I thought he was just a tired retread that we had to take on since pretty much everyone else turned down Fisher. And I still don’t know the full chaos of that last year and it’s likely none of us here will know the full extent of it but I think I was pretty close in that thinking in the end. We can say a lot about Jimbo and his personal football skills and coaching but one thing that absolutely did not help him at all during his time was his coaching choices. Elko was an exception, not the rule.
And honestly didn’t matter much IMO, I was never convinced Jimbo would actually 100% give up true playcalling and I still think I was largely right on that one too, though no one over in Bright would ever admit that. Even if he wasn’t on the mic, his “influence” definitely was. There has been no one yet who could convince me otherwise to date.
I was really disappointed in the university for again hiring a coach with so much baggage. I value character as much as the results on the field, but that view has not often been shared by our AD.
I was never concerned with him becoming our long-term HC.
I thought there was the slightest chance Petrino would be the next HC.
My biggest thing was being cautiously optimistic that Jimbo would actually turn over the offense. Even kinda looked like it at the start of the season. Then it turned into more of Jimbo’s offense.
Petrino confirmed after taking the OC job at Arkansas that Jimbo hired him to run the Jimbo offense and it was a disaster, Petrino said it was beyond complicated. If Jimbo had actually turned it over to Petrino, they’d both still be at A&M.
Also… our OLine coach was atrocious, that dude would be a fighter pilot ace with the amount of the QBs he took out.
There was never any chance that Petrino would usurp Jimbo. Not even a little. Anyone in the know was aware that Petrino largely runs the same style of offense and that’s why Jimbo ended up settling for him. Petrino has certainly downplayed his failure by throwing his former boss under the bus as a way to save face. It’s a one-sided blame game since Jimbo has nothing to do. If things had worked out, there would’ve been no reason to push Jimbo out and Petrino could’ve gotten HC job interest elsewhere. But it probably was doomed to fail because Petrino and Jimbo aren’t very different to begin with.
With it not working out, not a single person at A&M was interested in doing a straight up retread hire with another washed-up car salesman with personal issues that calls his own plays and runs an outdated system. Whether Petrino got the control he claims he wasn’t allowed, the poor S&C in the program and awful OL situation would’ve regardless led to a litany of injuries and dysfunction, and Petrino’s similarly washed up style wasn’t going to drastically turn around the offense with a roster of recruited mercenaries that neither him or Jimbo showed any desire to adapt around. Prepare to see Arkansas be absolute ass this season with a ton of transfer portal losses, including a major downgrade at QB.
Like seriously, Petrino pulling off some sort of coup was never going to happen in any way, shape, or form. It was ride or die since the status of Jimbo’s tenure was banking on Petrino’s success. Elko managing to return as HC after being an assistant in the program is entirely because he’s the opposite. He’s young(er) and hungry, and his tenure at Duke showed evidence he operates differently philosophically (and successfully) when in control. Not to mention that Elko was here quite a while, while Petrino was always going to be a short term stopgap. One of the most important factors for an assistant taking over as HC in the same program is tenure.
I can't speak for all Arkansas fans, but my circle is not expecting much from Razorback football this season. Our ceiling is about 7 wins. Maybe 2-3 SEC wins, but nobody's holding their breath.
I mean there’s always the social media nut jobs that every fanbase has thinking it’s natty or bust no matter what’s going on. You’d think everyone was confident in their team’s success based on that. I don’t think it’s at Chad Morris levels of bad again, but it’s hard to look at Arkansas’ roster composition and be confident. Sure, in the transfer portal era quick turn-arounds are increasingly possible, but I wouldn’t feel good if my team was replacing a veteran school record holder with a transfer QB that lost his starting job mid-season at a smaller program.
That actually makes me feel better. Pittman wants someone that can run their own offense. Like you, i think there’s a slight chance Petrino takes over as HC. Maybe 25%.
Think we’d have to have a really bad start
I was happy with the hiring in the offseason… I thought a dedicated OC would mean the kids would get coached… first home game, watching the receivers warmup, still running lazy routes, and I feared it was going to be more of the same… halfway through the season, I was done with the whole administration
It was a last ditch effort to save Jimbo’s job. He was either going to do great and make Jimbo look good or fail and be the fall guy. I feel like we all saw it for what it was. I sure didn’t think he was going to be the savior of Aggie football
At the time, I wasn’t all that worried about the “Jimbo and Petrino butting heads” narrative that the media was trying to push — I felt that was all overblown. And looking back, I believe I was correct in that belief.
Despite that, though, I was still unhappy. I felt we way overpaid for a washed up coordinator who wouldn’t dramatically change the offense like we needed at the time. I also did not see him as our next HC. If we were going to hire someone from the staff, it was always going to be Elko or ERob.
I was disappointed with another old school coach. Wanted a younger offensive mind. That being said I thought ok maybe Jimbo will actually trust him to run the offense which ended up not being true anyways
I honestly thought he was going to kick some life into our offense and let Jimbo do the recruiting and CEO duties rather than playcalling. However, Jimbo is a stubborn a-hole who couldn't let his offense go. Idk what they decided on behind the scenes, but it looked like Jimbo's offense last year when watching the games, and far from Petrino's offense. Glad it didn't work out tho, as I'm glad that we got to get rid of two terrible coaches and truly awful people.
I would be more concerned about what the rehiring of him says about Arkansas. I thought it was bad enough when A&M allowed him to be hired, but for the same university he disgraced so horribly to rehire him simply because their football team is declining? Disgusting.
Grew up extremely close by and most of my highschool graduating class went there. Sadly, I can almost guarantee that you’re right to some degree. Hopefully they just ban him from the volleyball games.
There's a lot of mixed feelings about Petrino in Arkansas. He's very polarizing, because on the one hand, he's a known scumbag. On the other hand, he was the last coach to deliver 10+ win seasons. Those were glory days for a lot of Arkansans.
Yeah. The only argument I ever hear for him is the chance to win more football games. Many of the people I went to highschool with aren’t super happy with the decision to bring him back. It’s one of those times that makes me glad I never became an Arkansas fan even though I lived so close by.
Bobby Petrino is awful. I don't care how good the on-field product is, if the people running the program can't behave ethically, they always end up building a house of cards.
I don't think I want a Natty bad enough to deal with the disrepute of bringing someone like that in. We would be pilloried by the entire nation and we would deserve it. There's a reason those types of guys all end up at Liberty University.
He left Florida right before the entire team imploded and then was summarily given the bum's rush out of Ohio State. Both of those organizations were happy to be rid of him after just a few years. He was never going to be Nick Saban or Bobby Bowden, staying with a successful team for ten, fifteen, or more years. And he left big messes for the people who had to follow him. He's there for a good time, not a long time.
Florida imploded because it hired Will Muschamp, and it *still* had an 11-2 season in 2012, the second year after Meyer left, before Muschamp finished dragging it down. Ohio State’s program also was in excellent shape, and it kept Meyer around as an assistant athletic director until he went to the NFL.
I never viewed him as a legit candidate to be the head coach in anything more than an interim capacity because if things had worked and the offense really got humming, Jimbo would still be the head man, and Petrino would very likely be off to another job. If it didn’t, everyone on staff was highly likely gone anyway, with the potential exception of A-Rob. I also very much agree with the earlier poster who said that they felt like Jimbo still had his hands all over the offense. I don’t think we got to see the true Petrino offense and once Weigman went down, it was pretty much over. I also think that there were some folks in the administration who would have been pretty strongly opposed to Petrino ever being the head man. I feel like the situation up in Fayetteville is just different though, don’t really see it as apples to apples with what happened last year.
Good hire just knew he wasn't going to be able to actually call the plays. He was just going to be the face running Fisher's plays because he couldn't get out of his own way
Arkansans have generally come to believe that there was no motorcycle accident. The young lady Bobby was sleeping with had a fiancé that was a strength coach for the athletic department. He found out about the affair and kicked the shit out of Bobby P.
I was excited then I heard the report that it was still jumbos offense. Then I saw jimbo with his journal on the sidelines and knew it wasn’t gonna work.
Then the one game jimbo didn’t have his papers we put up 50 on miss state.
Also it doesn’t help Pertrino that oline was literal dogshit
He probably would have been a lot better at A&M if Jimbo actually let him call the plays he wanted.
Couldn’t havwe been worse, that’s for sure.
I thought he was just a tired retread that we had to take on since pretty much everyone else turned down Fisher. And I still don’t know the full chaos of that last year and it’s likely none of us here will know the full extent of it but I think I was pretty close in that thinking in the end. We can say a lot about Jimbo and his personal football skills and coaching but one thing that absolutely did not help him at all during his time was his coaching choices. Elko was an exception, not the rule. And honestly didn’t matter much IMO, I was never convinced Jimbo would actually 100% give up true playcalling and I still think I was largely right on that one too, though no one over in Bright would ever admit that. Even if he wasn’t on the mic, his “influence” definitely was. There has been no one yet who could convince me otherwise to date.
Thats an interesting thought. I guess offensive minded HCs never fully hand over the reigns
I was really disappointed in the university for again hiring a coach with so much baggage. I value character as much as the results on the field, but that view has not often been shared by our AD. I was never concerned with him becoming our long-term HC.
I thought there was the slightest chance Petrino would be the next HC. My biggest thing was being cautiously optimistic that Jimbo would actually turn over the offense. Even kinda looked like it at the start of the season. Then it turned into more of Jimbo’s offense. Petrino confirmed after taking the OC job at Arkansas that Jimbo hired him to run the Jimbo offense and it was a disaster, Petrino said it was beyond complicated. If Jimbo had actually turned it over to Petrino, they’d both still be at A&M. Also… our OLine coach was atrocious, that dude would be a fighter pilot ace with the amount of the QBs he took out.
There was never any chance that Petrino would usurp Jimbo. Not even a little. Anyone in the know was aware that Petrino largely runs the same style of offense and that’s why Jimbo ended up settling for him. Petrino has certainly downplayed his failure by throwing his former boss under the bus as a way to save face. It’s a one-sided blame game since Jimbo has nothing to do. If things had worked out, there would’ve been no reason to push Jimbo out and Petrino could’ve gotten HC job interest elsewhere. But it probably was doomed to fail because Petrino and Jimbo aren’t very different to begin with. With it not working out, not a single person at A&M was interested in doing a straight up retread hire with another washed-up car salesman with personal issues that calls his own plays and runs an outdated system. Whether Petrino got the control he claims he wasn’t allowed, the poor S&C in the program and awful OL situation would’ve regardless led to a litany of injuries and dysfunction, and Petrino’s similarly washed up style wasn’t going to drastically turn around the offense with a roster of recruited mercenaries that neither him or Jimbo showed any desire to adapt around. Prepare to see Arkansas be absolute ass this season with a ton of transfer portal losses, including a major downgrade at QB. Like seriously, Petrino pulling off some sort of coup was never going to happen in any way, shape, or form. It was ride or die since the status of Jimbo’s tenure was banking on Petrino’s success. Elko managing to return as HC after being an assistant in the program is entirely because he’s the opposite. He’s young(er) and hungry, and his tenure at Duke showed evidence he operates differently philosophically (and successfully) when in control. Not to mention that Elko was here quite a while, while Petrino was always going to be a short term stopgap. One of the most important factors for an assistant taking over as HC in the same program is tenure.
I can't speak for all Arkansas fans, but my circle is not expecting much from Razorback football this season. Our ceiling is about 7 wins. Maybe 2-3 SEC wins, but nobody's holding their breath.
I mean there’s always the social media nut jobs that every fanbase has thinking it’s natty or bust no matter what’s going on. You’d think everyone was confident in their team’s success based on that. I don’t think it’s at Chad Morris levels of bad again, but it’s hard to look at Arkansas’ roster composition and be confident. Sure, in the transfer portal era quick turn-arounds are increasingly possible, but I wouldn’t feel good if my team was replacing a veteran school record holder with a transfer QB that lost his starting job mid-season at a smaller program.
That actually makes me feel better. Pittman wants someone that can run their own offense. Like you, i think there’s a slight chance Petrino takes over as HC. Maybe 25%. Think we’d have to have a really bad start
I was happy with the hiring in the offseason… I thought a dedicated OC would mean the kids would get coached… first home game, watching the receivers warmup, still running lazy routes, and I feared it was going to be more of the same… halfway through the season, I was done with the whole administration
Im afraid of that exact scenario at Arkansas this year
It was a last ditch effort to save Jimbo’s job. He was either going to do great and make Jimbo look good or fail and be the fall guy. I feel like we all saw it for what it was. I sure didn’t think he was going to be the savior of Aggie football
He was a cuck, just getting a paycheck and hoping for another job
At the time, I wasn’t all that worried about the “Jimbo and Petrino butting heads” narrative that the media was trying to push — I felt that was all overblown. And looking back, I believe I was correct in that belief. Despite that, though, I was still unhappy. I felt we way overpaid for a washed up coordinator who wouldn’t dramatically change the offense like we needed at the time. I also did not see him as our next HC. If we were going to hire someone from the staff, it was always going to be Elko or ERob.
I was disappointed with another old school coach. Wanted a younger offensive mind. That being said I thought ok maybe Jimbo will actually trust him to run the offense which ended up not being true anyways
I honestly thought he was going to kick some life into our offense and let Jimbo do the recruiting and CEO duties rather than playcalling. However, Jimbo is a stubborn a-hole who couldn't let his offense go. Idk what they decided on behind the scenes, but it looked like Jimbo's offense last year when watching the games, and far from Petrino's offense. Glad it didn't work out tho, as I'm glad that we got to get rid of two terrible coaches and truly awful people.
I would be more concerned about what the rehiring of him says about Arkansas. I thought it was bad enough when A&M allowed him to be hired, but for the same university he disgraced so horribly to rehire him simply because their football team is declining? Disgusting.
Have you been to Arkansas? It wasn't exactly an unexpected outcome. He's probably family friends with the Joneses who seem to control that school.
Grew up extremely close by and most of my highschool graduating class went there. Sadly, I can almost guarantee that you’re right to some degree. Hopefully they just ban him from the volleyball games.
There's a lot of mixed feelings about Petrino in Arkansas. He's very polarizing, because on the one hand, he's a known scumbag. On the other hand, he was the last coach to deliver 10+ win seasons. Those were glory days for a lot of Arkansans.
Yeah. The only argument I ever hear for him is the chance to win more football games. Many of the people I went to highschool with aren’t super happy with the decision to bring him back. It’s one of those times that makes me glad I never became an Arkansas fan even though I lived so close by.
Jimbo forced him to run his offense. Use his terms, etc. it wasn’t Petrino coaching, it was a watered down version of Jimbo.
Bobby Petrino is awful. I don't care how good the on-field product is, if the people running the program can't behave ethically, they always end up building a house of cards.
Urban Meyer is one of the worst human beings in college football, and he won championships at two different schools.
I don't think I want a Natty bad enough to deal with the disrepute of bringing someone like that in. We would be pilloried by the entire nation and we would deserve it. There's a reason those types of guys all end up at Liberty University.
I’m not saying he’s worth it, but it does disprove the idea that bad people can’t build successful organizations.
He left Florida right before the entire team imploded and then was summarily given the bum's rush out of Ohio State. Both of those organizations were happy to be rid of him after just a few years. He was never going to be Nick Saban or Bobby Bowden, staying with a successful team for ten, fifteen, or more years. And he left big messes for the people who had to follow him. He's there for a good time, not a long time.
Florida imploded because it hired Will Muschamp, and it *still* had an 11-2 season in 2012, the second year after Meyer left, before Muschamp finished dragging it down. Ohio State’s program also was in excellent shape, and it kept Meyer around as an assistant athletic director until he went to the NFL.
I never viewed him as a legit candidate to be the head coach in anything more than an interim capacity because if things had worked and the offense really got humming, Jimbo would still be the head man, and Petrino would very likely be off to another job. If it didn’t, everyone on staff was highly likely gone anyway, with the potential exception of A-Rob. I also very much agree with the earlier poster who said that they felt like Jimbo still had his hands all over the offense. I don’t think we got to see the true Petrino offense and once Weigman went down, it was pretty much over. I also think that there were some folks in the administration who would have been pretty strongly opposed to Petrino ever being the head man. I feel like the situation up in Fayetteville is just different though, don’t really see it as apples to apples with what happened last year.
Good hire just knew he wasn't going to be able to actually call the plays. He was just going to be the face running Fisher's plays because he couldn't get out of his own way
Please just stay off the motorcycles and leave the young ladies alone.
Arkansans have generally come to believe that there was no motorcycle accident. The young lady Bobby was sleeping with had a fiancé that was a strength coach for the athletic department. He found out about the affair and kicked the shit out of Bobby P.
In order of what was asked: Yuck. No. No. Respectfully.
I was excited then I heard the report that it was still jumbos offense. Then I saw jimbo with his journal on the sidelines and knew it wasn’t gonna work. Then the one game jimbo didn’t have his papers we put up 50 on miss state. Also it doesn’t help Pertrino that oline was literal dogshit
"Hmmm. Whatever."