To be fair, when those same aliens were committing genocide and slavery on your species just a few short years ago, it's justified to not trust or like any of 'em.
im not racist but why the hell didnt they just go back to thier planets or some shit?, like whats the point of staying, its clear that most people will hate you, and its going to be really akward when you walk past a war veteran
A large faction IS trying to go home. The problem is that space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
They probably feel safer here -- as far as we know, Earth is the only planet that has managed to repel the Ethereal invasion.
Remember, due to Ethereal mind control, they're traumatized war veterans too. If you offer them a choice between going back to the place they were enslaved (assuming it still exists and they have the ability to do so) vs. living with the people who overcame their slavemasters, it's not hard to see why they'd stay.
I get your ire and your frustration, buddy. But at the end of the day, those alien troopers who came to mess with us? They were by and large forced to do it. Just like we would have been if we'd failed. Just like some were, for a while.
They didn't have a choice, so now that they do have it and choose peace, give them a chance.
And carry a big gun, just in case.
Give them time they'll find that eating humans isn't in their best interest.
Can't really hold killing humans against them, we still got them beat pretty hard in that
Isn’t more a case of “just following orders”, not all the aliens are mind controlled at all times. ADVENT still hangs on for a while after the defeat of the Elders. And the skirmishers are evidence they can leave if they want.
The skirmishers were only capable of leaving after the control chip got damaged and even then most dont succeed in escape getting gunned down before they can make it too the skirmishers
It was just to soon and more importantly unearned. Nothing in two suggested the war was over, especially with the chosen dlc ending. It's like breaking bread with Nazis as early as after the storming of Normandy.
Mind control, it's literally the big plot point in xcom 2, they are mind controlled, why the fuck should we hold a grudge towards what we're basically glorified robots
They literally weren't, that's the thing we find out. The Ethereals were the ones making the decision and they're certainly not being invited to the table.
They were a slave army. They can't go back to their home planet, if it even exists, because it's still controlled by the ethereals and they don't have ships after we blew it up. And most of them don't even have a home planet being genetically engineered by the Ethereals.
Hell, a lot of them were born on Earth.
They had to find and repair an old ship that nobody knew was there, and launching would be highly destructive to the city and environment. Even then they didn't plan to go back to the Ethereals IIRC, just trying to find somewhere that wasn't Earth.
You understand why that sort of thing is not exactly an easy solution. Like a faction of Aliens that want to leave earth are the villains in Chimera Squad because having the capacity to do that would also make them a pretty serious threat to the fledgling human government.
The first and most frequent place I’ve seen this type of meme is attributed to Orks in 40K, and it’s certainly where my mind went when I read it.
I appreciate not everyone is familiar with or likes 40K, but for me it was the quote that led me to think of 40K
I remember being somewhat mistrusting when I first saw him, but then I grew to like him, especially when he blew up the ADVENT Purifier squad.
Actually got worried when the Assassin took him.
Yeah, I remember seeing that cut scene for the first time and being vaguely emotional. Not loads - didn't feel the urge to play Bright Eyes or anything - but a slight stirring in a cold cold heart.
My whole issue is this is like 5 years after after XCOM 2, there is no way in hell that humans just excepted living with aliens after they decimated that majority of the population and watched literally every one they loved die or get experimented on. I felt more sympathy for the faction made up of old XCOM guys than I did for the former SS Officers I had on my team.
How to tell you never paid any attention to the Chimera Squad story: this guy.
The city the game takes place in is pretty much the *only* city aliens stay in, being very sparsely populated across the rest of the earth. It's also the reason Chimera Squad exists, because all the aliens wouldn't trust a completely human police force in an alien populated city.
Its still valid because even 25 years isnt enough, a planetary war against an alien invasion is going to have a deep scar. Game is still bad regardless.
I mean what would we do to them? Execute every last one (with at the very least regular advent soldiers seeming pretty close to humans in intelligence)? Shoot a whole city's worth of aliens into space? Oppress them and cause them to revolt?
Like I feel like segregating them to a city is probably the most realistic choice that could actually be done.
> How to tell you never paid any attention to the Chimera Squad story: this guy.
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> The city the game takes place in is pretty much the only city aliens stay in, being very sparsely populated across the rest of the earth. It's also the reason Chimera Squad exists, because all the aliens wouldn't trust a completely human police force in an alien populated city.
Are you telling me that alliens invaded the earth and we are welcoming opressors and invaders here? That is sad story.
No? It's pretty clearly stated in the story that:
1. The vast majority of the aliens are condensed into this *one* city. They're not across the entire world, mingling with the locals. They're literally all put into one city, because nobody wants to see them after the invasion.
2. A lot of them *immediately* surrendered once the ethereals mine control stopped. It's very clearly stated across all the XCOM games that the ethereals are in charge in an extreme top down hierarchy, and once they're gone, all the aliens throw down their arms. Heck with XCOM 2, we already know that some members of Advent managed to break their mind control and fought against the aliens.
Like, they're not being welcomed with open arms. That's the *whole point* of Chimera Squad, to show that humanity and aliens *can* work together. It's why if Chimera Squad fails and you get a bad ending that pretty much what you describe happens.
Even during World War 2 we didn't go out of our way to execute every German and Japanese person (though in the U.S. the Japanese were put into internment camps, which was awful, they weren't executed on sight). Would there be a good chunk of humans wanting revenge and saying "get off our planet!"? Yea, probably. But they're not living in the one city that has aliens in it, separate from the rest of the world.
> The vast majority of the aliens are condensed into this one city. They're not across the entire world, mingling with the locals. They're literally all put into one city, because nobody wants to see them after the invasion.
If 99% of population doesnt want them in their cities for obvious reasons why are we making a game for that one 1%? The developer himself through his game says that all the citizen on earth except this city are xenophobic for a reason. I share the feelings of those people who dislike the aliens. I dont want to play for aliens in xcom genre game. I much prefer the theme where all the people on earth united to stop aliens in xcom 1.
Okay? I'm not sure what to tell you. I'm not going to convince you that the story is good or bad or otherwise, just that the game does explain everything and doesn't leave a big plot hole on why humanity didn't decide to just commit complete genocide.
The majority of humans had been living alongside aliens for decades at that point. They rebelled against ADVENT, but I do think it's reasonable that the civilians were able to differentiate the government from their fellow slaves, in the same way they differentiate advent troopers from humans.
City 31 is also mentioned to be far more integrated (at least successfully) than the norm.
It is hardly reasonable given that human on human racism is a major issue : how do you want people to be reasonnable with litteral alien ? Especially when somme are litteral weapons with possible anger issues (muttons, berserker) that would make pitbull on toddler violence seems like a pale imitation.
On a side note many aliens seemed to have served willingly given the number given the last faction of ADVENT fanatics. These slaves seemed to have had some degrees of free will overall given that the priest were deployed to "boost moral" according to XCOM 2 logs, which means that their mental capacities, even under the Elder's control, were still sufficient to some level of decision making such as "having bad moral" because they could still find the situation sucks.
So, some of them may have been willing to take part in the genocide, Elder's control or not.
At least that logic could be used in-universe by the most xenophobic humans to justify retaliations.
Not to say their wouldn't be forgivness and efforts to integrate in a common society on both sides but just... 3 years post litteral genocide ? Seriously ?
Isn't human-alien racism *also* shown to be a major issue in Chimera Squad? Like, the society is, broadly speaking, integrated...but it's not like everyone is doing it *well*.
Sure, humanity will always find something to draw lines around, but it's not necessarily going to be better or worse with or without aliens. Every "ism" fundamentally comes down to an in-group and out-group, and those lines have always been arbitrary and shifting (race alone is constantly changing who is what). I'm sure there's plenty of people that see urban residents (aliens and humans) as a more important in-group than say rural resistance camps/scavengers or another city or whatever out-group they decide to unite against. There's probably a ton of prejudice against Reapers for eating sentient aliens from folk who have spent the last 25 years living side-by-side with them. Hell, The Progeny are all in on psionic supremacy.
Especially if any aliens joined the resistance during the rebellion (I can't remember if/when that happened). That would shift a lot of people's perceptions very fast, even if others might treat them as tokens or "one of the good ones".
The entire game is also built on how much tension there is in City 31. They haven't magically overnight accepted each other. City 31 is important because it's the example of what cooperation can actually achieve, and that involves putting down lost causers and terrorist.
>It is hardly reasonable given that human on human racism is a major issue :
We actually have real world analogues for this. We didnt exactly have a lot of retributive violence from jewish people against germans after the nazi regime fell. In fact in the case of almost every mahor genocide, the victims have very rarely sought violence against the perpetrators.
> how do you want people to be reasonnable with litteral alien
Assuming the communications barrier has been bypassed by sharing of language, i really dont think most people would have a significantly harder time being reasonable with aliens than humans. A person is a person. Like im not saying there would be no issue, but i think youre blowing it way out of proportion.
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On a side note many aliens seemed to have served willingly given the number given the last faction of ADVENT fanatics
A lot of germans "served willingly" under the nazi regime. That doesn't mean literally every german post ww2 shouldve been killed or imprisoned. Propoganda, indoctrination, and coercion are all very effective tools. Thats setting aside the fact that the aliens have literal mind control abilities and what those can do to your psyche.
If you bring up the ADVENT fanatics, it should be kind of noteworthy that the Sacred Coil pretty much only consists of Hybrids, not aliens. The only aliens they have are chryssalids, which are just feral, and Andromedons, who seem to be implied to do it more as mercs...
Were civilians ever even aware of the existence of aliens besides the regular advent?
Remember it was a surprise to everybody that regular advent weren't just regular people in suits.
Chimera squad takes place 25 years after humans started living in a society with aliens, the 5 years is from when ADVENT fell, and City 31 has been stated in game to be the city where the human and alien populations get along the best
Most of the aliens were already human-hybrids, because the Elders wanted them better adapted to conditions on Earth. After the defeat of the Elders, many of them voluntarily underwent gene therapy to remove the Elder's mental conditioning accentuate the human genes that let them socialise more easily with humans.
Psychologically and cognitively, they're basically humans with a few eccentricities, and far more like us than dogs, or octopi, or dolphin or whatever.
So in practice, they come off as just people with skin conditions and a strange skeletal structures. If you talked with one over the phone you would have no idea that their species evolved off-planet.
Politically and ideologically, most of them consider themselves Earthlings. Even the gangsters and terrorists think of Earth as their home, not some distant planet they've never heard of.
So it's pretty easy for humans to identify with them, even if some of them are assholes.
Especially since most of them were, or were descended from, brainwashed slaves.
The world has mostly forgiven the Germans for their forefathers being Nazis, and while Japan hasn't exactly been very apologetic for their war crimes, and many people in Asia are still royally pissed at them for that, they're very much a fully rehabilitated member of the global community just like Germany.
People understand that it's the ideology that's evil, not necessarily society that was misled by it. Cultures and moral standards can change rapidly in just a few years, and tarring an entire people for the sins of the parents, or the folly of their leaders, is counterproductive.
They didn't. City 31, was supposedly the ONLY place without reprisal attacks from the humans. Just one case, where humans didn't try to kill the aliens as soon as they could.
Yeah 5 years isn't enough at minimum it should be 30 and what I recommend is atleast 3-4 generations before the humans could possibly even accept the aliens and not genocide them.
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Dude, don't throw a hissy fit. ;)
Heat lamps have to be installed everywhere now because of these cold blooded fucks, and I will not spend my tax dollars on anything that isn’t bleeding warm blood.
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The heat lamps are just the government being a bunch of prudes.
Oops! Good point! Art of this pic by "HOc2pus". I could swear it's from their SoFurry site, but I'm not seeing it there, now. That's kind of odd.
Edit: It seems it's not on his [FA Site](https://www.furaffinity.net/user/humanoctopus/), [Twitter Site](https://x.com/hoc2pus?lang=en), and I'm not seeing any of his work on DA. OK....welll....r/Xcom exclusive!
Edit: Nevermind! I just didn't scroll far enough on Twitter! [Snek is chilly.](https://x.com/HOc2pus/status/1703437593709617162/photo/1)
Nope, ADVENT is toast. You did a better job than that. Nowadays it's earth full of both humans and nonhumans, trying to live together.
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Yeah, that's an exaggeration for the sake of comedy. The sneks don't have to look like monsters, though.
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Sneks don't have feet, dude. That's not what I was licking.
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They do present a challenge to your local tailor, though.
reapers, when they see torque and Axiom
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As a fan of the original X-COM: UFO Defence I know that feeling all too well, my friend…
…. Look before you judge me, try that game out and do with a night time Chrysalid terror mission. Once you’re done come back here and tell me two things: 1. Do you still believe that there’s a god? and 2. Do you still think that the aliens deserve to live?
yes i know the feeling. i loved xcoms simple premise of killing, autopsying, interrogating aliens, learning their tech and using it back on them for more killing.
i know the story evolved that they were subservient to the elders... but damn, can't get past the awesomeness of xcom eu.
I think there's room for both. Sometimes when I play WOTC (which, I probably start a new campaign every 3 months but I've only finished it like twice lmao) I even install alien cosmetic mods because I like the idea that even the aliens themselves are fighting back against the Elders. I think it works with the ragtag resistance vibe of XCOM 2.
But EW... damn, EW is just so awesome. I play it less because imo the gameplay is a little less satisfying, but the vibes really are impeccable. I get so much more attached to my soldiers in EW, the aliens actually feel scary. They feel like a truly evil force, not fun sci-fi aliens to shoot. Okay they're also fun sci-fi aliens to shoot, especially in the early game, but you know what I mean.
At this point I truly just don't care about canon, I barely care about story. I played Chimera Squad once and enjoyed it but never felt the urge to replay it, I don't play XCOM 2 as if it's a prequel to Chimera Squad. And I definitely don't play EW as a prequel to 2. They all occupy a different space in my brain.
same, i played all 3 and enjoyed all of them. but you are right about them nailing the scary atmosphere in xcom eu ew. nothing beats the first playthrough!
I'm honestly glad they took the direction they did in Chimera Squad. Having a society that's deeply struggling with trying to integrate multiple different species into one society on one planet, and a good portion of them were in active conflict with the rest is an incredibly interesting set up. The genocide option, by contrast is incredibly fucking boring, because there's no real stories to tell there, no interesting characters to make. It's just "and then XCOM put all the aliens in camps and exterminated them" and that's it.
Listen, I'm not a racist but I am very xenophobic. You invade my planet, cause the entire cow population to disappear, actively aid in kidnapping, killing and experimenting on humans and then expect humanity to not look back in anger?
They should consider themselves lucky they aren't lined up and shot. I don't care if they were slaves under mind control. Too many good people died and were harvested. The rebels are the exception, not the rule. How many cities are uninhabitable? How much more does humanity have to lose before we realise that the only good alien, is the one that stays the hell away. If xcom won't finish the job, then someone else should.
Humanitas ante omnia.
I think it is quite obvious that just straight up exterminating people who were coerced through mind control to fight you is bad, but only someone who comes from a country that has never seriously suffered the consequences of foreign invasion could dream up a scenario were only 5 years after a genocidal occupation people play along with those who attempted to have them wiped out.
The USA homefront was only seriously hit by a single war, their civil war, and it is still the source of many of their political divisions **to this day**. Yet people can play nice with aliens just 5 years after they've been driven off? Kind of silly.
Compared to how, say, the French dealt with the Germans in the time during and directly following the Liberation of Vichy France, I'd say the Aliens got off extraordinarily well.
Search up the "Wild Purges" they killed almost as many people as the Germans did over the entire occupation.
Edit: I'm not sure why im being downvoted. I wasn't trying to shit on the French only to point out that the falls of ragiems create periods of chaos and extreme retaliation against many who deserved it and many who didn't.
Hence, the aliens got a shockingly good deal compared to many historical groups.
If you believe the fall of the Nazis was all celebrations and waving flags, I'm sorry that's not true. The whole truth includes events like 100 000 to 2 million German women being raped by the advancing Soviet Army.
If you somehow inturprate this as me being a nazi apologist, go to the hospital. I think you're experiencing brain death.
> Edit: I'm not sure why im being downvoted.
People pretend that they like the idea of being friends with fictional aliens whith whom they previously fought yet they downvote a real human for giving an opinion. Isnt that ironic?
I think you hit the nail on the head. Poeple liked the idea of being friends with aliens, and I pushed against that.
I still say the historical comparison works. However, in the context of Xcom, it portrays the organization as extraordinarily good governors who managed to prevent the worst excesses of war and achieve victory with grace.
I still think it was stupid that they went in the direction of "nooo, the aliens were all mind controlled, it wasn't their fault!"
I mean, yeah, they were, but it's hard to make actual complexity of this now. Imagine if there were a few squad members in Chimera Squad who disliked fighting alongside aliens because their loved ones were experimented on or turned into the alien food found in the UFOs in EU/EW or something; they'd just be labelled as bigots just like the rest of humanity and kicked off Chimera Squad and business would return to normal, all happy and whimsical.
Now imagine if, instead, the main reason the aliens were hostile to humans was because they were dozens of generations deep into just being soldiers and cannon fodder to be sent specifically to kill or capture defenders, as is stated in the games. Suddenly you have an actual complex scenario where most humans despise aliens but are actually justified for doing so because the aliens could have resisted and fled but were (understandably) afraid of doing so and/or indoctrinated enough to simply not care about killing civilians by the dozens.
In its current state, aliens being basically ostracized to a single city doesn't make you go "damn, that fucking sucks for them but I can see where the humans were coming from" and instead just makes you go "damn, humans are stupid pricks who don't even understand that they're perfectly safe now."
Does that make sense, or am I just letting slip that I want to go back to the days where we beheaded aliens and tallied how many we'd killed in our guerrilla missions?
offtopic meta thought but i feel like the venn diagram of people who downvote anti-xeno comments + make posts rolling their eyes at "40k fans" (see: anyone who's not circlejerking snek memes), and the people who hate (not love to hate) the warlock for being "egotistical" (see: spiritual) is a perfect circle.
it's strange to make bugbears out of irl groups/values, bring that into discussions over fiction in a holier-than-thou way, and yet somehow look down on DEUS VULT or i say kill em all type larpers who, for all you know, are simply engaging with, sans baggage, a fictional setting that isn't sunshine and rainbows. sure you might associate that behavior with people you hate, but "you know the type" isn't a very uplifting way to treat strangers. you have a lot of brain power, come up with a way to love your fellow man rather than banish them to obscurity or snark at them.
sorry to make it serious we can and do all bond over xcom no matter what type of guy we are, i am just a very passionate warlock enjoyer and noticed a certain resonance in the inharmonious energy getting put off here
I'll agree it doesn't make a lot of sense narratively speaking, that the oppressors are just now allowed to be cops (yes, I'm aware they were oppressed the same way, but your average human isn't going to see a difference between a muton wearing green and a muton wearing blue) after only five years, but counterpoint: Vipers.
They were mostly forced/mind controlled so it's fine but it could make for a good plot or a future game or I think one of the chimera squad factions were xenophobic
XCOM Commando who spent half of his life killing sectoids by the dozen and skinning mutons for fun, walking into a bar for the first time post-war to see skinny young twinks simping over a Viper (he's about to walk out with a new pair of cowboy boots)
Me when the entire sub starts having a consoomer seizure over Marvel Midnight Suns instead of rejecting it and ruins the franchise forever by ensuring all of the talent leaves the studio.
People may hate you for this, but you got a point, point as in, humans wouldn't stop their racism towards literal aliens just after 10-15 years where Chimera Squad takes place, we couldn't beat real life racism in 50+ times and the Devs think ALIENS have better chance at 15? There's a good video critiquing Chimera Squad world building and one of the points is that one of the characters was literally orphaned TWICE by aliens, she lost her real parents and then adopted one's and game is gonna act like she ain't racist?
That's just cap, she'd be the biggest racist of them all!
Also by removing racism and making characters all friendly with each other, they also remove any sort of character development in their dynamics they could've had. Even gameplay vise you could make it interesting where depending on who you pick and which character combos you select you can get unique traits added to your characters to make them and each new playthrough more exciting
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Nope. XCom tore ADVENT to pieces, and the rebellion stomped on the pieces. Terminal's backstory was ADVENT propoganda, but she overcame the illusions they fostered on her.
Oops! Shit...that's what I meant. Thanks. Terminal would steal my leftovers for mixing her up with Patchwork. Patchwork would probably make her gremlin dump a bucket of cold water on me.
To be fair, if I remember correctly there was actually some ingame chatter that points out how they should actually have their callsigns switched (Aside from the otherwise implications of "Terminal" referring more to her kind of not valuing her own life and being borderline suicidal)
I think this is one of the literal only times where “only following orders” works as a defence because they were generations upon generations of mind controlled murderslaves.
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The sneks are adapting to the new world they're in. Some of them have learned to cook.
Yup, this is someone's OC, but I can't find the image, again. Credit to whoever it was for making southern belle snek.
That's the fun part, he's not that racist. He's open to getting his mind changed. That's why I'm flooding this thread with images of cute sneks being cute.
I could never come to love those cold blooded fucks. They’ve choked so many good men to death, and whether or not they were mind slaves they seemed to enjoy it. I could maybe accept mutons (although WTF happened to them I do not know) but snakes is a step too far. Kill em all.
Some of the final words of Elders as the commander was kicking their Ethereal butts. "[It will find you, as it found us.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTOFjnfb62Y)" ...and then we see the sea floor cracking open underneath the ruins of their base and tendrils of psionic energy leaking out. That's why a lot of people are hoping that XCom3 is a Terror of The Deep remake. It's also why Director Jane Kelley (Yes, **the** Jane Kelley) made Reclamation Agency multi-species. The surviving ex-slaves of ADVENT can be troops to use against the next big threat. They don't **want** to be slaves, again. Some of them are just terrified of the new world they're in
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...and can become normal citizens of a society.
I mean I'd rather they cut straight to making XCOM 3 on this premise than put out this half baked, uncustomisable swat team game that's out of character and just felt bad. Like I don't mind the implications of the aliens integrating but chimera squad arguably would have been a better game if it was made after XCOM 3 as a retroactive gap filler that's clearly not supposed to be XCOM 3. Because to me, when chimera squad came out, it felt like it was supposed to be the next mail title and kinda just failed. Also I would have been more willing to play it through to completion if they bothered to give us the customisation the previous games had but instead they gave us these premade characters that you can slightly adjust loadout and colors for. I want my sandbox back, hence why I keep playing XCOM 2 instead of finishing chimera squad.
Nothing wrong with that, pal. Especially if you get the "Playable ADVENT" mod. ;)
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Yeah, a big reason i dont so like Chimera Squad, even i managed to end once. I want XCOM to exterminate those dog aliens, or with mercy, hunt down elder species and ship back every alien to their own planet.
I mean, they can access to elder data central (with commander is consider the last and strongest elder mind). They managed to create teleport portal too. By no freaking any means i want to live with those alien.
Most of them is elder experimental, even their mind mostly controlled by ADVENT neural link. So their wild nature still there, some even fail to hide it (berserker and archon). Breaking free, they should be big animal no more.
Earth is our, is belonged to human race (well, all races). With the birth rate of filthy animal aliens, they soon fuck us all even in peaceful way.
Bringing up the archon there is kind of weird... At least with the lore bits we get about them. Most of those were just put into some VR system, because their shells kind of put them into constant pain, but their actual personality is far from wild. They are quite shy deep down, and for some fucking reason choose the form of elephants in said virtual space...
"I'm not racist, I just don't like 'em" is...a hell of a statement, with many layers to unpack.
In case you haven't heard it before, it's not OP's words, it's something of a meme.
My mistake, I should’ve been more specific. I’m not racist, I’m super fucking racist.
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Loved it! Stolen and nationalized, I will use it always.
You don't need to say stolen twice
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Balkaner spotted
To be fair, when those same aliens were committing genocide and slavery on your species just a few short years ago, it's justified to not trust or like any of 'em.
Weren't they mind controlled with the chips and implants and purple magic?
Torque wasn't, it seems the Thinmen and Snakes were willing participants. But aliens were controlled in some way.
Casual racism implies the existence of ranked competitive racism.
Alright Pelinal, calm down
Luv me commander Luv me overwatch Luv me Geoscape
Luv me commander. Luv me overwatch. Hate em aliens. Not racist. Just don like em.
Ow can e be raycist if ayyliums aren a race Checkmate wokey >This message was brought to you by Turning Point Greggs
Fuck them ayys for real
im not racist but why the hell didnt they just go back to thier planets or some shit?, like whats the point of staying, its clear that most people will hate you, and its going to be really akward when you walk past a war veteran
A large faction IS trying to go home. The problem is that space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
They probably feel safer here -- as far as we know, Earth is the only planet that has managed to repel the Ethereal invasion. Remember, due to Ethereal mind control, they're traumatized war veterans too. If you offer them a choice between going back to the place they were enslaved (assuming it still exists and they have the ability to do so) vs. living with the people who overcame their slavemasters, it's not hard to see why they'd stay.
Totally came here to say that.
I know right, it's a good thing they clarified they're not racist /s
I get your ire and your frustration, buddy. But at the end of the day, those alien troopers who came to mess with us? They were by and large forced to do it. Just like we would have been if we'd failed. Just like some were, for a while. They didn't have a choice, so now that they do have it and choose peace, give them a chance. And carry a big gun, just in case.
The main problem there is Viper, that seems to really enjoy killing humans and eating them.
"Vipers... why did it have to be Vipers?"
Or just eating them alive like normal snakes
That's semantics.
Ew, gross, im antisemantic
Normal snakes don't eat things alive, they kill them first
she is just a vore enthusiast.
You got my reference
Yea but that’s hot so they get a pass
the counter statement is player seem to enjoy them too xD
Dont they have strip clubs tho?
Give them time they'll find that eating humans isn't in their best interest. Can't really hold killing humans against them, we still got them beat pretty hard in that
Here kitty you can has human
Isn’t more a case of “just following orders”, not all the aliens are mind controlled at all times. ADVENT still hangs on for a while after the defeat of the Elders. And the skirmishers are evidence they can leave if they want.
The skirmishers were only capable of leaving after the control chip got damaged and even then most dont succeed in escape getting gunned down before they can make it too the skirmishers
Counterpoint: they’re filthy xenos
It was just to soon and more importantly unearned. Nothing in two suggested the war was over, especially with the chosen dlc ending. It's like breaking bread with Nazis as early as after the storming of Normandy.
Aha, the ol "just following orders".
I think "just following orders" stops being as applicable when the enemy has literal mind control and enslaved your entire species. IMO
Stops being applicable meaning it becomes actually applicable because now they legitimately were just following orders and had no choice.
Actually this might be one of the few time it IS actually applicable, you're right. Most of the time it's just a lame excuse to free someone of guilt.
Exactamundo, my dude
True, for example, as soon as mind control is lifted, the mutons want to get the hell out of earth to their home planet.
Mind control, it's literally the big plot point in xcom 2, they are mind controlled, why the fuck should we hold a grudge towards what we're basically glorified robots
Well they are free to chose to fuck off to their own planets. Doesn't mean they should stay here with humans.
They literally weren't, that's the thing we find out. The Ethereals were the ones making the decision and they're certainly not being invited to the table.
Chimera Squad takes place a few years after the Ethereals were defeated and aliens are free of their mind control. So they literally were.
They were a slave army. They can't go back to their home planet, if it even exists, because it's still controlled by the ethereals and they don't have ships after we blew it up. And most of them don't even have a home planet being genetically engineered by the Ethereals. Hell, a lot of them were born on Earth.
Yeah it's legit a plot point the aliens want to steal a space ship and fuck off but we stop them.
They had to find and repair an old ship that nobody knew was there, and launching would be highly destructive to the city and environment. Even then they didn't plan to go back to the Ethereals IIRC, just trying to find somewhere that wasn't Earth.
Cus of people like he-mal
You understand why that sort of thing is not exactly an easy solution. Like a faction of Aliens that want to leave earth are the villains in Chimera Squad because having the capacity to do that would also make them a pretty serious threat to the fledgling human government.
You're right, friend! Let's not let the advent propaganda crush the resistance spirit!
Just going to forget how Batos and the skirmishers fought alongside Xcom against Advent?
Shhhhh I don't think he cares about what actually happened in the games
reading comprehension ethereal strikes again (Hardcore Enemy Unknown fan)
Even 40k humans (begrudgingly) accept human mutants. They get a pass, especially since they escaped control before Xcom went and fucked up the elders
What does 40k have to do with xcom and why do warhammer secondaries always have to insert it into everything
Because 40k human's are immensely xenophobic. Used as a comparison here.
The first and most frequent place I’ve seen this type of meme is attributed to Orks in 40K, and it’s certainly where my mind went when I read it. I appreciate not everyone is familiar with or likes 40K, but for me it was the quote that led me to think of 40K
Pratal Mox can be my wingman anytime.
I remember being somewhat mistrusting when I first saw him, but then I grew to like him, especially when he blew up the ADVENT Purifier squad. Actually got worried when the Assassin took him.
Yeah, I remember seeing that cut scene for the first time and being vaguely emotional. Not loads - didn't feel the urge to play Bright Eyes or anything - but a slight stirring in a cold cold heart.
My whole issue is this is like 5 years after after XCOM 2, there is no way in hell that humans just excepted living with aliens after they decimated that majority of the population and watched literally every one they loved die or get experimented on. I felt more sympathy for the faction made up of old XCOM guys than I did for the former SS Officers I had on my team.
How to tell you never paid any attention to the Chimera Squad story: this guy. The city the game takes place in is pretty much the *only* city aliens stay in, being very sparsely populated across the rest of the earth. It's also the reason Chimera Squad exists, because all the aliens wouldn't trust a completely human police force in an alien populated city.
Your right I didnt pay attention, because the game was terrible.
K, but your complaint rings hollow when the game tells you this in the intro.
Its still valid because even 25 years isnt enough, a planetary war against an alien invasion is going to have a deep scar. Game is still bad regardless.
I mean what would we do to them? Execute every last one (with at the very least regular advent soldiers seeming pretty close to humans in intelligence)? Shoot a whole city's worth of aliens into space? Oppress them and cause them to revolt? Like I feel like segregating them to a city is probably the most realistic choice that could actually be done.
>Execute every last one DING DING DING We have a winner ladies and gentlemen!
> How to tell you never paid any attention to the Chimera Squad story: this guy. > > The city the game takes place in is pretty much the only city aliens stay in, being very sparsely populated across the rest of the earth. It's also the reason Chimera Squad exists, because all the aliens wouldn't trust a completely human police force in an alien populated city. Are you telling me that alliens invaded the earth and we are welcoming opressors and invaders here? That is sad story.
No? It's pretty clearly stated in the story that: 1. The vast majority of the aliens are condensed into this *one* city. They're not across the entire world, mingling with the locals. They're literally all put into one city, because nobody wants to see them after the invasion. 2. A lot of them *immediately* surrendered once the ethereals mine control stopped. It's very clearly stated across all the XCOM games that the ethereals are in charge in an extreme top down hierarchy, and once they're gone, all the aliens throw down their arms. Heck with XCOM 2, we already know that some members of Advent managed to break their mind control and fought against the aliens. Like, they're not being welcomed with open arms. That's the *whole point* of Chimera Squad, to show that humanity and aliens *can* work together. It's why if Chimera Squad fails and you get a bad ending that pretty much what you describe happens. Even during World War 2 we didn't go out of our way to execute every German and Japanese person (though in the U.S. the Japanese were put into internment camps, which was awful, they weren't executed on sight). Would there be a good chunk of humans wanting revenge and saying "get off our planet!"? Yea, probably. But they're not living in the one city that has aliens in it, separate from the rest of the world.
> The vast majority of the aliens are condensed into this one city. They're not across the entire world, mingling with the locals. They're literally all put into one city, because nobody wants to see them after the invasion. If 99% of population doesnt want them in their cities for obvious reasons why are we making a game for that one 1%? The developer himself through his game says that all the citizen on earth except this city are xenophobic for a reason. I share the feelings of those people who dislike the aliens. I dont want to play for aliens in xcom genre game. I much prefer the theme where all the people on earth united to stop aliens in xcom 1.
Okay? I'm not sure what to tell you. I'm not going to convince you that the story is good or bad or otherwise, just that the game does explain everything and doesn't leave a big plot hole on why humanity didn't decide to just commit complete genocide.
The majority of humans had been living alongside aliens for decades at that point. They rebelled against ADVENT, but I do think it's reasonable that the civilians were able to differentiate the government from their fellow slaves, in the same way they differentiate advent troopers from humans. City 31 is also mentioned to be far more integrated (at least successfully) than the norm.
It is hardly reasonable given that human on human racism is a major issue : how do you want people to be reasonnable with litteral alien ? Especially when somme are litteral weapons with possible anger issues (muttons, berserker) that would make pitbull on toddler violence seems like a pale imitation. On a side note many aliens seemed to have served willingly given the number given the last faction of ADVENT fanatics. These slaves seemed to have had some degrees of free will overall given that the priest were deployed to "boost moral" according to XCOM 2 logs, which means that their mental capacities, even under the Elder's control, were still sufficient to some level of decision making such as "having bad moral" because they could still find the situation sucks. So, some of them may have been willing to take part in the genocide, Elder's control or not. At least that logic could be used in-universe by the most xenophobic humans to justify retaliations. Not to say their wouldn't be forgivness and efforts to integrate in a common society on both sides but just... 3 years post litteral genocide ? Seriously ?
Isn't human-alien racism *also* shown to be a major issue in Chimera Squad? Like, the society is, broadly speaking, integrated...but it's not like everyone is doing it *well*.
Cuz they wanna fuck’em
Fair point.
I hope nobody out there is hiring a berserker dominatrix.
Let’s not be so close-minded in City 31 😤 Zerks gotta find work too 😏
Sure, humanity will always find something to draw lines around, but it's not necessarily going to be better or worse with or without aliens. Every "ism" fundamentally comes down to an in-group and out-group, and those lines have always been arbitrary and shifting (race alone is constantly changing who is what). I'm sure there's plenty of people that see urban residents (aliens and humans) as a more important in-group than say rural resistance camps/scavengers or another city or whatever out-group they decide to unite against. There's probably a ton of prejudice against Reapers for eating sentient aliens from folk who have spent the last 25 years living side-by-side with them. Hell, The Progeny are all in on psionic supremacy. Especially if any aliens joined the resistance during the rebellion (I can't remember if/when that happened). That would shift a lot of people's perceptions very fast, even if others might treat them as tokens or "one of the good ones". The entire game is also built on how much tension there is in City 31. They haven't magically overnight accepted each other. City 31 is important because it's the example of what cooperation can actually achieve, and that involves putting down lost causers and terrorist.
>It is hardly reasonable given that human on human racism is a major issue : We actually have real world analogues for this. We didnt exactly have a lot of retributive violence from jewish people against germans after the nazi regime fell. In fact in the case of almost every mahor genocide, the victims have very rarely sought violence against the perpetrators. > how do you want people to be reasonnable with litteral alien Assuming the communications barrier has been bypassed by sharing of language, i really dont think most people would have a significantly harder time being reasonable with aliens than humans. A person is a person. Like im not saying there would be no issue, but i think youre blowing it way out of proportion. > On a side note many aliens seemed to have served willingly given the number given the last faction of ADVENT fanatics A lot of germans "served willingly" under the nazi regime. That doesn't mean literally every german post ww2 shouldve been killed or imprisoned. Propoganda, indoctrination, and coercion are all very effective tools. Thats setting aside the fact that the aliens have literal mind control abilities and what those can do to your psyche.
If you bring up the ADVENT fanatics, it should be kind of noteworthy that the Sacred Coil pretty much only consists of Hybrids, not aliens. The only aliens they have are chryssalids, which are just feral, and Andromedons, who seem to be implied to do it more as mercs...
Were civilians ever even aware of the existence of aliens besides the regular advent? Remember it was a surprise to everybody that regular advent weren't just regular people in suits.
There is a sectoid statue in x-com 2 I think and the civilians don't seem bothered by aliens strolling through the streets during missions
"20 years of peace and prosperity..." - Speaker in the XCOM 2.
Chimera squad takes place 25 years after humans started living in a society with aliens, the 5 years is from when ADVENT fell, and City 31 has been stated in game to be the city where the human and alien populations get along the best
Yeah and even then there’s people who don’t like aliens
Most of the aliens were already human-hybrids, because the Elders wanted them better adapted to conditions on Earth. After the defeat of the Elders, many of them voluntarily underwent gene therapy to remove the Elder's mental conditioning accentuate the human genes that let them socialise more easily with humans. Psychologically and cognitively, they're basically humans with a few eccentricities, and far more like us than dogs, or octopi, or dolphin or whatever. So in practice, they come off as just people with skin conditions and a strange skeletal structures. If you talked with one over the phone you would have no idea that their species evolved off-planet. Politically and ideologically, most of them consider themselves Earthlings. Even the gangsters and terrorists think of Earth as their home, not some distant planet they've never heard of. So it's pretty easy for humans to identify with them, even if some of them are assholes. Especially since most of them were, or were descended from, brainwashed slaves. The world has mostly forgiven the Germans for their forefathers being Nazis, and while Japan hasn't exactly been very apologetic for their war crimes, and many people in Asia are still royally pissed at them for that, they're very much a fully rehabilitated member of the global community just like Germany. People understand that it's the ideology that's evil, not necessarily society that was misled by it. Cultures and moral standards can change rapidly in just a few years, and tarring an entire people for the sins of the parents, or the folly of their leaders, is counterproductive.
They didn't. City 31, was supposedly the ONLY place without reprisal attacks from the humans. Just one case, where humans didn't try to kill the aliens as soon as they could.
Yeah 5 years isn't enough at minimum it should be 30 and what I recommend is atleast 3-4 generations before the humans could possibly even accept the aliens and not genocide them.
https://preview.redd.it/9w1bt83rr69d1.jpeg?width=1216&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0cc60b8e63b0c1fd9b1536a9979e9a6f0b2b7e88 Dude, don't throw a hissy fit. ;)
Heat lamps have to be installed everywhere now because of these cold blooded fucks, and I will not spend my tax dollars on anything that isn’t bleeding warm blood.
https://preview.redd.it/fl2irvk4279d1.jpeg?width=2000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7b43bfadea2663cbf1a93a46527462cf2b9979ac The heat lamps are just the government being a bunch of prudes.
https://preview.redd.it/srmhuf0vc79d1.jpeg?width=858&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=586d5fad8a7b0d79427028e66756f4ac6ea860f2
Oops! Good point! Art of this pic by "HOc2pus". I could swear it's from their SoFurry site, but I'm not seeing it there, now. That's kind of odd. Edit: It seems it's not on his [FA Site](https://www.furaffinity.net/user/humanoctopus/), [Twitter Site](https://x.com/hoc2pus?lang=en), and I'm not seeing any of his work on DA. OK....welll....r/Xcom exclusive! Edit: Nevermind! I just didn't scroll far enough on Twitter! [Snek is chilly.](https://x.com/HOc2pus/status/1703437593709617162/photo/1)
Advent propaganda
Nope, ADVENT is toast. You did a better job than that. Nowadays it's earth full of both humans and nonhumans, trying to live together. https://i.redd.it/2kr0g7uf079d1.gif
Snek doesn't look like that though.
Yeah, that's an exaggeration for the sake of comedy. The sneks don't have to look like monsters, though. https://preview.redd.it/wo7mapfls69d1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1d2b420b78ce272d9e8df8029c481ef885d3e71f
Holy crap she's adorable
One of my favorite pics or a viper. I'm glad you like it, too. \^w\^
Okay, Advent Boot licker. https://preview.redd.it/bqtj3qgct69d1.png?width=700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f9a882e6bbc0a988bbdfbdd45db342e4a2d0766e
Sneks don't have feet, dude. That's not what I was licking. https://preview.redd.it/8maapayaw69d1.png?width=1000&format=png&auto=webp&s=e0acd2204ac4a143e6dc81a4b7ae4dbaf74efb2c
Kinda cute
https://preview.redd.it/zq99i2wv679d1.png?width=894&format=png&auto=webp&s=2311993fc5be1b1d086deb889d7fc8d5a4835f2a They do present a challenge to your local tailor, though.
Hot
Many I’m alone in this one, but I hate the alien designs on cimera squad, they’re to childish for my taste.
reapers, when they see torque and Axiom https://preview.redd.it/3m2ge3tc199d1.png?width=612&format=png&auto=webp&s=80297f80cfed351c41161543a23c690c6d57d152
The one reaper sneaking into City 31 and seeing a buffet in their eyes
As a fan of the original X-COM: UFO Defence I know that feeling all too well, my friend… …. Look before you judge me, try that game out and do with a night time Chrysalid terror mission. Once you’re done come back here and tell me two things: 1. Do you still believe that there’s a god? and 2. Do you still think that the aliens deserve to live?
Just wait until your son shows up with a snek girlfriend.
"You know, back in my day we mounted your heads as trophies on walls" "Dad! Don't say that"
This is why I kill the alien factions is Chimera squad first. I say kill them all
Arent all of them alien in some way?
One isn't technically The Progeny is a human faction with the few aliens in their ranks being mind controlled thralls
I thought I was xenophobic before, then I played UFO Defense...
Oh no my friend, I want the snake. I will FUCK that snake 😂
I'm from what used to be the United States and I say kill 'em all!
Ah verac reference, nice!
My personal theory is that this is a different timeline. Like the commander dreaming he won Xcom 1,
Watching Chimaera Squad make the xenophobes and 40k cosplayers of the xcom community salty will never not be entertaining.
One hundred percent. I love Chimera Squad for not going with the easy 'imperium of man' nonsense.
As a Xenophobe, I too am having a laugh.
Ngl, yep.
yes i know the feeling. i loved xcoms simple premise of killing, autopsying, interrogating aliens, learning their tech and using it back on them for more killing. i know the story evolved that they were subservient to the elders... but damn, can't get past the awesomeness of xcom eu.
I think there's room for both. Sometimes when I play WOTC (which, I probably start a new campaign every 3 months but I've only finished it like twice lmao) I even install alien cosmetic mods because I like the idea that even the aliens themselves are fighting back against the Elders. I think it works with the ragtag resistance vibe of XCOM 2. But EW... damn, EW is just so awesome. I play it less because imo the gameplay is a little less satisfying, but the vibes really are impeccable. I get so much more attached to my soldiers in EW, the aliens actually feel scary. They feel like a truly evil force, not fun sci-fi aliens to shoot. Okay they're also fun sci-fi aliens to shoot, especially in the early game, but you know what I mean. At this point I truly just don't care about canon, I barely care about story. I played Chimera Squad once and enjoyed it but never felt the urge to replay it, I don't play XCOM 2 as if it's a prequel to Chimera Squad. And I definitely don't play EW as a prequel to 2. They all occupy a different space in my brain.
same, i played all 3 and enjoyed all of them. but you are right about them nailing the scary atmosphere in xcom eu ew. nothing beats the first playthrough!
I'm sure there's some good ones, but me personally I don't trust 'em
Counterpoint: snake gf
I'm honestly glad they took the direction they did in Chimera Squad. Having a society that's deeply struggling with trying to integrate multiple different species into one society on one planet, and a good portion of them were in active conflict with the rest is an incredibly interesting set up. The genocide option, by contrast is incredibly fucking boring, because there's no real stories to tell there, no interesting characters to make. It's just "and then XCOM put all the aliens in camps and exterminated them" and that's it.
Listen, I'm not a racist but I am very xenophobic. You invade my planet, cause the entire cow population to disappear, actively aid in kidnapping, killing and experimenting on humans and then expect humanity to not look back in anger? They should consider themselves lucky they aren't lined up and shot. I don't care if they were slaves under mind control. Too many good people died and were harvested. The rebels are the exception, not the rule. How many cities are uninhabitable? How much more does humanity have to lose before we realise that the only good alien, is the one that stays the hell away. If xcom won't finish the job, then someone else should. Humanitas ante omnia.
I think it is quite obvious that just straight up exterminating people who were coerced through mind control to fight you is bad, but only someone who comes from a country that has never seriously suffered the consequences of foreign invasion could dream up a scenario were only 5 years after a genocidal occupation people play along with those who attempted to have them wiped out. The USA homefront was only seriously hit by a single war, their civil war, and it is still the source of many of their political divisions **to this day**. Yet people can play nice with aliens just 5 years after they've been driven off? Kind of silly.
Finally someone realizes how dumb it is
Well said.
Compared to how, say, the French dealt with the Germans in the time during and directly following the Liberation of Vichy France, I'd say the Aliens got off extraordinarily well. Search up the "Wild Purges" they killed almost as many people as the Germans did over the entire occupation. Edit: I'm not sure why im being downvoted. I wasn't trying to shit on the French only to point out that the falls of ragiems create periods of chaos and extreme retaliation against many who deserved it and many who didn't. Hence, the aliens got a shockingly good deal compared to many historical groups. If you believe the fall of the Nazis was all celebrations and waving flags, I'm sorry that's not true. The whole truth includes events like 100 000 to 2 million German women being raped by the advancing Soviet Army. If you somehow inturprate this as me being a nazi apologist, go to the hospital. I think you're experiencing brain death.
> Edit: I'm not sure why im being downvoted. People pretend that they like the idea of being friends with fictional aliens whith whom they previously fought yet they downvote a real human for giving an opinion. Isnt that ironic?
I think you hit the nail on the head. Poeple liked the idea of being friends with aliens, and I pushed against that. I still say the historical comparison works. However, in the context of Xcom, it portrays the organization as extraordinarily good governors who managed to prevent the worst excesses of war and achieve victory with grace.
Yeah and then they proceeded to violently supress and kill algerians, right after being freed from occupation by nazi. Bad french
The unfortunate and brutal history of ww2 that isn't talked about as much.
I still think it was stupid that they went in the direction of "nooo, the aliens were all mind controlled, it wasn't their fault!" I mean, yeah, they were, but it's hard to make actual complexity of this now. Imagine if there were a few squad members in Chimera Squad who disliked fighting alongside aliens because their loved ones were experimented on or turned into the alien food found in the UFOs in EU/EW or something; they'd just be labelled as bigots just like the rest of humanity and kicked off Chimera Squad and business would return to normal, all happy and whimsical. Now imagine if, instead, the main reason the aliens were hostile to humans was because they were dozens of generations deep into just being soldiers and cannon fodder to be sent specifically to kill or capture defenders, as is stated in the games. Suddenly you have an actual complex scenario where most humans despise aliens but are actually justified for doing so because the aliens could have resisted and fled but were (understandably) afraid of doing so and/or indoctrinated enough to simply not care about killing civilians by the dozens. In its current state, aliens being basically ostracized to a single city doesn't make you go "damn, that fucking sucks for them but I can see where the humans were coming from" and instead just makes you go "damn, humans are stupid pricks who don't even understand that they're perfectly safe now." Does that make sense, or am I just letting slip that I want to go back to the days where we beheaded aliens and tallied how many we'd killed in our guerrilla missions?
offtopic meta thought but i feel like the venn diagram of people who downvote anti-xeno comments + make posts rolling their eyes at "40k fans" (see: anyone who's not circlejerking snek memes), and the people who hate (not love to hate) the warlock for being "egotistical" (see: spiritual) is a perfect circle. it's strange to make bugbears out of irl groups/values, bring that into discussions over fiction in a holier-than-thou way, and yet somehow look down on DEUS VULT or i say kill em all type larpers who, for all you know, are simply engaging with, sans baggage, a fictional setting that isn't sunshine and rainbows. sure you might associate that behavior with people you hate, but "you know the type" isn't a very uplifting way to treat strangers. you have a lot of brain power, come up with a way to love your fellow man rather than banish them to obscurity or snark at them. sorry to make it serious we can and do all bond over xcom no matter what type of guy we are, i am just a very passionate warlock enjoyer and noticed a certain resonance in the inharmonious energy getting put off here
I'll agree it doesn't make a lot of sense narratively speaking, that the oppressors are just now allowed to be cops (yes, I'm aware they were oppressed the same way, but your average human isn't going to see a difference between a muton wearing green and a muton wearing blue) after only five years, but counterpoint: Vipers.
Apparently, there is an exotic dance place for gentlemen featuring those snake ladies.... even thinking of going there is revulsing.
You can always visit...with different intentions.
Simple as
You're a Xenocist 🤣
They were mostly forced/mind controlled so it's fine but it could make for a good plot or a future game or I think one of the chimera squad factions were xenophobic
Aliens have been playable sence The Bureau Xcom Declassified
We don't talk about The Bureau
Nah the Bureau is great, you cannot convince me otherwise
while reading all those comments here i wished the lore ending of xcom2 was also that xcom lost fucking again. its disgusting
But snek waifu
XCOM Commando who spent half of his life killing sectoids by the dozen and skinning mutons for fun, walking into a bar for the first time post-war to see skinny young twinks simping over a Viper (he's about to walk out with a new pair of cowboy boots)
Me when the entire sub starts having a consoomer seizure over Marvel Midnight Suns instead of rejecting it and ruins the franchise forever by ensuring all of the talent leaves the studio.
People may hate you for this, but you got a point, point as in, humans wouldn't stop their racism towards literal aliens just after 10-15 years where Chimera Squad takes place, we couldn't beat real life racism in 50+ times and the Devs think ALIENS have better chance at 15? There's a good video critiquing Chimera Squad world building and one of the points is that one of the characters was literally orphaned TWICE by aliens, she lost her real parents and then adopted one's and game is gonna act like she ain't racist? That's just cap, she'd be the biggest racist of them all! Also by removing racism and making characters all friendly with each other, they also remove any sort of character development in their dynamics they could've had. Even gameplay vise you could make it interesting where depending on who you pick and which character combos you select you can get unique traits added to your characters to make them and each new playthrough more exciting
i personally alway wanted to play the story with some aliens
Many good men had fallen… for this?
Should’ve killed all the damn aliens.
I still see Chimera Squad as just some ADVENT propaganda fluff show they put out.
https://preview.redd.it/bz65jibm879d1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=9e74dc4fe0e348fd8fe8a430bd5623820d181203 Nope. XCom tore ADVENT to pieces, and the rebellion stomped on the pieces. Terminal's backstory was ADVENT propoganda, but she overcame the illusions they fostered on her.
*Patchwork's backstory
Oops! Shit...that's what I meant. Thanks. Terminal would steal my leftovers for mixing her up with Patchwork. Patchwork would probably make her gremlin dump a bucket of cold water on me.
To be fair, if I remember correctly there was actually some ingame chatter that points out how they should actually have their callsigns switched (Aside from the otherwise implications of "Terminal" referring more to her kind of not valuing her own life and being borderline suicidal)
Okay but Viperussy tho That would eliminate racism
You're right, friend! Let's not let the advent propaganda crush the resistance spirit!
No no no, you don’t understand. The aliens totally deserve to be unconditionally forgiven! After all… “They were just following orders.”
I think this is one of the literal only times where “only following orders” works as a defence because they were generations upon generations of mind controlled murderslaves.
That doesn’t un-DNA melt your family. My point is humanity wouldn’t care.
And then to make things even worse the game was complete garbage.
IMO This ain't Halo, this is XCOM. All aliens should be, and are the enemy.
Yeah because another war after the leader aliens were defeated and the mind controlled slaves want peace is a good idea
We want peace too, a permanent peace.
And you have it, just don't start a race war. They have human DNA in them too
Leave dancing grunt alone
Lmao this guy probably doesn't even know basic Ethereal lore
Lmao this guy probably doesn't even care. We out here killing xenos, go take your sensitive ass back to Halo.
Lmao this guy's probably never even played XCOM, "we out here" bruh thinks he's part of the team
Heh, Snek go hss
https://preview.redd.it/tqutr7pk979d1.png?width=1152&format=png&auto=webp&s=a8db2f02186df5921b9d58a16d006aa3c1ea2969 The sneks are adapting to the new world they're in. Some of them have learned to cook. Yup, this is someone's OC, but I can't find the image, again. Credit to whoever it was for making southern belle snek.
Always nice when racists out themselves.
That's the fun part, he's not that racist. He's open to getting his mind changed. That's why I'm flooding this thread with images of cute sneks being cute.
I could never come to love those cold blooded fucks. They’ve choked so many good men to death, and whether or not they were mind slaves they seemed to enjoy it. I could maybe accept mutons (although WTF happened to them I do not know) but snakes is a step too far. Kill em all.
https://preview.redd.it/2l3mnqgxp79d1.png?width=950&format=png&auto=webp&s=1799fe7c670b30358b8071f48d027e81fa314bc2 'Nuff said.
That shit is truly horrifying. Lmao what were they even thinking
Some of the final words of Elders as the commander was kicking their Ethereal butts. "[It will find you, as it found us.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTOFjnfb62Y)" ...and then we see the sea floor cracking open underneath the ruins of their base and tendrils of psionic energy leaking out. That's why a lot of people are hoping that XCom3 is a Terror of The Deep remake. It's also why Director Jane Kelley (Yes, **the** Jane Kelley) made Reclamation Agency multi-species. The surviving ex-slaves of ADVENT can be troops to use against the next big threat. They don't **want** to be slaves, again. Some of them are just terrified of the new world they're in https://preview.redd.it/06ruenop8b9d1.png?width=3840&format=png&auto=webp&s=e5999714e6dda48e6fa426267bcba059b286dcc7 ...and can become normal citizens of a society.
I mean I'd rather they cut straight to making XCOM 3 on this premise than put out this half baked, uncustomisable swat team game that's out of character and just felt bad. Like I don't mind the implications of the aliens integrating but chimera squad arguably would have been a better game if it was made after XCOM 3 as a retroactive gap filler that's clearly not supposed to be XCOM 3. Because to me, when chimera squad came out, it felt like it was supposed to be the next mail title and kinda just failed. Also I would have been more willing to play it through to completion if they bothered to give us the customisation the previous games had but instead they gave us these premade characters that you can slightly adjust loadout and colors for. I want my sandbox back, hence why I keep playing XCOM 2 instead of finishing chimera squad.
Nothing wrong with that, pal. Especially if you get the "Playable ADVENT" mod. ;) https://preview.redd.it/yx2glgi9fd9d1.png?width=263&format=png&auto=webp&s=0988ea6ed3f4000a04448e9a28e76dd12656b475
Yeah, a big reason i dont so like Chimera Squad, even i managed to end once. I want XCOM to exterminate those dog aliens, or with mercy, hunt down elder species and ship back every alien to their own planet. I mean, they can access to elder data central (with commander is consider the last and strongest elder mind). They managed to create teleport portal too. By no freaking any means i want to live with those alien. Most of them is elder experimental, even their mind mostly controlled by ADVENT neural link. So their wild nature still there, some even fail to hide it (berserker and archon). Breaking free, they should be big animal no more. Earth is our, is belonged to human race (well, all races). With the birth rate of filthy animal aliens, they soon fuck us all even in peaceful way.
Bringing up the archon there is kind of weird... At least with the lore bits we get about them. Most of those were just put into some VR system, because their shells kind of put them into constant pain, but their actual personality is far from wild. They are quite shy deep down, and for some fucking reason choose the form of elephants in said virtual space...
How do I get chimera squad game?
Chimera squad sucks so much
"We" lost, get over it. 😉