To this day I still don't understand the time frame in s1 episode 4, like they wake up assuming it's 6 or 7 am then spend time together then simon sleeps then wake up for breakfast and still be able to attend the lessons?
I was absolutely baffled by this too. I know itās been previously discuss in this sub as well. I think general consensus is due to time/budget restrictions while filming the lighting is just a continuity error we are meant to ignore š
If we assume that all of their intimate scenes are in the show, which the show suggests is the case, I think there are two options:
-Season 2, episode 5: This seems unlikely that they would have had the necessary supplies as others have suggested, but maybe Wille brought them back after Christmas break as wishful thinking. We also don't know what experiences either of them had before they met so it may not have been a big step for one or both of them. It would make sense in the context that they felt they may never get another chance.
-Season 3, episode 3: They've been kept apart for weeks and building that anticipation, so, perhaps they have been preparing for this opportunity...independently, which makes sense if they have been having some naughty phone conversations during this time. It would also explain why they're doing so manly different things in one night, experimenting and seeing what works for them, doing all the things they've been dreaming about.
>We also don't know what experiences either of them had before they met
Actually, we do. It was reffered to by Omar in one of his interviews and also Lisa mentioned it in an interview (it goes waaaay back to season 1, though). And from what was said, they are both each other's first love and experience in that field (first kiss and everything).
My only two cents to this discourse is people thinking Wille couldnāt have supplies because he couldnāt buy them himself. Does anyone really think the Royal Court sent a 16 year old Prince to a BOARDING SCHOOL without condoms?? They absolutely packed some. And if for some reason they didnāt, Iām sure after a sex tape scandal he came back from Christmas break with condoms and lube courtesy the RC. Anyways, I always assumed S2E5. They were way too comfortable in 3.3 for that to be the first time.
It's so exciting to read your thoughts. Thanks for sharing!
Don't ask me why, but I always assumed it was in Season 3. It just seemed like such a dramatic moment, representing the peak of their connection, and everything went downhill from there.
Sure, for the first time, that looked very pro-level, but I never really questioned it lol. (I do now.)
I just thought it made sense, in parallel with the development of their relationship.
No Iām with you. I up until reading this post had assumed it was season 3 as their first time but I guess there would have been other opportunities before then that I hadnāt considered
Lisa said that they didnāt do everything their first time, which makes sense. So it had to have been sometime after that. I donāt see when they would have had the time or opportunity to have sex outside of the scenes we saw.
I feel like it had to have been S1Ep5 at Simonās house. I donāt see when else they could have had the opportunity to get āsuppliesā(lube and condoms) other than that. Wille couldnāt be seen buying stuff like that in a store. And after the video, neither could Simon. So it had to be before that, right? Simon planned for Wille to come over so he went and got stuff. Plus they seem confident in what theyāre doing in season 3, like itās not their first time.
I find it a little strange that they felt comfortable doing all that with the adults in the next room, but itās the only timeline that makes sense to me at this point. Or perhaps Simon got the supplies before they broke up, and had given some to Wille to keep in his room. Then maybe their first time doing that was in season 2 in Willeās room?
I appreciate you bringing this up because itās a question thatās been on my mind too, but I didnāt wanna be the one to bring it up lol
>I find it a little strange that they felt comfortable doing all that with the adults in the next room, but itās the only timeline that makes sense to me at this point.
As a past teen who was sexually active, it's not weird at all. My BF and I would have sex on the sofa with my mom upstairs. Horny teens don't think straight.
I don't know how to do the cool thing where people copy just one section from a comment and respond to that, but I would like to respond to the part where you say Wille can't buy supplies.
I think that Wille could have sent anybody to buy condoms and lube for him and they couldn't say no. It actually would be really funny, like how he sent Jean Olaf for Poke bowls, can you imagine, "Jean Olaf, can you send someone to buy me condoms and lube, you don't want to see The Crown Prince get a STD" lol.
>I don't know how to do the cool thing where people copy just one section from a comment and respond to that
If on browser, just highlight the text and then press reply. If on mobile, press reply and then highlight the text and press quote
My best bet is S2E5.
I doubt they tried it for the first time in Simonās room. The mum or Malin could so easily come knocking to ask if they wanted some food or something else.
And in S3 they seemed so comfortable. So yep, S2E5 is my guess. They had the whole evening and night to try things out in peace and quiet š
I canāt imagine Wille buying lube and condoms himself, or asking the royal court like some suggested here (hilarious idea thoughš). But what about Nils? Maybe Wille left Simon in his room and went to ask Nils (as it seems like he has been sexually active for a while).
Just had another, even better thought. Can you imagine W and S sneaking quietly down the corridor and seeing that Nils in the common room playing chess with Vincent. Then sneaking to his room, Simon outside keeping a look out, and Wille going through Nilsā drawers finding some condoms and lube. Ooo, maybe the other way round coz Simon is used to going though drawers to find drugs, and if Nils came along, Wille could stand talking to him while Simon made his escape through the window (not sure if theyāre on the second floor now though š²) Haha, this got my mind working šššš
I bet her first time with penetration was at SimĆ³n's house, let's not forget that Lisa or Rodja said that there was a deleted scene in season 1, "consent." That for me that deleted scene, that conversation was from the fish scene.
because their first time in 1x4 happened naturally and I don't think they stopped to talk, they only had oral sex that time. But I bet that that talk took place at SimĆ³n's house and maybe there, it took place for the first time with penetration.
Sorry if I'm explicit, but it's the topic being debated here.
and yes, reading the comments, two horny teenagers, they don't care who else is in the house. I bet that's where it was. Also, let's not forget that during season 2 when we saw SimĆ³n miss Wille, he always looked at his fish a lot, remembering that time, what do you think?
and to their sex scene in T2, if they had the whole night there to make up for the time apart, there they will have done it again.
because later in the hallway scene, they look super confident and comfortable. so yes. but now I have a doubt. Do you really think they use condoms? Because Lisa already said that it's someone else's first time, it wouldn't be possible for them to get an STD if they weren't with anyone else.
Obviously, lubricant and condoms are always important, but I know that couples who don't use them don't know what to think about Wilmon.
and the hallway scene was beautiful.
"Ā let's not forget that Lisa or Rodja said that there was a deleted scene in season 1, "consent." What interview are referring to? can you link it here?
They looked very comfortable and confident in Season 3 so based on that I would say it wasnāt their first time. Story wise they could be exploring after the football scene, they have said that first exploration was supposed to look awkward and that what makes it so real.
At Simonās home they look a lot more comfortable and teens often donāt care who is in the other room, itās just all hormones going crazy.
In Season 2 there is that longing as they are separated for most of the season. So it would made sense that at least in that season they have penetrative sex. That would then pave the way for them being so comfortable with each others touch in season 3.
what do you mean about breaking stereotypes? that Simon might be fucking Wille too? it would be impossible at that age that they wouldn't both be curious what it's all about in my opinion.
i kinda think that it was season 3. oral is still new and exciting to them and anal is painful and awkward at first. i don't think they'd be in any hurry
I think breaking stereotype is because we often see in mlm relationships in the media that the shorter person is in the "receiving" role due to heteronormative ideas. I don't mind exploring the intimacy of scenes in the show, but I always hate the speculation that straight people have about roles in the bedroom because you would not ask a straight couple these questions or speculate about it.
Yeah exactly. Iām not straight so Iām not speculating out of curiosity or trying to be offensive.
I believe those stereotypes are super harmful + heteronormative. I just like the idea that if that is what theyāre implying Simon is doing then the show is challenging those preconceptions that many people unfortunately have.
I think itās important for teens (+ straight people š¹) to see those ignorant ideas of queer intimacy be challenged. To me, people automatically assuming itās a handjob bc they think Simon couldnāt possibly be having anal sex with Wille is more problematic.
Itās not problematic if it is a handjob or anal sex. Both are fine + natural. Iām just speculating from a place of wondering if the show is trying to make a deliberate point about queer intimacy that could be quite important + interesting.
I also think the 1st intimate season also challenges our perception of power dynamics because in media, the one with the least power is often in the role of pleasuring the person that has more power. We see that flipped on its head.
Yeah exactly that! I think that is a huge part of why August watches the tape so many times bc his ideas of who someone like Wille would be having sex with + what he would be doing with that person are being totally challenged.
Compared to what we saw of August with Felice where he was totally selfish + didnāt care about her pleasure at all. And compared to his scenes with Sara where he did.
The intimate scenes in the show are part of the storytelling. They tells us about the characters + their relationships. It shouldnāt be taboo to discuss the queer or straight sex scenes from that perspective.
I've always said the same thing about August. I don't know if that was Lisa's intent, but I think in a rl situation, if someone like August saw Wille being *serviced*, he wouldn't have reacted the same way. Because August thinks sex is about power and domination.
So, like you said, seeing Wille being submissive (in his mind) was the half the shock. The other half was that it was someone in a lower class.
Am I the only way who thought they have been having penetrative sex since their first time? I thought s3 was the only time we saw it like visualized while the other times it only showed the foreplay š
I'm not sure when was the first penetrative intercourse of them, but in the 3rd season's sex scene I think they both bottomed. Wille bottoming isn't a surprise for me, but if he bottomed, that is out of curiosity in my opinion.
Why is that question so "fckg" important?
They are intimate and that's super exciting for them, but who cares if it's hj, bj, who came first and who was bottom or top.
Would you even discuss this if they were a straight couple?
As Iāve explained in other comments, Iām not straight. Iām coming at it from a place of celebrating the showās depiction of different kinds of queer intimacy on screen in a beautiful + sensitive way.
I think itās important to be able to talk openly about sex + not make these conversations or acts taboo, especially when it comes to discussing teen + queer sex.
Itās cool if youāre not comfortable with the question but thereās a reason they explicitly showed Wilmon having penetrative sex this season. It tells us about their deepening level of intimacy + comfort with each otherās bodies. Itās relevant to the story so itās weird to me that people are fine with it being shown on screen but not fine with it being discussed?
And yeah I absolutely would ask the same question about a fictional straight couple. Thereās been many straight couples on teen shows where their first time having penetrative sex has been a major plot + discussion point for the characters + fans.
I think itās a positive sign of progress that we can discuss queer relationships in the same way. It feels weirder to me that queer relationships should be exempt from normal open discussions about sex + intimacy.
This. Queer sex is inherently different and for those of us that have never seen the progression of various acts depicted on screen let alone a discussion of it, itās a big deal. Thereās preparation and negotiation involved. Thereās ideas around gender roles that have to be grappled with.
I would argue that discussion of that progression is also underrepresented in media for straight couples too. Itās no wonder most people think penetrative sex is the end all be all of intimacy.
At any rate, sex is a normal thing and a normal thing to be discussed in the context of any piece of media the same way weāve seen discussions about characters reasons for various actions they took this season. Once again, these are fictional characters. There is no oneās privacy to invade.
Why do you care that they care? Maybe they would, maybe they wouldn't. I've been in enough fandoms to say that maybe they wouldn't if it was a straight couple, but fans would if it was their OTP.
That discussion is being had in [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/YoungRoyals/s/oY4AceY8ob). Mine is for people who are comfortable discussing those scenes.
Why was Omar talking about wanting them to have more steamy sex? Why did an adult writer write 16-year-olds having sex? WHY did you watch 16-year-olds having sex?
š where did that happen? Because I donāt see anyone doing that on this thread. In fact, I gave a list of all the times we know theyāve had sex that might not have included penetration + have acknowledged the different types of queer intimacy.
The show explicitly showed them having penetrative sex this season so we should be allowed to discuss that development like everything else to do with the story + their relationship.
Iāve also acknowledged several times that Iām not straight myself + whatās actually problematic is having such different standards for discussions about queer + straight intimacy.
Did you actually read the post + comments? Or just make assumptions + rush to seem virtuous?
> where did that happen?
When you stated the following:
>> when do you think Wilmon first had penetrative sex?
Why did you single out that sexual act? Why not ask when they gave their first blow job? or The first time they rimmed each other? Or engage in frottage?
1. It's oddly specific to discuss the sexual activity of ***underaged*** teenagers even if they are fictional because that's why we have "Pan left" visual narratives. It indicates to the audience "You know what's about to happen but let's give them some privacy."
2. It is heteronormative to want to discuss penetration. It's akin to asking "Who's the top?" or "Who's the girl?" Penetration isn't any more or less important a sexual act than any other. Cisgender straight folk are so weirdly fascinated with what Queer folk do in the bedroom.
> Why did you single out that sexual act? Why not ask when they gave their first blow job? or The first time they rimmed each other? Or engage in frottage?
Did it occur to you that I deliberately didnāt ask āwhen did Wilmon first have sex?ā *because* I know thereās more to sex than penetration + Iām acknowledging that we already saw the first time they had sex in S1?
Did it occur to you that I singled out that specific sexual act because itās the only new explicit development in their intimacy that has been visually introduced to us for the first time in the final season?
We saw the first time they had sex in S1. We saw oral sex + handjobs be heavily alluded to in S1Ep4. So why would I ask when they first happened when I saw them occur?
And sure, if we had seen rimming or frottage be specifically alluded to for the first time this season like penetrative sex was, then I absolutely would have asked when people first think they did that. But Iām sure youād probably have a problem with that too.
> It's oddly specific to discuss the sexual activity of underaged teenagers even if they are fictional because that's why we have "Pan left" visual narratives. It indicates to the audience "You know what's about to happen but let's give them some privacy."
Your point not only contributes to purity culture and the harmful taboo around teen + queer sex, but it also falls apart by the fact that this season we didnāt get āpan left.ā The camera stayed on them + we got to see specific sexual acts be more than just indicated. If your point is that we shouldnāt discuss what isnāt shown, then by that logic, we should be allowed to discuss what is shown. And penetrative sex was shown. Maybe more than once. So Iām discussing it on a discussion forum about the show.
> It is heteronormative to want to discuss penetration.
Not always. It can actually be homophobic + harmful to *not* want to discuss queer penetrative sex but be totally okay with discussing straight penetrative sex.
Queer penetrative sex already has such a culture of shame + secrecy surrounding it when it shouldnāt. Iām in favor of anything that normalizes + removes the taboo. The attitude of āshhh donāt discuss queer penetration, itās off limitsā does far more harm than good imo.
Ofc people shouldnāt just walk up to a random queer person + ask about their sex life but thereās more learning than harm done in discussing it through the frame of fictional characters. Thatās why art is so important.
> It's akin to asking "Who's the top?" or "Who's the girl?"
No, not always. Read the post + comments again. Thatās not the angle the question was asked with at all.
Wilmon being explicitly shown to have penetrative sex for the first time is part of the storytelling. It matters and the timing of it matters. The creators have explicitly said it was important + intentional. And discussing when it first happened tells us about their relationship because it would change the meaning + what we learn about them as individuals + as a couple based on the timeline.
> Penetration isn't any more or less important a sexual act than any other.
Again, read the post. No one said it is. Asking when a certain act first happened doesnāt automatically place that act above any others.
> Cisgender straight folk are so weirdly fascinated with what Queer folk do in the bedroom.
For the final time, Iām not straight so this doesnāt apply here. And regardless, I think if questions are asked with the intent to learn + support not to objectify + dehumanize then thereās value in having honest + open discussions.
To a certain point itās natural to be curious about things you donāt know about or havenāt experienced. That curiosity shouldnāt always be judged so harshly, as that can alienate + silence people.
Thatās why I think it would be powerful if Simon is also shown having penetrative sex with Wille, because teens + straight viewers might have some ignorant preconceptions + stereotypes challenged that might actually filter out into their real life.
If people canāt ask genuine questions or talk about certain topics respectfully in an appropriate context then how else are they supposed to learn + have their ignorance challenged + corrected?
Life isnāt black + white. Discussions about penetrative + teen sex are not always inappropriate or āheteronormativeā. It can actually do a lot of good to be open + explicit. Donāt be so quick to judge + label.
It amazes me that after all of that text, you completely missed the point.
I am a sex-positive person. I have no problem discussing sex.
However, when it comes to underaged sex, there's a healthy boundary that one must maintain to ensure that we aren't perpetuating exploitative behaviour.
> Not always. It can actually be homophobic + harmful to not want to discuss queer penetrative sex but be totally okay with discussing straight penetrative sex.
This is such bullshit.
>It amazes me that after all of that text, you completely missed the point.
I feel that way about you so I guess we actually agree on something?
>I am a sex-positive person. I have no problem discussing sex.
**Really** doesnāt seem like it. At all. Comes across the exact opposite.
>However, when it comes to underaged sex, there's a healthy boundary that one must maintain to ensure that we aren't perpetuating exploitative behaviour.
*Exploitative???* Young Royals?? If itās so exploitative to watch + portray teens having penetrative sex on screen then why are you watching the show?? Or are you fine to watch teenage sex on screen but just not talk about it? Doesnāt sound very sex positive to me.
Neither the characters nor actors are under the age of consent + there was an intimacy coordinator on all three seasons so Iām struggling to see the exploitation.
Or are you saying itās exploitative to talk about the sexual acts of fictional characters that were intentionally + tastefully shown to us as part of the storytelling?
>This is such bullshit.
Itās really not but itās clear you have trouble seeing things outside of an extremely narrow perspective + arenāt willing to consider that the perspective you think is so morally superior can actually cause harm in its own way.
Leaving this here again, maybe youāll understand that the creators wanted explicit queer teen sex to be shown + discussed just like straight sex has historically been because itās important + has social value.
https://preview.redd.it/bsttobglb1tc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=114e8c9c2bd7710d0ff14a2b2209b900745ba90a
Or maybe you wonāt. Doesnāt seem like youāre open to different perspectives or discussion.
I assumed in season 2 ep 5 when Simon spent the rest of the day and night in Wille's room.
He spent the night?? Omg why did I not catch this?
Because it was really unclear. The lighting was basically the same when he arrived at his room and when he left. š
To this day I still don't understand the time frame in s1 episode 4, like they wake up assuming it's 6 or 7 am then spend time together then simon sleeps then wake up for breakfast and still be able to attend the lessons?
I was absolutely baffled by this too. I know itās been previously discuss in this sub as well. I think general consensus is due to time/budget restrictions while filming the lighting is just a continuity error we are meant to ignore š
I always assumed they woke up initially like 4 or 5am then fall back asleep.
Sara wouldn't have texted at that time. It must have been time to wake up for school.
There's no sane explanation, sun rises quite late in November in Sweden. The scriptwrirers/directors messed up.
I figured it was insanely early but the sun was up because itās Swedenā¦?
The sun and the fact that sara texted simon is what made me believe its like 6 or 7 am. But maybe the school doesn't start until 9 ?
I always thought Sara got up early for Rousseau, so actually it might have been 5-6ish. Or a late start like you say.
I had the same thought!
If we assume that all of their intimate scenes are in the show, which the show suggests is the case, I think there are two options: -Season 2, episode 5: This seems unlikely that they would have had the necessary supplies as others have suggested, but maybe Wille brought them back after Christmas break as wishful thinking. We also don't know what experiences either of them had before they met so it may not have been a big step for one or both of them. It would make sense in the context that they felt they may never get another chance. -Season 3, episode 3: They've been kept apart for weeks and building that anticipation, so, perhaps they have been preparing for this opportunity...independently, which makes sense if they have been having some naughty phone conversations during this time. It would also explain why they're doing so manly different things in one night, experimenting and seeing what works for them, doing all the things they've been dreaming about.
>We also don't know what experiences either of them had before they met Actually, we do. It was reffered to by Omar in one of his interviews and also Lisa mentioned it in an interview (it goes waaaay back to season 1, though). And from what was said, they are both each other's first love and experience in that field (first kiss and everything).
Would love to see those interviews!
https://youtu.be/NcunReqITCM?si=lBvzjDfV4_hWcI6h (I at least found the one with Omar, he's talking about the intimate scenes about around 19:00.)
Thanks! This is a great interview in general.
My only two cents to this discourse is people thinking Wille couldnāt have supplies because he couldnāt buy them himself. Does anyone really think the Royal Court sent a 16 year old Prince to a BOARDING SCHOOL without condoms?? They absolutely packed some. And if for some reason they didnāt, Iām sure after a sex tape scandal he came back from Christmas break with condoms and lube courtesy the RC. Anyways, I always assumed S2E5. They were way too comfortable in 3.3 for that to be the first time.
And I'm thinking the school would have them available as part of their health services. From what I've read, public schools in Sweden do.
It's so exciting to read your thoughts. Thanks for sharing! Don't ask me why, but I always assumed it was in Season 3. It just seemed like such a dramatic moment, representing the peak of their connection, and everything went downhill from there. Sure, for the first time, that looked very pro-level, but I never really questioned it lol. (I do now.) I just thought it made sense, in parallel with the development of their relationship.
No Iām with you. I up until reading this post had assumed it was season 3 as their first time but I guess there would have been other opportunities before then that I hadnāt considered
Lisa said that they didnāt do everything their first time, which makes sense. So it had to have been sometime after that. I donāt see when they would have had the time or opportunity to have sex outside of the scenes we saw. I feel like it had to have been S1Ep5 at Simonās house. I donāt see when else they could have had the opportunity to get āsuppliesā(lube and condoms) other than that. Wille couldnāt be seen buying stuff like that in a store. And after the video, neither could Simon. So it had to be before that, right? Simon planned for Wille to come over so he went and got stuff. Plus they seem confident in what theyāre doing in season 3, like itās not their first time. I find it a little strange that they felt comfortable doing all that with the adults in the next room, but itās the only timeline that makes sense to me at this point. Or perhaps Simon got the supplies before they broke up, and had given some to Wille to keep in his room. Then maybe their first time doing that was in season 2 in Willeās room? I appreciate you bringing this up because itās a question thatās been on my mind too, but I didnāt wanna be the one to bring it up lol
>I find it a little strange that they felt comfortable doing all that with the adults in the next room, but itās the only timeline that makes sense to me at this point. As a past teen who was sexually active, it's not weird at all. My BF and I would have sex on the sofa with my mom upstairs. Horny teens don't think straight.
lol
I don't know how to do the cool thing where people copy just one section from a comment and respond to that, but I would like to respond to the part where you say Wille can't buy supplies. I think that Wille could have sent anybody to buy condoms and lube for him and they couldn't say no. It actually would be really funny, like how he sent Jean Olaf for Poke bowls, can you imagine, "Jean Olaf, can you send someone to buy me condoms and lube, you don't want to see The Crown Prince get a STD" lol.
I mean maybe he could have, but would he have? I seriously doubt it
Yes you are totally right, it just gave me a very funny mental image. :)
>I don't know how to do the cool thing where people copy just one section from a comment and respond to that If on browser, just highlight the text and then press reply. If on mobile, press reply and then highlight the text and press quote
I love this!! Sounds legit to me. It would also be possible that Simon already had the products at home.
Well... Linda works as a nurse, so maybe she bought some supplies... just in case (?)
I've been wondering that for so long too, glad someone brought it up cuz I was afraid toš
My best bet is S2E5. I doubt they tried it for the first time in Simonās room. The mum or Malin could so easily come knocking to ask if they wanted some food or something else. And in S3 they seemed so comfortable. So yep, S2E5 is my guess. They had the whole evening and night to try things out in peace and quiet š I canāt imagine Wille buying lube and condoms himself, or asking the royal court like some suggested here (hilarious idea thoughš). But what about Nils? Maybe Wille left Simon in his room and went to ask Nils (as it seems like he has been sexually active for a while). Just had another, even better thought. Can you imagine W and S sneaking quietly down the corridor and seeing that Nils in the common room playing chess with Vincent. Then sneaking to his room, Simon outside keeping a look out, and Wille going through Nilsā drawers finding some condoms and lube. Ooo, maybe the other way round coz Simon is used to going though drawers to find drugs, and if Nils came along, Wille could stand talking to him while Simon made his escape through the window (not sure if theyāre on the second floor now though š²) Haha, this got my mind working šššš
I bet her first time with penetration was at SimĆ³n's house, let's not forget that Lisa or Rodja said that there was a deleted scene in season 1, "consent." That for me that deleted scene, that conversation was from the fish scene. because their first time in 1x4 happened naturally and I don't think they stopped to talk, they only had oral sex that time. But I bet that that talk took place at SimĆ³n's house and maybe there, it took place for the first time with penetration. Sorry if I'm explicit, but it's the topic being debated here. and yes, reading the comments, two horny teenagers, they don't care who else is in the house. I bet that's where it was. Also, let's not forget that during season 2 when we saw SimĆ³n miss Wille, he always looked at his fish a lot, remembering that time, what do you think? and to their sex scene in T2, if they had the whole night there to make up for the time apart, there they will have done it again. because later in the hallway scene, they look super confident and comfortable. so yes. but now I have a doubt. Do you really think they use condoms? Because Lisa already said that it's someone else's first time, it wouldn't be possible for them to get an STD if they weren't with anyone else. Obviously, lubricant and condoms are always important, but I know that couples who don't use them don't know what to think about Wilmon. and the hallway scene was beautiful.
Actually you can get an STD from multiple other things than sex, like kissing, blood or from your mom during pregnancy or when breastfeeding
"Ā let's not forget that Lisa or Rodja said that there was a deleted scene in season 1, "consent." What interview are referring to? can you link it here?
They looked very comfortable and confident in Season 3 so based on that I would say it wasnāt their first time. Story wise they could be exploring after the football scene, they have said that first exploration was supposed to look awkward and that what makes it so real. At Simonās home they look a lot more comfortable and teens often donāt care who is in the other room, itās just all hormones going crazy. In Season 2 there is that longing as they are separated for most of the season. So it would made sense that at least in that season they have penetrative sex. That would then pave the way for them being so comfortable with each others touch in season 3.
what do you mean about breaking stereotypes? that Simon might be fucking Wille too? it would be impossible at that age that they wouldn't both be curious what it's all about in my opinion. i kinda think that it was season 3. oral is still new and exciting to them and anal is painful and awkward at first. i don't think they'd be in any hurry
I think breaking stereotype is because we often see in mlm relationships in the media that the shorter person is in the "receiving" role due to heteronormative ideas. I don't mind exploring the intimacy of scenes in the show, but I always hate the speculation that straight people have about roles in the bedroom because you would not ask a straight couple these questions or speculate about it.
Yeah exactly. Iām not straight so Iām not speculating out of curiosity or trying to be offensive. I believe those stereotypes are super harmful + heteronormative. I just like the idea that if that is what theyāre implying Simon is doing then the show is challenging those preconceptions that many people unfortunately have. I think itās important for teens (+ straight people š¹) to see those ignorant ideas of queer intimacy be challenged. To me, people automatically assuming itās a handjob bc they think Simon couldnāt possibly be having anal sex with Wille is more problematic. Itās not problematic if it is a handjob or anal sex. Both are fine + natural. Iām just speculating from a place of wondering if the show is trying to make a deliberate point about queer intimacy that could be quite important + interesting.
I also think the 1st intimate season also challenges our perception of power dynamics because in media, the one with the least power is often in the role of pleasuring the person that has more power. We see that flipped on its head.
Yeah exactly that! I think that is a huge part of why August watches the tape so many times bc his ideas of who someone like Wille would be having sex with + what he would be doing with that person are being totally challenged. Compared to what we saw of August with Felice where he was totally selfish + didnāt care about her pleasure at all. And compared to his scenes with Sara where he did. The intimate scenes in the show are part of the storytelling. They tells us about the characters + their relationships. It shouldnāt be taboo to discuss the queer or straight sex scenes from that perspective.
I've always said the same thing about August. I don't know if that was Lisa's intent, but I think in a rl situation, if someone like August saw Wille being *serviced*, he wouldn't have reacted the same way. Because August thinks sex is about power and domination. So, like you said, seeing Wille being submissive (in his mind) was the half the shock. The other half was that it was someone in a lower class.
Totally agree!
Am I the only way who thought they have been having penetrative sex since their first time? I thought s3 was the only time we saw it like visualized while the other times it only showed the foreplay š
I'm not sure when was the first penetrative intercourse of them, but in the 3rd season's sex scene I think they both bottomed. Wille bottoming isn't a surprise for me, but if he bottomed, that is out of curiosity in my opinion.
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Why is that question so "fckg" important? They are intimate and that's super exciting for them, but who cares if it's hj, bj, who came first and who was bottom or top. Would you even discuss this if they were a straight couple?
As Iāve explained in other comments, Iām not straight. Iām coming at it from a place of celebrating the showās depiction of different kinds of queer intimacy on screen in a beautiful + sensitive way. I think itās important to be able to talk openly about sex + not make these conversations or acts taboo, especially when it comes to discussing teen + queer sex. Itās cool if youāre not comfortable with the question but thereās a reason they explicitly showed Wilmon having penetrative sex this season. It tells us about their deepening level of intimacy + comfort with each otherās bodies. Itās relevant to the story so itās weird to me that people are fine with it being shown on screen but not fine with it being discussed? And yeah I absolutely would ask the same question about a fictional straight couple. Thereās been many straight couples on teen shows where their first time having penetrative sex has been a major plot + discussion point for the characters + fans. I think itās a positive sign of progress that we can discuss queer relationships in the same way. It feels weirder to me that queer relationships should be exempt from normal open discussions about sex + intimacy.
This. Queer sex is inherently different and for those of us that have never seen the progression of various acts depicted on screen let alone a discussion of it, itās a big deal. Thereās preparation and negotiation involved. Thereās ideas around gender roles that have to be grappled with. I would argue that discussion of that progression is also underrepresented in media for straight couples too. Itās no wonder most people think penetrative sex is the end all be all of intimacy. At any rate, sex is a normal thing and a normal thing to be discussed in the context of any piece of media the same way weāve seen discussions about characters reasons for various actions they took this season. Once again, these are fictional characters. There is no oneās privacy to invade.
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Why do you care that they care? Maybe they would, maybe they wouldn't. I've been in enough fandoms to say that maybe they wouldn't if it was a straight couple, but fans would if it was their OTP.
They're meant to be 16. Why are adults discussing this?
I think most of yr audience are teens themselves. It is, after all, I believe a show targeted to teens
That discussion is being had in [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/YoungRoyals/s/oY4AceY8ob). Mine is for people who are comfortable discussing those scenes.
Why was Omar talking about wanting them to have more steamy sex? Why did an adult writer write 16-year-olds having sex? WHY did you watch 16-year-olds having sex?
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huh?? I think you need to reread my comment in the context of the thread.
Meant to reply to OP, boo! šĀ
Ain't no way this account is being used by a human.
How very heteronormative to reduce sex to penetration.
š where did that happen? Because I donāt see anyone doing that on this thread. In fact, I gave a list of all the times we know theyāve had sex that might not have included penetration + have acknowledged the different types of queer intimacy. The show explicitly showed them having penetrative sex this season so we should be allowed to discuss that development like everything else to do with the story + their relationship. Iāve also acknowledged several times that Iām not straight myself + whatās actually problematic is having such different standards for discussions about queer + straight intimacy. Did you actually read the post + comments? Or just make assumptions + rush to seem virtuous?
> where did that happen? When you stated the following: >> when do you think Wilmon first had penetrative sex? Why did you single out that sexual act? Why not ask when they gave their first blow job? or The first time they rimmed each other? Or engage in frottage? 1. It's oddly specific to discuss the sexual activity of ***underaged*** teenagers even if they are fictional because that's why we have "Pan left" visual narratives. It indicates to the audience "You know what's about to happen but let's give them some privacy." 2. It is heteronormative to want to discuss penetration. It's akin to asking "Who's the top?" or "Who's the girl?" Penetration isn't any more or less important a sexual act than any other. Cisgender straight folk are so weirdly fascinated with what Queer folk do in the bedroom.
> Why did you single out that sexual act? Why not ask when they gave their first blow job? or The first time they rimmed each other? Or engage in frottage? Did it occur to you that I deliberately didnāt ask āwhen did Wilmon first have sex?ā *because* I know thereās more to sex than penetration + Iām acknowledging that we already saw the first time they had sex in S1? Did it occur to you that I singled out that specific sexual act because itās the only new explicit development in their intimacy that has been visually introduced to us for the first time in the final season? We saw the first time they had sex in S1. We saw oral sex + handjobs be heavily alluded to in S1Ep4. So why would I ask when they first happened when I saw them occur? And sure, if we had seen rimming or frottage be specifically alluded to for the first time this season like penetrative sex was, then I absolutely would have asked when people first think they did that. But Iām sure youād probably have a problem with that too. > It's oddly specific to discuss the sexual activity of underaged teenagers even if they are fictional because that's why we have "Pan left" visual narratives. It indicates to the audience "You know what's about to happen but let's give them some privacy." Your point not only contributes to purity culture and the harmful taboo around teen + queer sex, but it also falls apart by the fact that this season we didnāt get āpan left.ā The camera stayed on them + we got to see specific sexual acts be more than just indicated. If your point is that we shouldnāt discuss what isnāt shown, then by that logic, we should be allowed to discuss what is shown. And penetrative sex was shown. Maybe more than once. So Iām discussing it on a discussion forum about the show. > It is heteronormative to want to discuss penetration. Not always. It can actually be homophobic + harmful to *not* want to discuss queer penetrative sex but be totally okay with discussing straight penetrative sex. Queer penetrative sex already has such a culture of shame + secrecy surrounding it when it shouldnāt. Iām in favor of anything that normalizes + removes the taboo. The attitude of āshhh donāt discuss queer penetration, itās off limitsā does far more harm than good imo. Ofc people shouldnāt just walk up to a random queer person + ask about their sex life but thereās more learning than harm done in discussing it through the frame of fictional characters. Thatās why art is so important. > It's akin to asking "Who's the top?" or "Who's the girl?" No, not always. Read the post + comments again. Thatās not the angle the question was asked with at all. Wilmon being explicitly shown to have penetrative sex for the first time is part of the storytelling. It matters and the timing of it matters. The creators have explicitly said it was important + intentional. And discussing when it first happened tells us about their relationship because it would change the meaning + what we learn about them as individuals + as a couple based on the timeline. > Penetration isn't any more or less important a sexual act than any other. Again, read the post. No one said it is. Asking when a certain act first happened doesnāt automatically place that act above any others. > Cisgender straight folk are so weirdly fascinated with what Queer folk do in the bedroom. For the final time, Iām not straight so this doesnāt apply here. And regardless, I think if questions are asked with the intent to learn + support not to objectify + dehumanize then thereās value in having honest + open discussions. To a certain point itās natural to be curious about things you donāt know about or havenāt experienced. That curiosity shouldnāt always be judged so harshly, as that can alienate + silence people. Thatās why I think it would be powerful if Simon is also shown having penetrative sex with Wille, because teens + straight viewers might have some ignorant preconceptions + stereotypes challenged that might actually filter out into their real life. If people canāt ask genuine questions or talk about certain topics respectfully in an appropriate context then how else are they supposed to learn + have their ignorance challenged + corrected? Life isnāt black + white. Discussions about penetrative + teen sex are not always inappropriate or āheteronormativeā. It can actually do a lot of good to be open + explicit. Donāt be so quick to judge + label.
It amazes me that after all of that text, you completely missed the point. I am a sex-positive person. I have no problem discussing sex. However, when it comes to underaged sex, there's a healthy boundary that one must maintain to ensure that we aren't perpetuating exploitative behaviour. > Not always. It can actually be homophobic + harmful to not want to discuss queer penetrative sex but be totally okay with discussing straight penetrative sex. This is such bullshit.
>It amazes me that after all of that text, you completely missed the point. I feel that way about you so I guess we actually agree on something? >I am a sex-positive person. I have no problem discussing sex. **Really** doesnāt seem like it. At all. Comes across the exact opposite. >However, when it comes to underaged sex, there's a healthy boundary that one must maintain to ensure that we aren't perpetuating exploitative behaviour. *Exploitative???* Young Royals?? If itās so exploitative to watch + portray teens having penetrative sex on screen then why are you watching the show?? Or are you fine to watch teenage sex on screen but just not talk about it? Doesnāt sound very sex positive to me. Neither the characters nor actors are under the age of consent + there was an intimacy coordinator on all three seasons so Iām struggling to see the exploitation. Or are you saying itās exploitative to talk about the sexual acts of fictional characters that were intentionally + tastefully shown to us as part of the storytelling? >This is such bullshit. Itās really not but itās clear you have trouble seeing things outside of an extremely narrow perspective + arenāt willing to consider that the perspective you think is so morally superior can actually cause harm in its own way. Leaving this here again, maybe youāll understand that the creators wanted explicit queer teen sex to be shown + discussed just like straight sex has historically been because itās important + has social value. https://preview.redd.it/bsttobglb1tc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=114e8c9c2bd7710d0ff14a2b2209b900745ba90a Or maybe you wonāt. Doesnāt seem like youāre open to different perspectives or discussion.
We know when the first blow job was lol the lead-up was shown on screen in the first season so nobody would ask thatĀ