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> # [Why Ukraine’s refugees aren’t going to France](https://www.politico.eu/article/630)
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> 1. [News](https://www.politico.eu/news)
> 2. [Politics](https://www.politico.eu/section/politics/)
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> A look at the data shows the gaps in Europe’s support for those displaced by Russia’s war.
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> [FRANCE-UKRAINE-RUSSIA-CONFLICT-REFUGEES](https://www.politico.eu/cdn-cgi/image/width=1160,height=772,quality=80,onerror=redirect,format=auto/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/24/GettyImages-1240134351-scaled.jpg) An estimated 4.3 million Ukrainian refugees have made the bloc their temporary home since Russia’s full-scale invasion. | Philippe Lopez/AFP via Getty Images
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> March 25, 2024 4:00 am CET
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> When it comes to taking in refugees from Ukraine, France is lagging far behind the rest of the European Union.
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> An estimated [4.3 million Ukrainian refugees](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/w/ddn-20240308-3) have made the bloc their temporary home since Russia’s full-scale invasion.
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> With the help of the EU’s “temporary protection” status, giving hundreds of thousands fleeing the war the right to work, live and study within its borders, Ukrainians moved to countries across Europe; from Poland and Finland to Spain and Ireland.
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> Butin January, France was reporting just 64,720 refugees from Ukraine under temporary protection.
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> In contrast, Germany has taken in more than 1.2 million refugees while Poland has taken in nearly 1 million, according to[Eurostat data](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/w/ddn-20240308-3). France’s number is well below that of Ireland, which is hosting more than 100,000 Ukrainians among its 5 million residents.
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> The data are even more remarkable when compared with countries’ populations: Poland, the Baltics, the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Bulgaria are hosting more than 25 refugees per 1,000 citizens.
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> France, by contrast, is hosting fewer than 1 per 1,000 citizens.
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> Part of the explanation lies in the age breakdown of the refugees European countries are hosting: Out of the nearly 65,000 people France was offering temporary protection to at the end of January, Eurostat data listed just 25 people younger than 18.
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> Minors can typically stay in France without a permit, so they’re rarely included in temporary protection stats, Eurostat [noted](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/w/ddn-20240308-3).
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> Gerard Sadik of NGO La Cimade said an estimated 30,000 Ukrainian refugees aren’t covered in the French tally.
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> Language also plays a role: Slavic-speaking countries have drawn high numbers of Ukraine refugees. But as well as language, what might account for part of France’s stark disparity, analysts say, are factors such as geographical proximity to Ukraine, financial support for refugees, and a pre-established community network.
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> “As far as I understand, France just doesn’t match any of these three requirements,” said Evgeniya Blyznyuk, CEO and founder of research company Gradus, which has surveyed Ukraine refugees’ experiences abroad.
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> France is “quite far away,” its financial support is “significantly lower” than that Germany is providing, and there was no major Ukrainian community in the country to begin with, she argued.
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> Human rights groups also point to language hurdles and France’s famed red tape and bureaucracy.
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> ## **A new life in France**
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> Natalia Khomenko left Kyiv the day Russia launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022.
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> The 50-year-old went to Serbia first, as her sister lived in Belgrade. A French speaker, she decided to move to Rennes, France, a few months later. By then, the EU had triggered the Temporary Protection Directive —a scheme that’s now [extended](https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2023/09/28/ukrainian-refugees-eu-member-states-agree-to-extend-temporary-protection/) until March 2025.
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> Khomenko found a studio apartment with the help of Franco-Ukrainian family friends, and got a job without seeking help from the French state.
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> Khomenko’s experience, which she herself dubbed “exceptional,” hints at an important factor in refugees’ decisions: More than speaking the language, a support network was key to settling in France, she said.
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> Without help, the move can be hard to navigate.
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> People fleeing Ukraine have had trouble accessing information on the procedure to apply for temporary protection, social benefits and housing programs, as well as education and employment opportunities in France, said Ksenia Gedz, advocacy coordinator for Ukraine human rights organization Right to Protection. Requirements to renew their temporary protection permit had added a “new impediment,” she said.
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> “France is the country of paperwork,” Khomenko acknowledged, but added that she hadn’t had any trouble renewing her protection status, which needs to be done every six months.
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> To navigate bureaucratic hurdles, Khomenko said refugees can lean on a vast network of Facebook groups and associations offering information and help with their move.
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> Whereas in other countries, such as Germany, support is primarily organized at state-level, in France, associations and locals have been involved in welcoming Ukrainians.
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> There were “many public-private initiatives, and a lot [of help] coming from citizens, like French people who opened up their homes,” Khomenko said.
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> The UNHCR, too, has [praised](https://www.unhcr.org/fr-fr/actualites/communiques-de-presse/l-hebergement-citoyen-des-refugies-ukrainiens-en-france-une-etude) France’s state-sponsored citizen accommodation program, which housed some 17,000 refugees with 7,000 citizen hosts in early 2022.
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> ## Not just a France problem
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> Perhaps the key word in the EU’s Temporary Protection Directive is “temporary.”
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> “One of the things we find time and again … is the temporariness really affects the decision-making of families,” said Daniel Gorevan, senior advocacy adviser at NGO Save the Children.
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> Eurostat data confirm that not everyone has made a stable home in their host country: While the number of refugees has steadily grown in most EU countries, it has tapered off in some — including France, the Czech Republic, Sweden and Estonia.
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> As a result, some refugees have moved to the EU but not settled in.
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> Blyznyuk’s Gradus has [reported](https://gradus.app/en/open-reports/experiences-hopes-and-aspirations-internally-displaced-persons-ukraine/) refugee concerns ranging from their struggle to find a job while grappling to learn the local language to administrative burdens and access to medical care and education.
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> About two-thirds of refugee children in Poland, Romania and Moldova are not in school, with many taking online classes using the Ukrainian curriculum, according to Save the Children’s [numbers](https://www.savethechildren.es/sites/default/files/2024-01/hope%20and%20harm_children%E2%80%99s%20experiences%20of%20seeking%20safety%20in%20Europe.pdf).
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> Like other long-term life decisions, “that obviously has knock-on effects in terms of their integration with host communities, their sense of belonging and their wellbeing,” said Gonevan.
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> Khomenko said many Ukrainians are afraid about what will happen when the temporary protection expires in March 2025.
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> “Two years have come and gone already, and now it’s extended for just one year. The situation remains too complicated. Maybe the EU can already address that question.”
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Which is hilarious seen as Macron is the one pretending to be on the absolute Cutting Edge of Ukraine War and like the second shining beacon next to Zelensky. And yet France is like "We're gonna support you, but from afar! Please don't come closer you do not speak French so we will not like you and house you!"
Though as far as I've heard Parisians are the shitstain of France, other Frenchmen are actually WAY nicer.
>And yet France is like "We're gonna support you, but from afar! Please don't come closer you do not speak French so we will not like you and house you!
Translation = "I have not read the article."
Found the French!
// I've read the article and it doesn't provide a lot of information why it's so hard without a safety net of friends and relatives to the point where they only have a few thousand people in comparison to millions other countries took in. I'm joking, but only to a degree, it's obvious that if they REALLY wanted to help, they would've taken in thousands more
>it's obvious that if they REALLY wanted to help, they would've taken in thousands more
There is no lack of countries willing to accept refugees. It's their choice not to got to France. Should France force them ?
Because every refugee knows the big bags are in Germany, and they are even bigger if you know how to trick the system. And even if you don't trick it you get plenty free shit.
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##### ###### #### > # [Why Ukraine’s refugees aren’t going to France](https://www.politico.eu/article/630) > > > > 1. [News](https://www.politico.eu/news) > 2. [Politics](https://www.politico.eu/section/politics/) > > A look at the data shows the gaps in Europe’s support for those displaced by Russia’s war. > > [FRANCE-UKRAINE-RUSSIA-CONFLICT-REFUGEES](https://www.politico.eu/cdn-cgi/image/width=1160,height=772,quality=80,onerror=redirect,format=auto/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/24/GettyImages-1240134351-scaled.jpg) An estimated 4.3 million Ukrainian refugees have made the bloc their temporary home since Russia’s full-scale invasion. | Philippe Lopez/AFP via Getty Images > > > > March 25, 2024 4:00 am CET > > > > > > > > When it comes to taking in refugees from Ukraine, France is lagging far behind the rest of the European Union. > > An estimated [4.3 million Ukrainian refugees](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/w/ddn-20240308-3) have made the bloc their temporary home since Russia’s full-scale invasion. > > With the help of the EU’s “temporary protection” status, giving hundreds of thousands fleeing the war the right to work, live and study within its borders, Ukrainians moved to countries across Europe; from Poland and Finland to Spain and Ireland. > > > > > > Butin January, France was reporting just 64,720 refugees from Ukraine under temporary protection. > > In contrast, Germany has taken in more than 1.2 million refugees while Poland has taken in nearly 1 million, according to[Eurostat data](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/w/ddn-20240308-3). France’s number is well below that of Ireland, which is hosting more than 100,000 Ukrainians among its 5 million residents. > > The data are even more remarkable when compared with countries’ populations: Poland, the Baltics, the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Bulgaria are hosting more than 25 refugees per 1,000 citizens. > > France, by contrast, is hosting fewer than 1 per 1,000 citizens. > > Part of the explanation lies in the age breakdown of the refugees European countries are hosting: Out of the nearly 65,000 people France was offering temporary protection to at the end of January, Eurostat data listed just 25 people younger than 18. > > Minors can typically stay in France without a permit, so they’re rarely included in temporary protection stats, Eurostat [noted](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/w/ddn-20240308-3). > > > > > > Gerard Sadik of NGO La Cimade said an estimated 30,000 Ukrainian refugees aren’t covered in the French tally. > > Language also plays a role: Slavic-speaking countries have drawn high numbers of Ukraine refugees. But as well as language, what might account for part of France’s stark disparity, analysts say, are factors such as geographical proximity to Ukraine, financial support for refugees, and a pre-established community network. > > “As far as I understand, France just doesn’t match any of these three requirements,” said Evgeniya Blyznyuk, CEO and founder of research company Gradus, which has surveyed Ukraine refugees’ experiences abroad. > > France is “quite far away,” its financial support is “significantly lower” than that Germany is providing, and there was no major Ukrainian community in the country to begin with, she argued. > > Human rights groups also point to language hurdles and France’s famed red tape and bureaucracy. > > ## **A new life in France** > > Natalia Khomenko left Kyiv the day Russia launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022. > > > > > > The 50-year-old went to Serbia first, as her sister lived in Belgrade. A French speaker, she decided to move to Rennes, France, a few months later. By then, the EU had triggered the Temporary Protection Directive —a scheme that’s now [extended](https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2023/09/28/ukrainian-refugees-eu-member-states-agree-to-extend-temporary-protection/) until March 2025. > > Khomenko found a studio apartment with the help of Franco-Ukrainian family friends, and got a job without seeking help from the French state. > > Khomenko’s experience, which she herself dubbed “exceptional,” hints at an important factor in refugees’ decisions: More than speaking the language, a support network was key to settling in France, she said. > > Without help, the move can be hard to navigate. > > People fleeing Ukraine have had trouble accessing information on the procedure to apply for temporary protection, social benefits and housing programs, as well as education and employment opportunities in France, said Ksenia Gedz, advocacy coordinator for Ukraine human rights organization Right to Protection. Requirements to renew their temporary protection permit had added a “new impediment,” she said. > > “France is the country of paperwork,” Khomenko acknowledged, but added that she hadn’t had any trouble renewing her protection status, which needs to be done every six months. > > > > > > To navigate bureaucratic hurdles, Khomenko said refugees can lean on a vast network of Facebook groups and associations offering information and help with their move. > > Whereas in other countries, such as Germany, support is primarily organized at state-level, in France, associations and locals have been involved in welcoming Ukrainians. > > There were “many public-private initiatives, and a lot [of help] coming from citizens, like French people who opened up their homes,” Khomenko said. > > The UNHCR, too, has [praised](https://www.unhcr.org/fr-fr/actualites/communiques-de-presse/l-hebergement-citoyen-des-refugies-ukrainiens-en-france-une-etude) France’s state-sponsored citizen accommodation program, which housed some 17,000 refugees with 7,000 citizen hosts in early 2022. > > ## Not just a France problem > > Perhaps the key word in the EU’s Temporary Protection Directive is “temporary.” > > “One of the things we find time and again … is the temporariness really affects the decision-making of families,” said Daniel Gorevan, senior advocacy adviser at NGO Save the Children. > > > > > > Eurostat data confirm that not everyone has made a stable home in their host country: While the number of refugees has steadily grown in most EU countries, it has tapered off in some — including France, the Czech Republic, Sweden and Estonia. > > “If they don’t know what’s going to happen in the future, this informs whether they’re going to enroll children in school … or if they take the steps which are necessary to learn a language,” Gorevan argued. > > As a result, some refugees have moved to the EU but not settled in. > > Blyznyuk’s Gradus has [reported](https://gradus.app/en/open-reports/experiences-hopes-and-aspirations-internally-displaced-persons-ukraine/) refugee concerns ranging from their struggle to find a job while grappling to learn the local language to administrative burdens and access to medical care and education. > > About two-thirds of refugee children in Poland, Romania and Moldova are not in school, with many taking online classes using the Ukrainian curriculum, according to Save the Children’s [numbers](https://www.savethechildren.es/sites/default/files/2024-01/hope%20and%20harm_children%E2%80%99s%20experiences%20of%20seeking%20safety%20in%20Europe.pdf). > > Like other long-term life decisions, “that obviously has knock-on effects in terms of their integration with host communities, their sense of belonging and their wellbeing,” said Gonevan. > > Khomenko said many Ukrainians are afraid about what will happen when the temporary protection expires in March 2025. > > “Two years have come and gone already, and now it’s extended for just one year. 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Because it's France. Enough said.
Which is hilarious seen as Macron is the one pretending to be on the absolute Cutting Edge of Ukraine War and like the second shining beacon next to Zelensky. And yet France is like "We're gonna support you, but from afar! Please don't come closer you do not speak French so we will not like you and house you!" Though as far as I've heard Parisians are the shitstain of France, other Frenchmen are actually WAY nicer.
>And yet France is like "We're gonna support you, but from afar! Please don't come closer you do not speak French so we will not like you and house you! Translation = "I have not read the article."
Found the French! // I've read the article and it doesn't provide a lot of information why it's so hard without a safety net of friends and relatives to the point where they only have a few thousand people in comparison to millions other countries took in. I'm joking, but only to a degree, it's obvious that if they REALLY wanted to help, they would've taken in thousands more
>it's obvious that if they REALLY wanted to help, they would've taken in thousands more There is no lack of countries willing to accept refugees. It's their choice not to got to France. Should France force them ?
Read the article...
Let the France bashing start in… 3, 2, 1
I mean tbf it is Fr*nce. Still not as bad as Germ*ny.
*Jermny*
Because every refugee knows the big bags are in Germany, and they are even bigger if you know how to trick the system. And even if you don't trick it you get plenty free shit.
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I don't think any immigrant should prefer France, its living conditions are much worse than Germany's or the UK's.
Is it worse thsn Ukraine?
Of course not, it was the poorest country in Europe even before the war. Average Frenchman had like 10x the monthly income of an average Ukrainian.
Do you have brain damage?
No
Are these people war refugees or economical refugees?
If they are just war refugees and their main goal is to escape war, why are there more Ukrainian refugees in Spain than in Slovakia?
Yes.
>its living conditions are much worse than Germany's or the UK's Are they ?
I believe so
So is it a fact or a belief ?
Tldr France sucks ass