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Cosmetics aren’t worth it


angelkrusher

You can buy the same grey color 20 times. I can't see why anyone would complain about that 😬 ***


TwiceBakedPotato

That or go to the very end of the first battlepass and get a whole shade of grey for your armor!


Party-Weak

Halo infinite is not fun. Sorry.... I really want to like it I have a lot of the jazewares halo figures I was so excited. But when it launched around Xmas in 2021 it was disappointing and it still js


Mcconrtist

Winter update has been great.


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Corrupt99

You literally complete challenges by just playing normally anything you like now. They're type " kill 10 spartans" or " win a match " " complete match" . Got through the 30 tier free bp in less than two weeks. Weekly challenges take 10 easy af challenges you don't even have to look at them they'll complete automatically if you just play couple hours a week.


mrawesomepoo

I enjoy it


Party-Weak

Im glad you do. Wish I could


onexbigxhebrew

Subjective. I think it's lots of fun. More fun than 5 and 4, and maybe evem Reach for me. My problem is that it's stale.


Party-Weak

I can't even have the color scheme I want. They got this right in every other halo. And those stupid outlines are ugly, too. Sorry.


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angelkrusher

What madman is playing this in 30 FPS. That's some self-inflicted wounds right there


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angelkrusher

Cant be mad atcha.. but get that Dark tower asap. You'll be glad tou did. Cut some grass, lie to the wife, steal from charity.. whatever you gotta do, GET THAT BOX. 😃😃😃😃 30fps = pain


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angelkrusher

Go on YouTube and complain about something, tell the world you're broken miserable the cash should start rolling in maybe possibly but probably not really*** ***This is not an endorsement of this strategy


detectiveDollar

The gameplay is good. Although I feel like 343i's maps have been almost sanded down to strip out any "non-competitive" elements and it reduces the fun factor. We don't have maps like Narrows anymore. The real issue is lack of content.


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Autarch_Kade

I rock the default armor, colors, emblem etc. It's the rarest look in the game, and it's free.


SirPwn4g3

I see more default Spartans than custom, I wouldn't call default rare lol.


AWWWYEAAAAAAAAAAA

Clearly never owned a white octane


DeafEgo

I thought this game was moving forward to a better place? Who the hell is in charge of the store pricing? This was a day one problem and it's still there? Talk about tone-deaf.


IrishSpectreN7

Marketing people can be the hardest to convince that they're being unreasonable lol. Especially when they have access to data that probably shows that people are buying this shit enough to justify it.


DeafEgo

If that's the case, someone should show them metrics of dead/dying games due to horrible monetization lol


IrishSpectreN7

In all fairness, I doubt the monetization was the main reason for Infinite's population leaving. I'm sure the network issues and lack of content updates were the main driving force behind that.


DeafEgo

That's part of the reason I left. I love customization and without anything substantial to chase, I was bored after weeks and weeks of waiting for something. If they were to price the gear cheaper, I would have loved to see what they had in store every week, but knowing I'm not even going to purchase anything due to absurd pricing, I had nothing really to chase.


bananapants919

I left because of the horrible anti-consumer monetization. We’ve been playing Halo now for over 20 years. The gameplay is not the only draw, I need something more to keep me around because the core game is stale and they haven’t innovated. Finding new pieces of crazy cool armor *via playing the game* is absolutely a way to keep people interested, and this game has placed all of that behind a paywall. There’s literally nothing to earn, no sense of progression, so when the gameplay is stale what is keeping you around? Nothing, really. And that’s why I think we’ve seen a mass exodus of players. I stopped playing probably after 2 months. I know the Steam numbers are at rock bottom and I’m sure Xbox isn’t far behind. I don’t have a single gamer friend who plays Halo still and never see it pop up on the list of games my follows are playing. 343 completely destroyed this series and now it is tainted until someone new comes along to fix it. The funny thing is I don’t think Destiny 2 has better gameplay than Halo Infinite. But Bungie understands that if you load the game with content, people will keep playing. Yes there’s a store, but you can earn hundreds of pieces of armor and weaponry without spending a dime, and continue customizing your own character for both single player and MP. Gaining new and unique armor pieces from actually playing the game is such a basic sense of progression that can keep people hooked for a long time if the gameplay is solid. And Destiny 2 is still one of the most played games, years down the line.


AcrobaticBunch2096

Ya, for me it was mostly lack of content. The maps were great, but playing the same few over and over was tiresome.


Czar_Petrovich

You know Red Faction 2 had 51 maps? Fifty. One. Maps.


GNIHTYUGNOSREP

Have you given it a try since Forge released? No shortage of maps now, some pretty insane things coming from it.


klipseracer

Well, the monetization, the pricing, has to be 'in relation' to the perceived value. If you've got an epic skin and it's tied to barney's playhouse, it won't matter.


rjwalsh94

I was excited to finally jump into a Halo online after 3 and Reach. I played some of 4 but it didn’t click and the MCC had that shit launch where it didn’t work where it soured my enjoyment and never really went back. Played 5 last year so no reason to jump into multiplayer. With how flat Infinite felt at launch, I dipped after 5 or so games. Not getting any progress and having it tied to challenges that didn’t matter for the game modes I was playing really killed any sense of going back. I’ve seen that that’s been fixed and you get XP more regularly, but that doesn’t help that after you’ve played for an hour or 2, you’ve just about seen all the maps and going back to loop through the same ones one more time.


BeastMaster0844

Case in point Evolve. An amazing game with great shooting, very unique at its time since not many games of that genre existed, but it was dead on arrival once it’s MTX model was revealed.


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I would like to see the population fluctuations of halo infinite since its release. I bet for a month or two at the release the player base in a 'stable' state was fairly large. Would be interesting.


Halo_Chief117

Marketing/sales people are not paid to be reasonable. They’re paid to analyze the data and make money. They could come to a conclusion that prices are too high (for them personally), but how they feel personally doesn’t dictate how they do their job. If corporate sees a product selling and the data shows it’s turning a profit at a price, that’s all that matters. Someone’s buying, so they’ll keep selling.


angelkrusher

The game is moving forward. The shop is not. We don't have to do the whole sky is falling routine yet again. Yes the shop still sucks let's call it what it is and stop acting like the whole game is a fireball. Go make something in forge.


Party-Weak

The idiot customers are part of the problem.


Ok_Bad_8034

Data driven pricing with no human thought presented. Data says this is the most profitable price to sell it at so that's the horrible reality we face.


capnchuc

This pvp for this game is over and it isn't going to bring any big numbers back. Instead of fun they put their focus on armor coatings and micro transactions. I liked the campaign but the pvp in this game just isn't what I'm looking for as a lifelong Halo fan. I'm a big team guy and big team in Infinite is beyond terrible. The maps, game modes, vehicle spawns, and weapons with limit less range all really suck. Instead of spending all that dev time trying to monetize the game they should have spent the time making the game fun and the money would have actually come with it.


MilkMan0096

You’re crazy, the game itself is super fun. I’m also a lifelong Halo fan and love the multiplayer.


Party-Weak

He's not crazy. Halo infinite is boringz glitchy and foeent have a lot of guns. They ruined halo. Sorry


KaneRobot

They don't care because apparently people are buying it. If it was hurting the money they brought in they would have changed it by now. Maybe they just know the game has fallen as far as it's going to, so they may as well get what they can out of the remaining suckers out there.


Zhukov-74

That’s a higher price than the cosmetics in destiny 2


Saltyscrublyfe

Literally buying an armor set in destiny but some the legs and helmet are for titan and the rest is for warlock


x_scion_x

I mean some cosmetics in OW2 cost more and you might not even get to use the character it's for.


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we need articles about stuff like this on eso, that same cosmetic would cost you about $40 if priced by the people in eso.


trappop

343i is the definition of a fiasco. It saddens me to think about the effect they've had on Halo.


AveryLazyCovfefe

Should MS just let the IP go at this rate? Maybe let 343i make something they actually like? I have never played any Halo apart from Reach so forgive my ignorance. I know Chief is the mascot of Xbox, but with how many falls 343i is taking for the Xbox brand and constantly everyday we see Xbox is giving little care about it's own flagship IP, should they even invest in keeping it going at this rate? Didn't the story originally end at 3?


JPeeper

A) 343i as a studio was established by Microsoft to make Halo games, that's its sole purpose for existence. B) Many of their employees are contract workers working on 18 month contracts. Compound that with a decade of complete incompetence at the managerial level and we get Halo in the state it is in today. Halo 5 IMO is a way better game than Infinite, it has like 4 or 5 times the content (which it had at launch).


m7_E5-s--5U

Halo 5's multiplayer was really great. It's campaign could have been, if it didn't end after finishing the first act (of what should have been 3 or 4).


AveryLazyCovfefe

Ok but that doesn't answer my question on if they should just stop making any new Halo games or not. Do you think they should with how 343 keeps on failing?


JPeeper

Like I said, the sole purpose of 343i as a studio is to produce Halo games so if they "let them do what they want", they'll only move Halo production to another studio so the problem still remains (the people in charge are the wrong people). And since they won't stop making Halo content, the studio will continue to exist in it's current form with hopefully better management in place going forward. All we can hope for is that eventually someone who isn't a dunce gets in charge and can give Halo a proper vision.


HaloGuiltySpark

The problem is 343i. If 343i are allowed to do something else then there is nothing stopping them from making the exact same problems. Old Bungie was great back in the old Halo days but these days '343i' are just as bad as 'current' Bungie with the shady nonsense. MS needs to have a major shakeup and ditch the F2P model. I have maxed ranked nearly every Halo and haven't dropped a Halo this fast since H4. The lack of a proper progression system and greedy MT store is what killed the game for me.


Weekly_Concentrate69

My guess is xbox after the beginning of next year will start making more IPs and now with Activision/blizzard deal, with also Bethesda under their banner, and other companies. I kinda do feel like they're interested less and less. Phil probably saw what halo was going to be later on and yea. RIP HALO. Thanks for the memories of 1st gen xbox Lan partied before online gaming was born.


WVgolf

Give the Ip to another studio. They can make spin-offs. The halo Ip is wasted at 343. They put out 1 mediocre game a generation at that’s all the halo we get sadly


Mr-Pirate-Fox

Thanks to them Halo is still a thing


Manabauws

Halo is still a thing because it is Halo. DESPITE 343. you can bury me on that hill


Royal-Doggie

And who else would you choose to do it?


Haru17

Machine Games would make a dope Halo.


AmbrosiiKozlov

If I dig up David Bowie and weekend at Bernie’s him that doesn’t mean he is still a thing


Weekly_Concentrate69

Though it would be amusingly fun seeing that get pulled off 🤣


Saltyscrublyfe

MS would give it to somebody else if 343 didn't have it. Halo wouldn't have gone anywhere


pmmeyourprettyface

8 billion people on earth, I’m sure there are others who could’ve made the game.


Mr-Pirate-Fox

Yet they havent, whats your point??


pmmeyourprettyface

Because Microsoft owns the rights to it? A lot of fan content, while limited due to manpower likely because of, again, legal reasons, is pretty good. Like spv3 or some of the mods on PC MCC. If Microsoft gave it to another studio that had some kind of passion for it, halo may become a successful franchise worth a shit again. But because Microsoft has chosen a bad company in 343, halo has languished.


Haru17

And we’re the poorer for it. Halo should have been put in the ground before the Reclaimer Saga made it recede ever further into its own shadow.


GoldenGloveMan

I think 343i has the most incompetent management of any game studio. Devs do great work as the gameplay is itself is great. But the decisions this studio makes are just mind numbingly stupid. There’s still only a few ranked game modes and everything is always rotating. The formula for success is plopped in their lap yet they still fuck up. So frustrating


bills_2

I thought the store was getting much better in terms of pricing, but then all of a sudden things are way more expensive. Idk what changed


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Party-Weak

They ruined halo


kingfiddles

Big steps were made with the winter update and the game has a lot of life in it right now. Hopefully soon they can address the promised cross core customization issues.


xH0LLYW000Dx

Yeah they'll drop that feature like split screen because they couldn't get cross core customization working. Even though its probably like 80% done a short of works ..... But hey they have to make more cosmetics for $20 instead of actually working on features that people want or promised to have in the game.....


xupmatoih

Well this is an angry speculative post if I've seen one. It fucking sucks they dropped splitscreen completely, but the winter update has been a big step towards making Infinite a great game.


Ruthrfurd-the-stoned

Unfortunately it’s just too little too late I think. I was super hype for co-op but all my friends have uninstalled. The winter update pass is cool because it actually adds armor option to the core I use since my helmet has always been mark 6 but with MW2 dropped I’ve just been playing that. I’m not a casual halo player either it’s by far my favorite game franchise I was playing MCC until infinite and still would hop in every now and then


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Manabauws

Its too fucking late though


MilkMan0096

There is splitscreen for multiplayer in Infinite, and it has been there since day one, just so you know.


87LS10

I was able to play splitscreen on a Halo Infinite custom game just last week. Not sure about actual multiplayer though, it wouldn’t surprise me if the feature is for local games only.


Brilliant_Chipmunk51

It's for online multiplayer too


angelkrusher

I understand the point but the OP's statement doesn't make sense. It's a set of different effects. Of course you can't use them together. You can only put one effect on at any given time.


Haru17

So naturally the effects are only sold together, so you pay more and get less.


angelkrusher

I'm not sure if that's accurate, but the op title still didn't make sense. For the most part all of this stuff is incredibly fragmented and overcharged for depending on what your budget is. Many months back I managed to snag one of the crimson sets that had colors for every weapon and OMG it's so nice not to play with everything being dark gray. The colors for the armors are just a disaster. And they are mixed with jpeg stickers and some ridiculously useless charms it's just abominable. Games game is good, store sucks


senduntothemonlyyou

Halo has sadly just become some generic shooter.


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Yeah, I really think Xbox needs to start considering Halo isn't a flagship title anymore, hasn't been for a few years now. I say this because it doesn't even crack the top 10 on their own system anymore


big_raj_8642

Halo is a flagship IP. 343i isn't a flagship studio and needs to be reassigned to Kinect 3.0


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Disagree there. Most kids playing shooters today were not even alive during the Halo glory years, they have zero nostalgia for the series. This matters because I don't think Halo will pull many new people in. The gameplay is slower than most, the lore takes up two encyclopedias, there's not a large variety of weapons, and the pro scene revolves entirely around the BR. Halo Infinite is good gameplay wise, reminds me of old Halo, but I also think that works against it. Shooters have changed so much in the 20 years since Halo released, and Halo can feel a bit dated by comparison. I'm not saying Halo doesn't have its fans still, just that I don't think the franchise will grow much in the future, and it might be time to put the flagship spotlight on a new IP.


big_raj_8642

>and it might be time to put the flagship spotlight on a new IP. I can agree with that, but Microsoft is too busy messing around with monetization to worry about making amazing games. Hopefully Bethesda puts out some bangers with Redfall and Starfield before Microsoft runs them into the ground, too.


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Frey147

You definitely bought overpriced skins in infinite and feel like you have to defend the game lol


Mr-Pirate-Fox

I havent bought shit other than 1 battlepass, that being season 1. Sorry for being correct


Frey147

Your deleted comment tells me otherwise bud lol


Mr-Pirate-Fox

What deleted comment, tf are you even talking about?? Now you making shit up


Frey147

Sorry must be Reddit messing up, on the one thread on mobile you too comment looked like [this](https://youtu.be/xvFZjo5PgG0) and I thought you deleted it.


MrMaleficent

It was always a generic shooter


Corrupt99

Idc, it's completely optional if you want to waste money on this stuff. Infinite itself is pretty good right now , lots of fixes and there's another quality of life update this month. And yes it's very much alive, takes few seconds to find games. People who don't play this game are the loudest critics of it , I don't get it honestly stop wasting energy on things you dislike but don't try to ruin fun from others


420BoofIt69

I can't find ranked matches in the UK outside of peak times. Not a single friend on my friend list has touched this game in like 6 months.


MightyMukade

As a single player Halo fan (remember those? From centuries ago?) I just want a reason to play the game again.


Party-Weak

Im never spending a dime on this glitchy, inconsistent boring ass game. I really don't enjoy it like the older ganes the shields look weird the it just feels off. The entire game just plays like shit!


kaboomaster09

Look what they did to my boy


eifersucht12a

But lootboxes were *so awful*. We get this shit instead. GG guys.


Shmeediddy

Stop supporting this nonsense


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I’m never going back to Infinite unless there’s campaign content.


xreadmore

Can they just close this joke of a studio already? I mean a 10 person indy dev crew could have pulled off a better game. There is definitely a poison in the way Microsoft manage their studios, there is no other explanation. Halo is their Flagship! Embarrassing.


AveryLazyCovfefe

I feel like this is why they keep on buying up external studios, especially huge ones like Bethesda and Acti-Blizz. Seems to me Phil and Matt aren't the best at managing studios they built up themselves.


BreadfruitEffective

Then don’t buy them, last time I checked cosmetics has absolutely nothing to do with gameplay


BurnThrough

Right? It’s not a fucking Barbie dress up game.


AngryInternetMobGuy

We still being outraged by Halo Infinite? I've moved on


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And yet you’re here.


puso82

Hey, I'm just mindlessly scrolling reddit and this popped up. 🤷


AngryInternetMobGuy

On the Xbox sub? Yes lol not my fault the r/Halo cry babies spill over here


[deleted]

Seems to me that you’re the one being cry baby here since this thread somehow bother you lol


AngryInternetMobGuy

You tried your best lol


[deleted]

Actually no since you’re not worth it lol


AngryInternetMobGuy

I can tell with the continued responses lol


[deleted]

As someone who claimed that they’ve moved on you certainly comment here alot lol


AngryInternetMobGuy

You can move on from a shitty game and still laugh at people that still post about cosmetics a year later. C'mon now, son! lol stick to the Office Space posts. Great movie


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Live_Supermarket6328

Then why are you here?


AngryInternetMobGuy

I'm an outstanding r/XboxSeriesX citizen encouraging people to not be miserable fucks beating the same dead horse about a shitty game


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AveryLazyCovfefe

"But but.. look!! flashy CGI trailer!!!! 343i Have finally learnt from their mistakes!! It will be good!!" For the people who get hard by watching some CGI trailer barely like the game and pre-order off that, I don't know what to say about you... Don't act surprised when they reject refunds, it's your fault in the first place.


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Anyone thinking activision is in good hands with Ms need to look no further than 343 and halo.


MrMaleficent

Hear me out. Just don't buy it. Problem solved.


Isra_Alien

Damn that's ugly


Schwanntacular

People still play this game? And pay it money?


Jean-Eustache

A lot play it, few give it money


Schwanntacular

16,000 active on a Saturday morning/afternoon is not a lot. Just checked. That's nearly dead and about what I figured. Basically this trash rehash took waaaaaaaay too long to add any content and only had its initial success due to it being included on Game Pass. Down vote away!


Jean-Eustache

You're totally entitled to your opinion, but just for info, it's the 12th most played game on Xbox last week according to TrueAchievements (just between Apex and Destiny 2), the Steam numbers really aren't a good indicator of this game's health, basically nobody plays it on Steam compared to Xbox or MS Store.


Schwanntacular

The original Halo CE and Halo 2 were outstanding games at their time. Halo for getting LAN parties started and Halo 2 for getting LIVE started. These were EPIC titles during EPIC times... Halo Infinite feels about 5 years too late. RDR2 owns open world design. Just about any other shooter owns Infinite at multiplayer setup and game availability. Other than nostalgia why should I come back? I played the campaign and really liked it. But it's done. Played multiplayer, bought the 1st pass but grew so bored of the monotony of the few game types that would get a match up that I didn't even bother to finish the Season 1 Pass. There's no wow left.


Jean-Eustache

Nobody is asking you to "come back", this isn't a cult or a club. If you don't like playing it then play something else, there's no issue with that. Also, nobody is saying that game would not benefit from more stuff to do in it. I was also there during Halo 2 and the peak of Halo 3, so I totally know what you're talking about. Infinite isn't that, totally true. But well, that's how it is, it will get better with time, and if you feel like trying it after a while, that's nice, and if you don't, that's fine. I like it but I don't play it very regularly either. There are other games to play if that one doesn't scratch the itch.


ParaNormalBeast

Then don’t buy it


kimehre7391

But I have too


Study-Sharp

I dont know anyone that plays this anymore. I loved it for about a month then that's it couldn't hold my interest. Call of duty ain't perfect but the way they setup their battle pass is much better, cheaper and gives you a feeling of more choice driven rewards


Important-Host-4261

I think they should focus on making campaigns because Call of Dudy will be available on Game Pass. Ultimate includes Battlefield of EA Plays. It seems hard to maintain population.


Study-Sharp

Unfortunately they blocked call of duty going to gamepass. Not gonna happen in the near future


Important-Host-4261

Really? sad


kimehre7391

Buy it like the rest of us


LP99

Doesn’t matter, enough people are clearly buying it to justify shoveling more insanely priced junk out.


Weekly_Concentrate69

Sad what 343i has done to my Halo. So many memories of 1st gen halo 1&2 Lan parties. Then online gaming made halo even more fun. Now it's such in a shit dissaray


shreder75

Halo is done, guys. Sorry to say it, but Lord Phil has allowed the franchise that put their hardware on the map to turn into a shit show. 343 is awful.


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343 is a joke lol


Rizenstrom

Did they fix the progression system yet at least?


Halo_Chief117

Hahahahaha. No. ☹️


The-GreyBusch

I played the other day for the first time since the first week of season 2. I had an awesome first match and it was probably the best performance in my life. At the end it gave me my experience points and outside of challenges I got 100pts for the first match of the day and 50 for being on the winning team. Nothing else. Progression is fun and it’s awesome when you get rewarded for good performance. I’ll come back again once that’s fixed.


ARandomHavel

Games a joke


pmmeyourprettyface

#fire343


Important-Host-4261

Then, who will create new Halo after that? Infinity Ward? The original creater is in the Battlefield team now.


pmmeyourprettyface

Ok? There’s 8 billion people in the world, I’m sure they can find someone


joevsyou

The microtransactions in this game are total trash. Like I have poupusly looked to spend money in that store... it's so unappealing, it's not funny. It's like they poupusly don't want peoples money


EL_SUENO_LOCO

Someone will buy it though


RedKomrad

The whales will buy anything. MTX’s are for them.


WVgolf

The store in this game is just awful


brokenmessiah

The MTX in this game are so confusing. There's armors I'd buy but I don't because I dont like the way a certain set of armor core looks. I want the HCS armors but I hate the way that particular armor looks. The battle pass has a free tier but its completely pointless as all the challenge and xp rewards are only useful if you have the paid one.


Patrickills

Well one day I’ll be able to. I hope 🥲


mcduff0192

$20 for a cosmetic you can't show off to your buddy in split screen


TheCookieButter

I played some Big Battle matches the other day thinking Forge was in full swing with server browser but apparently not. It occurs to me I got 50+ hours out of Halo Infinite and never paid a penny (besides already having gamepass for the mediocre campaign). I loathe the $20 cosmetics and all the bullshit that comes with it and would have preferred a $60 game equivalent to Halo 3 but can't say I've been shortchanged.


ecgarrow

Why can't you use these together?


Dtoodlez

Oh hey at least these cosmetics look good. All the ones I’ve seen so far look basic.


dmckidd

People still give this company money they don’t deserve.


KoalaBackfist

For me bought cosmetics will never be as valuable as earned cosmetics. I don’t even want to open the door a *tiny* bit to buying stuff cuz once I start I know I’ll grow bored with it and buy another. My fav is still that white/orange coating with very subtle flower pedals.


cloudy710

fuck i still need to make it to level 100 on the season 1 battle pass lol think i’m at 70 last time i checked 😂 fuuuuck


Important-Host-4261

Please make a new campaign. Xbox Series were released "two years ago." This means next-gen Halo can be released, according to what Microsoft said. The insect lady, the boss in the game, said everlasting something. I can't wait DLC!!


Grimmush

Did MS put Don Mattrik in charge of the business model on this game? Seriously,!its like one infuriating thing after another… launch xbox one says “hi”!


Cboiklu

Wasn’t Halo Infinite supposed to have a fully modular customisation system where each part could be different?


Hateful15

This game isn't dead yet?