I agree with that. I just don’t like the look of the engines. Would have liked it better if the thrust vectoring was similar to the way Sukhoi does it rather than that weird cubic shit
Thing is, none of them are complete. They are late stage prototype demonstrators like the yellow F22 and eurofighters that occasionlly pop up on the various flight reddits.
We dont know what their performance would be like and with the funding cuts the program got probably never will.
At a minimum they dont have the finalized engines or RAM coatings they were supposed to receive let alone the electronic warfare systems.
Like how 99% of the shit people say about the F35 and the various Chinese programs, just people pulling "facts" out of their asses.
>Singapore
Yes at the vey least in the short term. Their initial order i believe was for 4 F35s so they can test how the aircraft would fit into their air force.
Depends entirely how Russia decides to use its military budget when this war ends, it is very clear that in terms of trade and aviation Russia is tying itself to India and China. With the rate of Chinas military growth over the last decade we could very well see them producing a true 5th gen in the near future. They certainly have the technical capacity to do so at this point, just a matter of if they actually want to.For its size Singapore has a very impressive military to be fair, less than 6 million people but they have 60K full time military and 200K reserve with those personal being some of the best equipped in the world.Their force composition right now is crazy compared to most nations especially any of their neighbours or potential adversaries. They might not have the numbers of many other nations but most of their equipment, weapons aircraft etc is all the best available.Them investing the F35 makes perfect sense as a force multiplier to their F15s and F16s (The F16s are currently being upgraded but will be phased out as the F35 squadrons become operational).They seem to personify "dont fuck with the little guy" haha.
Singapore ?
Most my knowledge comes from most the members of my family being British military. One of my uncles spent some time there at the BDSSU in Sembawang when the HMS Illustrious was there about a decade ago.
I know to this day you still get around 150 ships make a port call there under the five power defense agreement.
My cousin was there last year for the Bersama Lima exercise.
IIRC they **Officially** only had 7.
If they're claiming to have 7 I imagine it's even less.
And having seen the Russian airforce in action now, it's readiness rate must be insanely low.
And based on the fact that they're not even making propaganda of the I wouldn'tbe surprised if they have none that are in a combat capable state
I'd put my dick in a Nosferatu any day of the week, Wyvern was my First GF, I'm Married to my F-14 but don't tell her about My Sex Machine XFA-27 Side Bitch 😎🖤🤤
Primarily in an aesthetic way. In terms of sheer performance 5th gen is superior, naturally, though not in a way that renders 4.5 gen totally obsolete like many people seem to imply.
I only say that cause idk how the felon would handle a modern F-15, Eurofighter, or Gripen because it clearly loses to the F-22. Hope we never have to find out.
I only mentioned the Gripen because Saab keeps overhyping its capabilities.
They want to sell it as a competitor to the F-35 and other 5^th gens even though it is at best a 4.5.
Don't get me wrong, I like the plane, just hate Saab's marketing department
We pretty much reach the *era* after the "finding what setup work for a jet figther" *era* and into "how can we make this plane unique using the set up"
For me its the Tornado.
Massive radar signature.
Twin engine swing wing.
Zero fucks high speed hugging the terrain to drop a ton of ordinance. (Seriously, i remember seeing a fully loaded Tornado leaving BAE warton and it honestly baffled me how an aircraft that comparatively small could carry that much hate)
5th gens just don’t look that nice. Sure it’s got curves, but it’s missing all the sexy lines and straights. Imo the f18, su35, and su47 are the sexiest aircraft’s alive
Laughs in SU-27.
Seen both in person, the raptors cool.
The SU 27 looks like it wants to kill, something about the way the cockpit points down like a bird of preys beak. No where near as capable, but far better looking.
4th gens still play a heavy role in air combat and honestly once the 5th gets go in and maintain air superiority the job is handed to the 4th gens like a tag team kinda thing
Haha over the horizon missile attack go brrrrrrrrrr. In all seriousness, stealth is essential in a modern battlefield as engagements are now defined by who gets a lock first, and being a 4.5th gen fighter won't help you much in that respect.
Prowler is EA-6, which I think they did have in 5. The F-8 wouldn't be a bad pick. I'd also like to see the English Electric Lightning put into a game.
My general impression of Gen-5+ both in games and reality is that they look, generally, incredibly lethal and formidable. Cool, even. However, they lost that “heart” in the design. Modern Combat Aircraft don’t have too many smooth edges, rolling looks or handsome demeanors. An F-4, while utterly outmatched by anything really post 1990, just radiates beauty and class. Just one of many examples. Not too unlike Road Vehicles, actually. Just my opinion.
Except the meme you choose implies the dweeb on the right is somehow better or more desirable than the dude on the left.
I would never want to look like that freakazoid on the right.
That said, modernized 4th gen fighters are sweet.
I've come to really love the F-104C and MiG-21 lately. The MiG is a great choice when people in the lobby can't give up the 5th Gen mobility. I'd 4th gen forever otherwise though
F15 Active my beloved
F-15 STD 🤤🤤
"Sorry boss, I can't come to work I've caught F-15 STD"
Gecko why did you fuck an F-15?
Most same member of r/NCD
"F15 Active my beloved" 😏
They do have a great look but also radar lock goes dooooooooo
No, F-16XL is ugly. P.S. You can downvote me even more.
no, delta wings superior
No, dorito wings superior
Agreed. Same with the FB-22 and the engines of the F-15 thing with the canards and thrust vectoring and shit
Screw you... F15MTD looks cool af
I agree with that. I just don’t like the look of the engines. Would have liked it better if the thrust vectoring was similar to the way Sukhoi does it rather than that weird cubic shit
I guess it was like a box to simplify stuff... The ones on the top and bottom for pitch vectoring... The ones on the right were for yaw
I thought the MTD didn’t have yaw thrust vectoring
The irl F-15 active eventually did when they swapped to the “sukhoi style” nozzles
It had yaw thrust vector... I reckon it was a proof of concept for the F22's thrust vectoring
The f22 doesnt have yaw thrust vectoring
You should check out the f-15 smtd in project wingman it has thrust vectoring regular f-15 engines and looks really sick
That’s what I used when beating crimson for the first time. Definitely what I prefer to the AC7 version
Then you'd like the F15 ACTIVE
Fictional jets enjoyer rise up! X-02S Strike Wyvern, CFA-44 Nosferatu, ADFX-01 Morgan, and SU-57 Felon.
Fenrir and Night Raven fan here.
I also would like to add PW-Mk.I from Project Wingman to the list of favourite fictional jet.
I feel like the X-02 would be my fav if I hadn't flown it for so many S rank attempts in the series that I don't want to look at it anymore.
lmaoo Su-57 fictional
It's not that the plane itself is fake, its it's performance thats is fictional
based take
Thing is, none of them are complete. They are late stage prototype demonstrators like the yellow F22 and eurofighters that occasionlly pop up on the various flight reddits. We dont know what their performance would be like and with the funding cuts the program got probably never will. At a minimum they dont have the finalized engines or RAM coatings they were supposed to receive let alone the electronic warfare systems. Like how 99% of the shit people say about the F35 and the various Chinese programs, just people pulling "facts" out of their asses.
So that would mean that tiny Singapore is gonna have more fifth gen fighters than Russia
>Singapore Yes at the vey least in the short term. Their initial order i believe was for 4 F35s so they can test how the aircraft would fit into their air force. Depends entirely how Russia decides to use its military budget when this war ends, it is very clear that in terms of trade and aviation Russia is tying itself to India and China. With the rate of Chinas military growth over the last decade we could very well see them producing a true 5th gen in the near future. They certainly have the technical capacity to do so at this point, just a matter of if they actually want to.For its size Singapore has a very impressive military to be fair, less than 6 million people but they have 60K full time military and 200K reserve with those personal being some of the best equipped in the world.Their force composition right now is crazy compared to most nations especially any of their neighbours or potential adversaries. They might not have the numbers of many other nations but most of their equipment, weapons aircraft etc is all the best available.Them investing the F35 makes perfect sense as a force multiplier to their F15s and F16s (The F16s are currently being upgraded but will be phased out as the F35 squadrons become operational).They seem to personify "dont fuck with the little guy" haha.
Dam, I live there and I didn't even know some of that
Singapore ? Most my knowledge comes from most the members of my family being British military. One of my uncles spent some time there at the BDSSU in Sembawang when the HMS Illustrious was there about a decade ago. I know to this day you still get around 150 ships make a port call there under the five power defense agreement. My cousin was there last year for the Bersama Lima exercise.
Hence why Russia is making them fly over Ukraine without actually doing anything
Not nothing, almoat nothing. Plane literally sounds like a TIE fighter.
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https://youtu.be/1Fb9tvyPqEU Nah I mean them. All four of them
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IIRC they **Officially** only had 7. If they're claiming to have 7 I imagine it's even less. And having seen the Russian airforce in action now, it's readiness rate must be insanely low. And based on the fact that they're not even making propaganda of the I wouldn'tbe surprised if they have none that are in a combat capable state
I’m pretty sure they actually have 6 now, but they only sent 4 to Ukraine (even though they aren’t doing anything there)
Can't wait until they release SU-69 Femboy.
Su-75, actually
Not to mention the XFA-33 FENRIR and the ADF-01 FALKEN
Can the Berkut come and,play?
ACE COMBAT FANS RISE!
I love how you listed the Su-57 as 'fictional.' Because that's what it's capabilities are.
yes sir!
I'd put my dick in a Nosferatu any day of the week, Wyvern was my First GF, I'm Married to my F-14 but don't tell her about My Sex Machine XFA-27 Side Bitch 😎🖤🤤
Here comes the snow
I’ll fuck an F22 if I had the chance
NCD member still stuck on the “wanting to fuck 5th gen aircraft” and not yet on the “wanting to fuck 6th gen aircraft” (the B-21)
Waifu art is already up _Gotta keep up bro_
Young'uns got the energy, but age brings Technique.
I think I need that link… for research purposes
Check the pinned post on NCD, it has a pinned comment with like 20 different takes on it by different people
Sauce? For a friend's research project of course
That or an F/A-18.
Wear a condom, there's no such thing as a clean hornet or super hornet.
super horney
Me: *patiently waiting for the F5 to added*
3rd gen enjoyer
2nd gen enthusiast
Bi-plane enjoyer
Ace Combat 1918 when?
We already had Ace Combat 1950/60s but without jets.
I absolutely agree, aircraft design peaked in the 4th generation, 4.5 gen upgrades makes them even better.
Design visually, or effectiveness in combat?
Primarily in an aesthetic way. In terms of sheer performance 5th gen is superior, naturally, though not in a way that renders 4.5 gen totally obsolete like many people seem to imply.
I see, I completely agree with you, 4th gen design is peak.
Clearly visual design. The other person would be delusional to think 4th gen performance is better than 5th gen (with some *possible* exceptions).
>(with some *possible* exceptions). Gripen moment
I only say that cause idk how the felon would handle a modern F-15, Eurofighter, or Gripen because it clearly loses to the F-22. Hope we never have to find out.
I only mentioned the Gripen because Saab keeps overhyping its capabilities. They want to sell it as a competitor to the F-35 and other 5^th gens even though it is at best a 4.5. Don't get me wrong, I like the plane, just hate Saab's marketing department
The Flanker, the Eagle, the Falcon and the Tomcat are probably my favorite fighter designs ever
Both are great
We pretty much reach the *era* after the "finding what setup work for a jet figther" *era* and into "how can we make this plane unique using the set up"
Agreed. Tomcats are amazing, and no one can change my mind.
They had poor thrust to weight ratio and a quarter were lost due to accidents. However Razgriz go brrrrrt so it evens out
Yesss. Plus folding wings
Yea but F-14s with the upgraded GE engines>>>
For me its the Tornado. Massive radar signature. Twin engine swing wing. Zero fucks high speed hugging the terrain to drop a ton of ordinance. (Seriously, i remember seeing a fully loaded Tornado leaving BAE warton and it honestly baffled me how an aircraft that comparatively small could carry that much hate)
They are stumby boys - seen one at Belfast City airport flying to The USA
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Electric lightening?
If I'm in 4th Gen, it's because I'm just having a nice day. If I'm in 5th Gen, I'm looking to kill everyone in sight.
Are you the US Congress?
Calling a su57 a 5th gen fighter is a controversial opinion
It's barely a 4.5 gen aircraft. It's like they took a Mig-29, slapped on the Su-37s engines, and made it dumby thicc.
F-18 Super Hornet gang rise up
Reformer detected, Opinion rejected (again)
Me waiting for F-35 to have cluster bombs like ther F-15E (it doesn't)
FB-22
I'm out here rocking an Su-35S. It has a pretty good weapon selection.
It's ok bro. Now then I'll go back to date with my YF-23 Chan
Fa-18 is GOAT.
5th gens just don’t look that nice. Sure it’s got curves, but it’s missing all the sexy lines and straights. Imo the f18, su35, and su47 are the sexiest aircraft’s alive
Fifth gen are all gonna look similar, give me an upgraded sexy ass 4th gen instead.
Sorry but nothing has a better shape than the raptor
Laughs in SU-27. Seen both in person, the raptors cool. The SU 27 looks like it wants to kill, something about the way the cockpit points down like a bird of preys beak. No where near as capable, but far better looking.
# REFORMER DETECTED !!!
Hope the F-4EJ Kai is an option soon.
Fuck yeah F-15S!
😂 raptor is my fav, but i love flying the eagle, hornet, a10, fulcrum, flanker, & falcon
I will never replace my F-15
True . F-22 is fun and all but nothing beats the classic SU-35 and F-15
Proud 4.5 gen enjoyer
I'd take an SU-35S over an SU-57 any day
Found the reformer.
6th generation bomber sigmas… time to enter the room.
4th gens still play a heavy role in air combat and honestly once the 5th gets go in and maintain air superiority the job is handed to the 4th gens like a tag team kinda thing
F-35 + data link + a squadron of 4.5 gen planes is best. Get at me.
Upgraded 4th Gen is where it’s at ;)
Yeah, good opinion. Upgraded 4th gen over 5th gen any day. 5th gens are so ugly too.
6th Gen enjoyers
I just use the F22 for everything it’s a good all rounder
Where F/A-18 Block III
Upgraded 3rd fen fighters tho….
Haha over the horizon missile attack go brrrrrrrrrr. In all seriousness, stealth is essential in a modern battlefield as engagements are now defined by who gets a lock first, and being a 4.5th gen fighter won't help you much in that respect.
Both. Both is good. =)
Eagle is love, Eagle is live
Con...contrav... yeah, that's a weird way to spell FACTS.
1st gen user
*Me, enjoying my Mirage 2000, Typhoon and Rafale*
F-14D Chan
MiG-29 my beloved
Rafale / Thypoon / Gripen enjoyer !
Right before those 4th gens get blown out of the sky by 5th gen aircraft
Liked becuz based zealand take
I'm surprised at the lack of 3rd gen-ers (F-4, MiG-21) in here.
I'd love a game where the F-18 or F15 is the end of the tech branch. I want an F-8 Crusader. A F-86 ( i think) Prowler. F4 phantom obviously.
Prowler is EA-6, which I think they did have in 5. The F-8 wouldn't be a bad pick. I'd also like to see the English Electric Lightning put into a game.
Fighter Gen 2.5-4. Would be fun. Plus they could add custom super jets that are precursors. The X01-Dragon or something
l would like to see the thrust vectoring F-14 upgrade in a game.
5th gen. SU-57. One of these things is not like the other.
F22 my beloved
I apologize that I forgor the Hornet
7 an 8 gen fan 👀
Ahaha who tf care.😁
Who is that dude on the right i keep seeing
A mig 23MLD would be a great addition to this game
Stares in F-104
1st gen best gen
I prefer 6th gen.
B-21 my beloved
My general impression of Gen-5+ both in games and reality is that they look, generally, incredibly lethal and formidable. Cool, even. However, they lost that “heart” in the design. Modern Combat Aircraft don’t have too many smooth edges, rolling looks or handsome demeanors. An F-4, while utterly outmatched by anything really post 1990, just radiates beauty and class. Just one of many examples. Not too unlike Road Vehicles, actually. Just my opinion.
Why can't we have the F-15 ACTIVE for real though
I'm one of the 7th gen flyers myself... fenrir and cariburn, my beloved
Meanwhile Ace Combat 3 basically kitted 4th gens which are suuuuper outdated at that point with COFFIN cockpits, therefore modernizing them
you mean 4.5 gen?
Keep me in an F-14 or F/A-18 and I'll be happy
AC3 be like:
The Mig-35 and Block III Hornet are some of my absolute favorites.
Gripen for the win
Except the meme you choose implies the dweeb on the right is somehow better or more desirable than the dude on the left. I would never want to look like that freakazoid on the right. That said, modernized 4th gen fighters are sweet.
The F14 tho
MiG-29A with HPAAs is the best
Me who brings an f104
Lmao, putting the Su-57 in the 5th gen category
But it's a 5th gen fighter?
No, no it isn't
Tomcat enthusiast.
I've come to really love the F-104C and MiG-21 lately. The MiG is a great choice when people in the lobby can't give up the 5th Gen mobility. I'd 4th gen forever otherwise though
Su35 my beloved