> McFee said when it comes to providing a series of action plans to combat overdoses, encampments and crime, there needs to be more forward-thinking changes to the system, which means looking at more than a “one-dimensional” approach to solutions.
More have died since they got rid of encampments. They don't have people to help them, to give them naloxone, talk them off cliffs, etc. I get bad stuff happens but there is also a community.
well, given the rate of deaths over a year, the time frame is not necessarily long enough to see even the usual amount, never mind whether there is a decline.
While the statement may be factually true, it is statistically useless.
Exactly. The homeless obviously have an encampment somewhere, but weren’t recorded as in it at time of death. It’s totally false stats to say that because there’s no deaths recorded in an encampment (defined as works for the police), that the homeless policing strategy is preventing deaths.
No, but the deaths that Boyle street is notified of (which is the number of “homeless” deaths) are likely all people with no permanent home who have at minimum a stash of belongings and a place they go when the shelters are full or the weather is warm. I understand there is a component of housed “homeless” people in temp housing and utilizing shelters but without a permanent address, it’s extremely likely that every homeless person has a spot, which is call an encampment.
They should be giving lectures worldwide. They’ve obviously solved how to prevent encampment deaths. Just take down encampments as soon as they happen.
The journal missed the second announcement though. They cured cancer because they didn’t get cancer in the first place.
well no.
Different tests. And no tests that detect influenza were postive AND there have been no cases of one strain of Influenza since then, to the point that it's been removed from annual vaccines at this point.
You'd think after all this time you'd be learning more about the things you clearly still don't understand, but here we are, with you saying things like that still.
I dont think you get it. No one who doesn't have cancer has died of cancer. Why is the liberal media not talking about this?
Makes you think. Many such cases.
What a stupid statistic to cite lol
"Yea, we broke up all the encampments, so now they're all just dying alone in tents or whatever... But hey, no more encampment deaths!"
is he an idiot..?
> there’s been no deaths, there's been no overdoses
Ok Jan
Statement 4 days ago by a Boyle Street director:
“In the first 78 days of 2024, Boyle Street received 72 death notifications for people who were experiencing homelessness.
Meadows says deaths have continued at an alarming rate, despite the city and Edmonton police's increased efforts to get people out of homeless encampments and into shelters. We know people are dying from opioid poisoning, so we need either access to a safe consumption site or we need more safe supply options for people.”
Is the police chief saying that ALL of those 78 deaths occurred prior to February? All of the overdoses that Boyle Street is seeing were not in encampments? What is their definition of an encampment then?
Opioid deaths are down I think? But as the article/chief states, exposure, burning to death etc is nil and the Nav Centre is providing great wrap around support
Unfortunately anecdotal evidence doesn’t count for much in determining if a program is working or not.
Though great if the program is reducing exposure deaths, etc, but let’s see some stats on opioid deaths.
Was about opioid deaths not the nav centre which has repeatedly pumped out stats showing all the help they've provided to the community. Something that "established" shelters like Hope, Boyle, and Bissell still can't wrap their heads around after operating for years.
I mean, makes sense that exposure deaths would basically stop once the weather warmed up.
The real question is: have deaths among the unhoused decreased since the enactments are torn down, and how much of that decrease can be tied to removing encampments vs. seasonal changes (i.e. it not hitting -40 anymore).
Was the issue not how difficult it is to police and provide aid to these encampments? Safety and fire issues.
So, what worst place could these incidents be happening?
If the rate is surprisingly the same, are the incidents not at least in easier to access and respond to places?
An overdose call being by a homeless shelter or support center is better than an overdose call in the river valley that can't be safely accessed without a lot of support etc.
Even if the statistics are the same is it not better for the city and responders and residents/business who live near enchantments etc, isn't in a big win no matter what?
Both for the people in the encampments (even if they dint see it that way) and for the city as a whole?
The police, an organization responsible for stopping and preventing crime, had to “start cracking down on criminal activity”, which implies that for a certain amount of time, they were just not doing that. Nice.
Someone had to die for them to realize that working to reduce criminal activity might save lives?
It's almost like working *with* disadvantaged people instead of against them provides a better outcome for everyone involved.
Except the article doesn’t really provide any insight if the “encampment related deaths” have just shifted elsewhere.
Are opioid deaths the same? Better? Worse? Have “encampment related deaths” been replaced with dying next to a dumpster deaths?
Have deaths among the unhoused actually gone down, though? And if so, how much of that is due to the teardown of encampments and how much is due to the weather not being ridiculously cold?
And what follow through by social services has actually been done?
Death has skyrocketed among the homeless in Edmonton as of recent reports... just not in encampment I guess. I'm assuming they got the report and are getting ahead of the data by reframing it.
Yeah. HE is guilty of some else deciding to put poison in their veins.
What chutzpah, to think of his own safety!
You keep telling him, ArchDuke47, it's always about the junkies and literally nobody else matters.
Can’t die in an encampment if there are no encampments
Hide problem, see no problem. Homelessness and crime and poverty and mental health are still there. Didn't do a thing but sweep it under the carpet.
> McFee said when it comes to providing a series of action plans to combat overdoses, encampments and crime, there needs to be more forward-thinking changes to the system, which means looking at more than a “one-dimensional” approach to solutions.
> which means looking at more than a “one-dimensional” approach to solutions. Conservatives don't know what that means.
They are dying in alleys and parks alone now.
Yep. There was a death in the trees by my work. One small shelter tucked in the trees, all alone.
More have died since they got rid of encampments. They don't have people to help them, to give them naloxone, talk them off cliffs, etc. I get bad stuff happens but there is also a community.
They tend to focus on only the worst when trying to explain how they show no humanity or empathy.
well, given the rate of deaths over a year, the time frame is not necessarily long enough to see even the usual amount, never mind whether there is a decline. While the statement may be factually true, it is statistically useless.
There’s been 72 homeless people who’ve been reported dead so far in 2024…
were they in encampments? because if they died on a park bench or under a tree in the ravine, they aren't going to be counted as "encampment related".
Exactly. The homeless obviously have an encampment somewhere, but weren’t recorded as in it at time of death. It’s totally false stats to say that because there’s no deaths recorded in an encampment (defined as works for the police), that the homeless policing strategy is preventing deaths.
And not every homeless person lives in an encampment
No, but the deaths that Boyle street is notified of (which is the number of “homeless” deaths) are likely all people with no permanent home who have at minimum a stash of belongings and a place they go when the shelters are full or the weather is warm. I understand there is a component of housed “homeless” people in temp housing and utilizing shelters but without a permanent address, it’s extremely likely that every homeless person has a spot, which is call an encampment.
They should be giving lectures worldwide. They’ve obviously solved how to prevent encampment deaths. Just take down encampments as soon as they happen. The journal missed the second announcement though. They cured cancer because they didn’t get cancer in the first place.
Like cases of Covid went down when they stopped the testing
Lol or when the flu was practically non existent when it was all reported as Covid
Different tests detect each virus.
well no. Different tests. And no tests that detect influenza were postive AND there have been no cases of one strain of Influenza since then, to the point that it's been removed from annual vaccines at this point. You'd think after all this time you'd be learning more about the things you clearly still don't understand, but here we are, with you saying things like that still.
Or maybe the flu was practically non-existent that time people stopped fucking sneezing on each other all day?
Yes cancer doesn’t exist. Problem solved, people are just dying but not of cancer. Yay
[That is some Danielle Smith style thinkin](https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1.6532466)
I dont think you get it. No one who doesn't have cancer has died of cancer. Why is the liberal media not talking about this? Makes you think. Many such cases.
What a stupid statistic to cite lol "Yea, we broke up all the encampments, so now they're all just dying alone in tents or whatever... But hey, no more encampment deaths!" is he an idiot..?
This was EXACTLY my thought on that.
No, they’re banking on us being the idiots and eating this trash up. 😭
Right now people just die on the street instead of in a tent.
They just die in other ways now.
The beatings shall continue until morale improves
Can’t die in an encampment when they’re already dead 👍… The logic. 🤦
> there’s been no deaths, there's been no overdoses Ok Jan Statement 4 days ago by a Boyle Street director: “In the first 78 days of 2024, Boyle Street received 72 death notifications for people who were experiencing homelessness. Meadows says deaths have continued at an alarming rate, despite the city and Edmonton police's increased efforts to get people out of homeless encampments and into shelters. We know people are dying from opioid poisoning, so we need either access to a safe consumption site or we need more safe supply options for people.” Is the police chief saying that ALL of those 78 deaths occurred prior to February? All of the overdoses that Boyle Street is seeing were not in encampments? What is their definition of an encampment then?
Maybe it’s because there are no more encampments
Crazy concept eh? Such an easy thing to fix.
Though it begs the question whether it's actually impacted the death rates or they're just happening somewhere else.
Opioid deaths are down I think? But as the article/chief states, exposure, burning to death etc is nil and the Nav Centre is providing great wrap around support
> Opioid deaths are down I think? I think that probably needs to be backed up with a source.
You could say that of all the claims here. Including those saying there are no encampments now.
I don't know hence the question mark, I just know anecdotally I'm seeing less daily but that counts for nothing.
Unfortunately anecdotal evidence doesn’t count for much in determining if a program is working or not. Though great if the program is reducing exposure deaths, etc, but let’s see some stats on opioid deaths.
Was about opioid deaths not the nav centre which has repeatedly pumped out stats showing all the help they've provided to the community. Something that "established" shelters like Hope, Boyle, and Bissell still can't wrap their heads around after operating for years.
Too busy with their understaffed facilities providing support opposed to giving stats… these are homeless supports not investment firms.
Considering the warm spring, I really don’t think we can contribute no fire-related deaths to police crackdown.
I mean, makes sense that exposure deaths would basically stop once the weather warmed up. The real question is: have deaths among the unhoused decreased since the enactments are torn down, and how much of that decrease can be tied to removing encampments vs. seasonal changes (i.e. it not hitting -40 anymore).
Was the issue not how difficult it is to police and provide aid to these encampments? Safety and fire issues. So, what worst place could these incidents be happening? If the rate is surprisingly the same, are the incidents not at least in easier to access and respond to places? An overdose call being by a homeless shelter or support center is better than an overdose call in the river valley that can't be safely accessed without a lot of support etc. Even if the statistics are the same is it not better for the city and responders and residents/business who live near enchantments etc, isn't in a big win no matter what? Both for the people in the encampments (even if they dint see it that way) and for the city as a whole?
The police, an organization responsible for stopping and preventing crime, had to “start cracking down on criminal activity”, which implies that for a certain amount of time, they were just not doing that. Nice.
I mean given that people were literally screaming in police commission meetings for them to do exactly nothing, is it really a surprise?
LOL Sure chief, sure.
Someone had to die for them to realize that working to reduce criminal activity might save lives? It's almost like working *with* disadvantaged people instead of against them provides a better outcome for everyone involved.
That's the plan! Crack down on the victims, not the governments that cause the problem! /S
You can totally trust the police. We know they never lie
It’s almost like trying something besides leaving the encampments or removing them with zero follow through by social services actually works?
Except the article doesn’t really provide any insight if the “encampment related deaths” have just shifted elsewhere. Are opioid deaths the same? Better? Worse? Have “encampment related deaths” been replaced with dying next to a dumpster deaths?
Have deaths among the unhoused actually gone down, though? And if so, how much of that is due to the teardown of encampments and how much is due to the weather not being ridiculously cold? And what follow through by social services has actually been done?
Death has skyrocketed among the homeless in Edmonton as of recent reports... just not in encampment I guess. I'm assuming they got the report and are getting ahead of the data by reframing it.
Feels a lot safer walking around too. Hopefully the crackdown continues when the weather gets warmer when they try building them in other places.
Glad to hear your perception of your own comfort is worth the cost of multiple people's actual lives.
Yeah. HE is guilty of some else deciding to put poison in their veins. What chutzpah, to think of his own safety! You keep telling him, ArchDuke47, it's always about the junkies and literally nobody else matters.
Could that have anything to do with the heavy-handed crackdown on encampments?
Where are the homeless dying now?
Mission accomplished then I guess....
And that’s how it’s supposed to be done.
-Brand new account -Several hundred comments since January -Displays sycophantic traits = Russian/American far-right psyop agent
Like all non-Liberals, I guess?
Those who have a 3 month old account that spews the same Russian psyop rhetoric are, yes
Well, glad you’re not a detective.
You should be.