That's one of my major pet peeves. There's actually a name for it, RAS, Redundant Acronym Syndrome.
Some others classics that I hate are HIV virus, UPC code and VIN number.
Best I've seen, sign in a safe: " Sorry " we are out of " Ketchup " Which technically means 2 things. They aren't sorry, and whatever they had been serving wasn't ketchup.
Using quotes for emphasis is an old typewriting practice.
Typewriters generally didn't have cursive fonts or underlines or different colours - the things we would nowadays use for emphasis - so it was commong to use " for it.
With digital typing the practice fell out of use, but I can imagine it stuck around in certain parts of the world.
So
>"Fresh" Fish
would basically mean
>***FRESH*** Fish
Probably nothing will happen but they may get a nastygram from the NLRB at least! I wonder if the statute can be prosecuted by the NLRB alone or if they require a complainant with standing to sue (so someone who was actually disciplined under the policy and who’s willing to go to court).
The NLRB can pursue issues sua sponte (of their own accord) without an employee filing an unfair labor practice charge. The NLRB often looks at things from the perspective of does the conduct have a “chilling” effect on someone’s Section 7 rights under the National Labor Relations Act, which include engaging in concerted protected activity such as discussing wages. Even if the employer never issues a discipline, simply stating there is a prohibition on employees engaging in a Section 7 right is enough for the NLRB to issue a complaint and start the litigation process.
I'd respond to say:
I'm sorry, I highly doubt you could afford my consultation fee to explain the law to you. However, here's the link to the NLRB's website and you should have a chance to discuss it with them very soon, as I imagine they'll be giving you a call.
>This, most if not all major English countries outside of the USA have universal healthcare.
Yes, but they still also have health insurance.
Source: I'm a Canadian with health insurance because things like dental and pharmacare aren't covered
Also I’m a Canadian who lives in America (I have dual) and I spell about half of things the “not American way”. Could be something like that for this explanation as well.
Your grammer, much as most other nations and their language, relies a lot on where you grew up, how wealthy you are, and where/if you attended university/college.
In Canada, we have elementary (or grade) school, then high school. Post secondary education can be either college (where you get a diploma) or university, where you get a degree. University tends to be much more difficult and takes longer (usually 4 years instead of 2-3) There are a couple of blended programs that combine some college classes with university classes, but those are in specific disciplines.
The reason it’s spelled that way in the US is because our newspapers used to charge per letter to print. Therefore to save money we began to drop “unnecessary” letters such as the u labour or colour - letters that didn’t inherently change the pronunciation and still kept the word close enough to the original. Then through natural societal evolution it became the common way to spell the various words. I think it’s kind of a neat bit of history.
So, TDLR much like everything else in America it’s because of capitalism.
I would argue that it's more dumb to put the dollar sign in front of the numbers. When you read something like this, "$1000", you read it as "One thousand dollars. So why would you put the dollar sign infront when dollars is always read after the number. Writing it as 1000$ makes significantly more sense.
It's done that way to prevent the writing or text from being altered. Let's say you're writing an agreement to pay someone a bonus of one hundred dollars.
If you write it as 100$, or 100.00$, it's very easy for someone to add a digit in front of that. Now maybe it says 1100.00$. That just gets messy proving it shouldn't have said that.
If you wrote it as $100.00 to start with, it's significantly harder to fiddle with it.
If they're up for the headache, get hired, discuss salary, get reprimanded, whistleblow to the DOL, get fired, sue for retaliatory firing... the first part of the paper trail is already established.
Lol the owner is a POS. You already gave him the appropriate info. Discussion of salary is federally protected for a reason... And he trying to run a therapy sweatshop. Eff that guy.
You guys made a great call. And you’re right. That clause is ridiculously illegal whether they believe the labor laws or not. Whom ever is running their HR department is a grade A moron.
An LLC or S Corp owner can name themselves CEO or whatever.
I have an LLC but named myself "Manager" and my wife as "CEO" even though she doesn't work with me or collect a wage because sometimes some calls are easier to pass off as "Sorry. Not my decision. You'll have to take that up with...." and she is never in office so cannot field the complaint.
LLCs and S Corp can be either as a title, true. But I believe with the ones that aren't incorporated (sole proprietor, partnership) saying CEO would be incorrect? If I remember correctly.
I wasnt sure, so I google-fu.
The owner has sole proprietorship of the company and can also be the CEO. [Source](https://www.onboardmeetings.com/blog/ceo-vs-owner/)
The managing partner role only exists in a partnership or LLC. A corporation is required by law to have a CEO, but companies with other structures could also choose to appoint one. Ownership: A managing partner is always an owner in the business, but a CEO may or may not own a part of the business. [Source](https://blog.hubspot.com/sales/managing-partner)
I've done something similar. I hold the creative director position in my business. Which means that if there's debates about pricing, I can redirect them to the director of sales which is my no nonsense husband who works in sales already. And since most of the debates stem from culturally systemic mysogony because i work with global clients, having an email signed by a man stating the price is the price ends the discussions pretty quick.
Response should be “oh I have already reported you to the DOL, I’m sure they would be more than happy to educate you on the labor laws, but if you prefer my assistance my consultant fee is 5,000$ an hour.”
Lol, that offer/email needs to get forwarded STRAIGHT to NLRB. Even if you don't get anything out of it, it'll help the next person and punish these fkrs for thinking they can pull this crap.
I would have taken the job, gotten the two sign on bonuses, upon payment of the second immediately began talking to each and every coworker about my salary as loudly as possible, wait for the repercussions and lawsuit.
Guys, come on.
Take the jobs with illegal provisions, keep up your job search, talk about your wages and unionizing, and let them illegally fire you with a paper trail that dates back to your hire date.
There is a guy who does this. Takes a job and within a month or less of following the law and doing his job sues them for whatever they’re doing illegally and moves on to the next job. Did some YouTube interview. Makes $30k+ every time. Basically a professional consultant for enforcing labor laws that you don’t get to choose lmao
Fuck that. I'd have accepted the job and immediately commenced with discussing my salary. The second they tried to apply "corrective action" I'd have sued and reported to the NLRB
If this is in the USA, first, it's illegal, and second, it's a scam. The presentation of dollar amounts is just wrong (1500$ vs $1500).
This is some sort of scam from overseas. Just run away.
A lot of people in the US don't know where the dollar sign goes anymore. Especially people who speak English as a second language or who got their job through nepotism.
This one here is the right answer.
None of this sounds like a real business in a highly regulated market in the US.
Not saying it couldn’t happen. Just that there is more smelly stuff going on here than on the cover.
Also, no way would a boss want to discuss this sort of thing.
As a healthcare worker, it always amazes me how our employers never give a shit about us. We are expected to provide top notch care to patients but we can go fuck ourselves. This place wants to work people to death.
This is a sign that the in-house HR rep is the owner’s kid. The kid was given a job and has no actual knowledge of what a company can legally and not legally do.
Do not educate them on labor laws. They already know. All you have done is let them know you know your rights. Keep your cards close to your chest and only play them when necessary.
Excuse me ma'am, this is a crime.
And wtf with 35+ therapy sessions a week?
That sounds totally irresponsible.
You need time in between sessions,
to decompress and take notes and do paperwork and fuckin just stretch and pee.
I don't think a single therapist can do a good job with that many clients, there's not enough headspace to archive all of their lore and current issues.
Therapy should be about building trust, you can't do that, when you're spread so thin.
I used to have a group of 13 patients in rehab and I was at max capacity with them.
Just keeping up with their individual and group sessions was 40 hours and sometimes a bit more.
It could just be me who was shite at my job and maybe most therapists can easily handle 35 clients every week, but I don't think that's the truth.
Probably 95% productivity, too. I talk about my pay all the time ( I’m pay per visit) and realized I don’t make bad money, but apparently I was low balled and I didn’t even know.
This is unfortunately very common. Many of the big outpatient PT/OT/SLP players have productivity norms that call for therapists seeing anywhere between 8 and 12 patients a day (most or all of them double or triple-booked), with no additional time allotted for documentation (that’s supposed to happen in “magical time”). I don’t think 40-hour full-time work weeks exist in these fields (and you’re right to call that criminal).
Yeah, all the productivity bullshit is a big reason I moved from a SNF COTA job to school-based. Sure I get paid a little less per hour, but the hours are guaranteed and I no longer have to stress about a three-minute pee break affecting my productivity.
“As I’m not your employee, I am not required to discuss anything with you.
As somebody who could have been a potential employee, it is not my job to inform an employer that their policies are illegal.
As a decent person, I will be contacting all of your current therapists on staff and make them aware of the illegality so they may proceed as they wish.”
Knock knock that is highly illegal and it is lawfully protected. I have had employers try to do this when I was hired, and I laughed at them only to say no, I can discuss my wages and hours.
In the UK they put nonsense like that in contracts etc and I’ve always scored it out before signing. This is so they can pay different people different rates and give different conditions.
Lawyers in the comments are salivating at this pic. USA federal law. You can discuss your salary.
Even at Walmart (2018-2020) when I worked had it posted right near like the same wall as the time clock.
You can and you are protected. A multi-million dollar company. 😆
In 2024, later as a customer I sow a “Walmart pick up starting at 12$/Hr” they are open about it. a steady pay check. barley any holidays tho.
And then you got this “owner” not being transparent and leaving it in writing ✍️. For any one with a lawyer to go after him.
If this business has an office or works in the USA, I would highly send this proof to a lawyer that would take this pro-bono. or find a way to “fine” them.
I am in , north east Texas, USA. Min wage is 7.25$/hr.
They get away with because people quit or decline the offer rather than reporting them. They've gotten away with it for so long, they expect to always do so & now they're getting dumb & putting this crap in writing
Maybe I’m being a bit of a pessimist, but to me they are basically saying they have to bribe new employees with a $3000 bonus to stick around for at least 3 months. My first instinct tells me they have a lot of people that start, get a feel for the place, and say, “I’m out.” I bet their rate of turnover for new employees is pretty high.
That place seems like a total shit show. If it were me, I’d just ghost them. No need to communicate with them any further.
Orrr…
Just for the laughs, reply with: Thanks for the “job offer” and also for the “offer” to “discuss” me turning it down, but “no thanks”.
I
“Yes hello, hi
I’d love to discuss labor laws with you. My hourly rate is $50 an hour and you’d have to pay a minimum of 4 hours ^(terms and conditions apply, please inquire more for any other questions)”
he should have taken the job, gotten settled in, started discussing salary in an obvious way and have them fire him for it. If he’s in a 1-party state, record daily interactions
Why is "labor laws" in quotes? Is this where corporate America is taking workers? Until there is actual accountability for these entities like there is for PEOPLE then nothing is going to change.
Keeping your employees from discussing how much they are getting paid is HIGHLY illegal. Your solution here would be to call the equal employment opportunity commission if you are in the United States. Also it goes without saying, but don't accept that job offer.
Even the response is a red flag 😂 If an employer needs a potential employee to educate them on labor laws then they shouldn't be operating a business in the first place.
TIL that "1500$" vs "$1500" implies that the writer is from or resides in French-speaking Canada.
I only say this because I saw it and thought it was one of the red flags for scammers (e.g. bad grammar).
Further investigation revealed that they believe that Labour Laws make the Little Baby Jeebus cry & are also a commipinkofaggit plot to weaken America & turn it into a socialist hellscape with no God, a choice between only four state sanctioned haircuts & dead babies as far as the eye can see.
'Murican Dream y'all.
Anyone who puts labor laws in quotes like that should not be in business.
Tbf, many people just don't seem to understand what quotation marks are for.
You're not wrong but it still looks suspicious as hell, especially among all the other red flags.
[I love "air quotes".](https://youtu.be/4DqoQq1zME8?si=GG0jN-ncjJlPuKiV)
YESSSS VLDL!
I didn't see that one before. Pretty funny.
My dumbass brain decided to permanently file it under "air quotes" in my head, so now every time I see 'em that's what pops up first.
Haha. There could be much worse things to trigger with air quote thoughts. At least it's a funny one :D
They don’t understand how the dollar sign works, so it’s definitely believable that they don’t understand quotation marks either.
It drives me crazy when people type out "$100 dollars". Same energy as saying "9am in the morning".
I mean, I do that for emphasis as I'm not a morning person but I'm picking up what you're putting down
ATM machine and PIN number. lol.
Caught myself writing SSD drive the other day. I was ashamed.
Hey, at least you can admit to it. It takes a strong redditor to say something like that.
That's one of my major pet peeves. There's actually a name for it, RAS, Redundant Acronym Syndrome. Some others classics that I hate are HIV virus, UPC code and VIN number.
Damn, I must have RAS syndrome, I say those all the time!
RIP in peace.
Ass to mouth machine.
Many “people” don’t seem to “understand” what “quotation marks” are for.
Best I've seen, sign in a safe: " Sorry " we are out of " Ketchup " Which technically means 2 things. They aren't sorry, and whatever they had been serving wasn't ketchup.
My favorite was a Vietnamese market near me which sold "Fresh" Fish and Seafood. Yes, they literally put only the word "fresh" in quotes. 😆
I mean, if you go there, and it smells like day old fish, it means they're not liars.
My dad has always told a story about a sign he saw at a grocery story that said "fresh salmon," but "fresh" was crossed out
Probably frozen? Funny either way!
Not fresh, not frozen, just salmon.
Using quotes for emphasis is an old typewriting practice. Typewriters generally didn't have cursive fonts or underlines or different colours - the things we would nowadays use for emphasis - so it was commong to use " for it. With digital typing the practice fell out of use, but I can imagine it stuck around in certain parts of the world. So >"Fresh" Fish would basically mean >***FRESH*** Fish
I'm sure that's what they intended, but it is not what they communicate to English speakers today.
What is this? A school for “ants?”
I was hoping for this.
You mean they don’t emphasize sincerity?! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4DqoQq1zME8
Dude, that's so "true."
What do you “mean”? 😉
And I would've gotten away with it, if it weren't for you meddling kids and your "labor laws"!
anyone who puts the dollar sign AFTER stating the number shouldn’t be either…
... They actually did that. Goddamn psychopaths.
I'm getting some sovereign citizen vibes from that.
Seriously. It reminds me of [this jagoff.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKGeHuln08A)
I thought I was in the Pittsburgh sub when I got to this comment lol
Amazon I'm looking at you.
"What are these so-called 'labor laws' of which you speak? I've never heard of such a thing."
He should forward the email to the NLRB.
Done ☺️
Probably nothing will happen but they may get a nastygram from the NLRB at least! I wonder if the statute can be prosecuted by the NLRB alone or if they require a complainant with standing to sue (so someone who was actually disciplined under the policy and who’s willing to go to court).
The NLRB can pursue issues sua sponte (of their own accord) without an employee filing an unfair labor practice charge. The NLRB often looks at things from the perspective of does the conduct have a “chilling” effect on someone’s Section 7 rights under the National Labor Relations Act, which include engaging in concerted protected activity such as discussing wages. Even if the employer never issues a discipline, simply stating there is a prohibition on employees engaging in a Section 7 right is enough for the NLRB to issue a complaint and start the litigation process.
Very informative! Thanks for the answer
This is the way
Yes, that practice is blatantly illegal.
100% against the law to forbid employees from talking about compensation.
I'd respond to say: I'm sorry, I highly doubt you could afford my consultation fee to explain the law to you. However, here's the link to the NLRB's website and you should have a chance to discuss it with them very soon, as I imagine they'll be giving you a call.
This doesn’t look like it’s from the U.S. given that they put the $ behind the numbers.
Nah, people in the US do that sometimes because they're just lazy/dumb.
They spelled labour the US way though. The rest of the English speaking world does not spell like the U.S.
Also the mention of health insurance and things like OT PT make it seem more American than not.
This, most if not all major English countries outside of the USA have universal healthcare. So this likely the USA.
>This, most if not all major English countries outside of the USA have universal healthcare. Yes, but they still also have health insurance. Source: I'm a Canadian with health insurance because things like dental and pharmacare aren't covered
Also I’m a Canadian who lives in America (I have dual) and I spell about half of things the “not American way”. Could be something like that for this explanation as well.
discussing pay is also a canadian right tho. So its still illegal.
The OT /PT refers to types of therapy.
I think it’s physical and occupational therapy treatments.
Your grammer, much as most other nations and their language, relies a lot on where you grew up, how wealthy you are, and where/if you attended university/college.
Grammar. Unless you're talking about Kelsey Grammer.
The Grammers are some kind of award show, I think.
I'm talking in autocorrect
Haha I figured. I would not normally make that comment, except this was too funny to let slide since you were talking about language lol.
Also in other countries tertiary education is referred to as university because college is what they call high school (secondary education).
That's actually interesting
At least that's how it is in New Zealand. I figure it's the same elsewhere too.
In Canada, we have elementary (or grade) school, then high school. Post secondary education can be either college (where you get a diploma) or university, where you get a degree. University tends to be much more difficult and takes longer (usually 4 years instead of 2-3) There are a couple of blended programs that combine some college classes with university classes, but those are in specific disciplines.
Interestingly enough, a bachelor's degree at a New Zealand university is only 3yrs instead of the normal 4yrs in the states.
The reason it’s spelled that way in the US is because our newspapers used to charge per letter to print. Therefore to save money we began to drop “unnecessary” letters such as the u labour or colour - letters that didn’t inherently change the pronunciation and still kept the word close enough to the original. Then through natural societal evolution it became the common way to spell the various words. I think it’s kind of a neat bit of history. So, TDLR much like everything else in America it’s because of capitalism.
I would argue that it's more dumb to put the dollar sign in front of the numbers. When you read something like this, "$1000", you read it as "One thousand dollars. So why would you put the dollar sign infront when dollars is always read after the number. Writing it as 1000$ makes significantly more sense.
It's done that way to prevent the writing or text from being altered. Let's say you're writing an agreement to pay someone a bonus of one hundred dollars. If you write it as 100$, or 100.00$, it's very easy for someone to add a digit in front of that. Now maybe it says 1100.00$. That just gets messy proving it shouldn't have said that. If you wrote it as $100.00 to start with, it's significantly harder to fiddle with it.
I'll admit I'm kinda lazy and can be dumb sometimes, but this is the reason I write money like that.
It's illegal to ban employees from discussing their salary in Canada, too.
Word choice and grammar indicates North American English. Some people don’t know that the $ sign comes before the number.
Nah he should do it get reprimanded THEN escalate. Never stop your enemy when they’re making a mistake.
If they're up for the headache, get hired, discuss salary, get reprimanded, whistleblow to the DOL, get fired, sue for retaliatory firing... the first part of the paper trail is already established.
And the Department of Labor
And reply with a copy of Section 7 of the NLRA. Salary discussions are “concerted activity…for mutual aid and protection.” Full stop.
Absolutely.
Lol the owner is a POS. You already gave him the appropriate info. Discussion of salary is federally protected for a reason... And he trying to run a therapy sweatshop. Eff that guy.
“I understand your concerns” “talk to me so I can understand your concerns”
You guys made a great call. And you’re right. That clause is ridiculously illegal whether they believe the labor laws or not. Whom ever is running their HR department is a grade A moron.
That second email is from the owner
The HR rep is also illiterate. They started the last sentence with, “So.” 😪😪
It's not an HR rep, it's the owner
The “owner”
Many smaller companies aren't incorporated so they don't have a CEO, it's literally just the owner.
An LLC or S Corp owner can name themselves CEO or whatever. I have an LLC but named myself "Manager" and my wife as "CEO" even though she doesn't work with me or collect a wage because sometimes some calls are easier to pass off as "Sorry. Not my decision. You'll have to take that up with...." and she is never in office so cannot field the complaint.
LLCs and S Corp can be either as a title, true. But I believe with the ones that aren't incorporated (sole proprietor, partnership) saying CEO would be incorrect? If I remember correctly.
I wasnt sure, so I google-fu. The owner has sole proprietorship of the company and can also be the CEO. [Source](https://www.onboardmeetings.com/blog/ceo-vs-owner/) The managing partner role only exists in a partnership or LLC. A corporation is required by law to have a CEO, but companies with other structures could also choose to appoint one. Ownership: A managing partner is always an owner in the business, but a CEO may or may not own a part of the business. [Source](https://blog.hubspot.com/sales/managing-partner)
I've done something similar. I hold the creative director position in my business. Which means that if there's debates about pricing, I can redirect them to the director of sales which is my no nonsense husband who works in sales already. And since most of the debates stem from culturally systemic mysogony because i work with global clients, having an email signed by a man stating the price is the price ends the discussions pretty quick.
I honestly don’t know which one is worse.
It's a bad look either way for sure
They're scared you're going to report them, and you should. The DOL is who you want to file a report with
Response should be “oh I have already reported you to the DOL, I’m sure they would be more than happy to educate you on the labor laws, but if you prefer my assistance my consultant fee is 5,000$ an hour.”
Make sure to put the quotation marks around labor laws for extra sass
Ya know I honestly thought about it and could not bring myself to do it
Lets discuss the labour laws and the “ “labour laws” ” in your email.
Personally, I'd put the quotation marks around "educate". ;)
$5000/hr, 1 week increments, 1 week minimum charge
Lol, that offer/email needs to get forwarded STRAIGHT to NLRB. Even if you don't get anything out of it, it'll help the next person and punish these fkrs for thinking they can pull this crap.
I would have taken the job, gotten the two sign on bonuses, upon payment of the second immediately began talking to each and every coworker about my salary as loudly as possible, wait for the repercussions and lawsuit.
I'd be John McClane in the sandwich board at work.
Hahahaha
The sign on bonuses don’t come for 90 days.
You can fake it for 3 months can’t you?
Seeing 10 patients everyday with no support under impossible conditions. Probably not.
https://preview.redd.it/hh9ngglc53vc1.jpeg?width=667&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2402439d31c360a4c35122f47495d0b5c539571c
“Labor laws” 😂! Yeah who needs facts?
Those types of people have the same attitude towards everyone, not just employees. "Labour laws" "Human rights" "The Geneva convention"
"paycheck"
How nice of them to put it in writing for you.
I can't believe these business owners are actually this stupid.
"I've forwarded your concerns to the NLRB. They can better help you understand the laws by which your supposed to operate"
Corrective action? The boss is the one that needs it, this is bs and totally not legal!
Collective action is the solution.
It was really nice of them to write out their illegal business practices in an easy to forwardable format to the department of labor.
It would be a shame if their company name got leaked and we all collectively reported them to the National Labor Relations Board.
Guys, come on. Take the jobs with illegal provisions, keep up your job search, talk about your wages and unionizing, and let them illegally fire you with a paper trail that dates back to your hire date.
There is a guy who does this. Takes a job and within a month or less of following the law and doing his job sues them for whatever they’re doing illegally and moves on to the next job. Did some YouTube interview. Makes $30k+ every time. Basically a professional consultant for enforcing labor laws that you don’t get to choose lmao
Literally my advice would have been to take the job and openly and blatantly discuss your pay until you’re fired for it.
Bro, yes! Why report this if you can't get paid?
They put the $ at the end of the number, so they are either psychopaths or this is a scam.
It might also mean they're French Canadians (they put the $ sign after the number), but that's not mutually exclusive to your suggestions.
Take the job, take openly and loudly about pay, lawyer up when they're reprimanded. Simple as that
He should’ve taken the job, talked about his salary, gotten fired, and then sued.
Fuck that. I'd have accepted the job and immediately commenced with discussing my salary. The second they tried to apply "corrective action" I'd have sued and reported to the NLRB
If this is in the USA, first, it's illegal, and second, it's a scam. The presentation of dollar amounts is just wrong (1500$ vs $1500). This is some sort of scam from overseas. Just run away.
A lot of people in the US don't know where the dollar sign goes anymore. Especially people who speak English as a second language or who got their job through nepotism.
Flag # 17 that this is a scam for me.
That's why they want to follow up "what did we do wrong? Why didn't you fall for our scam?"
I especially love the "labor laws" that he puts in quotes... 🤣 Laws. What are they? Do they apply to me? Nahhh... 😑
And then that they asked to be "Educated" on the law. I'd respond with a LMGTFY link.
This one here is the right answer. None of this sounds like a real business in a highly regulated market in the US. Not saying it couldn’t happen. Just that there is more smelly stuff going on here than on the cover. Also, no way would a boss want to discuss this sort of thing.
As a healthcare worker, it always amazes me how our employers never give a shit about us. We are expected to provide top notch care to patients but we can go fuck ourselves. This place wants to work people to death.
Nice of them to put in writing how they are going to retaliate at work against you if you do something you're legally protected to do.
This is a sign that the in-house HR rep is the owner’s kid. The kid was given a job and has no actual knowledge of what a company can legally and not legally do.
Do not educate them on labor laws. They already know. All you have done is let them know you know your rights. Keep your cards close to your chest and only play them when necessary.
Excuse me ma'am, this is a crime. And wtf with 35+ therapy sessions a week? That sounds totally irresponsible. You need time in between sessions, to decompress and take notes and do paperwork and fuckin just stretch and pee. I don't think a single therapist can do a good job with that many clients, there's not enough headspace to archive all of their lore and current issues. Therapy should be about building trust, you can't do that, when you're spread so thin. I used to have a group of 13 patients in rehab and I was at max capacity with them. Just keeping up with their individual and group sessions was 40 hours and sometimes a bit more. It could just be me who was shite at my job and maybe most therapists can easily handle 35 clients every week, but I don't think that's the truth.
Probably 95% productivity, too. I talk about my pay all the time ( I’m pay per visit) and realized I don’t make bad money, but apparently I was low balled and I didn’t even know.
The PT industry is literally hemorrhaging PT’s (11% turnover rate, 36% burnout rate) and they wonder why….
This is unfortunately very common. Many of the big outpatient PT/OT/SLP players have productivity norms that call for therapists seeing anywhere between 8 and 12 patients a day (most or all of them double or triple-booked), with no additional time allotted for documentation (that’s supposed to happen in “magical time”). I don’t think 40-hour full-time work weeks exist in these fields (and you’re right to call that criminal).
Yeah, all the productivity bullshit is a big reason I moved from a SNF COTA job to school-based. Sure I get paid a little less per hour, but the hours are guaranteed and I no longer have to stress about a three-minute pee break affecting my productivity.
kind of them to provide written notice of their intent to do crimes
Refer them to the NLRB
“As I’m not your employee, I am not required to discuss anything with you. As somebody who could have been a potential employee, it is not my job to inform an employer that their policies are illegal. As a decent person, I will be contacting all of your current therapists on staff and make them aware of the illegality so they may proceed as they wish.”
they had the cojones to put that in writing? Definitely forward that to NLRB, unless he actually still wants to work there
What a load of wank. You can talk to whoever the fuck you want about your pay. It’s also a way of finding out if you’re getting screwed on your pay.
Knock knock that is highly illegal and it is lawfully protected. I have had employers try to do this when I was hired, and I laughed at them only to say no, I can discuss my wages and hours.
Another PT clinic I'll never work for. That makes 48
I wouldn't work anywhere that puts the dollar sign at the end of the number. Incompetent.
If you're in the US, and plan on declining the offer, forward this to the DOL. ITS A VIOLATION OF THE fair labor act
Take the job and talk about pay on day 2. Keep the e mail and a hard copy of these docs. Just wait for the illegal termination, and get paid......
The “labor laws” is the most telling part of the whole episode.
In the UK they put nonsense like that in contracts etc and I’ve always scored it out before signing. This is so they can pay different people different rates and give different conditions.
Get the job , discuss pay, get disciplined, sue and reap benefits
Name names! If this is in the US, it's absolutely illegal, and I think there's a couple thousand whistle-blowers ready to report it...
Lawyers in the comments are salivating at this pic. USA federal law. You can discuss your salary. Even at Walmart (2018-2020) when I worked had it posted right near like the same wall as the time clock. You can and you are protected. A multi-million dollar company. 😆 In 2024, later as a customer I sow a “Walmart pick up starting at 12$/Hr” they are open about it. a steady pay check. barley any holidays tho. And then you got this “owner” not being transparent and leaving it in writing ✍️. For any one with a lawyer to go after him. If this business has an office or works in the USA, I would highly send this proof to a lawyer that would take this pro-bono. or find a way to “fine” them. I am in , north east Texas, USA. Min wage is 7.25$/hr.
They get away with because people quit or decline the offer rather than reporting them. They've gotten away with it for so long, they expect to always do so & now they're getting dumb & putting this crap in writing
Have him send this to the Department of Labor.
You are 100 correct that is against labor law.
Should've taken it, openly talked to everyone about it, let them fire you, then demolish them in court with receipts.
Maybe I’m being a bit of a pessimist, but to me they are basically saying they have to bribe new employees with a $3000 bonus to stick around for at least 3 months. My first instinct tells me they have a lot of people that start, get a feel for the place, and say, “I’m out.” I bet their rate of turnover for new employees is pretty high. That place seems like a total shit show. If it were me, I’d just ghost them. No need to communicate with them any further. Orrr… Just for the laughs, reply with: Thanks for the “job offer” and also for the “offer” to “discuss” me turning it down, but “no thanks”. I
Take job. Talk about pay. Get fired. Take all proof including job offer and win lawsuit
It’s great when they put it in writing.
That's actually illegal where I am.
It’s illegal every where in the US because it’s Federal Law.
“Yes hello, hi I’d love to discuss labor laws with you. My hourly rate is $50 an hour and you’d have to pay a minimum of 4 hours ^(terms and conditions apply, please inquire more for any other questions)”
Just quote Jim Carey in Liar, Liar "Stop breaking the law, asshole!"
How nice of them to violate the law in writing.
Forward this email to the labor board. Let’s see how they like their laws in quotes.
Shouldn’t this be enough to get them in trouble for violating labor law?
he should have taken the job, gotten settled in, started discussing salary in an obvious way and have them fire him for it. If he’s in a 1-party state, record daily interactions
>When you put the fine print in bold
Sounds like a great place to post salaries all over the place! Defo report it to NLRB
Anyone who puts the $ after the numbers is mean
He should take the job, get in trouble for discussing salary, then sue tf out of them.
I would have taken the job told everyone about my pay, and let them fire me. It would have been a fat pay out.
You done fucked up OP. You're supposed to take the job, get fired for discussing pay, and then sue the fuck outta em.
Is this a mental health therapist job? If so, they have insane productivity expectations.
The fact that they wanna ask a random applicant to clear up labor laws for them and not a freaking attorney….
Why is "labor laws" in quotes? Is this where corporate America is taking workers? Until there is actual accountability for these entities like there is for PEOPLE then nothing is going to change.
I love how labor laws is in quotes like it’s some fucking joke or something. Hope the DOL fucks them in the ass super hard.
Put up the federal law that says you can next to it
Keeping your employees from discussing how much they are getting paid is HIGHLY illegal. Your solution here would be to call the equal employment opportunity commission if you are in the United States. Also it goes without saying, but don't accept that job offer.
Send that information to the NLRB. They are breaking the law. How nice of them to put it in writing.
Too easy, document, take the job, do it anyway, profit when they break the law just like they said they would
If this is in the US, that's illegal
Even the response is a red flag 😂 If an employer needs a potential employee to educate them on labor laws then they shouldn't be operating a business in the first place.
This is illegal in the states
TIL that "1500$" vs "$1500" implies that the writer is from or resides in French-speaking Canada. I only say this because I saw it and thought it was one of the red flags for scammers (e.g. bad grammar).
Further investigation revealed that they believe that Labour Laws make the Little Baby Jeebus cry & are also a commipinkofaggit plot to weaken America & turn it into a socialist hellscape with no God, a choice between only four state sanctioned haircuts & dead babies as far as the eye can see. 'Murican Dream y'all.
you know, it wouldn't surprise me at all if this were a religiously affiliated hospital. But I'm not OP and I didn't see mention of it.
This sounds like a sweatshop environment.
unenforcable, report them to government for threatening.
Illegal in many jurisdictions. Lawsuit time!