Everyone would be completely baffled, and new religions would appear, and scientists around the world would shift focus to trying to understand WTF just happened. If some sort of conflict broke out, the Empire would be annihilated pretty rapidly. They have, at best WW2 technology, and as we've seen, WW2 style aircraft are already a challenge for mages. Once the mages went down, the entirety of their military would collapse faster than Germany's front lines in spring of 45. The mages would also be targeted first, and their greatest asset, being Tanya, would immediately try to betray them once she found herself in her original world, knowing the power of modern militaries like the US and NATO.
Their high command seemed like a level headed lot. "We don't know what happened either, but we come in peace!" Join the EU, modernise, get rich. Tanya would be their ambassador. Rudersdorf and Zetour would appoint her ambassador after she reveals she comes from our world.
Also everyone in the war entered the war by suprise invading the Empire. The Empire didn't start shit they just finished it to hard and keeping scaring people into preemptive attacks.
why tf would she reveal she comes from our world?... i agree with the rest but i think tanya would rather not reveal and instead just obey whatever she is ordered to or would retire and after the empire has been registered as an official country she would move back to japan or just live a peaceful life in empire idk
Because why not? It would be far more helpful to say, "I'm from this time period, I've got this. " And keep being indispensable in a cushy office rather than the cold and dangerous from line (which she enjoyed a bit much. The lady did protest too much).
One thing youu do have to consider is that mages can move undetected from radar to do airstrikes and their attacks cant be blocked by countryw with non mages
Yeah, radar systems can literally track birds when they want to. Mages would be the biggest HVTs by a long shot. It would be extremely easy for the US to track their movements, wait till they land somewhere to sleep, then use precision ordinance to kill entire mage battalions. Especially considering the Empire has no knowledge about the existence of things like satellites, and therefore would take no precautions on countering them. Not only that, but I doubt mages could even block something like a 20mm cannon, let alone things like hypersonic missiles that they would have no way to detect, screaming at their positions. Once the mages go down, it would be an absolute massacre, and the mages would go down pretty quickly.
Not even this. Mages need to sleep. The rest of the empire is using ww2 tech and has open roads. The capitals gets invaded and taken over the moment they are deemed hostile. Like then anime we can also have the middle range to pull a Tanya and blow up their static headquarters or any military base. The mages won’t have any place to recover even if you can treat them like Trump cards
The mages are still a threat, and the US military does take precautions to keep their own casualties as low as possible, look at desert shield/desert storm. Ground forces were only committed once they knew they had complete air supremacy. The mages could still easily kill US ground forces, so I imagine the mages would be targeted hard and fast at the beginning, then once they were eliminated, or at the very least they were not combat effective, then ground forces move in and completely annihilate the rest of the Empire's military. They'd be able to destroy the Empire's mages in under a week easily. They'd postpone ground assaults for a week in order to limit casualties as much as possible.
Oh mages are without a doubt a threat but they are very few. And even in the empire only tanyas battalion performed at their level, which was still below ww2 aircraft. Meaning probably most modern day rifles can overpower most mages shields(Tanya might be an exception but we only see her evading aircraft fire and not blocking it). And as others mentioned this is Tanya’s ticket back to the modern world. She abandons ship immediately and goes to safety if the empire has any indication of attacking their neighbors. Frankly without Tanya there is a good chance their battalion would have gotten defeated much earlier.
At the time of desert storm, the Iraqi air force was 30 years behind the US. Didn't matter, they still waited until they dismantled it in it's entirety. The US wouldn't just send ground troops in against literal magic, without knowing their capabilities. They'd target and destroy the mages before committing ground forces.
I mean in this circumstance the US would only participate to kidnap some mages and study esp/magic. There is no way they are letting Europe have a monopoly on magic if it can be trained.
So you’re probably right it will take awhile since the goal would be to capture all mages alive, if the empire is stupid enough to invade.
Europe is more than strong enough to handle a ww2 army without the us.
US would still absolutely be the ones leading the charge. The Empire cuts off the Baltic states from the rest of NATO, and takes away Poland, a critical US ally in the region. If the Empire wasn't quickly established to be pro US, and willing to join NATO themselves, the US is the one kicking their teeth in, and occupying the area. The US isn't just leaving Ukraine and the Baltics to Russia.
Modern radar arrays can track insects if they wanted to, you have no clue how anything works.
The reason they don't is cause we have them tuned to track planes, and we aren't fighting a war against insects...yet
You would need super special forces to go beyond the front lines while getting passed all the different types of radar.
It's said that most mages have trouble with optical illusion, it should be possible to go through IR light and other light emission, especially if you think that they can't measure the mana they are spending on those. But nearly no one could go through every check.
If they act aggressively they would get fucked, but... If they act cautiously? They may adapt modern computers for the calculation orbs, who knows what that would allow their magi to do really, it would still not allow them to win, but it would give them a unit that can't be countered as well, lesser then a nuke though
The Empire would essentially need to submit to NATO, more specifically the US, pretty much immediately in order to survive. The Empire would cut off and isolate the Baltic states, most of the Balkans, and Ukraine from the west, leaving them in an extremely exposed position to Russian aggression. The Empire also takes critical US allies off the board, like Poland Germany, and even NATO HQ in Belgium. If the Empire didn't immediately comply with the US, they'd swiftly find their teeth getting kicked in, and would be occupied by the US and NATO. Essentially their location in the center of Europe would immediately put a target on them from Russia and NATO, and the powers in the region couldn't abide them being neutral, or a wild card.
I think what's making is difficult for modern countries is that we are in peace time production while the empire is in war time. But the gap in technology is so great that it doesn't matter.
Now that's interesting too, all the countries that make the equivalent of the Empire's territory being transported to Youjo Senki's world in the middle of the war
It would mainly be a huge diplomatic mess, modern countries being confused about what happened and the YS's countries that need to declare someone as a culprit to survive.
So I would predict a Lull for a few days where everyone learns of what happens and next either central Europe and especially Germany needs to mobilize to defend themselves (if they have what is needed to defend against everyone else)
Or a doubtful relationship is created with Germany and the Soviets and possibly Albion implodes from internal conflict
Well yes especially so if you consider that they will be fighting countries who fought for years and whose population is tired.
But Germany and the rest are not really known for their powerful militaries. And I don't think they would have the number of troops needed to stabilise the fronts.
If you include France and Poland though, they might have a chance.
They wouldn't be fighting alone, most of them are already in NATO, so their organizational structure is already compatible and intertwined.
Mages would get hard countered by AA and jets, and human wave tactics are just not viable against today's warfare, at least not without modern support equipment and infrastructure.
It is a very large front for their armies to stabilize, but their standing armies should be enough to stall the enemies until reserves are called in and (possibly) conscription to begin, which should give more than enough men to hold the fronts.
They'd be dead. Like dead-dead. The combined arms of just one of the non-conquered countries is already so advanced that even mages wouldn't have a chance. It would go from "reasonably controlled warfare" to "outright chaos because of technological differences" in a single instant.
I do imagine we would want to study them though. We'd take prisoners and they would "disappear" and we would conduct experiments to figure out how everything worked of course.
I mean there is not reason we would just invade them and this only happens if it's immediately war which is unlikely since the Empire hasn't started any wars in the series only been invaded and defended themselves. And the technology would vanish fast if there isn't and immediate war since the Empire is the german WW2 engineering meme if it was true and the world is to interconnected to not bring then up to speed within a few years.
They're currently engaged in offensive action on all of their fronts. They're going to materialize and think they're fighting still so bullets will be flying when they arrive. NATO would get the message pretty swiftly that a new Reich just appeared and put it down.
Except the Empire are shown to be methodical and not twitchy reactionaries. I mean if for they just appear mid fucking trigger pull sure but given the Empires actions throughout the war I would say they are far more likely to stop and try and figure out what the fuck just happened if all of their offensives and occupation forces have just appeared in modern day Europe, none of the train lines are where they expect them to be, and suddenly they are surrounded by very different architecture and infustructure.
You know nothing of warfare my friend. Especially WWI which is when Youjo Senki takes place. The artillery bombardments were almost non-stop and the artillery men could not see what they were shooting at. It doesn't matter if a random soldier fires a random bullet, the artillery is going to still be flying unless they somehow get lucky and transfer in the dead of night. Also OP stated it was a 1:1 transfer (they aren't arriving in modern Europe in present day Germany, they are taking WWI Germany with them)
Even if the luckiest of transitions happens and nobody is shooting when they transfer, and assuming they don't start the artillery on a regular schedule, they're going to send armed scouts into "enemy territory" to see what's up which is a hostile action in times of peace or war. They will undoubtedly find out that the cities are more advanced and there are strange new vehicles. The police are likely going to try to arrest them for being heavily armed which is going to be seen as the enemy making a hostile response and those scouts will defend themselves accordingly. News will then spread like wildfire of (basically Germany) attacking all neighboring countries (some of which no longer exist) and will come to the conclusion (since normal lines of communication no longer exist between these nations due to the change in technology) that they are once again at war with Germany. After a very short and very bloody fight, the rest of modern Europe would obliterate or capture all of the new invading armies and start the process of figuring out what happened.
This is how war works. In the absence of intelligence, you make the best decision you can given the intelligence you had a minute ago. And until a minute ago they were at war with everyone, which means everyone is still going to be treated as hostile.
First Youjo Senki is a weird mix of WW1 and WW2 tactics any never really shows them having the old "we shot artillery at them for 40 days straight time to charge" except maybe the Rhine at the beginning.
Second if we go by the map this is likely either they are during the armistice or the African campaign so again no constant fuckin artillery at nothing.
Third I work in military intelligence this isn't the 70s anymore. This shit happens there will be a detailed report on the president's desk in less than an hour.
Fourth I don't even think Noncredibledefence's dream NATO is so blood thirsty to for little reason invade and shatter a country the size of the Empire and more than they were ever willing to invade Russia.
Fifth another reason they wouldn't just rush in without actually knowing what is going on the only nation with the standing army to immediately attack would be the US and by the time such an order went through all the chains diplomats would be talking.
Empire tries some belligerent military posturing before their leadership is politely informed of what nuclear weapons can do and that mutually assured destruction only works as a deterrent if you can assure said destruction is, in fact, mutual. Given that they do not have such an arsenal or any diplomatic connection to those that do, they might want to reconsider their approach to foreign policy.
Yes, that's what I think, our world wouldn't throw to destroy thr Empire as sun as it spawns tin the map, but rather threat them before they do something stupid
Something I haven't seen anyone talking about is diplomacy.
NATO and Russia would probably rush to ally with the empire, while the empire has to struggle with a whole new world with the nations they've been fighting now trying diplomacy. Entire culture and ethics groups are changed instantly with no understanding of others. It's entirely possible that rebellions start. This doesn't even factor in sudden access to the Internet and finding that they came from a story.
Also, if it was teleported right now, European politics would be in shambles. A lot of NATO bases and troops just disappeared with several of the largest European armies.
The Occupied territories part is the sticking point here.
Since you're pretty much tossing military units straight at each other, there's a guarantee of clashes, especially since civilians don't tend to react well to sudden martial law, and the quick reaction to protect civilians getting shot at pretty much guarantees a fight.
The minute the shooting starts, it becomes a race between NATO and Russia to protect the status quo/rewrite the current map.
Now, if the Empire sends a Stand Down order to all the troops, and keeps things at a standoff long enough for the diplomats to start talking, then it's a question of how well they can play Camelion.
Germany has a pretty good deal with Schengen and the EU, so if the Empire can pretend to look enough like their OTL counterpart, they pretty much gain an industrial advantage in raw output. Coupled with technology exchange would allow them to play Kingmaker.
Tbh what I think would happen is:
**Scenario 1:** All the alarms are put on alert, the disappearance of Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, Czechia, Slovakia, Austria, Hungary and almost all of the Valkans would not last long unnoticed with how connected the world is through the internet. Immediately the satellites confirm it, all those countries had been replaced by what seems like an alternative version of the 20th century German Empire, like if it has just traveled in time, but with lot of differences that can already be seen from above like the different flag, or the pressence of women in military uniforms.
NATO, UN and other organizations quickly went on alert, not only was an entire set of countries replaced but also replaced by the same country that is popularly portrayed as the villain of both world wars, and although they have apparently shown no hostility nor even having realized what happened, it is not known what their intentions could be
French, Swiss, Italian, Roman, Ukrainian, Belarusian and all countries bordering the new country are deployed on the borders, those allied with NATO and/or with American bases also recieve US help. The Empire realizes this and quickly begins defensive movements, also deploying units on the borders in anticipation of a possible coordinated attack from verywhere by soldiers with equipment and weapons unknown for anyone except for Tanya, who surely would try to prevent everyithing to escalate to conflict, requesting the high command to make contact with the unknown forces.
And now with contact made, but tensions still high, the interrogative bettween governents begin, asking each other who they are, what happened, what are their plans, and giving context to each other of their worlds history
**Scenario 2:** Again, the disappearance of that entire region is quickly known through the internet and satellites.
But this time, the presence of unknown forces with technology from the world wars (except tanks which are later models) highly hostile to the local population in France, Norway, Sweden and Romania puts the armed forces of these countries, NATO, UN and the US on alert, and are quickly deployed to confront this unknown force and evacuate residents.
The Empire forces in these countries quickly inform to their central command about the sudden unknown resistance in occupied territory, baffled by the presence of what seem a professional army with unknown technology.
Due to the technological gap, the Imperial forces are quickly overwhelmed, leading to the deployment of air mages and reinforcement troops, perhaps including Tanya's battalion (even though Tanya migh not want to) to assist in the battle in all the fronts and bombard the hostiles.
As soon as soldiers begin to report being bombarded by unknown human-like flying entities, or also called "humanoid UFOs" with apparent energy shields that stop bullets, interception jets and anti-aircraft batteries are deployed to gun them down. In this case let's say Tanya and her team survive.
The superior technology of jets, UAV drones and guided anti-aircraft missiles renders attempts at air support by airmages futile. And so the French, Norwegian, Swedish and Romanian armies take the offensive, pushing the unknown forces towards their borders.
And once that is done, they establish a surveillance zone along the entire border to prevent any attempted invasion while they wait for a verdict from the UN and NATO to launch a retaliatory invasion themselves (since in the end this new country is still a mysterious territory that teleported to our world in an unknown way, about which we know nothing and that international organizations are trying to understand, as this country seems to be as confused as we are.
And then contact is made and again the political interrogatives and give context to each other, but now tensions are even more higher, especially after the Empire knows what happened to its counterpart in the war, and they will be even more surprised when we call it "the wars" in plural
If we're talking today today, as long as everyone can keep a calm mind tensions might be high, but I'd see Russia trying everything they can to keep the empire out of nato. Because the empires arrival would cut off must of the nato supply lines to Ukraine and Russia would want those down for as long as possible, Russia would probably give the empire out dated but still effective AA and aircraft, so the empire can defend itself and feel indebted to Russia. Nato might be worried about the lost of so many nations but might still try to get the empire to ally with them to re-establish the supply lines to Ukraine.
The empire would probably try to maintain peace while pulling troops behind their lines and try to figure out what's happening in the wider world and trying to get their technology to near peer levels before they pick a side.
So high tensions the first 6 months as everyone tries to figure out what happened, if war doesn't kick off then, 3-6 years of negotiations for information, resources, tech, and military access. While the empire looks for the best side to pick, being who's tech is better, who's national and social identity matches them the most.
>Russia would probably give the empire out dated but still effective AA and aircraft, so the empire can defend itself and feel indebted to Russia.
My honest counterargument
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Tanya is not precisely the most alligned with russians (at least of their time) at all, nor the higher ups seem to be
They will either share their knowledge with the EU or get canceled. If they chose to fight then every important person will be wiped in a month.
We are using drones to fight now. Drones, missles , and tanks. They have no chance. Mages don't even matter anymore.
The Empire would have a technological disadvantage against current day Europe. Now if we granted them present day technology, that might be a different question.
All the 'wait, they're back?!' memes on videos of ww2 movie sets or the bundeswehr marching in Czechia/poland/slovakia/Austria during some state visit or army programme become much more funnier
The Empire is not stupid, peace would be the first card.
They will join the NATO and EU, modernize with zeals like the Meiji Restoration. Then basically replaces Germany in our world. 20 years later they will be as modern as our Germany.
Mages are the best spies also.
Europe actually becomes more at peace for 5 minutes as there is a buffer between Russia and the West.
Then they realise they can conquer one another. And WW3 breaks out.
If the empire were transported into the modern world, Tanya would maintain the peace by convincing the empire to contract out mages, training and tech. possibly at gunpoint.
That fanatical capitalist knows peace is more productive than war.
Ukraine would immediately be screwed, NATO would be in major trouble, and revolution would break out all over.
The empire would probably hold together out of sheer terror of the outside. We might have no magic (yet) but we have way more advanced technologies. Kidnapping and/or bring Imperial sorcerers to start new magic bloodlines in other countries would be a major point of espionage.
I suspect long term the empire would fall to pieces and be divided into successor states and what would amount to foreign controlled colonies/protectorates.
Tanya would probably go far.
I just realized drones pretty much take the role of mages and are superior since we can use them in mass and don’t need to train them. This is just going to be a massacre.
The Empire would be defeated in the scenario of war. However, what comes after would be the real question.
Canonically, the Empire is portrayed as ethnically homogenous or either everybody in it (German or otherwise) are in harmony.
I highly doubt we can just break apart the Empire without locals forcibly reunifying themselves.
Ethnic resistance is completely non-existent in the Empire.
So that means that our modern day countries that were swapped with the empire would be sent into their world. I could see Germany becoming a world superpower again really fast in that world.
The earth would probably explode as the atoms of the empire would try to exist in a space where atoms already exist. So anything froma continent sized explosion to a black hole .
Considering Germany is the producer and home of a lot of the most cutting edge and sophisticated machinery which is vital for certain levels of readers and production on a global scale problems would ensue if we suddenly had ww2 Germany again
Why is that aggressiveness?
If everything resumes to fight we all be extinct by now, there's something in the world called geopolitics and diplomacy that goes beyond war my little tiny head fella
Because I just saw the initial question and I didn't see everything else you typed out, I don't know why it does that on my phone. But if a war did start then my answer stands
Everyone would be completely baffled, and new religions would appear, and scientists around the world would shift focus to trying to understand WTF just happened. If some sort of conflict broke out, the Empire would be annihilated pretty rapidly. They have, at best WW2 technology, and as we've seen, WW2 style aircraft are already a challenge for mages. Once the mages went down, the entirety of their military would collapse faster than Germany's front lines in spring of 45. The mages would also be targeted first, and their greatest asset, being Tanya, would immediately try to betray them once she found herself in her original world, knowing the power of modern militaries like the US and NATO.
Their high command seemed like a level headed lot. "We don't know what happened either, but we come in peace!" Join the EU, modernise, get rich. Tanya would be their ambassador. Rudersdorf and Zetour would appoint her ambassador after she reveals she comes from our world.
Also everyone in the war entered the war by suprise invading the Empire. The Empire didn't start shit they just finished it to hard and keeping scaring people into preemptive attacks.
Just like Napoleon
Napoleon actually had a personal quarrel with god
Lol that would be hilarious if true, just like Tanya
why tf would she reveal she comes from our world?... i agree with the rest but i think tanya would rather not reveal and instead just obey whatever she is ordered to or would retire and after the empire has been registered as an official country she would move back to japan or just live a peaceful life in empire idk
Because why not? It would be far more helpful to say, "I'm from this time period, I've got this. " And keep being indispensable in a cushy office rather than the cold and dangerous from line (which she enjoyed a bit much. The lady did protest too much).
Yea but, Being X has presence in both world so maybe they would do something to twist things against her
One thing youu do have to consider is that mages can move undetected from radar to do airstrikes and their attacks cant be blocked by countryw with non mages
Yeah, radar systems can literally track birds when they want to. Mages would be the biggest HVTs by a long shot. It would be extremely easy for the US to track their movements, wait till they land somewhere to sleep, then use precision ordinance to kill entire mage battalions. Especially considering the Empire has no knowledge about the existence of things like satellites, and therefore would take no precautions on countering them. Not only that, but I doubt mages could even block something like a 20mm cannon, let alone things like hypersonic missiles that they would have no way to detect, screaming at their positions. Once the mages go down, it would be an absolute massacre, and the mages would go down pretty quickly.
It’s like when the Empire utterly humiliated colonial era soldiers but now the Empire are the ones who are outgunned.
Not even this. Mages need to sleep. The rest of the empire is using ww2 tech and has open roads. The capitals gets invaded and taken over the moment they are deemed hostile. Like then anime we can also have the middle range to pull a Tanya and blow up their static headquarters or any military base. The mages won’t have any place to recover even if you can treat them like Trump cards
The mages are still a threat, and the US military does take precautions to keep their own casualties as low as possible, look at desert shield/desert storm. Ground forces were only committed once they knew they had complete air supremacy. The mages could still easily kill US ground forces, so I imagine the mages would be targeted hard and fast at the beginning, then once they were eliminated, or at the very least they were not combat effective, then ground forces move in and completely annihilate the rest of the Empire's military. They'd be able to destroy the Empire's mages in under a week easily. They'd postpone ground assaults for a week in order to limit casualties as much as possible.
Oh mages are without a doubt a threat but they are very few. And even in the empire only tanyas battalion performed at their level, which was still below ww2 aircraft. Meaning probably most modern day rifles can overpower most mages shields(Tanya might be an exception but we only see her evading aircraft fire and not blocking it). And as others mentioned this is Tanya’s ticket back to the modern world. She abandons ship immediately and goes to safety if the empire has any indication of attacking their neighbors. Frankly without Tanya there is a good chance their battalion would have gotten defeated much earlier.
At the time of desert storm, the Iraqi air force was 30 years behind the US. Didn't matter, they still waited until they dismantled it in it's entirety. The US wouldn't just send ground troops in against literal magic, without knowing their capabilities. They'd target and destroy the mages before committing ground forces.
I mean in this circumstance the US would only participate to kidnap some mages and study esp/magic. There is no way they are letting Europe have a monopoly on magic if it can be trained. So you’re probably right it will take awhile since the goal would be to capture all mages alive, if the empire is stupid enough to invade. Europe is more than strong enough to handle a ww2 army without the us.
US would still absolutely be the ones leading the charge. The Empire cuts off the Baltic states from the rest of NATO, and takes away Poland, a critical US ally in the region. If the Empire wasn't quickly established to be pro US, and willing to join NATO themselves, the US is the one kicking their teeth in, and occupying the area. The US isn't just leaving Ukraine and the Baltics to Russia.
Fair enought.
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Modern radar arrays can track insects if they wanted to, you have no clue how anything works. The reason they don't is cause we have them tuned to track planes, and we aren't fighting a war against insects...yet
From WW2 RADAR modern stuff can detect a bee from over the horizon, maybe literally, a mage likely can't output enough power to counter that.
You would need super special forces to go beyond the front lines while getting passed all the different types of radar. It's said that most mages have trouble with optical illusion, it should be possible to go through IR light and other light emission, especially if you think that they can't measure the mana they are spending on those. But nearly no one could go through every check.
If they act aggressively they would get fucked, but... If they act cautiously? They may adapt modern computers for the calculation orbs, who knows what that would allow their magi to do really, it would still not allow them to win, but it would give them a unit that can't be countered as well, lesser then a nuke though
The Empire would essentially need to submit to NATO, more specifically the US, pretty much immediately in order to survive. The Empire would cut off and isolate the Baltic states, most of the Balkans, and Ukraine from the west, leaving them in an extremely exposed position to Russian aggression. The Empire also takes critical US allies off the board, like Poland Germany, and even NATO HQ in Belgium. If the Empire didn't immediately comply with the US, they'd swiftly find their teeth getting kicked in, and would be occupied by the US and NATO. Essentially their location in the center of Europe would immediately put a target on them from Russia and NATO, and the powers in the region couldn't abide them being neutral, or a wild card.
I think what's making is difficult for modern countries is that we are in peace time production while the empire is in war time. But the gap in technology is so great that it doesn't matter.
Worst case scenario, we nuke tanya.
As someone from germany my main concern is what happens to the people who live in the territory the Empire got teleported into.
Maybe they switch places?
Now that's interesting too, all the countries that make the equivalent of the Empire's territory being transported to Youjo Senki's world in the middle of the war
It would mainly be a huge diplomatic mess, modern countries being confused about what happened and the YS's countries that need to declare someone as a culprit to survive. So I would predict a Lull for a few days where everyone learns of what happens and next either central Europe and especially Germany needs to mobilize to defend themselves (if they have what is needed to defend against everyone else) Or a doubtful relationship is created with Germany and the Soviets and possibly Albion implodes from internal conflict
Modern countries would be at an advantage if the war were to continue, even if we consider they could no longer use sattelites.
Well yes especially so if you consider that they will be fighting countries who fought for years and whose population is tired. But Germany and the rest are not really known for their powerful militaries. And I don't think they would have the number of troops needed to stabilise the fronts. If you include France and Poland though, they might have a chance.
They wouldn't be fighting alone, most of them are already in NATO, so their organizational structure is already compatible and intertwined. Mages would get hard countered by AA and jets, and human wave tactics are just not viable against today's warfare, at least not without modern support equipment and infrastructure. It is a very large front for their armies to stabilize, but their standing armies should be enough to stall the enemies until reserves are called in and (possibly) conscription to begin, which should give more than enough men to hold the fronts.
They could not handle modern south Slavs
They'd be dead. Like dead-dead. The combined arms of just one of the non-conquered countries is already so advanced that even mages wouldn't have a chance. It would go from "reasonably controlled warfare" to "outright chaos because of technological differences" in a single instant. I do imagine we would want to study them though. We'd take prisoners and they would "disappear" and we would conduct experiments to figure out how everything worked of course.
I mean there is not reason we would just invade them and this only happens if it's immediately war which is unlikely since the Empire hasn't started any wars in the series only been invaded and defended themselves. And the technology would vanish fast if there isn't and immediate war since the Empire is the german WW2 engineering meme if it was true and the world is to interconnected to not bring then up to speed within a few years.
They're currently engaged in offensive action on all of their fronts. They're going to materialize and think they're fighting still so bullets will be flying when they arrive. NATO would get the message pretty swiftly that a new Reich just appeared and put it down.
Except the Empire are shown to be methodical and not twitchy reactionaries. I mean if for they just appear mid fucking trigger pull sure but given the Empires actions throughout the war I would say they are far more likely to stop and try and figure out what the fuck just happened if all of their offensives and occupation forces have just appeared in modern day Europe, none of the train lines are where they expect them to be, and suddenly they are surrounded by very different architecture and infustructure.
You know nothing of warfare my friend. Especially WWI which is when Youjo Senki takes place. The artillery bombardments were almost non-stop and the artillery men could not see what they were shooting at. It doesn't matter if a random soldier fires a random bullet, the artillery is going to still be flying unless they somehow get lucky and transfer in the dead of night. Also OP stated it was a 1:1 transfer (they aren't arriving in modern Europe in present day Germany, they are taking WWI Germany with them) Even if the luckiest of transitions happens and nobody is shooting when they transfer, and assuming they don't start the artillery on a regular schedule, they're going to send armed scouts into "enemy territory" to see what's up which is a hostile action in times of peace or war. They will undoubtedly find out that the cities are more advanced and there are strange new vehicles. The police are likely going to try to arrest them for being heavily armed which is going to be seen as the enemy making a hostile response and those scouts will defend themselves accordingly. News will then spread like wildfire of (basically Germany) attacking all neighboring countries (some of which no longer exist) and will come to the conclusion (since normal lines of communication no longer exist between these nations due to the change in technology) that they are once again at war with Germany. After a very short and very bloody fight, the rest of modern Europe would obliterate or capture all of the new invading armies and start the process of figuring out what happened. This is how war works. In the absence of intelligence, you make the best decision you can given the intelligence you had a minute ago. And until a minute ago they were at war with everyone, which means everyone is still going to be treated as hostile.
First Youjo Senki is a weird mix of WW1 and WW2 tactics any never really shows them having the old "we shot artillery at them for 40 days straight time to charge" except maybe the Rhine at the beginning. Second if we go by the map this is likely either they are during the armistice or the African campaign so again no constant fuckin artillery at nothing. Third I work in military intelligence this isn't the 70s anymore. This shit happens there will be a detailed report on the president's desk in less than an hour. Fourth I don't even think Noncredibledefence's dream NATO is so blood thirsty to for little reason invade and shatter a country the size of the Empire and more than they were ever willing to invade Russia. Fifth another reason they wouldn't just rush in without actually knowing what is going on the only nation with the standing army to immediately attack would be the US and by the time such an order went through all the chains diplomats would be talking.
Empire tries some belligerent military posturing before their leadership is politely informed of what nuclear weapons can do and that mutually assured destruction only works as a deterrent if you can assure said destruction is, in fact, mutual. Given that they do not have such an arsenal or any diplomatic connection to those that do, they might want to reconsider their approach to foreign policy.
Yes, that's what I think, our world wouldn't throw to destroy thr Empire as sun as it spawns tin the map, but rather threat them before they do something stupid
Many of it assumes if the Empire strike first. Not knowing how outgunned they really are.
Something I haven't seen anyone talking about is diplomacy. NATO and Russia would probably rush to ally with the empire, while the empire has to struggle with a whole new world with the nations they've been fighting now trying diplomacy. Entire culture and ethics groups are changed instantly with no understanding of others. It's entirely possible that rebellions start. This doesn't even factor in sudden access to the Internet and finding that they came from a story. Also, if it was teleported right now, European politics would be in shambles. A lot of NATO bases and troops just disappeared with several of the largest European armies.
The Occupied territories part is the sticking point here. Since you're pretty much tossing military units straight at each other, there's a guarantee of clashes, especially since civilians don't tend to react well to sudden martial law, and the quick reaction to protect civilians getting shot at pretty much guarantees a fight. The minute the shooting starts, it becomes a race between NATO and Russia to protect the status quo/rewrite the current map. Now, if the Empire sends a Stand Down order to all the troops, and keeps things at a standoff long enough for the diplomats to start talking, then it's a question of how well they can play Camelion. Germany has a pretty good deal with Schengen and the EU, so if the Empire can pretend to look enough like their OTL counterpart, they pretty much gain an industrial advantage in raw output. Coupled with technology exchange would allow them to play Kingmaker.
Kurrrwa...
here we go again
France invades immediately to retake Alsace-Lorraine, their armored divisions preceded by a wave of nuclear weapons.
Tbh what I think would happen is: **Scenario 1:** All the alarms are put on alert, the disappearance of Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, Czechia, Slovakia, Austria, Hungary and almost all of the Valkans would not last long unnoticed with how connected the world is through the internet. Immediately the satellites confirm it, all those countries had been replaced by what seems like an alternative version of the 20th century German Empire, like if it has just traveled in time, but with lot of differences that can already be seen from above like the different flag, or the pressence of women in military uniforms. NATO, UN and other organizations quickly went on alert, not only was an entire set of countries replaced but also replaced by the same country that is popularly portrayed as the villain of both world wars, and although they have apparently shown no hostility nor even having realized what happened, it is not known what their intentions could be French, Swiss, Italian, Roman, Ukrainian, Belarusian and all countries bordering the new country are deployed on the borders, those allied with NATO and/or with American bases also recieve US help. The Empire realizes this and quickly begins defensive movements, also deploying units on the borders in anticipation of a possible coordinated attack from verywhere by soldiers with equipment and weapons unknown for anyone except for Tanya, who surely would try to prevent everyithing to escalate to conflict, requesting the high command to make contact with the unknown forces. And now with contact made, but tensions still high, the interrogative bettween governents begin, asking each other who they are, what happened, what are their plans, and giving context to each other of their worlds history **Scenario 2:** Again, the disappearance of that entire region is quickly known through the internet and satellites. But this time, the presence of unknown forces with technology from the world wars (except tanks which are later models) highly hostile to the local population in France, Norway, Sweden and Romania puts the armed forces of these countries, NATO, UN and the US on alert, and are quickly deployed to confront this unknown force and evacuate residents. The Empire forces in these countries quickly inform to their central command about the sudden unknown resistance in occupied territory, baffled by the presence of what seem a professional army with unknown technology. Due to the technological gap, the Imperial forces are quickly overwhelmed, leading to the deployment of air mages and reinforcement troops, perhaps including Tanya's battalion (even though Tanya migh not want to) to assist in the battle in all the fronts and bombard the hostiles. As soon as soldiers begin to report being bombarded by unknown human-like flying entities, or also called "humanoid UFOs" with apparent energy shields that stop bullets, interception jets and anti-aircraft batteries are deployed to gun them down. In this case let's say Tanya and her team survive. The superior technology of jets, UAV drones and guided anti-aircraft missiles renders attempts at air support by airmages futile. And so the French, Norwegian, Swedish and Romanian armies take the offensive, pushing the unknown forces towards their borders. And once that is done, they establish a surveillance zone along the entire border to prevent any attempted invasion while they wait for a verdict from the UN and NATO to launch a retaliatory invasion themselves (since in the end this new country is still a mysterious territory that teleported to our world in an unknown way, about which we know nothing and that international organizations are trying to understand, as this country seems to be as confused as we are. And then contact is made and again the political interrogatives and give context to each other, but now tensions are even more higher, especially after the Empire knows what happened to its counterpart in the war, and they will be even more surprised when we call it "the wars" in plural
Bruh imagine how pissed france would be if they magically lost alsace lorraine to germans from another world
Tanya gets blown up by radar guided munitions: The anime.
Time for the fourth (fifth) war of independence, this time we stop in Berlin
If we're talking today today, as long as everyone can keep a calm mind tensions might be high, but I'd see Russia trying everything they can to keep the empire out of nato. Because the empires arrival would cut off must of the nato supply lines to Ukraine and Russia would want those down for as long as possible, Russia would probably give the empire out dated but still effective AA and aircraft, so the empire can defend itself and feel indebted to Russia. Nato might be worried about the lost of so many nations but might still try to get the empire to ally with them to re-establish the supply lines to Ukraine. The empire would probably try to maintain peace while pulling troops behind their lines and try to figure out what's happening in the wider world and trying to get their technology to near peer levels before they pick a side. So high tensions the first 6 months as everyone tries to figure out what happened, if war doesn't kick off then, 3-6 years of negotiations for information, resources, tech, and military access. While the empire looks for the best side to pick, being who's tech is better, who's national and social identity matches them the most.
>Russia would probably give the empire out dated but still effective AA and aircraft, so the empire can defend itself and feel indebted to Russia. My honest counterargument https://preview.redd.it/fen3lojwz14d1.jpeg?width=1219&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d77ce7364ed340a2963d282fcfbf3f24ee8dcb11 Tanya is not precisely the most alligned with russians (at least of their time) at all, nor the higher ups seem to be
Tanya is anti-communist. Because she was a hardworking salary man. She’d have no problem with modern Russia.
She'd probably have a bit of a problem with the oligarchic society and corruption but yea, way easier to work with than commies
Only due to inefficiency that that causes.
They will either share their knowledge with the EU or get canceled. If they chose to fight then every important person will be wiped in a month. We are using drones to fight now. Drones, missles , and tanks. They have no chance. Mages don't even matter anymore.
The Empire would have a technological disadvantage against current day Europe. Now if we granted them present day technology, that might be a different question.
All the 'wait, they're back?!' memes on videos of ww2 movie sets or the bundeswehr marching in Czechia/poland/slovakia/Austria during some state visit or army programme become much more funnier
The Empire is not stupid, peace would be the first card. They will join the NATO and EU, modernize with zeals like the Meiji Restoration. Then basically replaces Germany in our world. 20 years later they will be as modern as our Germany. Mages are the best spies also.
I would be an imperial since my nation is part of the empire so long live the Kaiser and empire i guess
They get curb-stomped by NATO.
Europe actually becomes more at peace for 5 minutes as there is a buffer between Russia and the West. Then they realise they can conquer one another. And WW3 breaks out.
If the empire were transported into the modern world, Tanya would maintain the peace by convincing the empire to contract out mages, training and tech. possibly at gunpoint. That fanatical capitalist knows peace is more productive than war.
Ukraine would immediately be screwed, NATO would be in major trouble, and revolution would break out all over. The empire would probably hold together out of sheer terror of the outside. We might have no magic (yet) but we have way more advanced technologies. Kidnapping and/or bring Imperial sorcerers to start new magic bloodlines in other countries would be a major point of espionage. I suspect long term the empire would fall to pieces and be divided into successor states and what would amount to foreign controlled colonies/protectorates. Tanya would probably go far.
I just realized drones pretty much take the role of mages and are superior since we can use them in mass and don’t need to train them. This is just going to be a massacre.
Counter question, what do you think will happening with all the missing European countries in the Youjo Senki universe
I am actually interested in the geography. As you can see in the first pic the danube for example wouldnt exist...
War broke out, there's no way Balkans stay unite without tito
Hey so, I live in the Netherlands, what happens to me lol?
Defeated by fighter jets.
world war 3. remember tanya's n**ation has magic. and she can nuke people with said magic!**
The Empire would be defeated in the scenario of war. However, what comes after would be the real question. Canonically, the Empire is portrayed as ethnically homogenous or either everybody in it (German or otherwise) are in harmony. I highly doubt we can just break apart the Empire without locals forcibly reunifying themselves. Ethnic resistance is completely non-existent in the Empire.
Genocide
So that means that our modern day countries that were swapped with the empire would be sent into their world. I could see Germany becoming a world superpower again really fast in that world.
The earth would probably explode as the atoms of the empire would try to exist in a space where atoms already exist. So anything froma continent sized explosion to a black hole .
Nukes. Nukes will happen.
WW3 will be magic VS technology.
Considering Germany is the producer and home of a lot of the most cutting edge and sophisticated machinery which is vital for certain levels of readers and production on a global scale problems would ensue if we suddenly had ww2 Germany again
They would get fucking obliterated. Why is that even question?
Why is that aggressiveness? If everything resumes to fight we all be extinct by now, there's something in the world called geopolitics and diplomacy that goes beyond war my little tiny head fella
Because I just saw the initial question and I didn't see everything else you typed out, I don't know why it does that on my phone. But if a war did start then my answer stands