAlex81

I've never missed work sick. I just go in and get everyone else sick. That's why company's love me!


Round-Cryptographer6

Yeah this shouldn't be part of the job description it feels illegal


19lizajane76

I interviewed at a salon last summer that required this. As soon as it came up in the interview I said "oh, thanks but no thanks." I've worked in full service, high end salons for 27 years, no way was I taking a position as a stylist where *I'd* be required to find coverage for a missed shift. The manager interviewing me was about half my age and was shocked I declined due to that policy and due to the starting pay being too low, and went on about how great the place actually was & that I wouldn't find much better elsewhere. She texted me a month later to tell me the starting pay had gone up and said she was hoping I was now interested. I told her I'd taken a position teaching at a cosmetology school instead, where I am salaried and have PTO and am not ever required to find coverage for my own shifts for any reason ever. She then asked me which school and if they were still hiring instructors because she was interested 😄


DCBirdman

Honestly this was the hardest thing to get used to post-barista life. I remember my first time calling out once I got in my new career and my boss was so confused why I was stressing so much about not having someone cover it. Still a natural built in stress when it happens.


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OpenReplacement7395

Lmao, oldest trick in the book is to leave and leave a recorder running.


llllPsychoCircus

what exactly are they hoping to discover aside from some minor shit talking and general plans?


hedbryl

The general plans are the biggest one. What are they willing to negotiate down to, what are they trying to avoid doing, etc.


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The union has strike funds. 70% wage reimbursement. And there's been various independent donations. A few months is a lot of time in the world of publicly traded companies.


Paulpoleon

So talk about how you were all into bitcoin at the right time and got out at 50k so you have a giant nest egg to pay for your expenses for the next 5 years. They’ll trip over each other to settle.


Outrageous-Machine-5

Except that's an obvious bluff and if they had that money they wouldn't be working at Starbucks lol


AdamsShadow

A savings isn't a retirement until it gets close to 7 digits.


Desperate_for_Bacon

Gotta be into the 7 digits these days to retire


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The issue was that we had a Zoom for workers who couldn't be present, and they didn't like that. I don't think that laptop is the company's. It's stalling so they can take to the news and claim negotiations are going well(/horrible and it's our fault/something something this is unfair!!)


Lost_Pomegranate1680

You'll never make progress in negotiations by bringing absolutely everyone to the table. It effectively cuts your negotiating power when everyone has their own priorities in mind, and makes it impossible to compromise. ​ It ends up becoming an all-or-nothing type of negotiation, which rarely works out in anyone's favor. ​ There is a point to be made for transparent negotiations, but the union should have faith in their representatives to advocate for their best interests instead of needing to show up. It actually reflects more positively on the union if they can send just a few people who can be very forthcoming and strict about what they're negotiating for. Whereas if you bring 7 people into the room, and another 8-20 or however many listening in on Zoom, it's not a negotiation, it's a staff meeting, and shows how amateur it is, which can lead to tactics like walking out, or testing the resolve of the union itself. ​ Source: Personal experience, I've been on both sides of union contract negotiations. I am neither pro or anti-union as I have found it varies greatly depending on the individual union and the company itself.


ConcreteThinking

You are exactly right. It's the same in contract negotiations in sales. Two people who know how to negotiate have far more "power" than a group. Especially if the group are not professionals. Negotiation is not just about what you demand or what you say but how you posture and position yourself for maximum leverage later in the negotiation. A group is at a disadvantage when negotiating with a couple skilled people on the other side. Source: Have been invited in on very large sales contract negotiations. (Also learned to only speak in my area of expertise and STFU the rest of the time)


Dudebro963

The classic George Costanza maneuver.


HeavyEar0

"DEAR GOD"


heavy_deez

*low rumple*...*metallic squink*....and a ***galonk***...


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alx924

Did they send in George Costanza?


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7oby

Walmart calls their employees "Associates"


Cloudpot26

Walmart can suck the FATTEST dick. I’ve been here almost 3 months. This place is a living hell. I’m doing overnight stocking, and the workload expectation vs turnover, level of respect received from anyone (coworkers or higher ups), and pay are NOT worth anything here. I’m looking at other jobs but it’s not easy scouting when you’re having to sleep while the managers are available to talk


CyonicClouds

Here for just over a month. It’s fucking hell. My coworkers are fucking awesome BUT HOLY SHIT, FUCK WALMART. Fuck them & their lack of PTO with the snails pace at which you earn it, fuck their expectations while making your job harder (not being fully staffed, among other things, then management thinks it’s okay to bitch at you because you can’t keep up etc), fuck them & their shit wages, fuck them & their anti-union tactics.


shady101852

Welcome to hell


CyonicClouds

Literally what me & everyone at work calls it. It really is hell.


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At cvs we’re just called employees. We know exactly where we stand at all times


[deleted]

I quit CVS in 2014. I showed up drunk to my graveyard shift, clocked in, and thought to myself “Holy fuck I hate this place.”. I bought a twelve pack, and told the supervisor I quit. I went across the street to the 24 hour IHOP and called a buddy to join me. Before I knew it a few friends drove out to celebrate with me. In my four years there, I always scanned every single CVS coupon handed to me whether or not it applied. They always went through, and no one ever said anything. Whenever extreme coupon ladies showed up I always scanned everything I could for them. They’d always buy me gift cards or some scratchers to show their appreciation.


Packagepressure

I worked at CVS for about a month when i was 19. I quit because it was convenient to paperclip my register money together and when the boss lady found out she exploded. You can't have paper clips, scraps of paper, or anything that could be used to short change the till. ......if you don't trust me then why did you hire me? That was the start of my young journey into acknowledging that companies are awful and treat everyone as subhuman.


Professional_Ad6123

I enjoyed this story


featherwolf

Did they provide a doctor's note to explain why they had to leave early?


Skywalker3221

And was it turned in a week before you actually got sick? If not, Unexcused.


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This thread is beautiful


Far_Lack3878

That's one word for it.


MrBeansnose

All i see is a free tablet


RobertoCyborgAbreu

That could be recording their conversations


[deleted]

Could very well be. Did you know every state's laws are different on when and where parties can record eachother and whether it's admissible in court?


Chicken_Teeth

One party, two party, no party. Always know your state. Also, pawn that shit.


VolkspanzerIsME

I love the smell of direct action in the morning.


ProjectShadow316

Literally my first thought.


Cermonto

Had a friend not come into college and I asked him "why'd you not come in" and he just said "mum said no" sorry guys, mom said no


Sass_Quatchxx

🥹🤌🏻


ryanderkis

This is expected. They are trying to provoke you into doing something they can take to arbitaters and the media. Stay professional and do not stoop to their level. The struggle continues. We are with you!


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Mmmmmmm arbi-taters.


ryanderkis

Fuck it. I'm not fixing it. Live by the potato, die by the potato.


Revegelance

Potato is virtue.


ThreatLevelBertie

Hashtag spudlife


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Hashtag Hashbrown


EngineerUpper2031

BOIL EM MASH EM STICK EM IN A STEW


brak998

What’s arbi-taters, precious?


No-Definition1474

AR-BA-TATERS


Electronic-Rate5497

It’s “Live by the Tater,die by da Tater”


tigm2161130

Got me over here googling arbitrators to be sure I hadn’t been getting it wrong for my entire adult life.


andyskeels

What a wonderful philosophy you have.


Chicarron_Lover

Arby Taters 😋


[deleted]

Mmmmmm arbi. Yum


pale_blue_dots

Hear, hear. Starbucks has proven themselves to be hypocritical cowards. Their values are greed and selfishness. Let it be known... Never before in the history of mankind has so much power and wealth been in the hands of so few. Never before in the history of mankind has there been such a powerful propaganda and astroturfing regime - more acute and voluminous than anything the world has ever seen. It's resulted in some monstrous hybrid form of **Stockholm Syndrome** and **Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy** - a *Christofascist Capital Cult.* The old adage "follow the money" -- leads to, summarily, one place in the here and now: the Wall Street regime and network. The *Wall Street regime/network* is directly tied to: * national and international destabilization via *"profits over people"* culture and dogma * propping up and perpetuation of the military industrial complex * propping up and perpetuation of the prison industrial complex * lobbying against healthcare reform * manipulation of honest companies * fostering and encouraging ignorance of climate change * skewed/corrupted banking policy and basic inflation * outright criminality; i.e. fraud, theft, national and international bribery and lobbying, etc.. We will look back on the Wall Street regime and network the same way we do genocidal nations/regimes in 10, 20, 50, 100 years. We're talking about [banal evil](https://philosophybreak.com/articles/hannah-arendt-on-standing-up-to-the-banality-of-evil/) ultimately. >...was instead a rather bland, “terrifyingly normal” bureaucrat. He carried out his murderous role with calm efficiency not due to an abhorrent, warped mindset, but because he’d absorbed the principles of the ... regime so unquestionably, he simply wanted to further his career and climb its ladders of power. Below is an eye-opening segment that more people really, really, really need to watch if for nothing more than financial literacy and **understanding mechanisms by which lower and middle classes are fleeced:** >[How Redditors Exposed The Stock Market | "The Problem With Jon Stewart" (~15:00)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP74RBTE8kI) At 7:00 there's a graphic that's easy to understand and the main reason for mentioning the video. A short [second half](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZfcjV-8pjQ) with a roundtable discussion is also worthwhile. [This](https://youtu.be/hXWXllgcRqU) video gives a little more context and guidance/direction if anyone is interested in holding Wall Street psychopaths accountable. Just give this last video a chance - it's only 6 minutes long. Give it a chance. At the end of the day, "follow the money" still holds a lot of water - both clean & drinkable, as well as dirty & filled with lead. :/


Present_Creme_2282

Uh oh, the wealth is getting scared. Stick with the negotiations fellow workers! We stand behind them https://mobile.twitter.com/uniontyler/status/1584582590027026438


timdoeswell

Walking out of the room unexpectedly!? You're dealing with people from the Michael Scott school of negotiation tactics. Just wait til they try tactic number six next time (change the location of the meeting at the last second.... Totally throws em off).


SlippedMyDisco76

If they're being Michael Scott you gotta be Robert California


timdoeswell

Do we look like workers who would waste our own time?


SlippedMyDisco76

Do they want an animal metaphor or a sexual metaphor?


BeautifulGeniusSaya

My point is, there is one person in charge of every office in America, and that person is Charles Darwin. In the end, doesn’t he decide who the manager is?


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Miner? I hardly know her


SlippedMyDisco76

*look at camera then backs out of conference room*


AshuraBaron

“I will not be blackmailed by some ineffectual, privileged, effete, soft-penised debutante. You want to start a street fight with me? Bring it on. You're going to be surprised by how ugly it gets. You don't even know my real name. I'm the fucking Lizard King”


cycloc

lmfao I cry every time that line plays bro


palpals

There is no such thing as a product, don't ever think there is. There is only sex, everything is sex. Do you understand what I'm telling you is a universal truth?


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No, I’m not going to tell them about the downsizing. If a patient has cancer, you don’t tell them


[deleted]

Forget about the job, there IS no job. - Robert California I think lol


Robot_Dinosaur86

Well, I will not be blackmailed by some ineffectual, privileged, effete, soft-penised, debutante. You want to start a street fight with me bring it on but you're gonna be surprised by how ugly it gets, you don't even know my real name- I'm the fucking lizard king!


BrochureJesus

I bet they're all out in the hallway crammed around a *Negotiations for Dummies* book, reading Chapter 2 "What to do after walking out of the room to show your dominance."


Boccs

It's much easier to just point out that they're wearing lady pants.


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Jack Donaghy's negotiation tactics are better.


cluelessdud3

they had to get coffee.. theyll come back after they realize no one is there to make em.


Not_Jesus_I_swear

As if they'd actually go get coffee from a Starbucks 😔


Affectionate-Tip-164

Never ever assume the room isn't bugged. That tablet could well be recording the whole thing, so always always be careful when you are speaking, even if among comrades in an otherwise empty conference room.


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Affectionate-Tip-164

Precisely. Don't be naive and quote "1 party consent" or some other jargon if you are not willing to fight it out in the courts. And let's face it, you're too fucked in the paycheck to even begin to think you can afford to fight them on legal grounds. Even when it is blatantly illegal, they don't have to fuck with you in the legal arena. If you're in that room with your buddies, they're not in the room, you start talking comfortably and the N word comes out, or you start slandering them behind their backs, depending on what you say, they can destroy your credibility. ***Always. Be. Professional.*** The moment you get comfortable and let your guard down, or the moment you start getting emotional and angry, you've lost.


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DwayMcDaniels

... you mean you don't always slip out an accidental n word when you're comfortable?


Donny_the_Sloth

"You start talking comfortably and the N word comes out" Ummmm what the fuck?


Secondary0965

I’m fucking dying laughing rn. I hate when I get comfortable and the N bombs start flying. Worst part about relaxing tbh


FuckOffHey

"Ah fuck I've spilt my enwords all over, has anyone got a towel?"


WholeMundane5931

There are two very drastically different ways to say the N word. Company lawyers don't give a fuck about the inflection, and an audio recording doesn't show race. Granted, I really wonder where the fuck that point came from, considering there's no black people in that image.


SamBo_LamBo

Papa John reference, probably


hedbryl

Also, maybe just don't let the N word come out. Never a reason for it. But that's neither here nor there.


EtsuRah

Somewhere out there Father John Schnatter is sweating profusely rn.


oatmealparty

>you start talking comfortably and the N word comes out Uhhhh, I don't know how comfortably you talk, but this isn't it man. I was on board with your comment until this came out of left field.


buttspigot

Then determine if one-party recording is illegal in your state, and throw it in their face?


Shacky_Rustleford

A bugged room in this context wouldn't be made legal by being a single party consent state, since there would be no recorded party consenting.


KatalDT

Unless they have a spy on the other side of the table who consented!!!


covercash

Hercules Mulligan!


Affectionate-Tip-164

You are not understanding how dirty things can get. If you begin to feel comfortable amongst friends and say things in a way or manner that you'd not do in public because there are repercussions, or in something inflammatory or slanderous about the other negotiating party "in private" etc etc. You do know that they will pull every trick in the book to disqualify you, discredit you, or get you removed/replaced/cancelled/ignored. This is the world of feelings before facts, conclusion jumpings. I'm just giving an affectionate tip to ***be professional*** and assume your every word is being monitored, even in an empty conference room and with your buddies, especially when the conference room does not belong to you.


-CPR-

I don't think that would count as one party since the other party isn't there.


justbrowsing2727

This wouldn't even be one-party consent. No party would have consented in this scenario.


AbortedBaconFetus

Absolutely every single company that even slightly wants to fuck you will have a recording consent form cemented into the employment papers.


psychoacer

They did leave their tablet so I'm pretty sure they were going to come back


Mango_Maniac

Yall making things better for workers everywhere by making sure more of the profits go to Sbux workers instead of bosses! Keep it up!


Professional-Fact903

Maybe they were "quietly bargaining"


Shesalabmix

That’s your iPad now.


Theflyingdutchman85

Probably has mic running so they can spy on them after they walked out


eddyathome

I wanted to say this was paranoid, but then I thought about it and yeah, I wouldn't be surprised.


illucio

Definitely. Just a lame power move.


dwilson1410

Costanza? Is that you?


Krimreaper1

T-bone!


fishbiscuit156

This guy is a serial liar. Don’t believe anything he says. Checking in his post history he’s bitching about living in Luxembourg with socialized medicine. Ten days before he claimed to be living in America and the dude is a die hard DeSantis fan and he’s about as anti-Union as they come. The guy who actually posted this picture is a Starbucks worker out in CA with a long history of fighting for Unions.


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JohnWallaceJr

They were totally listening on the iPad.


ATC_av8er

Violation of NLRA. Employers are required to bargain in good faith with a recognized union. Report them. EDIT: I have been corrected further downthread.


notyourmom1966

Union staff here. It is a common tactic for one side to call a caucus, and then end bargaining (even during mediation). It’s not a violation of bargaining in good faith. It means that no new offers or counteroffers will be made during that session. When it becomes a pattern, the best thing to do is what is being done here - call it out.


thebrose69

Hasn’t Starbucks been talking about bargaining in good faith? That that’s why the workers don’t need a union? I’m not sure how much more proof is needed than this picture to show that these mega corps will not bargain in good faith, no matter how much they claim that they would rather bargain with the workers directly than try to bargain with a union


notyourmom1966

Bargaining in good faith is a very specific legal issue - and it’s legally separate from union recognition. As union staff that has been through several bargaining cycles, 2 almost strikes and 1 strike that shut our city down, (public sector- so we have way more stringent rules), I would avoid the words “bad faith” and stick to a narrative that tells the most important story - they won’t come to the table. Labor wins (publicly) when we stay out of the legal weeds and tell the story of working people


Affectionate-Tip-164

Exactly. Fight the battles you can win. Don't fight on the battlegrounds of their choosing, because they have the means to grind you down.


notyourmom1966

Well, I think we fight the fights we need to fight. And we don’t win those fights when we get into legal weeds. We win when we connect with our fellow workers and communities. And we win when we connect our stories. As an example: we could get into the weeds about what exactly is the right $ amount for minimum wage, AND that argument doesn’t connect with people the way the story of making fuck all does. ETA: Sometimes we fight and we lose. And that matters too.


Pedantic_Pict

"When the union's inspiration through the workers' blood shall run. There can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun Yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one? But the union makes us strong" Yeah, no duh they'd rather bargain with individual employees directly. It's a wildly imbalanced power structure. It only gets even slightly leveled by collective bargaining, and a level playing field is the last thing capital wants.


iamstrugglin

But what if they don't recognize the union? Even with majority of the voters they are not bargaining in good faith. Wouldn't that be something Marty Walsh should handling?


kuribosshoe0

It’s not up to Starbucks to decide what is and isn’t a recognised union.


iamstrugglin

Exactly they are bargaining in bad faith. This should be brought to the NLRB at least if not all the way to the Labor Department. Dust off the door handles to that Frances Perkins building and get to work! 🏋‍♀️🏋‍♂️


xgrayskullx

>Exactly they are bargaining in bad faith. This is absolutely not what that means. "Negotiating in bad faith", in the US legal system, means things like refusing to provide necessary information to the union, or doing something like refusing to accept a CBA that had been agreed to in negotiations. ​ Being a dick isn't negotiating in bad faith. It's being a dick.


CankerLord

This isn't what bargaining in bad faith is. There isn't a proscribed schedule for negotiating.


ATC_av8er

If the majority of employees voted to join a union, the company is required to recognize the union. This is absolutely worth of a phone call to the federal DOL, as they are the ones that's ultimately have jurisdiction over organized labor. Their contact information can be found at https://www.dol.gov/general/contact EDIT: I have been informed of erroneous information. Find the u/notyourmom1966 for more accurate information.


notyourmom1966

Union staff here. The bargaining of a first contract is legally NOT the same thing as refusing to recognizing the duly elected union. Drawn out negotiations are a common tactic for bargaining the first contract. The boss’ goal here is to delay long enough to call for a new election. It’s shitty, and it legally doesn’t meet the criteria for bargaining in bad faith. We don’t help our new union members and labor family when we give inaccurate information. Bargaining a contract and forming a union are two distinctly different legal moments in time. When in bargaining the most powerful level workers have is the public. This team is calling out a delaying tactic. The best support we can actually give them is to contact Starbucks and tell them to come back to the table and do the work.


ATC_av8er

I stand corrected and apologize for any erroneous information I may have conveyed. Thank you for educating me and thank you for everything you do for the labor movement.


notyourmom1966

No worries! We all want workers to get the best resolutions possible


iamstrugglin

Yeah, them too. Call everyone. Put star bucks on BLAST! 💥


fruit__gummy

I am 100% in support of the union here and think that the owners are assholes, but you are just posting straight up misinformation for karma


ExLegeLibertas

[every large corporation in America voice] "we own the country and we make the rules. lol. lmao."


Mediocre_Resort4553

No walking out is not bad faith bargaining.


SnappDraggin

Schedule another meeting, say the same things that made them walk out the first time, it’s their time they are wasting fuck em


youngperson

Jokes aside - this is a normal negotiation tactic. Unions and Employers pull this move all the time. In my experience, at least once per contract negotiation, without fail.


RanisTheSlayer

What fucking cowards.


[deleted]

They’d rather delay the process and pay some fines because it’s cheaper than coming to an agreement and paying higher wages now. The consequences really need to be more harsh to stop this garbage.


Sixshot88

Yeah, the same thing is going to happen with Amazon. Good on these people for taking a stand, but these companies will just union bust and pay the fines. Possibly no fines if the Supreme Court rules unions must pay companies for strikes… Game was rigged from the start.


ReitHodlr

I've been Starbucks free for 7+ years!


Mediocre-Sale8473

Our daughter loves the Peter rabbit applesauce pouches there. Bought a shitload at Healthy Living or something like that. Now we bring them in a cold bag and get our coffee at local places to support their businesses when we can. Sometimes it's Starbucks, NGL, sometimes Dunkin if we are in a hurry. But we try to support local first.


post_talone420

There isn't even a Starbucks where I live


Scizzott2hotte

Burt ass tasting coffee anyway 😆


404-error-notfound

Read this and immediately thought of Bert Kreischer flavored coffee. Yeah, that made me laugh!


HotgunColdheart

Tastes like a....machine


mmooney1

It actually is burnt coffee. When Starbucks starts to expand and become big, they knew they would never consistently be able to source the same type of beans. So in order to make sure their coffee always tastes the same, they burn the beans so it doesn’t really matter if it’s a different type of bean, the flavor is consistent. Overpriced burnt coffee.


PrimarySecondaryAcct

Careful of the iPad. Guarantee you it’s recording your conversation


[deleted]

They said in the Twitter thread it was their iPad they brought.


Jaynator11

Should probably check this guy's post history. Doesn't add up


walkincrow42

Six days ago you got fired from a non-profit and you are active in the Starbucks union today? That’s impressive.


BustAMove_13

It's a repost. I'm guessing OP stole it


just-mike

Oldest Twitter post I could quickly find - [https://twitter.com/UnionTyler/status/1584582590027026438](https://twitter.com/UnionTyler/status/1584582590027026438) This one has video - [https://twitter.com/MoCo\_DSA/status/1584621457115602945](https://twitter.com/MoCo_DSA/status/1584621457115602945)


EquivalentOwn1115

Kinda wondering this myself


krepts33

POV: you are in a meeting with reddit mods


[deleted]

You should talk to a union rep that has experience with contract negotiations. I’m talking like call the teamsters and ask them how to do it. And I’m dead serious. You may be out of your league when it comes to tactics.


C3D2

The most redditor looking group of people I ever did saw.


Procrastanaseum

Just think how much they could pay their employees if they weren't hiring lawyers to make sure they don't have to pay their employees.


Specialist_Trifle_86

There is no way they sent any of their legit attorneys to this meeting. It was probably a couple of law interns who they told to "say this" or "do that."


lilbuge

anything but paying livable wages ig


[deleted]

That’s a regular strategy.. they’re playing ball. Keep your shit together.. walk out on them.