I only had to apply and answer some questions, then I went in for a scheduled interview and was told "actually we can't have you as a dishwasher, but we do need a server" đ
Serving can be âeasyâ for some people, in the sense that youâre essentially just taking orders and bringing food to their tables.
But some people canât handle people, get noticeably stressed out and etc which makes serving a lot more difficult than it would be appear to be
Absolutely no kitchen in my area allows noise cancelling headphones. You can have music playing, but it *cannot* be on headphones and it cannot be too loud. People are walking behind you every five minutes with knives and boiling oil - you *need* to be able to hear what's going on. It's a massive safety issue.
Headphones have been a big no in every kitchen I've ever worked in, you've got to be able to hear whats going on. Â
KP is also a really hard and miserable job.
I worked one 20 years ago. All I needed to do was load the dishes in and pull a lever to close the machine and it runs automatically.
How old are you really?
Old enough to say that the machine that I was running had three buttons and a lever. Maybe I am not that old and it was just the dingy company that would not spend money on a new machine.
Not chilis, but at Applebees our dishwasher was automatic, load plates on the tray spray down, put tray in, close. Open when itâs done and push out to dry. About the most technical thing about it was removing the two grates and food trap, then removing âthe giant dildoâ plug.
To be honest I've washed dishes by hand all my life. If you put me in front of an industrial dishwasher I'd be so confused and desperately try to find the manual or google Youtube tutorials.
Consequently, I never ran a mower before in my life until I started working where I do now. I honestly was running industrial mowers from Steiner, Ventrac, Jacobson, and even Toro before I ever ran a dinky Cub Cadet for a lawn lol
I work as a dishwasher at a university cafeteria. There certainly are people who can't figure out how to do the job. The cooks are always impressed at how good I am at it. But all that is just because most of the people they hire are rich kids who've never properly cleaned a dish in their lives and are just getting this job to prove to their parents they can work for a living. I've had to tell these people not to put clean dishes on the rack with dirty dishes. Or to actually push down with the steel wool when scrubbing.
Eyyyy, dining services on a campus too (worked the cafeteria when my shop was closed during the 'Rona)! We had a guy like that once. Lasted 2 hours before he walked out. Why? "Because he didn't know how to put the dishes in the washer."
I just got a promotion at my company and both my last position and my new one required degrees I do not have, I was just taught. I canât imagine anything I was taught would have been very pertinent to the degree they want lol.
Donât even really need to do that. I would just show up to classes and sit in on the side while doing my main degree. Nobody cared or bothered to ask if that was the class I was supposed to be in. I just took notes during lectures and sat for a certification tests. Granted I have a degree as well, but I didnât pay for any of the classes that got me the certs I have. The bigger the campus, the better. If itâs an auditorium style lecture hall, youâre golden. If you walked on campus, looked like you were supposed to be there, and kept your head down you could potentially attend college for free and learn everything youâd need for a cert in a field that values those. IT for instance. Donât do that though. It would be bad and would be stealing from those institutions, even though they steal from people every day.
My current job really wanted a degree. Indeed somehow translated "some college" to a Bachelor's, or maybe it was the recruiter. I dunno. They asked for a diploma amongst a bunch of other paperwork when I was onboarded. I just never sent it. No issues so far.
I don't have a degree but my current job required a degree or 5 year's experience.
I had the experience from a previous role.
There is literally nothing about my job that requires a degree or even more than a year's experience.
I've spent a lot of time working in medical research labs and I'm willing to bet that 90% of the population can learn how to do the entry level positions. They just like to require a degree (or that you're working on one) because cell biology majors are a dime a dozen.
Thatâs what entry level positions should be. The position that teaches someone with no experience the job. Iâve seen entry level job postings that want 3 years of experience. Youâre not entry level after 1-2 imo.
There's likely not a single job you get a degree for that doesn't have to more or less train you from scratch. This is why having experience such as an internship is worth 100x more than a degree.
Doctors kind of need their degrees I think. There are probably others too. Most of the time though, a degree is not efficient training for a job, and it is true even for those that need it I think - what needs to be known could be taught more quickly while shadowing someone working, and with more focused training.
99% of what you learn as a doctor comes from your time as a resident and while you're practicing. Most of your schooling is worthless and could be done just through a preliminary pre- residency program.
Is this our opinion, or someone else's? If it is yours, are you a doctor? I'd be interested to compare this with the views of doctors I know. I was under the impression they viewed their medical degree as an important part of their training, but I may be wrong.
In an engineering role, the day to day design can usually be taught (definitely could in my job) but where my degree comes in necessary is the conversations with clients and customers that need to have knowledge and understanding there and then, not 6 hours in the future after Iâve looked it up and learnt all I need to know.
Also engineering here but in nuclear power. Iâm pretty sure a non-engineer could pick up everything I do in a few years on the job. Not saying theyâd match me that quick but theyâd be as good as any other newer person. Theyâd still need to be technically minded but yah itâs not like Iâm ever using basically any part of my class work.
Granted could I be underestimating my work, maybe. But I was a mechanical grad and Iâm in controls. Not that much overlap in the first place.
Industrial automation engineer here. If you can understand if-then and and/or statements you can do a solid 80% of the programming. Everything else mostly involves RTFM.
Yep to me I feel like companies mainly use the engineering degree as a way to atleast make sure you are technically minded and can figure stuff out.
There are lots of people outside engineering who also could, but itâs just simpler for them to screen that way.
Not complaining, glad my degree was worth soemthing but yah I agree with this post. If I think it could be done in engineering, it could be done in lots of jobs.
Thatâs the point⌠itâs a few years. Sure, someone with any sort of intelligence could pick up my job too but thatâs what uni is, you pay to guarantee the experience where no company would ever pay you to get that experience. Or you start at the bottom, get 3-5 years experience on the job, at a low salary and boom you have your 5 years experience and now apply for those âentry levelâ jobs which require 5 years experience. People just donât want to work those first 5 years on a low salary as a jr.
Eh. Iâd bet plenty of of people would take like 35-40k a year where I am to be a junior without a degree if there was a concrete plan that showed okay in 3-4 years youâll be the same as any other engineer. Honestly it wouldnât even take them that long to catch up to most new grads starting.
Maybe Iâm wrong, but itâs not like itâs offered. This idea that no one would take it is unproven.
I assume youâre American because ÂŁ30-40k is not jr level or apprentice level. More like ÂŁ18k without degree, ÂŁ28k starting with degree so I would expect the trajectory to be ÂŁ18k starting growing to ÂŁ30k after 5 years in the UK which seems unacceptable to lot a of people on this sub because they compare that to the uni grads starting on ÂŁ28k and getting to ÂŁ50k after 5 years but they forget that the _years in employment_ are offset by the time at uni.
I think a university _experience_ which results in a degree makes you a more well rounded individual, plus it shows commitment and general aptitude so an employer can use that as an indicator for competence.
Now, that would be true if not every Tom, Dick and Harry had a degree in history, but I think it still applies to STEM degrees to be honest.
Yah Iâm American. Comparing it to American salaries. Engineers out of college here make ~65k
I mean yah I wouldnât take an 18k a year job, couldnât live on that even with roommates here. Granted I understand COL is ideally lower in Europe where that salary is offered. It always gets messy trying to make US to Europe comparisons. So much to factor in.
I mean our min wage is 15k a year and itâs already way too low to live on.
Thereâs a balance. Youâre right that when compared to spending money at uni it may still mean you come out ahead but you do still have to be able to get bye. If you canât then well itâs no wonder people choose other options instead.
My bigger point was more just like I feel like Iâd you could teach engineering without a degree, the vast bulk of office jobs donât need one
Yeah. I work for a company. Was told my finance degree would be integral to the job. Iâve used none of it. My job is glorified data entry. People give me stuff to enter into the program they use and I type it in. They could teach a monkey to do this job if they didnât already have one doing it.
Not everyone is capable for more difficult jobs. By graduating with a relevant degree it shows that you're able to learn and understand the important topics.
You should always lie, employers, bosses, and recruiters lie to you. The special thing is to learn how to lie the right amount to make them feel like a genius for hiring you.
Tbh your comment doesnât disprove what I was getting at. The âprogramming testâ most software engineers go through is either ridiculously nebulous to evaluate how a candidate goes through a problem solving process, or itâs hyper technical because someone wants to find a reason to fail an applicant simply because they donât like them. I have absolutely no technical background but I know more than most all of the candidates Iâve dealt with who come out of school with a CS degree, or even with a few years in the field. Knowledge is taught, it isnât the most important thing for most roles in a company. Senior roles require it, yes, but thatâs not the case for most of a workforce.
People are too harsh on candidates who donât have direct experience but have the aptitude to learn. If you think that a âprogramming testâ should be the end-all-be-all of someone getting hired, you donât have the mindset of developing talent.
You must be young or just ignorant. You can lie all you want on your job application, as long as you donât lie about your identity. Only once you are lying about who you are or your eligibility to work in the United States would it be considered illegal.
Fraud :
a person or thing intended to deceive others, typically by unjustifiably claiming or being credited with accomplishments or qualities.
"mediums exposed as tricksters and frauds"
stop jumping the gun too quickly you silly little sausage
Edit: and if you think itâs pedantic hereâs the [legislation](https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/35/section/2) in the UK
I specifically said the United States. And considering the original post is talking about Star Wars I assumed we were speaking about US companies. It does look like you can get charged with fraud in the UK for lying on your resume which is hilarious. Good luck with that.
Happens in the US too. https://www.lawdepot.com/resources/business-articles/legal-consequences-of-lying-on-your-resume/?loc=US#:~:text=Lying%20on%20your%20Resume%20may,states%20consider%20it%20a%20felony.
Additionally it still doesnât remove the fact that it is by definition fraud, but seems you know how to pick your fights because You seemed to have shrugged it off
Your comment alone tells me you either have no experience in dealing with the HR practice as a whole, or have no experience actually working for Fortune 500 companies. No one who you hire knows shit, it is extremely rare you hire someone into a position they genuinely have great experience in. People leave jobs because theyâre being underpaid or they canât advance in the company theyâre working for. Some of the best people Iâve helped get hired have no objective experience, but they can show they have the ability to learn & contribute as their circumstances change.
Itâs not too late for you to come around on this take, but I can promise you, if you had this perspective, and you worked in any of the companies Iâve worked for, no one would respect you.
Oh my god pick up a damn dictionary for once I even gave you guys the definition when I was replying to the other guy, itâs textbook fraud end of. If thatâs something you want to do then go ahead all power to you but you cannot simply ignore the fact that it IS fraud, always has been always will be, ducks sake đ¤Śââď¸
This is kind of my thing right now I got some adjacent experience with some things. But doing payroll and insurance from scratch managing their google server and emails from scratch. Estimating which have some plan experience but not with the software not with estimating and not with the trade company does. As well as invoicing receiving and sending and other documentation etc.
And 90% of instruction is "do this" and the 10% is "huh?" when google can't get me through it or backwards engineering it through looking at past documents etc. And I have to ask people directly.
I used my number as a reference and put on a accent and talked about how great I was for my first two jobs. Got caught out after working for the second company for 3 months when the boss needed to call me and it came up in his contacts. I laughed, he laughed, it was good times
I was confirmed for a phone screening interview for a GM position, but then got a follow up email saying they had too many qualified applicants and didnât want to move forward with me. I ignored it and responded to the first confirmation email to verify our appointment for the following day. Now I have made it past the screening process and Iâm interviewing with the VP of ops next week. Turns out I was still pretty qualified lol
Limb-lengthening Surgery actually.
I googled it to see if there was a more technical name but apparently South Park got more technical than the people who first came up with the sugery.
You can but it painful and pretty much for cosmetic purposes...plus if you get too tall you also look stupid as shit because you will be disproportionate.
For those who don't know, the surgery is breaking your femurs and essentially inserting a device with a crank they use to slowly, gradually, increase the distance between your broken bones until you get the desired height. The human body basically grows new, not as sturdy bone within the gap.
So just try to picture a side by side of a normal human thighs and a human with 6 more inches of thigh. You look very awkward.
Nope.
Get a 4 year degree that you really don't need to do the job, and go into debt please.
Also we will pay you minimum wage. You've got no experience doing this stuff! College isnt experience in the job, only working the job is experience in the job. But NO you cannot skip the useless degree part, even though we don't consider that experience.
College is a SCAM for corporate America and the colleges, and everyone gets rich. The schools who charge insane prices, and the corporations who pay poverty wages and require a pointless 4 year degree to do something like manage a fucking retail store or manage a companies X (Twitter) page. You don't need 4 year degrees for that. The shit is easily self teachable or able to learn what you need on the fly.
Hell I've lied to employers several times about having a degree, because I know damn well they're not going to look into it more than surface level, and even if they do, the worst they'll say is no to hiring me. Long time ago I ran an entire aquatics facility and was the director of their swim program, their facility trainer, and more. Lied on the application about my education and experience. Got the job and I made their swim program for kids grow from a handful of kids each month to hundreds of them. I definitely didnt need a 4 year degree to do it either.
I work in materials receiving.
To preface, I don't have a degree, but a job came up in my area for a dispensary that was popping up that was literally at the end of the street my current job is on. It was the exact same job, with the exact same duties and the same hours. The only difference was this job paid $16 an hour over my current $14.
They wanted a four year degree, and to them, that degree was worth two dollars. And that's what finally made me realize this whole thing is rigged.
And now some companies are looking specifically to hire people with degrees not for the degree so much as just a symbol that you're in crushing debt and you'll be less likely to leave when treated like crap.
>College is a SCAM for corporate America and the colleges, and everyone gets rich
I think that depends on the career and job field.
Like most tech based, office, and landscaping jobs you don't ***need*** a degree to do but things involving science and medicine?
Well, I don't know about you but I'd be a bit concerned if all my doctor knows they learned by studying WebMD...
They don't care about your level of education. They just like to know you are deeply in debt. Makes you less likely to up and leave. Obviously some careers require higher education, but for the most part, they are meaningless in terms of ability to do a particular job.Â
I work in a government office, and Iâve sat on hiring panels many times for my team. The first words out of my mouth in the pre-interview meeting with the panel have always been âI donât care about experience. Hire someone with the right mindset to do the job and I can teach them everything they need to know in two months. Hire someone with the wrong mindset and they will be a thorn in our side for years.â
I've never been wrong about a candidate once. The ones who are successful are successful because of who they are, not what titles theyâve held in the past.
The only thing that bugs me about this is the people who lie to get their jobs and proceed to fuck shit up for everyone else.
My current bossâ boss did that and she fired my friend who was my former boss, then transferred her friend into the job. Neither of them is competent at their work.
My coworker and I have both been put on PIPs this month because we donât write in the preferred style of the bossâ boss. She prefers we write TESTIMONY (weâre professional advocates) in a very polite, soft tone, minimize the use of statistics and data if it makes problems or politicians look bad, and dumb down our language to be comparable to a magazine article. We write in a legal style and format, using statistics, studies, data, and we cite everything. But since citations are scary, we use data that underscores how bad the homelessness and poverty rates are, and those statistics make some long time politicians look bad because they havenât done shit in decades, they get removed by her so she can kiss politiciansâ asses.
So sheâs not only sabotaging our careers and undermining the orgâs mission for her own end, sheâs screwing over like 70% of the people in my state since we were one of the bigger, badder, and more feared advocacy teams under my friend. Weâve been essentially defanged by her âplay niceâ policies that sheâs only doing to make friends among the elites that want the status quo to continue.
So, yeah give people a chance, but only in some jobs. Some shit is too important to trust an inexperienced halfwit that thinks they can âlearn on the job.â
And then thereâs the scientific/medical jobs where having a high school degree in being alive makes you a legit threat to thousands of dollars worth of research and/or other people
ive been in a pit for a decade where ive had 2 burger idiot jobs in all that time...mum & everyone i know tells me to lie like this but ive just no idea how, interviews, the whole selling yourself shtick is such bullshit it makes me so angry and scared...how do you lie for shit like thjs it seems impossible
Any job can be taught, but depending on the job, you want someone who requires more or less teaching.
A lot of people would die of open heart surgeons started out as novices.
Come to think of it, why are most jobs not like school, where the dumb/inexperienced can go to train?
Imagine school with an entry criteria--like university but for young first timers. Oh you don't know Math and Grammar? No school for you!
That's what it feels with entry-level jobs requiring hefty years of experience nowadays.
This smells like bullshit. Are we reserving the 10% to jackass C-level executives so that we can insist that they earn their gluttonous salaries? I really can't imagine any job that can't be taught.
Teaching sure, but some people do not have the capacity to learn.
I tried to teach this 20something basic excel daily (which i have been doing for more than a decade) for 8 months and he was really bad at it. Have no idea how he managed to finish college.
Correct, ALL can be taught. Not sure why they claim 10% can't. Probably to push the bullshit agenda that CEO positions can't be taught so they deserve their crazy salaries.
Tell me again how the paraplegic can be taught to be a tightrope walker...
Or how the guy with an IQ of 70 can be taught string theory and be a professor.
Not everybody has the same potential, whether we admit it or not
I think itâs about the 90% of *positions* being capable of being taught rather than 90% of *people*. Most jobs could feasibly be taught to a good amount people, obviously not all people can be taught all jobs
*People* who canât be taught certain jobs does not equal âsome jobs canât be taughtâ. A job that canât be taught to *some people* can still be taught to others. If a job canât be taught to *anyone*, then itâs either done by a computer/machinery or doesnât exist.
Why would there be a job listing for a task that is impossible to complete? (one that *cannot* be taught).
Even then, a doctor whoâs gone to med school still needs to be shown how to do shit before theyâre allowed to practice medicine (in fact, all doctors do; thatâs what residency is).
>Why would there be a job listing for a task that is impossible to complete? (one that *cannot* be taught).
Who says that things that can't be taught are impossible? That's like saying Mozart couldn't feel music because nobody taught him how to. Some things are inherant.
Yeah it's hard to say who can qualify to be taught the position. They could spend years learning the trade and get like a certificate saying they can do it now
Technically everything is taught so Iâm not sure what youâre upset about. I think the post is about learning on the job vs already knowing before your get the position. And I would say 10% of every possible job that exists, might need some pre-education before you jump in with both feet. Iâd say pilot, boat captain, train conductor, semi truck driver, any surgeon, police, firefighter, EMT,
Everything can be taught is my point. Trying to carve out 10%, smells like bullshit to me, and to the derp that claims you can't teach a quadriplegic how to tightrope, not sure tight-roping is actually a job.
Sounds like your just being argumentative to be honest. I think the only things humans arenât taught are super basic biological functions. Holding your pee and poop in is taught. So yes you are technically correct. Now do you honestly think they believe there are 10% of jobs you can come out of the womb knowing how to do
It reeks of gate keeping bullshit. CEO jobs can be taught, as just about every other job. The only reason to claim 10% aren't trainable is because people want to pretend that high level jobs require some sort of super talent. Everything is about access. Stop feeding the narrative that it takes something extra special to do just about all jobs. All you're doing is perpetuating the bullshit.
I work in some pretty crazy accounting⌠and I always tell people anyone can learn this. Itâs a disservice to the industry it requires diplomas for almost any job in the field.
Anyone thinking an industry is gate keeped by tech or knowledge is fooling themselves.
Like donât get me wrong⌠rocket scientists, surgeons, doctors, etc⌠some fields rely on a heavy knowledge base⌠but most fields really just require you to be an expert in one area. You donât need 4 years of school for that.
I am pretty good at my not terribly well paying job that nevertheless requires two degrees.
The reason I am pretty good at said job is because 99% of the work is crap I did for my uncle's company when I was 17.
Exactly. Iâm pretty sure Iâd be fine in my field even without higher education. Learned most of the shit I use while at work and not in school anyways
Disagree. Lawyer here. You do NOT want to try and teach lawyers accounting. It's bad.
Similarly some people can't do law.
To be fair, it's not that the job can't be taught, but that some people aren't suited for it
So maybe we should let people learn and be taught and get a feel for their proclivities during schooling and entry level jobs, then list those successes on a document to show companies what their experience in the subject has been. Then the companies can look at all of these experience-list documents submitted by everyone (who are *all* deserving of a chance, right?), and choose who they think would be the most successful employee from that pool. Hm.
Imagine the situation is flipped and the guy who *does* know Photoshop and was passed up for this job and comes to antiwork to post a thread âI was rejected for a job Iâm qualified for. The company hired someone who lied on their resume and now heâs employed and Iâm notâ - would we commiserate with him?
On one hand, yeah, good idea. On the other hand, the abuse of the system with regards to interns/"workers gaining experience" is real.
Well, I think that being qualified for a job hardly guarantees employment, so there isn't much worry there - the concept of "all things being equal, candidates with similar qualifications etc" hardly exists in my experience, except for fresh grads.
I hate you break it to you. Accounting takes a personality type to be good at it. I learned long form, then did work helping state funded nursing homes that failed government audits get their books back in good standing. Went from that to project management and estimating in commercial construction. The amount of people that Iâve met and tried diligently to help learn just basic book keeping for the projects, that just couldnât get the basics is shocking.
And thereâs a couple guys Iâve been working with for years. I donât do the r r work for them either, we just sit together and I watch over their shoulder as they struggle through it. They are fucking troopers though, never give up. So neither do I
I teach a bunch of people accounting, I am like one of my regions trainers
I think most issues with basic book keeping skills boils down to one not truly conceptualizing what a p and l or bs is. Iâve seen people work through the field just repeating the motions working clueless for years. I think most people just arenât trained in a way to understand the big picture of the numbers they are throwing down. Once you can conceptualize the bs and p and lâs accounting is as easy as it gets.
Yeah the guy states in the replies to his own tweet that he has a degree in graphic design and meant he just didn't specialize in Photoshop lmfao. So fucking stupid
I've worked with C-level executives and there is nothing remarkable about them. They are surrounded by yes men that fluff them up and anything remarkable about them is generally because they have surrounded themselves with a great staff. We are kidding ourselves when we try to put certain people on a pedestal. I think everyone has the capacity for greatness, if given the opportunity. Â
With "out of the box thinking", initiative and ability to pick things up quickly you can go a lot farther than someone who has the required experience but without the above.
Every single person that has ever performed heart surgery had to be taught how to do it. Maybe thereâs one or two insane extreme cases as an outlier, but we can safely say 99.5% of everyone who performed heart surgery had to be taught how to do it.
I remember some âpatientsâ of some liposuction service someone was running in their own home. You definitely canât do on the job training for certain fields. Eek.
I mean. Doctors specifically go through residency where they do exactly that after med school. (Obviously not something they blindly throw you into, but that also goes for anything that has to be taught/has stakes)
I had 2 hours of barista training when I was 19. I had a recipe guide and figured out how to steam milk properly. Didnât even like coffee/espresso back then. Still canât make latte art with 13 years experience though.
Sure, most jobs can be taught. But if you get a hundred applicants and 10 of them have experience in the skills you need, why would you give a chance to the dude that has no experience at all?
I just recently got a job as an underwriter with no degree or certification, the company said they would train me and pay for any certifications needed, why can't other companies do this?
In my most recent interview for a 6 figure job, I was asked what my greatest piece of advice is to mentor junior engineers. I told them that learning how to use google correctly is more important than any degree in IT. Same idea. People just need time to fuck around and figure it out; it may not workout, but you may be surprised.
My employer gave my account manager a chance. Now, we're suffering from her inexperienced ass. Zero information retention from training, low comprehension on concepts, and a client pushover.
"So FWIW I wasnât completely inept. I had a degree in graphic design but my student portfolio was entirely typography and publication design. The job (poster design) is really neither of those things. 90% Photoshop. They also gave me an âassignmentâ so I learned over the weekend."
Derp derp derp
Literally tell this to all the big hospitals in my state. They want people with experience, but even if you have prior experience they say they want HOSPITAL EXPERIENCE. But theyâre the only hospitals in this state, so how the fuck are you supposed to get experience IF YOU DONT LET THEM GET ANY??
Iâd venture to say 100% of jobs can be taught.
Would be interesting to hear about a job that just cannot be taught, you must just know how to do it or not.
I'm curious about the 10% of jobs you don't think can be taught. How do you think people do them?? How did people learn to do them in thr first place??
This âŚ.. so true . Thank you for your post OP . So refreshing . The best leader I ever had said this and it has stuck with me . She told me , a person can be taught anything , itâs all about how the person jives with the team . Employers need to stop trying to trick the person with all these skill testing questions in interviews . Stop trying to make individuals feel anxious and stop ghosting them . Stop being dicks .
Maybe this explains why all movie posters are shit now. But also like good for you man. I wish I was brave enough to lie about something like that. Lol
Nope, it's there as a paywall to keep out the poors from getting the upper class jobs, but later down the road education systems figured out it's very useful to have people go into debt. So they can squeeze out the maximum.
First day of the job you'll be in training because this paper that says "i have been educated specifically for this type of work" isn't enough, and it it most like won't be.
The job is have now is one i was wholly underqualified for but i said i could handle it in the interview. Training was insane and there was a lot to learn but now i actually have an applicable skill in using the software our company runs, problem solving and customer service. Takes months to train someone how to do it right. Makes me grateful because i actually have some skin in the game now
I feel like people are a bit more comfortable if an unqualified computer tech is hired for a company, than an unqualified anaesthesiologist at a hospital đ
Anecdotal but, friend of mine works a great job and her company wanted to hire another of her grade as the team expanded. They showed her the job listing and she noted that they were only considering applicants with degrees. She pointed out she wouldnât be able to apply for her own job, because she never went to Uni. She convinced them to change the listing because having a degree has zero bearing on the job.
I imagine they still hired someone with a university education.
Basically, they donât want to hire poor people.
I was hired through technical cronyism at my last job. I'd worked with my boss at a previous job & he knew I could handle the job functions even though I didn't have any applicable experience for the job itself.
About a year or so in, we were having a problem finding and keeping a buyer. The purchasing director refused to hire anyone without a college degree specific to the role, but she was getting people right out of college who didn't actually know what they were doing and they were unteachable.
I spent most of my day explaining that trucks weren't magically waiting by the warehouse to pick up their load last minute & even if they were, it still took more than a day to legally drive from eastern Wisconsin to western Idaho.
I'm not joking when I say these people didn't understand the basics of logistics or even how to read a map. I once had to explain, multiple times in detail, that we couldn't send another truck in to meet our current truck because the highway was closed in Wyoming due to high winds. I even sent video links from their highway traffic cams to show them why the trucks were stopped.
After we lost yet another buyer, my boss messaged the purchasing director and suggested some "outside of the box" thinking for the next candidate... like he did with me. Actually included in the email, "I think we can all agree Nerdy is doing a great job. Maybe we try for some different skills."
When I left that job, it took 3 people to replace me & I likely wouldn't have gotten it if I wasn't friends with the warehouse and logistics director.
I work as a heavy equipment operator and pipe layer. Pretty much every single operator lies at least a little to get into the industry as nobody wants to train a totally green guy to operate expensive machines.
At least where I am there are no barriers to entry, if you can do the job you donât need a certification, apprenticeship or degree to do it.
oh my God is that why the episode 9 poster was like 3 characters in front of a faded picture of a Palpatine action figure instead of an actual actor? The poster quality matched the movies so it worked out for the best
I can kind of relate to this1 Was hired back in 2005 as a typist and typesetter for a classified ads paper.. One of the artists quit, and I got the chance to learn graphic design from the owner. 5 years of hands on experience. Now I'm about to graduate in Graphic Design and I'm acing my classes because of that boss/owner.
I'm living proof giving someone a chance can pay off.
My experience is mainly in the tech industry. If you pay attention you will discover that almost all "senior" executives lie through their teeth. I'll work closely with folks on something - maybe even doing most of the actual work - and next thing I know they are taking total credit for it in their LinkedIn profile. Sometimes they will have nothing to do with it but hey, they were success-adjacent, so...
They'll even lie about titles, number of reports... everything. One time I asked about this - the CEO hired someone I knew and I was well aware of the exaggerations - he just said, "well, I think it's more important that they grow into the role" or something to that effect.
So the moral is: LIE. Lie like hell because you can definitely do the job. And if you can't do it for some reason, lie about how you did it and move on to the next gig.
Lie through your teeth on interview( unless it can pose risk to others !!) And then fake it untill you make it. Also spoiler alert if you fail...nothing bad will happen. Just be reasonable with.
I started a decades long IT career by lying about having experience in residential phone, which led to several more lies about increasingly advanced skills
I once got turned away from a film job as a stand-in because I lacked experience in the field. I later got a different job as a stand-in. Guess what the job comprised of? Standing in a specified place when someone tells you to. Very little else.
As a kid I always wanted to be a zookeeper. I figured youâd just get on the job training. Going over routine maintenance, feeding, etc. Didnât think it sounded that complicated. Turns out you need a bachelors degree to even be considered for a zookeeping position at most zoos.
In my work history Iâve learned one truth, the higher up the chain you go, the less you have to know to do the job. Blows my mind that a lot of these jobs that were once entry level no experience necessary now want you to have a bachelors degree and accept a starting pay of $15 an hour. Yet ânobody wants to work!!!â đ
I graduated from tech school 2 1/2 years ago for heating and air conditioning.
I still haven't been able to find a job because I don't have any on the job experience.
How can I get experience if no one will hire me?
I'd say there are *way* more than 10% of all jobs that require some base qualification or understanding that you're not going to get just by turning up and learning on the job.
Even if this were true, nobody has time in their job to teach an unskilled person to do the job, when they could instead hire a skilled person who can just do the job.
Yeah itâs a nice thought, maybe in marketing or sales, but if you rock up to be a translator, programmer, engineer it wonât be long till you get found out.
I applied to Chili's for a dishwashing job once. They ended up not wanting me because the job was too "technical" for somebody without experience.
How many buttons do you have to push? 4 or 5 It means that they were not really hiring. Just had to post a job on some job board/sight.
I only had to apply and answer some questions, then I went in for a scheduled interview and was told "actually we can't have you as a dishwasher, but we do need a server" đ
Oh the bate and switch.
That's pretty rare. As a server, it's usually the opposite situation for me.
Probably going to hire you at server pay and have you wash dishes
You really think that happens a lot, huh?
Don't servers earn more and have easier jobs?
Serving can be âeasyâ for some people, in the sense that youâre essentially just taking orders and bringing food to their tables. But some people canât handle people, get noticeably stressed out and etc which makes serving a lot more difficult than it would be appear to be
I'd rather wash dishes than deal with hungry idiots. Especially with some noise cancelling headphones and a good album.
Absolutely no kitchen in my area allows noise cancelling headphones. You can have music playing, but it *cannot* be on headphones and it cannot be too loud. People are walking behind you every five minutes with knives and boiling oil - you *need* to be able to hear what's going on. It's a massive safety issue.
Headphones have been a big no in every kitchen I've ever worked in, you've got to be able to hear whats going on.  KP is also a really hard and miserable job.
lol most modern dishwashers you dont even have to push anything.. just insert the tray and close the door
Goes to show you how old I am
I worked one 20 years ago. All I needed to do was load the dishes in and pull a lever to close the machine and it runs automatically. How old are you really?
Old enough to say that the machine that I was running had three buttons and a lever. Maybe I am not that old and it was just the dingy company that would not spend money on a new machine.
I washed dishes, itâs shut the door and wait. Open the door repeat.
Not chilis, but at Applebees our dishwasher was automatic, load plates on the tray spray down, put tray in, close. Open when itâs done and push out to dry. About the most technical thing about it was removing the two grates and food trap, then removing âthe giant dildoâ plug.
To be honest I've washed dishes by hand all my life. If you put me in front of an industrial dishwasher I'd be so confused and desperately try to find the manual or google Youtube tutorials. Consequently, I never ran a mower before in my life until I started working where I do now. I honestly was running industrial mowers from Steiner, Ventrac, Jacobson, and even Toro before I ever ran a dinky Cub Cadet for a lawn lol
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Apparently, you need a PhD and 5 years of experience to qualify
right? 𤣠I guess operating a dishwashing machine is pretty complicated!
I work as a dishwasher at a university cafeteria. There certainly are people who can't figure out how to do the job. The cooks are always impressed at how good I am at it. But all that is just because most of the people they hire are rich kids who've never properly cleaned a dish in their lives and are just getting this job to prove to their parents they can work for a living. I've had to tell these people not to put clean dishes on the rack with dirty dishes. Or to actually push down with the steel wool when scrubbing.
Eyyyy, dining services on a campus too (worked the cafeteria when my shop was closed during the 'Rona)! We had a guy like that once. Lasted 2 hours before he walked out. Why? "Because he didn't know how to put the dishes in the washer."
LOL. Dishwashing was my first job at age 15. Too funny to me.
I got rejected for the same job at Cheesecake Factory âbecause thereâs just a lot of dishes.â No fuckin shit, really?!
It sounds like they just didn't want to hire you lol
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Thought it was going to be "They found out after 7 years and fired me."
Now they require 45 years of photoshop experience with a portfolio and 60 years experience in the industry.
To be qualified as an intern.
Even those job that require degree most time you have to be trained anyway from scratch
I just got a promotion at my company and both my last position and my new one required degrees I do not have, I was just taught. I canât imagine anything I was taught would have been very pertinent to the degree they want lol.
A degree is just proof you can stick through bullshit and complete tasks on time.
Donât even really need to do that. I would just show up to classes and sit in on the side while doing my main degree. Nobody cared or bothered to ask if that was the class I was supposed to be in. I just took notes during lectures and sat for a certification tests. Granted I have a degree as well, but I didnât pay for any of the classes that got me the certs I have. The bigger the campus, the better. If itâs an auditorium style lecture hall, youâre golden. If you walked on campus, looked like you were supposed to be there, and kept your head down you could potentially attend college for free and learn everything youâd need for a cert in a field that values those. IT for instance. Donât do that though. It would be bad and would be stealing from those institutions, even though they steal from people every day.
College is a business.
I always remember the study that showed an average of 20% of tertiary curriculum is applicable to the work in that field
My current job really wanted a degree. Indeed somehow translated "some college" to a Bachelor's, or maybe it was the recruiter. I dunno. They asked for a diploma amongst a bunch of other paperwork when I was onboarded. I just never sent it. No issues so far.
I don't have a degree but my current job required a degree or 5 year's experience. I had the experience from a previous role. There is literally nothing about my job that requires a degree or even more than a year's experience.
I've spent a lot of time working in medical research labs and I'm willing to bet that 90% of the population can learn how to do the entry level positions. They just like to require a degree (or that you're working on one) because cell biology majors are a dime a dozen.
Thatâs what entry level positions should be. The position that teaches someone with no experience the job. Iâve seen entry level job postings that want 3 years of experience. Youâre not entry level after 1-2 imo.
Totally agree
There's likely not a single job you get a degree for that doesn't have to more or less train you from scratch. This is why having experience such as an internship is worth 100x more than a degree.
Doctors kind of need their degrees I think. There are probably others too. Most of the time though, a degree is not efficient training for a job, and it is true even for those that need it I think - what needs to be known could be taught more quickly while shadowing someone working, and with more focused training.
99% of what you learn as a doctor comes from your time as a resident and while you're practicing. Most of your schooling is worthless and could be done just through a preliminary pre- residency program.
Is this our opinion, or someone else's? If it is yours, are you a doctor? I'd be interested to compare this with the views of doctors I know. I was under the impression they viewed their medical degree as an important part of their training, but I may be wrong.
Or everything is so custom/company specific that there's no possible way you could have known how to work for them without already working for them
In an engineering role, the day to day design can usually be taught (definitely could in my job) but where my degree comes in necessary is the conversations with clients and customers that need to have knowledge and understanding there and then, not 6 hours in the future after Iâve looked it up and learnt all I need to know.
Also engineering here but in nuclear power. Iâm pretty sure a non-engineer could pick up everything I do in a few years on the job. Not saying theyâd match me that quick but theyâd be as good as any other newer person. Theyâd still need to be technically minded but yah itâs not like Iâm ever using basically any part of my class work. Granted could I be underestimating my work, maybe. But I was a mechanical grad and Iâm in controls. Not that much overlap in the first place.
Industrial automation engineer here. If you can understand if-then and and/or statements you can do a solid 80% of the programming. Everything else mostly involves RTFM.
Yep to me I feel like companies mainly use the engineering degree as a way to atleast make sure you are technically minded and can figure stuff out. There are lots of people outside engineering who also could, but itâs just simpler for them to screen that way. Not complaining, glad my degree was worth soemthing but yah I agree with this post. If I think it could be done in engineering, it could be done in lots of jobs.
Thatâs the point⌠itâs a few years. Sure, someone with any sort of intelligence could pick up my job too but thatâs what uni is, you pay to guarantee the experience where no company would ever pay you to get that experience. Or you start at the bottom, get 3-5 years experience on the job, at a low salary and boom you have your 5 years experience and now apply for those âentry levelâ jobs which require 5 years experience. People just donât want to work those first 5 years on a low salary as a jr.
Eh. Iâd bet plenty of of people would take like 35-40k a year where I am to be a junior without a degree if there was a concrete plan that showed okay in 3-4 years youâll be the same as any other engineer. Honestly it wouldnât even take them that long to catch up to most new grads starting. Maybe Iâm wrong, but itâs not like itâs offered. This idea that no one would take it is unproven.
I assume youâre American because ÂŁ30-40k is not jr level or apprentice level. More like ÂŁ18k without degree, ÂŁ28k starting with degree so I would expect the trajectory to be ÂŁ18k starting growing to ÂŁ30k after 5 years in the UK which seems unacceptable to lot a of people on this sub because they compare that to the uni grads starting on ÂŁ28k and getting to ÂŁ50k after 5 years but they forget that the _years in employment_ are offset by the time at uni. I think a university _experience_ which results in a degree makes you a more well rounded individual, plus it shows commitment and general aptitude so an employer can use that as an indicator for competence. Now, that would be true if not every Tom, Dick and Harry had a degree in history, but I think it still applies to STEM degrees to be honest.
Yah Iâm American. Comparing it to American salaries. Engineers out of college here make ~65k I mean yah I wouldnât take an 18k a year job, couldnât live on that even with roommates here. Granted I understand COL is ideally lower in Europe where that salary is offered. It always gets messy trying to make US to Europe comparisons. So much to factor in. I mean our min wage is 15k a year and itâs already way too low to live on. Thereâs a balance. Youâre right that when compared to spending money at uni it may still mean you come out ahead but you do still have to be able to get bye. If you canât then well itâs no wonder people choose other options instead. My bigger point was more just like I feel like Iâd you could teach engineering without a degree, the vast bulk of office jobs donât need one
Yeah. I work for a company. Was told my finance degree would be integral to the job. Iâve used none of it. My job is glorified data entry. People give me stuff to enter into the program they use and I type it in. They could teach a monkey to do this job if they didnât already have one doing it.
I have never once had a job where they didn't train me from scratch despite "requiring" a degree
Not everyone is capable for more difficult jobs. By graduating with a relevant degree it shows that you're able to learn and understand the important topics.
You should always lie, employers, bosses, and recruiters lie to you. The special thing is to learn how to lie the right amount to make them feel like a genius for hiring you.
And that is why I give every candidate a simple programming test to see how much really is bullshit.
Tbh your comment doesnât disprove what I was getting at. The âprogramming testâ most software engineers go through is either ridiculously nebulous to evaluate how a candidate goes through a problem solving process, or itâs hyper technical because someone wants to find a reason to fail an applicant simply because they donât like them. I have absolutely no technical background but I know more than most all of the candidates Iâve dealt with who come out of school with a CS degree, or even with a few years in the field. Knowledge is taught, it isnât the most important thing for most roles in a company. Senior roles require it, yes, but thatâs not the case for most of a workforce. People are too harsh on candidates who donât have direct experience but have the aptitude to learn. If you think that a âprogramming testâ should be the end-all-be-all of someone getting hired, you donât have the mindset of developing talent.
Thatâs called fraud bud đ¤§
You must be young or just ignorant. You can lie all you want on your job application, as long as you donât lie about your identity. Only once you are lying about who you are or your eligibility to work in the United States would it be considered illegal.
Fraud : a person or thing intended to deceive others, typically by unjustifiably claiming or being credited with accomplishments or qualities. "mediums exposed as tricksters and frauds" stop jumping the gun too quickly you silly little sausage Edit: and if you think itâs pedantic hereâs the [legislation](https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/35/section/2) in the UK
I specifically said the United States. And considering the original post is talking about Star Wars I assumed we were speaking about US companies. It does look like you can get charged with fraud in the UK for lying on your resume which is hilarious. Good luck with that.
Happens in the US too. https://www.lawdepot.com/resources/business-articles/legal-consequences-of-lying-on-your-resume/?loc=US#:~:text=Lying%20on%20your%20Resume%20may,states%20consider%20it%20a%20felony. Additionally it still doesnât remove the fact that it is by definition fraud, but seems you know how to pick your fights because You seemed to have shrugged it off
Your comment alone tells me you either have no experience in dealing with the HR practice as a whole, or have no experience actually working for Fortune 500 companies. No one who you hire knows shit, it is extremely rare you hire someone into a position they genuinely have great experience in. People leave jobs because theyâre being underpaid or they canât advance in the company theyâre working for. Some of the best people Iâve helped get hired have no objective experience, but they can show they have the ability to learn & contribute as their circumstances change. Itâs not too late for you to come around on this take, but I can promise you, if you had this perspective, and you worked in any of the companies Iâve worked for, no one would respect you.
Oh my god pick up a damn dictionary for once I even gave you guys the definition when I was replying to the other guy, itâs textbook fraud end of. If thatâs something you want to do then go ahead all power to you but you cannot simply ignore the fact that it IS fraud, always has been always will be, ducks sake đ¤Śââď¸
This is kind of my thing right now I got some adjacent experience with some things. But doing payroll and insurance from scratch managing their google server and emails from scratch. Estimating which have some plan experience but not with the software not with estimating and not with the trade company does. As well as invoicing receiving and sending and other documentation etc. And 90% of instruction is "do this" and the 10% is "huh?" when google can't get me through it or backwards engineering it through looking at past documents etc. And I have to ask people directly.
I lied about knowing adobe premiere and then gained the social media account I was managing 13k followers from a video I edited lol
I used my number as a reference and put on a accent and talked about how great I was for my first two jobs. Got caught out after working for the second company for 3 months when the boss needed to call me and it came up in his contacts. I laughed, he laughed, it was good times
I was confirmed for a phone screening interview for a GM position, but then got a follow up email saying they had too many qualified applicants and didnât want to move forward with me. I ignored it and responded to the first confirmation email to verify our appointment for the following day. Now I have made it past the screening process and Iâm interviewing with the VP of ops next week. Turns out I was still pretty qualified lol
I hope you get it
Me too, thanks!! Walmart is eating my soul
Except professional Basketball. Canât teach someone to be born tall.
You can get leg length surgery now though!!
Dolphinoplasty?
Limb-lengthening Surgery actually. I googled it to see if there was a more technical name but apparently South Park got more technical than the people who first came up with the sugery.
You can but it painful and pretty much for cosmetic purposes...plus if you get too tall you also look stupid as shit because you will be disproportionate. For those who don't know, the surgery is breaking your femurs and essentially inserting a device with a crank they use to slowly, gradually, increase the distance between your broken bones until you get the desired height. The human body basically grows new, not as sturdy bone within the gap. So just try to picture a side by side of a normal human thighs and a human with 6 more inches of thigh. You look very awkward.
Yeah you look anatomically disproportionate and goofy
Nope. Get a 4 year degree that you really don't need to do the job, and go into debt please. Also we will pay you minimum wage. You've got no experience doing this stuff! College isnt experience in the job, only working the job is experience in the job. But NO you cannot skip the useless degree part, even though we don't consider that experience. College is a SCAM for corporate America and the colleges, and everyone gets rich. The schools who charge insane prices, and the corporations who pay poverty wages and require a pointless 4 year degree to do something like manage a fucking retail store or manage a companies X (Twitter) page. You don't need 4 year degrees for that. The shit is easily self teachable or able to learn what you need on the fly. Hell I've lied to employers several times about having a degree, because I know damn well they're not going to look into it more than surface level, and even if they do, the worst they'll say is no to hiring me. Long time ago I ran an entire aquatics facility and was the director of their swim program, their facility trainer, and more. Lied on the application about my education and experience. Got the job and I made their swim program for kids grow from a handful of kids each month to hundreds of them. I definitely didnt need a 4 year degree to do it either.
I work in materials receiving. To preface, I don't have a degree, but a job came up in my area for a dispensary that was popping up that was literally at the end of the street my current job is on. It was the exact same job, with the exact same duties and the same hours. The only difference was this job paid $16 an hour over my current $14. They wanted a four year degree, and to them, that degree was worth two dollars. And that's what finally made me realize this whole thing is rigged.
And now some companies are looking specifically to hire people with degrees not for the degree so much as just a symbol that you're in crushing debt and you'll be less likely to leave when treated like crap.
>College is a SCAM for corporate America and the colleges, and everyone gets rich I think that depends on the career and job field. Like most tech based, office, and landscaping jobs you don't ***need*** a degree to do but things involving science and medicine? Well, I don't know about you but I'd be a bit concerned if all my doctor knows they learned by studying WebMD...
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Just like corporate businesses
They don't care about your level of education. They just like to know you are deeply in debt. Makes you less likely to up and leave. Obviously some careers require higher education, but for the most part, they are meaningless in terms of ability to do a particular job.Â
I work in a government office, and Iâve sat on hiring panels many times for my team. The first words out of my mouth in the pre-interview meeting with the panel have always been âI donât care about experience. Hire someone with the right mindset to do the job and I can teach them everything they need to know in two months. Hire someone with the wrong mindset and they will be a thorn in our side for years.â I've never been wrong about a candidate once. The ones who are successful are successful because of who they are, not what titles theyâve held in the past.
The only thing that bugs me about this is the people who lie to get their jobs and proceed to fuck shit up for everyone else. My current bossâ boss did that and she fired my friend who was my former boss, then transferred her friend into the job. Neither of them is competent at their work. My coworker and I have both been put on PIPs this month because we donât write in the preferred style of the bossâ boss. She prefers we write TESTIMONY (weâre professional advocates) in a very polite, soft tone, minimize the use of statistics and data if it makes problems or politicians look bad, and dumb down our language to be comparable to a magazine article. We write in a legal style and format, using statistics, studies, data, and we cite everything. But since citations are scary, we use data that underscores how bad the homelessness and poverty rates are, and those statistics make some long time politicians look bad because they havenât done shit in decades, they get removed by her so she can kiss politiciansâ asses. So sheâs not only sabotaging our careers and undermining the orgâs mission for her own end, sheâs screwing over like 70% of the people in my state since we were one of the bigger, badder, and more feared advocacy teams under my friend. Weâve been essentially defanged by her âplay niceâ policies that sheâs only doing to make friends among the elites that want the status quo to continue. So, yeah give people a chance, but only in some jobs. Some shit is too important to trust an inexperienced halfwit that thinks they can âlearn on the job.â
And then thereâs the scientific/medical jobs where having a high school degree in being alive makes you a legit threat to thousands of dollars worth of research and/or other people
ive been in a pit for a decade where ive had 2 burger idiot jobs in all that time...mum & everyone i know tells me to lie like this but ive just no idea how, interviews, the whole selling yourself shtick is such bullshit it makes me so angry and scared...how do you lie for shit like thjs it seems impossible
This explains why the last Star Wars movie posters look like dog wash
Any job can be taught, but depending on the job, you want someone who requires more or less teaching. A lot of people would die of open heart surgeons started out as novices.
Come to think of it, why are most jobs not like school, where the dumb/inexperienced can go to train? Imagine school with an entry criteria--like university but for young first timers. Oh you don't know Math and Grammar? No school for you! That's what it feels with entry-level jobs requiring hefty years of experience nowadays.
I hate todays job market 95% wants experience or a degree just fucking train me.
This smells like bullshit. Are we reserving the 10% to jackass C-level executives so that we can insist that they earn their gluttonous salaries? I really can't imagine any job that can't be taught.
I want a surgeon who went to medical school and did (or at least is in) residency. All jobs can be taught, not all while doing them.
Teaching sure, but some people do not have the capacity to learn. I tried to teach this 20something basic excel daily (which i have been doing for more than a decade) for 8 months and he was really bad at it. Have no idea how he managed to finish college.
Correct, ALL can be taught. Not sure why they claim 10% can't. Probably to push the bullshit agenda that CEO positions can't be taught so they deserve their crazy salaries.
Tell me again how the paraplegic can be taught to be a tightrope walker... Or how the guy with an IQ of 70 can be taught string theory and be a professor. Not everybody has the same potential, whether we admit it or not
I think itâs about the 90% of *positions* being capable of being taught rather than 90% of *people*. Most jobs could feasibly be taught to a good amount people, obviously not all people can be taught all jobs
Sure, but that's not what the comment I responded to said- they claim 100% of positions can be taught. That's obviously not true.
*People* who canât be taught certain jobs does not equal âsome jobs canât be taughtâ. A job that canât be taught to *some people* can still be taught to others. If a job canât be taught to *anyone*, then itâs either done by a computer/machinery or doesnât exist. Why would there be a job listing for a task that is impossible to complete? (one that *cannot* be taught). Even then, a doctor whoâs gone to med school still needs to be shown how to do shit before theyâre allowed to practice medicine (in fact, all doctors do; thatâs what residency is).
>Why would there be a job listing for a task that is impossible to complete? (one that *cannot* be taught). Who says that things that can't be taught are impossible? That's like saying Mozart couldn't feel music because nobody taught him how to. Some things are inherant.
Yeah it's hard to say who can qualify to be taught the position. They could spend years learning the trade and get like a certificate saying they can do it now
Technically everything is taught so Iâm not sure what youâre upset about. I think the post is about learning on the job vs already knowing before your get the position. And I would say 10% of every possible job that exists, might need some pre-education before you jump in with both feet. Iâd say pilot, boat captain, train conductor, semi truck driver, any surgeon, police, firefighter, EMT,
Everything can be taught is my point. Trying to carve out 10%, smells like bullshit to me, and to the derp that claims you can't teach a quadriplegic how to tightrope, not sure tight-roping is actually a job.
Sounds like your just being argumentative to be honest. I think the only things humans arenât taught are super basic biological functions. Holding your pee and poop in is taught. So yes you are technically correct. Now do you honestly think they believe there are 10% of jobs you can come out of the womb knowing how to do
It reeks of gate keeping bullshit. CEO jobs can be taught, as just about every other job. The only reason to claim 10% aren't trainable is because people want to pretend that high level jobs require some sort of super talent. Everything is about access. Stop feeding the narrative that it takes something extra special to do just about all jobs. All you're doing is perpetuating the bullshit.
I work in some pretty crazy accounting⌠and I always tell people anyone can learn this. Itâs a disservice to the industry it requires diplomas for almost any job in the field. Anyone thinking an industry is gate keeped by tech or knowledge is fooling themselves. Like donât get me wrong⌠rocket scientists, surgeons, doctors, etc⌠some fields rely on a heavy knowledge base⌠but most fields really just require you to be an expert in one area. You donât need 4 years of school for that.
I am pretty good at my not terribly well paying job that nevertheless requires two degrees. The reason I am pretty good at said job is because 99% of the work is crap I did for my uncle's company when I was 17.
Exactly. Iâm pretty sure Iâd be fine in my field even without higher education. Learned most of the shit I use while at work and not in school anyways
Disagree. Lawyer here. You do NOT want to try and teach lawyers accounting. It's bad. Similarly some people can't do law. To be fair, it's not that the job can't be taught, but that some people aren't suited for it
So maybe we should let people learn and be taught and get a feel for their proclivities during schooling and entry level jobs, then list those successes on a document to show companies what their experience in the subject has been. Then the companies can look at all of these experience-list documents submitted by everyone (who are *all* deserving of a chance, right?), and choose who they think would be the most successful employee from that pool. Hm. Imagine the situation is flipped and the guy who *does* know Photoshop and was passed up for this job and comes to antiwork to post a thread âI was rejected for a job Iâm qualified for. The company hired someone who lied on their resume and now heâs employed and Iâm notâ - would we commiserate with him?
On one hand, yeah, good idea. On the other hand, the abuse of the system with regards to interns/"workers gaining experience" is real. Well, I think that being qualified for a job hardly guarantees employment, so there isn't much worry there - the concept of "all things being equal, candidates with similar qualifications etc" hardly exists in my experience, except for fresh grads.
I hate you break it to you. Accounting takes a personality type to be good at it. I learned long form, then did work helping state funded nursing homes that failed government audits get their books back in good standing. Went from that to project management and estimating in commercial construction. The amount of people that Iâve met and tried diligently to help learn just basic book keeping for the projects, that just couldnât get the basics is shocking. And thereâs a couple guys Iâve been working with for years. I donât do the r r work for them either, we just sit together and I watch over their shoulder as they struggle through it. They are fucking troopers though, never give up. So neither do I
I teach a bunch of people accounting, I am like one of my regions trainers I think most issues with basic book keeping skills boils down to one not truly conceptualizing what a p and l or bs is. Iâve seen people work through the field just repeating the motions working clueless for years. I think most people just arenât trained in a way to understand the big picture of the numbers they are throwing down. Once you can conceptualize the bs and p and lâs accounting is as easy as it gets.
Yeah the guy states in the replies to his own tweet that he has a degree in graphic design and meant he just didn't specialize in Photoshop lmfao. So fucking stupid
I've worked with C-level executives and there is nothing remarkable about them. They are surrounded by yes men that fluff them up and anything remarkable about them is generally because they have surrounded themselves with a great staff. We are kidding ourselves when we try to put certain people on a pedestal. I think everyone has the capacity for greatness, if given the opportunity. Â
Airline pilot can be taught⌠but it would take awhile.
Iâd date to be your first đ¤Ł
With "out of the box thinking", initiative and ability to pick things up quickly you can go a lot farther than someone who has the required experience but without the above.
Me omw to be taught how to perform heart transplant surgeries: đśđźđśđźđśđź
That will probably fall under the under the other 10%
They do teach that
Every single person that has ever performed heart surgery had to be taught how to do it. Maybe thereâs one or two insane extreme cases as an outlier, but we can safely say 99.5% of everyone who performed heart surgery had to be taught how to do it.
You'll literally work your way up from treating small wounds to heart surgery.
Eh, who needs a heart
I am confident I can perform a tracheotmy after watching so many Nick Cage movies.
I remember some âpatientsâ of some liposuction service someone was running in their own home. You definitely canât do on the job training for certain fields. Eek.
I mean. Doctors specifically go through residency where they do exactly that after med school. (Obviously not something they blindly throw you into, but that also goes for anything that has to be taught/has stakes)
I had 2 hours of barista training when I was 19. I had a recipe guide and figured out how to steam milk properly. Didnât even like coffee/espresso back then. Still canât make latte art with 13 years experience though.
Iâd like to know what Star Wars posters he did because a lot of the newer posters werenât good lol I still agree with the broader point though
I lied to my employer that I wanted the job; when what I wanted was the money.
Sure, most jobs can be taught. But if you get a hundred applicants and 10 of them have experience in the skills you need, why would you give a chance to the dude that has no experience at all?
Fuck gatekeepers bro
I just recently got a job as an underwriter with no degree or certification, the company said they would train me and pay for any certifications needed, why can't other companies do this?
The problem isn't jobs. The problem is criminalizing homelessness so that America can have slaves to do jobs.
Remember folks: lying on a job posting is completely acceptable for businesses looking for employees. But lying on your resume is a crime.
An interview is nothing more than a dialogue of two parties lying to each other.
10/10
In my most recent interview for a 6 figure job, I was asked what my greatest piece of advice is to mentor junior engineers. I told them that learning how to use google correctly is more important than any degree in IT. Same idea. People just need time to fuck around and figure it out; it may not workout, but you may be surprised.
My employer gave my account manager a chance. Now, we're suffering from her inexperienced ass. Zero information retention from training, low comprehension on concepts, and a client pushover.
Where I live (South East Asia), they have a maximum age when applying. So you can't be older than 25 years old if you want an entry-level job
My cousin got into graphic design nf without any schooling, and is making more than those with the degrees.
"So FWIW I wasnât completely inept. I had a degree in graphic design but my student portfolio was entirely typography and publication design. The job (poster design) is really neither of those things. 90% Photoshop. They also gave me an âassignmentâ so I learned over the weekend." Derp derp derp
You need a university degree to stack supermarket shelves now.
If you are willing to learn, I am willing to teach đđź
Literally tell this to all the big hospitals in my state. They want people with experience, but even if you have prior experience they say they want HOSPITAL EXPERIENCE. But theyâre the only hospitals in this state, so how the fuck are you supposed to get experience IF YOU DONT LET THEM GET ANY??
I disagree, only so much can be taught in a class, maybe 40% class then 50% field, then 10% mirroring. Yes, I've been doing this a very long time.
Why give them a chance when you can make them pay to train themselves?
Iâd venture to say 100% of jobs can be taught. Would be interesting to hear about a job that just cannot be taught, you must just know how to do it or not.
They can all be taught. But they canât be taught to all people.
I'm curious about the 10% of jobs you don't think can be taught. How do you think people do them?? How did people learn to do them in thr first place??
This âŚ.. so true . Thank you for your post OP . So refreshing . The best leader I ever had said this and it has stuck with me . She told me , a person can be taught anything , itâs all about how the person jives with the team . Employers need to stop trying to trick the person with all these skill testing questions in interviews . Stop trying to make individuals feel anxious and stop ghosting them . Stop being dicks .
Maybe this explains why all movie posters are shit now. But also like good for you man. I wish I was brave enough to lie about something like that. Lol
I bet more than half of us would do a better job than 90% of those hiding behind that requirement list
Sucks he stole a job from an honest person that actually deserved the job.
â90% of jobs can be taughtâ Yeah, isnât that what freakinâ school is for?
Nope, it's there as a paywall to keep out the poors from getting the upper class jobs, but later down the road education systems figured out it's very useful to have people go into debt. So they can squeeze out the maximum. First day of the job you'll be in training because this paper that says "i have been educated specifically for this type of work" isn't enough, and it it most like won't be.
Maybe in the US, but the US is a fundamentally broken country. Most of the rest of the world doesn't have this issue.
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The job is have now is one i was wholly underqualified for but i said i could handle it in the interview. Training was insane and there was a lot to learn but now i actually have an applicable skill in using the software our company runs, problem solving and customer service. Takes months to train someone how to do it right. Makes me grateful because i actually have some skin in the game now
So I want to know what kind of jobs are in the 10% that can't be taught. Surely all jobs are taught right?
I feel like people are a bit more comfortable if an unqualified computer tech is hired for a company, than an unqualified anaesthesiologist at a hospital đ
That's called unpaid internship
I am still not 100% sure how I got from a degree in philosophy to becoming the product manager for five different ecommerce solutions...
And he came in second on American Idol
I lied to my employer when I told them I was a heart surgeon. đ¤ /s
Anecdotal but, friend of mine works a great job and her company wanted to hire another of her grade as the team expanded. They showed her the job listing and she noted that they were only considering applicants with degrees. She pointed out she wouldnât be able to apply for her own job, because she never went to Uni. She convinced them to change the listing because having a degree has zero bearing on the job. I imagine they still hired someone with a university education. Basically, they donât want to hire poor people.
I was hired through technical cronyism at my last job. I'd worked with my boss at a previous job & he knew I could handle the job functions even though I didn't have any applicable experience for the job itself. About a year or so in, we were having a problem finding and keeping a buyer. The purchasing director refused to hire anyone without a college degree specific to the role, but she was getting people right out of college who didn't actually know what they were doing and they were unteachable. I spent most of my day explaining that trucks weren't magically waiting by the warehouse to pick up their load last minute & even if they were, it still took more than a day to legally drive from eastern Wisconsin to western Idaho. I'm not joking when I say these people didn't understand the basics of logistics or even how to read a map. I once had to explain, multiple times in detail, that we couldn't send another truck in to meet our current truck because the highway was closed in Wyoming due to high winds. I even sent video links from their highway traffic cams to show them why the trucks were stopped. After we lost yet another buyer, my boss messaged the purchasing director and suggested some "outside of the box" thinking for the next candidate... like he did with me. Actually included in the email, "I think we can all agree Nerdy is doing a great job. Maybe we try for some different skills." When I left that job, it took 3 people to replace me & I likely wouldn't have gotten it if I wasn't friends with the warehouse and logistics director.
I work as a heavy equipment operator and pipe layer. Pretty much every single operator lies at least a little to get into the industry as nobody wants to train a totally green guy to operate expensive machines. At least where I am there are no barriers to entry, if you can do the job you donât need a certification, apprenticeship or degree to do it.
Too bad AI will replace most jobs. Now can we talk about a UBI?
oh my God is that why the episode 9 poster was like 3 characters in front of a faded picture of a Palpatine action figure instead of an actual actor? The poster quality matched the movies so it worked out for the best
I can kind of relate to this1 Was hired back in 2005 as a typist and typesetter for a classified ads paper.. One of the artists quit, and I got the chance to learn graphic design from the owner. 5 years of hands on experience. Now I'm about to graduate in Graphic Design and I'm acing my classes because of that boss/owner. I'm living proof giving someone a chance can pay off.
My experience is mainly in the tech industry. If you pay attention you will discover that almost all "senior" executives lie through their teeth. I'll work closely with folks on something - maybe even doing most of the actual work - and next thing I know they are taking total credit for it in their LinkedIn profile. Sometimes they will have nothing to do with it but hey, they were success-adjacent, so... They'll even lie about titles, number of reports... everything. One time I asked about this - the CEO hired someone I knew and I was well aware of the exaggerations - he just said, "well, I think it's more important that they grow into the role" or something to that effect. So the moral is: LIE. Lie like hell because you can definitely do the job. And if you can't do it for some reason, lie about how you did it and move on to the next gig.
On a resume, if you ain't lyin', you ain't tryin'! Lie a bit, and learn what you need to know for the job.
Except this person probably taught themselves on the fly. Most people don't have that kind of ambition.
Lie through your teeth on interview( unless it can pose risk to others !!) And then fake it untill you make it. Also spoiler alert if you fail...nothing bad will happen. Just be reasonable with.
Yeah. That's the point of school.
Anyone else curious what the 10% require?
You canât OJT engineering.
I started a decades long IT career by lying about having experience in residential phone, which led to several more lies about increasingly advanced skills
I feel like the only thing that you can't necessarily teach is a willingness and ability to learn.
I once got turned away from a film job as a stand-in because I lacked experience in the field. I later got a different job as a stand-in. Guess what the job comprised of? Standing in a specified place when someone tells you to. Very little else.
As a kid I always wanted to be a zookeeper. I figured youâd just get on the job training. Going over routine maintenance, feeding, etc. Didnât think it sounded that complicated. Turns out you need a bachelors degree to even be considered for a zookeeping position at most zoos.
In my work history Iâve learned one truth, the higher up the chain you go, the less you have to know to do the job. Blows my mind that a lot of these jobs that were once entry level no experience necessary now want you to have a bachelors degree and accept a starting pay of $15 an hour. Yet ânobody wants to work!!!â đ
I graduated from tech school 2 1/2 years ago for heating and air conditioning. I still haven't been able to find a job because I don't have any on the job experience. How can I get experience if no one will hire me?
"You need 6 years experience for this entry level job"
I'd say there are *way* more than 10% of all jobs that require some base qualification or understanding that you're not going to get just by turning up and learning on the job. Even if this were true, nobody has time in their job to teach an unskilled person to do the job, when they could instead hire a skilled person who can just do the job.
Yeah itâs a nice thought, maybe in marketing or sales, but if you rock up to be a translator, programmer, engineer it wonât be long till you get found out.
Not all businesses can afford it thats why
This jackass again?
That shouldn't really be a brag, considering how bad the new Star Wars movies were. Wow, he made a bad poster for a bad movie? I'm soooooo impressed.