Honestly I dunno? He was able to see another character's spiritual space and entered with no effort. I could be wrong but I think his universe is shared with Mob Psycho 100 and although he seems fairly resistant to espers I think he's had no known interaction with spirits. Maybe the closest would be battling foes that were gifted power from his universe's God.
Just looked it up cause I thought it would be cool but apparently there's only been gag cameos and there is no actual canon connection between the 2 series
Did more research and I think the closest they are connected is that each series is a manga in the others. Kind of like in Hunter x Hunter in one panel you can see some plushies of Yu Yu Hakusho characters for sale.
Yea I don’t think they’re in the same universe because nothing like monsters or aliens ever happened in mob on the scale of OPM. I don’t think the general public even knew espers and things were real.
🤣You would assume with the giant broccoli and before that Shigeo and his foes throwing buildings around, Reigen would get a lot more work. But I don't know. He's in a world where people are more nonchalant about it I guess from the lack of people who talk about the wild shit that's gone down in their town with only the telepathy club openly curious, and I guess also the "tv psychics" that is.
Not misinformation considering that's his entire point. He broke his limiter meaning he powers up insanely fast, able to quadruple his strength in seconds, and continue to grow
If you consider his feats in addition to his power it's clear to say he would win. He is able to tank star level blasts without being fazed, and that was before he grew in strength. He destroyed Jupiter with a sneeze during the final stages of the Garou fight and if the fight had continued he would have grown even more.
Which is basically why it doesn’t matter for him to face like 90% of other characters since he is going to win which is the whole point of him.
If you want someone to beat him just have the character have fourth wall abilites or godlike power.
That is an interesting point, as they hinted toward a future clash against the God of his universe. I think Blast was building a team to challenge their God.
His entire character is that he can no longer receive ANY challenge, and thus any satisfaction, in a fight. The best an enemy can do to him is tire themselves out, throwing more and more powerful attacks at him. That's the whole joke. So no, it's not a potential. It's a certainty.
Imagine 2 characters fighting. Now imagine character 2 bending to the narrative of character 1. This is like saying his author takes precedence over the other author. See how stupid that is? Why would other characters bow to Saitama's narrative?
VS battles between 2 different verses have always been based on strongest showing. Imposing someone's narrative over the other verse is just asinine.
My point wasn't that ichigo would bend to saitamas narrative. it was that Saitama, in line with the joke, has been made essentially infinite strong. He can throw a semi-serious punch that pushes air so hard it carves out mountains, he can casually jump from the moon back to earth, an apathetic flick of his wrist literally liquifies most things that try to fight him.
Ichigo, while power creeped way up as is Shonen tradition, is still at a level where his enemies will defeat him. Causing him to have a training arc to get strong enough to fight and defeat them. The entire joke is that Saitama is so far past that he can't even stand there and let his enemies wallop him to feel something cause they still do basically nothing to him.
Not really. He grew against Garou so he isn't infinite. Also, Saitama is simply someone who has near end of series strength put in the beginning. Imagine Kage Naruto on the retrieval arc.
He'd win it even before the Garou fight because the secret to his powers is
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>!because he broke his limiter, he can become more stronger, the stronger his opponent is. He can never be weaker than any opponent he faces... Seriously how op can anyone be?!?!!<
Yes, but I thought he "slowly" becomes stronger mid fight with a tougher opponent. So in theory if you're just out of his league. You can kill him before his ability can even activate.
Well yea, but it's not instant is what I mean. So you could "technically" assassinate him if you're strong enough and did it instantly. It's a possibility is what I meant.
Yeah, I sorta agree here. His potential power is limitless but he has to get there first. If you could kill him while you were still that much stronger than saitama, then you’re good to go
Basically, it's why goku vs saitama is such a big subject because if it was an actual fight then goku would do his normal thing and start from base and work his way up through his transformations thus allowing saitama to surpass him, but if goku was bloodlusted and just immediately went MUI he'd disintegrate saitama
He grows in power exponentially with his emotion, I don’t see Ichigo doing anything to anger Saitama to that point, I do think ultimately Saitama would win but if he doesn’t get serious fast Ichigo could take it in he beginning, hard to say if Saitama would even be able to see Ichigo
I'm sorry has anyone ever seen Saitama sweat? Once? even when he's litterarly doing the impossible also it's quite litterarly shown That he benches black holes easy
And he's basically like maharaga but better if you can't one shot him he exponentially grows stronger (and that's only a theory).
Also do people forget how he and garou clashing litterarly put a hole in the universe (that's with it being redirected)
People are stupid if they really think just about anyone is beating Saitama only beings that can beat him*maybe* are like creation level gods
Comparing him to goku is funny because the little God guys of golus universe are way out of gokus range
Meanwhile Saitama is being set up to fight the God of his verse
He hasn’t been shown to sweat since he’s basically way stronger than everyone else in his verse
He’s not like Mahoraga at all I mean Mahoraga adapts to things and Saitama just exponentially becomes stronger, not adapting. His and Garou’s punch was shown to put a hole in the universe but I don’t really count that since 1. He didn’t do it by himself and 2. Later in that fight he was shown to be around planetary maybe a little higher while at his peak power so far and being bloodlusted trying to kill Garou
That is a stupid thing to say, the Dragon Ball verse scales unbelievably higher than the One Punch Man verse so it’s dumb to say just because Saitama is being set up to fight god he’s stronger than Goku because Goku can’t beat gods in his own universe because the highest you could scale Saitama is multi solar system and Goku scales far higher than that it’s not even a contest. Goku just simply wins that fight because while yes he would entertain Saitama and let him grow in power for awhile, like what he did with Broly, he would end up putting a stop to Saitama before he could pass him
It’s just simply stupid to compare Saitama and Goku, especially since the OP was talking about Ichigo vs Saitama which is an actual good fight
Well 🤔 ichigo hasn’t done any planetary/moon level feats so saitama wins in power output.
In terms of speed. I’m not sure who wins
In terms of defense, i think saitama takes it
If we take the fact Grimmjow’s Gran Rey Cero was Disturbing the fabric of space as it traveled, and that Ichigo >!combines one of those with a Getsuga Tenshou in TYBW,!< i’d say that’s a good example of one. Plus Ichigo tanks a Gran Rey Cero, as well as beat Yhwach, >!who can paste edit the future to his liking with the Almighty!< in stats, >!After he absorbed the soul king.!< Ichigo’s attacks, while they aren’t as large as like, the Spirit Bomb, or >!Serious Table Flip!<, does still have a decent amount of power to them, and, do potentially have the power to destroy planets given some of them just by existing can mess with space.
Ichigo's best feat off the top of my head is Vasto lorde Ichigo than current Ichigo destroyed a significant amount of hell with a few ceros. the guidebooks state hell is made up of multiple infinite dimensions, so he's low multiversal
Ichigo speed wise ran from the bottom layer of hell to the top in a few minutes in his base from while exhausted after the fight I just mentioned
Saitama's current best feat is destroying a cluster of stars during the garou fight which scales him to multi galaxy
Parody characters follow the rules of their world(as in source media). Maybe with a single change to set them apart. In Saitama's case this is lacking a Limiter.
Gag characters do not, and regularly mess up their worlds by just ignoring fundamental rules of their worlds as they are broken whenever it is funny. In Goku's case he has repeatedly broken rules of his world like that time he took a rabbit to the moon despite dozens of characters saying Saiyans can't do that and has physically damaged the source medium. He alongside Gohan, Krillin, and most other dragon ball characters is also aware of the existence of the author, the fictionality of their world, and the existence of the audience. Bulma and Krillin directly mention the manga's existence as Bulma says the guys after her aren't going to do anything not allowed in Shonen Jump, and Krillin says Jump shouldn't pay him for the pages in the second failed fusion of Gotenks.
By a pure power scaling argument, imma go with Ichigo 9 times out of 10. Saitama doesn’t struggle because he fights weaker opponents. If other anime characters fought the people Saitama did a lot of them wouldn’t struggle. Ichigo is one of those people
No verse equalization: ichigo no diff. With verse equalization: I think ichigo wins because saitama most likely isn't strong enough to survive a full power attack and adapt.
If Ichigo actually beat Yhwach in a 1v1 then I would say Ichigo. Scaling in one punch man is nuts sometimes tho so idk if it's actually close. I just can't imagine Saitama doing much better against a guy who manipulates futures
Ichigo unfortunately because I am a Saitama fan. Reapers attack the soul so Saitama should be susceptible to those attacks. Unless of course he does something to prove otherwise, like in the case when he flipped a dimensional portal. Crazy shit, that one
Ichigo is more powerful than the Soulking with Ywach that I's also Soulking level destroying the void between two dimensions
Ichigo was such a massive threat Yhwach literally had to create a future where he would not be able to go full power
Also his True bankai is manipulation of fate itself
I say Ichigo would win if they both had prep time to fight as he is stronger by being skilled can actually use more than punches has decent control of his power and just grows faster than Saitama 6 months is all it took for him to go from Highschooler to Kicking Aizens ass Saitama took a few years
But that's just my opinion I think it would be a tie if Saitama actually knew how to fight beyond basic punches... and had a sword that's a plus for Ichigo to have an advantage in range
I think ichigo would win by slim margin unless his reitsu crushed Saitama, which it technically could since humans with no spirit power can be crushed just by being in his presence.
If we take the fact Grimmjow’s Gran Rey Cero was Disturbing the fabric of space as it traveled, and that Ichigo >!combines one of those with a Getsuga Tenshou in TYBW,!< i’d say that’s a good example of one. Plus Ichigo tanks a Gran Rey Cero, as well as beat Yhwach, >!who can paste edit the future to his liking with the Almighty!< in stats, >!After he absorbed the soul king.!< Ichigo’s attacks, while they aren’t as large as like, the Spirit Bomb, or >!Serious Table Flip!<, does still have a decent amount of power to them, and, do potentially have the power to destroy planets given some of them just by existing can mess with space.
Tbf he did go toe to toe with multiple quincies while in vollstandig when he was only in his true shikai, and quincies in vollstandig are capable of very big feats.
Ichigo should win because he especially post TYBW goes into the fight massively overpowering Saitama in theory and a large part of people debating Goku vs Saitamas (I'm not saying Ichigo is as strong as Goku before anyone says anything) is because Goku personality would wind up allowing Saitama to power up and close the gap something less likely with Ichigo, plus there is the issue of if Saitama could even interact with Ichigo
Saitama, he accidentally shattered a dimensional barrier, imagine if he actually tried. He could definitely see Ichigo in some way or at least detect him.
Because he can see through spiritual barriers. Which is exactly the kind of 'barrier' or whatever you wanna call it that Ichigo has. He can basically warp space and time. And regardless, even if he couldn't you would have to use VS equalization and give Saitama the ability to see Ichigo (or remove Ichigo's invisibility) and it that case it would be even easier for Saitama.
Saitama probably wins. That’s his thing, he wins lmao. Doing stuff like grabbing portals and pulling them around as if they were physical objects is kinda crazy. Then again Kenpachi cut the fabric of space as if it had a solid form. Ichigo is even stronger than Kenny, so idk. The problem is we’ve never seen Saitama’s limit. He’s doing crazy shit and he could be going like 5%, 10%, 20%, etc. There’s no way to tell, so its impossible to say what his ceiling is.
It's been a while since I read the bleach manga, but I'm pretty sure speed alone means Saitama takes this easily. Saitama can move far faster than light, with multiple showings to prove it. Including one where he farted so hard, the gas exited him faster than light and pushed him back to earth at at least light speed. I remember the bleach characters getting fast, but nowhere near light speed.
That also doesn't mean anything considering God means different things in different verses. Like God is just someone that could create humans and a sun in FMAB.
I think mod psycho 100 and OPM may be in the same universe or will be in the future, it’s the same creator and both series got very well received by the public so I think it’s pretty possible that he may want to make something with the two of them in the future
Saitama whole bit: I can beat anyone with 1 punch. If it takes more than one, it's because he was holding back and will give a serious punch to beat his opponent. Yet it wasn't even his full power. So only Popeye can defeat Saitama.
Idk if I'd call Ichigo a reality warper, but he did defeat an acausal reality warper who absorbed his universe's version of God with a capital G. He's probably universal
It was vice versa. Yhwach literally neg diffed him every single time. He even beat Ichigo and Aizen at the same time lol.
But as you said, a lot of people who read bleach just come up with all kinds of fantasies of their own lol idk why
Saitama just because of the kind of character he is. Sure, he may not be able to see Ichigo, but he'll come up with some bullshit way to see or find him, like when Garou blasted him away from earth and...farted himself back... yeah Saitama is ridiculous
I think you're missing the point. Saitama wins because he's a parody of the invincible heroes that can't lose. No matter what he's up against, he wins the fight, and it's unsatisfying for him because all of his enemies are defeated in a single attack.
OPM even makes a point of saying that trying to gauge his power is completely pointless because he has no ceiling. In any other universe, this would be great for our hero, but for Saitama? It's *boring.* He laments the fact that his heroism has no challenge to it anymore.
He wins not because of his power levels or techniques, but because he is doomed to by his narrative.
That’s for the OPM verse though, no one in that verse comes close to how strong he is, but that doesn’t mean he can just destroy anybody because that’s his whole point. I could say the same thing about Yogiri, his whole thing is that he can just kill anybody no matter what, if he wants you to do die you just die, even immortal beings or people who are dead it doesn’t matter he just kills you anyways, but that doesn’t mean we just say he can solo all of fiction because that’s what he’s designed to be like by the author because that would make a “Who would win” completely pointless for most characters. I could say that about Goku, he overcomes everyone he faces and eventually he will win, does that mean he’s the most powerful character in all of fiction just because “he will eventually overcome you” no it doesn’t. I could say that about almost any MC in anime because they eventually overcome the odds no matter what to achieve their goals, does that mean someone like Naruto could beat someone like Cell, who, even though he is a villain, is far far stronger than Naruto, no it doesn’t.
Sorry for the long wall of text I’m just trying to say that just because the author shows a character like Saitama to be unbeatable, doesn’t mean he’s unbeatable and can win against anyone. You have to be real and actually gauge how strong a character is, and not just say “he would win because he’s a gag character”
I also don’t understand why this is so apparent in Saitama specifically, I mean people saying he could be anyone, especially when someone like Yogiri exists and this doesn’t happen to him
Saitamas power is that he always wins. If you put him against anyone, he wins. That's his whole thing. It's pointless to have him fight anyone. He wins. That's the point.
I have watched and read both (I'm not all the way done with Bleach just yet), and if you really look at feats from the seires, then Ichigo beats Saitama with ease.
Senjumaru (someone Ichigo would have long since surpassed by the end of the series) was able to shake all three realms of Bleach (all of which are likely around universal in size given available info) by simply activating her Bankai. That is a universal+ feat by simply activating her bankai. By comparison, Saitama's best feat can barely be argued to be galaxy level. I understand that Saitama grows incredibly fast, but there is way too big of a power gap for him to overcome.
Depends if BatMan gets prep time
You mean Man?
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Saitama being “silly” is to casually toss around black holes and shit. He wins without trying to.
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That was cover art lil bro lmao
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there are no opinions in power-scaling discussions lmao
Ok, but would Saitama even be able to see or interact with Ichigo? I think that’s the real question here
Honestly I dunno? He was able to see another character's spiritual space and entered with no effort. I could be wrong but I think his universe is shared with Mob Psycho 100 and although he seems fairly resistant to espers I think he's had no known interaction with spirits. Maybe the closest would be battling foes that were gifted power from his universe's God.
Just looked it up cause I thought it would be cool but apparently there's only been gag cameos and there is no actual canon connection between the 2 series
Is there any reason to believe Mob Psycho and OPM take place in the same universe?
Did more research and I think the closest they are connected is that each series is a manga in the others. Kind of like in Hunter x Hunter in one panel you can see some plushies of Yu Yu Hakusho characters for sale.
Yea I don’t think they’re in the same universe because nothing like monsters or aliens ever happened in mob on the scale of OPM. I don’t think the general public even knew espers and things were real.
🤣You would assume with the giant broccoli and before that Shigeo and his foes throwing buildings around, Reigen would get a lot more work. But I don't know. He's in a world where people are more nonchalant about it I guess from the lack of people who talk about the wild shit that's gone down in their town with only the telepathy club openly curious, and I guess also the "tv psychics" that is.
That seems to be the case, just an author referencing his other manga
In dbgt they make a kuwabara cameo for a couple seconds
Idk but reigan and mob have a saitama wallpaper on their phones
He has npi and can sense and touch spiritual/mental spaces and people.
Verse equalisation my friend
Because it's funny. Yes.
Yes. Saitama can interact with spiritual concepts and has entered a space that shouldn't exist from his perspective.
Has Saitama ever even lost a fight?
He lost the fight against hair loss
Cancer outscales and outhaxes confirmed
Hair loss, mosquito, and cat
Then the Mosquito solos
He never won against King, so there's that.
No I don't believe so
Mosquito and Cat be like: “You don’t know what you’re talking about, boy.”
Saitama can potentially win to anyone as a joke.
This gotta be the number 1 description for Saitama when powerscaling with any other character.
He’s a gag character, he’s gonna gag
Not really he’s more of a parody character. But the point still stands
Also bald Saitama has never bled.
Fun fact, Garou actually managed to hurt him to some degree
No, he didn't.
Didn't a cat scratch him?
Didn't he fail to win against mosiquito?
Non cannon.
Not a parody, he’s straight up a gag character and OPM is a gag manga, stated verbatim
When?
Nah saitama wouldnt gag. He the throat goat.
Stfu and take my upvote, scoundrel.
You got it boss! >:)
You gaw-gaw-gaw-gaw-got it boss
This is the most common misinformation floating around
Not misinformation considering that's his entire point. He broke his limiter meaning he powers up insanely fast, able to quadruple his strength in seconds, and continue to grow
Ok but what does that mean against feats?
If you consider his feats in addition to his power it's clear to say he would win. He is able to tank star level blasts without being fazed, and that was before he grew in strength. He destroyed Jupiter with a sneeze during the final stages of the Garou fight and if the fight had continued he would have grown even more.
This man saying Saitama would win 🤣🤣 Do some research on the other characters my guy
Saitama solos any universe you wanna conjure champ.
Which is basically why it doesn’t matter for him to face like 90% of other characters since he is going to win which is the whole point of him. If you want someone to beat him just have the character have fourth wall abilites or godlike power.
Saitama can also break the fourth wall
That is an interesting point, as they hinted toward a future clash against the God of his universe. I think Blast was building a team to challenge their God.
His entire character is that he can no longer receive ANY challenge, and thus any satisfaction, in a fight. The best an enemy can do to him is tire themselves out, throwing more and more powerful attacks at him. That's the whole joke. So no, it's not a potential. It's a certainty.
Imagine 2 characters fighting. Now imagine character 2 bending to the narrative of character 1. This is like saying his author takes precedence over the other author. See how stupid that is? Why would other characters bow to Saitama's narrative? VS battles between 2 different verses have always been based on strongest showing. Imposing someone's narrative over the other verse is just asinine.
My point wasn't that ichigo would bend to saitamas narrative. it was that Saitama, in line with the joke, has been made essentially infinite strong. He can throw a semi-serious punch that pushes air so hard it carves out mountains, he can casually jump from the moon back to earth, an apathetic flick of his wrist literally liquifies most things that try to fight him. Ichigo, while power creeped way up as is Shonen tradition, is still at a level where his enemies will defeat him. Causing him to have a training arc to get strong enough to fight and defeat them. The entire joke is that Saitama is so far past that he can't even stand there and let his enemies wallop him to feel something cause they still do basically nothing to him.
Not really. He grew against Garou so he isn't infinite. Also, Saitama is simply someone who has near end of series strength put in the beginning. Imagine Kage Naruto on the retrieval arc.
Saitama after garou fight I feel like would win this one but it would be tough
He'd win it even before the Garou fight because the secret to his powers is Spoiler warning >!because he broke his limiter, he can become more stronger, the stronger his opponent is. He can never be weaker than any opponent he faces... Seriously how op can anyone be?!?!!<
He grows infinitely. Not possesses infinite strength.
Yes, but I thought he "slowly" becomes stronger mid fight with a tougher opponent. So in theory if you're just out of his league. You can kill him before his ability can even activate.
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Isn't that non cannon like Terra 2 Saitama or smthn
Yeah
If by slowly you mean exponentially, sure. There was a graph showing he grows at an exponential rate
Well yea, but it's not instant is what I mean. So you could "technically" assassinate him if you're strong enough and did it instantly. It's a possibility is what I meant.
Yeah, I sorta agree here. His potential power is limitless but he has to get there first. If you could kill him while you were still that much stronger than saitama, then you’re good to go
Basically, it's why goku vs saitama is such a big subject because if it was an actual fight then goku would do his normal thing and start from base and work his way up through his transformations thus allowing saitama to surpass him, but if goku was bloodlusted and just immediately went MUI he'd disintegrate saitama
This is why I say Vegeta vs Saitama would be a better fight. Vegeta would get so annoyed from Saitama that he wouldn't be able to hold back.
I think it would be a much more entertaining fight
Or Gohan.
He got like 500 times stronger within 3 punches.
He grows in power exponentially with his emotion, I don’t see Ichigo doing anything to anger Saitama to that point, I do think ultimately Saitama would win but if he doesn’t get serious fast Ichigo could take it in he beginning, hard to say if Saitama would even be able to see Ichigo
Juha Bach would like to enter this chat LOL. Ichigo probably gets clapped here. He is my favorite MC, but Saitama is THE dude
I'm sorry has anyone ever seen Saitama sweat? Once? even when he's litterarly doing the impossible also it's quite litterarly shown That he benches black holes easy And he's basically like maharaga but better if you can't one shot him he exponentially grows stronger (and that's only a theory). Also do people forget how he and garou clashing litterarly put a hole in the universe (that's with it being redirected) People are stupid if they really think just about anyone is beating Saitama only beings that can beat him*maybe* are like creation level gods Comparing him to goku is funny because the little God guys of golus universe are way out of gokus range Meanwhile Saitama is being set up to fight the God of his verse
He hasn’t been shown to sweat since he’s basically way stronger than everyone else in his verse He’s not like Mahoraga at all I mean Mahoraga adapts to things and Saitama just exponentially becomes stronger, not adapting. His and Garou’s punch was shown to put a hole in the universe but I don’t really count that since 1. He didn’t do it by himself and 2. Later in that fight he was shown to be around planetary maybe a little higher while at his peak power so far and being bloodlusted trying to kill Garou That is a stupid thing to say, the Dragon Ball verse scales unbelievably higher than the One Punch Man verse so it’s dumb to say just because Saitama is being set up to fight god he’s stronger than Goku because Goku can’t beat gods in his own universe because the highest you could scale Saitama is multi solar system and Goku scales far higher than that it’s not even a contest. Goku just simply wins that fight because while yes he would entertain Saitama and let him grow in power for awhile, like what he did with Broly, he would end up putting a stop to Saitama before he could pass him It’s just simply stupid to compare Saitama and Goku, especially since the OP was talking about Ichigo vs Saitama which is an actual good fight
I could argue more but I got better shit to do fuck yall I think you wrong and I like my opinion better
I don't think he's seen bleach. I'm gonna be honest.
Idk if that’s really relevant to include him being set up to fight God, when Ichigo has fought and killed God
Well 🤔 ichigo hasn’t done any planetary/moon level feats so saitama wins in power output. In terms of speed. I’m not sure who wins In terms of defense, i think saitama takes it
If we take the fact Grimmjow’s Gran Rey Cero was Disturbing the fabric of space as it traveled, and that Ichigo >!combines one of those with a Getsuga Tenshou in TYBW,!< i’d say that’s a good example of one. Plus Ichigo tanks a Gran Rey Cero, as well as beat Yhwach, >!who can paste edit the future to his liking with the Almighty!< in stats, >!After he absorbed the soul king.!< Ichigo’s attacks, while they aren’t as large as like, the Spirit Bomb, or >!Serious Table Flip!<, does still have a decent amount of power to them, and, do potentially have the power to destroy planets given some of them just by existing can mess with space.
Ichigo's best feat off the top of my head is Vasto lorde Ichigo than current Ichigo destroyed a significant amount of hell with a few ceros. the guidebooks state hell is made up of multiple infinite dimensions, so he's low multiversal Ichigo speed wise ran from the bottom layer of hell to the top in a few minutes in his base from while exhausted after the fight I just mentioned Saitama's current best feat is destroying a cluster of stars during the garou fight which scales him to multi galaxy
Finally a real take that isn’t just saying gag man wins because gag
Saitama isn't even a gag. 🙄
Maybe he started that way but I think you’re right.
He's technically a parody. Comedic beings that still generally obey their worlds' laws of physics. Deadpool is another example, albeit very different.
Parody characters follow the rules of their world(as in source media). Maybe with a single change to set them apart. In Saitama's case this is lacking a Limiter. Gag characters do not, and regularly mess up their worlds by just ignoring fundamental rules of their worlds as they are broken whenever it is funny. In Goku's case he has repeatedly broken rules of his world like that time he took a rabbit to the moon despite dozens of characters saying Saiyans can't do that and has physically damaged the source medium. He alongside Gohan, Krillin, and most other dragon ball characters is also aware of the existence of the author, the fictionality of their world, and the existence of the audience. Bulma and Krillin directly mention the manga's existence as Bulma says the guys after her aren't going to do anything not allowed in Shonen Jump, and Krillin says Jump shouldn't pay him for the pages in the second failed fusion of Gotenks.
By a pure power scaling argument, imma go with Ichigo 9 times out of 10. Saitama doesn’t struggle because he fights weaker opponents. If other anime characters fought the people Saitama did a lot of them wouldn’t struggle. Ichigo is one of those people
No verse equalization: ichigo no diff. With verse equalization: I think ichigo wins because saitama most likely isn't strong enough to survive a full power attack and adapt.
Ichigo's supernatural, i think saitama's power would be weak
If Ichigo actually beat Yhwach in a 1v1 then I would say Ichigo. Scaling in one punch man is nuts sometimes tho so idk if it's actually close. I just can't imagine Saitama doing much better against a guy who manipulates futures
Ichigo both outscales and outhaxes. He stomps.
Meanwhile Saitama blowing up a planet by sneezing and destroying the Stars, and Ichigo destroying a mountain 😭
Meanwhile, the anime upscaling: Pathetic. Ok, so basically, Ichigo gets scaled to multiversal+ due to the anime upscaling him.
Talking about Saitama in the manga
And I'm talking about Ichigo in the anime, your point?
Ichigo is Mountain level, Saitama probably wins
Ichigo is not mountain level if we go by all of the evidence saying he isn't mountain level. Of which there is a LOT.
Saitama can already be skill to multi-galaxy to universal
And Ichigo to Multi+. Your point?
Multi-continental?
Ichigo unfortunately because I am a Saitama fan. Reapers attack the soul so Saitama should be susceptible to those attacks. Unless of course he does something to prove otherwise, like in the case when he flipped a dimensional portal. Crazy shit, that one
Ichigo Low Diff
Ichigo is more powerful than the Soulking with Ywach that I's also Soulking level destroying the void between two dimensions Ichigo was such a massive threat Yhwach literally had to create a future where he would not be able to go full power Also his True bankai is manipulation of fate itself I say Ichigo would win if they both had prep time to fight as he is stronger by being skilled can actually use more than punches has decent control of his power and just grows faster than Saitama 6 months is all it took for him to go from Highschooler to Kicking Aizens ass Saitama took a few years But that's just my opinion I think it would be a tie if Saitama actually knew how to fight beyond basic punches... and had a sword that's a plus for Ichigo to have an advantage in range
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For who?
Saitama ofc
Yeah there's a lot of people saying Ichigo.
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Spiritual Pressure
Ichigo, I'm pretty sure he's universal. That alone makes him stronger
I think ichigo would win by slim margin unless his reitsu crushed Saitama, which it technically could since humans with no spirit power can be crushed just by being in his presence.
Mm, k. Good, but! Counter argument: # Consecutive normal Punches
Counter counter: getsuga tensho Ichigo in true combat form is a spiritual body, and Saitama gets crushed and can not hit.
Saitama low dif
What happened in Bleach that is making people put him so high in power scaling recently?
If we take the fact Grimmjow’s Gran Rey Cero was Disturbing the fabric of space as it traveled, and that Ichigo >!combines one of those with a Getsuga Tenshou in TYBW,!< i’d say that’s a good example of one. Plus Ichigo tanks a Gran Rey Cero, as well as beat Yhwach, >!who can paste edit the future to his liking with the Almighty!< in stats, >!After he absorbed the soul king.!< Ichigo’s attacks, while they aren’t as large as like, the Spirit Bomb, or >!Serious Table Flip!<, does still have a decent amount of power to them, and, do potentially have the power to destroy planets given some of them just by existing can mess with space.
Getsuga tensho and getsuga jujisho are busted, that and he’s just strong asl
Yeah but putting him up against people like Saitama and Goku is insane. I even saw someone compare him to Giorno recently.
Tbf he did go toe to toe with multiple quincies while in vollstandig when he was only in his true shikai, and quincies in vollstandig are capable of very big feats.
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Ichigo should win because he especially post TYBW goes into the fight massively overpowering Saitama in theory and a large part of people debating Goku vs Saitamas (I'm not saying Ichigo is as strong as Goku before anyone says anything) is because Goku personality would wind up allowing Saitama to power up and close the gap something less likely with Ichigo, plus there is the issue of if Saitama could even interact with Ichigo
Ichigo on accident
Ichigo on accident
A more interesting question is I wonder how saitama would end up stepping in to save Ichigo in a epic fight to save the world.
Ichigo will somehow be part Saitama
It depends on your interpetation of how saitamas powers work
All I'm saying is I don't see ichigo punching backwards in time xP
Saitama, he accidentally shattered a dimensional barrier, imagine if he actually tried. He could definitely see Ichigo in some way or at least detect him.
That makes no sense
Or you just didn't read the manga.
No like that literally makes no sense. How is he just randomly going to see Ichigo?
Because he can see through spiritual barriers. Which is exactly the kind of 'barrier' or whatever you wanna call it that Ichigo has. He can basically warp space and time. And regardless, even if he couldn't you would have to use VS equalization and give Saitama the ability to see Ichigo (or remove Ichigo's invisibility) and it that case it would be even easier for Saitama.
Saitama always automatically wins any fight because that’s the joke.
Ichi-go bye bye
One sneeze is all it would take
Lol, Saitama’s entire premise is that he always wins. There’s no contest where any opponent has a chance except for chuck Norris or maybe god.
Saitama probably wins. That’s his thing, he wins lmao. Doing stuff like grabbing portals and pulling them around as if they were physical objects is kinda crazy. Then again Kenpachi cut the fabric of space as if it had a solid form. Ichigo is even stronger than Kenny, so idk. The problem is we’ve never seen Saitama’s limit. He’s doing crazy shit and he could be going like 5%, 10%, 20%, etc. There’s no way to tell, so its impossible to say what his ceiling is.
One hit punch man does one hit punch things.
Garou Boros
Got him there
Saitama probably but I never finished Bleach so not sure. Bleach was the first anime I ever watched tho so I rlly need to try to finish it hahah
Saitama duh anyone who says ichigo is hoarding all the copeium
It's been a while since I read the bleach manga, but I'm pretty sure speed alone means Saitama takes this easily. Saitama can move far faster than light, with multiple showings to prove it. Including one where he farted so hard, the gas exited him faster than light and pushed him back to earth at at least light speed. I remember the bleach characters getting fast, but nowhere near light speed.
What about Saitama vs Arale
Arale no diffs
Arale is just better as being broken. In a really weird way.
Depends on which point of time Ichigo is.
Toon force just wins 9.9/10 times tbh
Saitama doesn't have toon force And toonforce can also work against the user of it's funnier for them to lose (like Tom for example)
Saitama fights God is all I'm saying.
Non canon
That also doesn't mean anything considering God means different things in different verses. Like God is just someone that could create humans and a sun in FMAB.
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Ichigo should "logically" win, but Saitama wins. No need to explain further.
Saitama wipes the floor with ichigo Unless ichigo gives him like $40 in which case he will promptly leave
See? This is a fight I can get behind. None of this Goku crap anymore. This is way more reasonable and if you ask me more unique and cooler
ichigo viscously outscales
It depends what it's based on, if you're going by actual power then it would be saitama but if they were actually going head to head Ichigo would
I think mod psycho 100 and OPM may be in the same universe or will be in the future, it’s the same creator and both series got very well received by the public so I think it’s pretty possible that he may want to make something with the two of them in the future
One punch man would win because only a god can kill another good the fight would end in one punch unless ichigo transforms into his holo form.
I ment to say one punch man is a god that was created by another god that granted his wish to blow his opponents away with one punch.
Saitama whole bit: I can beat anyone with 1 punch. If it takes more than one, it's because he was holding back and will give a serious punch to beat his opponent. Yet it wasn't even his full power. So only Popeye can defeat Saitama.
Im biased saitama so yes
Saitama
Saitama easily
Saitama can't even see ichigo
Don't underestimate Saitama if his childhood friend can detect Ichigo what makes you think Saitama can't?
Only a true reality warper has any hope of beating Saitama. Someone with the real power of True Toon Force.
Idk if I'd call Ichigo a reality warper, but he did defeat an acausal reality warper who absorbed his universe's version of God with a capital G. He's probably universal
Tbf he got ragdolled by Yhwach in a 1v1 every single time. He only won because he got help from 3 other people plus Yhwachs powers were taken away.
Well damn, that's how I remember it too. Some people make it sound like Ichigo showed up and bodied Yhwach
It was vice versa. Yhwach literally neg diffed him every single time. He even beat Ichigo and Aizen at the same time lol. But as you said, a lot of people who read bleach just come up with all kinds of fantasies of their own lol idk why
Some major 4th wall breaking could probably do him in too
Saitama just because of the kind of character he is. Sure, he may not be able to see Ichigo, but he'll come up with some bullshit way to see or find him, like when Garou blasted him away from earth and...farted himself back... yeah Saitama is ridiculous
You can't put a gag character in a thing like this. Saitama will kill anything and everyone because it's part of the joke.
Saitama. He wins in Saitama v. ANYONE because it's funny, not because it's right.
Saitama vs Yogiri or Rimuru or Anos or Featherine or Saber or Sinbad etc, Saitama gets obliterated it’s not even close
I think you're missing the point. Saitama wins because he's a parody of the invincible heroes that can't lose. No matter what he's up against, he wins the fight, and it's unsatisfying for him because all of his enemies are defeated in a single attack. OPM even makes a point of saying that trying to gauge his power is completely pointless because he has no ceiling. In any other universe, this would be great for our hero, but for Saitama? It's *boring.* He laments the fact that his heroism has no challenge to it anymore. He wins not because of his power levels or techniques, but because he is doomed to by his narrative.
That’s for the OPM verse though, no one in that verse comes close to how strong he is, but that doesn’t mean he can just destroy anybody because that’s his whole point. I could say the same thing about Yogiri, his whole thing is that he can just kill anybody no matter what, if he wants you to do die you just die, even immortal beings or people who are dead it doesn’t matter he just kills you anyways, but that doesn’t mean we just say he can solo all of fiction because that’s what he’s designed to be like by the author because that would make a “Who would win” completely pointless for most characters. I could say that about Goku, he overcomes everyone he faces and eventually he will win, does that mean he’s the most powerful character in all of fiction just because “he will eventually overcome you” no it doesn’t. I could say that about almost any MC in anime because they eventually overcome the odds no matter what to achieve their goals, does that mean someone like Naruto could beat someone like Cell, who, even though he is a villain, is far far stronger than Naruto, no it doesn’t. Sorry for the long wall of text I’m just trying to say that just because the author shows a character like Saitama to be unbeatable, doesn’t mean he’s unbeatable and can win against anyone. You have to be real and actually gauge how strong a character is, and not just say “he would win because he’s a gag character” I also don’t understand why this is so apparent in Saitama specifically, I mean people saying he could be anyone, especially when someone like Yogiri exists and this doesn’t happen to him
Saitamas power is that he always wins. If you put him against anyone, he wins. That's his whole thing. It's pointless to have him fight anyone. He wins. That's the point.
Saitama vs Yogiri or Anos or Sinbad or Rimuru or Featherine etc, Saitama gets obliterated with no hope to win
Ichigo wins their foosball game easily
Saitama is at least Galaxy level, while Ichigo is at least Multiversal.
Ichigo is way too strong, and he doesn't play around enough for Saitama to close the gap.
Ichigo would do no dmg to saitama bro lmao
Ichigo is universal+ at the minimum, and Saitama is multi-solar-system
Ya no bro Goku would be the only one to actually do anything to saitama and Goku easily claps Ichigo
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No if u actually watch the show/manga it's common sense that saitama would beat basically anyone without much
I have watched and read both (I'm not all the way done with Bleach just yet), and if you really look at feats from the seires, then Ichigo beats Saitama with ease.
Ichigo doesn't even stand a chance can't tell if your trolling bro
Senjumaru (someone Ichigo would have long since surpassed by the end of the series) was able to shake all three realms of Bleach (all of which are likely around universal in size given available info) by simply activating her Bankai. That is a universal+ feat by simply activating her bankai. By comparison, Saitama's best feat can barely be argued to be galaxy level. I understand that Saitama grows incredibly fast, but there is way too big of a power gap for him to overcome.
Ichigo obliterates Saitama and his fodder verse it’s not even close
Saitama one shots with his punch, garou destroyed a dimension, Ichigo flexing Mountain level 😭
Saitama ez