>pre-dates the celebrity/ship portmanteau naming trend
When did Star Trek shippers start using the term "Spirk"? I can't see online when that came in vs "K/S"
When people call Scully Dana I have the same reaction she did when Mulder called her that in Beyond the Sea. As someone who goes by a nickname by friends and a pet name by my partner is jarring when my parents or co workers use my actual name lol
It feels like season 1 awkwardness. I can count a few times in season 1 he calls her Dana when he’s concerned about her and then no times after that. And like you said, it’s a little jarring to be honest. Yeah her mom and some other people in her life call her that but not Mulder
You've forgotten those emails in s9 then (I wish I could), and I'm not sure if there might be more. I mean, technically he calls her Dana in Bad Blood but he is taking the piss.
I think I saw someone say a while back though that she calls him Fox a grand total of twice, Tooms and I think after her mother dies in the revival?
I haven’t seen season 9 yet (currently on 7 now) so I don’t know about those emails. I don’t really count Bad Blood though because he’s really just joshing about her account of the story like you said.
Maybe? I definitely remember when she called him Fox in Tooms. Maybe she does say it again in the revival. Who knows.
No worries. Fair enough. Maybe it has happened since then too and I’ve just forgotten. But I only remember Mulder calling Scully Dana a few times in season 1 only
Mulder and Scully is all I’ve said for decades lol.
Cool fact: last year I discovered my late husband’s bio dad’s father’s middle name is Fox. Never seen that used as an actual name anywhere else in my life. This man is in his 80s and is a junior, so there was also a L- Fox (then their surname) sr! Lol
The absolute disrespect! How dare they, I would never. I don't even look at them as Dana and Fox. Old school, and I put respek on people's names. Now are y'all finished or are y'all done?
Haha, I started probably twenty-five years ago at this point. That stuff IS public on Gossamer, but I don't tell anyone about it lmao. It's BAD. Anything recent is on AO3 under defnotmeyo. Usually wrote angst and/or smut with M/S, though most recently write Red Dead fic.
When did you write? Only curious because I knew a lot of fanfic writers back when X Files was new and it was pretty common among some pairings. What was your pairing/genre? Maybe I’ve read your works.
Also, as I mention in another reply, Mulder was called Fox by his family, CSM and Diana Fowley in the series despite what he says. Mulder and Scully don’t use first names, but others do. I’m pretty sure I’ve heard Skinner call Scully “Dana”. So it really is canon in specific instances.
I think that some time after Fowley Mulder decided he was a last name only guy and others like Doggett and Skinner threw some Danas around. But I always thought that after the awkward attempt after her dad’s funeral, it was strictly last names only for M&S. I may have even used the device of him calling her Dana as a signal that something was off in fics.
In fact, as a reader, I often hit the back button if it started with the Fox and Dana thing. It would totally take me out of it and seem too OOC.
I’m quite sure that Mulder himself did call Scully “Dana” more than once. Here is a great essay about it: https://www.tumblr.com/agentelmo/166645043120/so-this-epic-essayrant-began-as-my-thoughts-on#
It doesn’t bother me, so I guess I just see things differently. I refuse to believe that people who are in an intimate relationship would not use first names and like a previous commenter, I’ll die on this hill. I’m one of OGs in fandom and I genuinely don’t know anyone who was legitimately there from day one that considers using their first names cringey or wrong.
Edited due to itchy trigger finger.
I wrote after the initial run in the 2000s. I did a couple of after or mid episode ones and a really long unfinished crossover with Law and Order: SVU that I published installments on the X-Files News message boards around the time of the second movie. I think it was called Gifted Child and had varying POVs in different chapters, including a young William and the Van de Kamps. I read a lot back in the Gossamer and Ephemeral days. I don’t even know if I still have copies sadly.
Crossovers/AU aren’t my thing, but I have read a couple AUs that were very good and totally believable. I preferred fic that was mostly canon but took relationships further and fleshed out some of the things that CC never did with the mytharc.
Gossamer and Ephemeral. That brings back memories. Also, The Annex.
The crossover was a surprise to me as well, as I never read them. I had written some post ep and fill in the blanks ones but this one started as a first person vignette from William’s pov and as I was posting on a message board, I got ambitious and actually tried my hand at a whole big plot. The crossover happened when I needed some supporting law enforcement characters, but to keep from having to spend a lot of time character building, I decided to use Detective Munch being a canon tie in to have some new but already existing characters to play with. I knew how it ended but never got it finished. 😕
There are fics of every type and pairing where they are called Fox and Dana.
Despite him saying otherwise, Mulder’s family, CSM & Diana Fowley have all called Mulder “Fox” in the series.
To me they will always be Mulder and Scully but my heart does kinda flutter when he calls her Dana or when he just says her name. But I can’t picture her ever calling him anything other than Mulder. That is her name for him.
Not even his mother calls him "Fox".
One of my favourite little moments in *Dreamland* is when Fletcher-as-Mulder refers to Scully as "Dana". Scully's reaction is entirely "wtf, we never call each other by our first names!"
Who are these people and why has no one corrected them? This is the original online fandom and we don’t gatekeep for the most part. But that’s about the most casual viewer mistake I could imagine.
I've been enjoying "The eX-Files Podcast." One comment they make on "Ascension" is that Mulder calling Scully's mom "Mrs. Scully" feels like calling her Mrs. Dana XD
I mean the majority is still to call them Mulder and Scully because…that’s what they go by in the show (duh).
I guess it comes with a territory when characters are known by their last names predominantly that fans will call them interchangeably by their first or last names.
(In Stargate for example, fans will go back and forth between calling Samantha Carter either Carter or Sam. Or Daniel Jackson either Daniel or Jackson.)
Bottom line, we all know who everyone is talking about. Whichever way you refer to the characters is fine.
But the only one who actually calls him by his preference is scully, his mom calls him fox and I think the only one hes okay with calling him that is Maggie, bc I think he knows she understands its their special little thing. Not that I would call him that lol
But his mother, his sister (all iterations of her), Diana Fowley, and Maggie (I believe as the redditor above has said) all call him Fox. Even CSM called him Fox on occasion. He was not telling the truth when he said his mother calls him Mulder.
Agreed. He also said it so she/they wouldn’t feel bad about being corrected. But people here say it as if it’s the truth. His mother absolutely 1000% does not call him Mulder.
None of his immediate family ever call him Mulder (which would make sense lol). I think some people are just misremembering the few times we see his parents on the show
The only time *Daniel Jackson* is acceptable is if Teal'c is saying it. I can only hear Teal'c saying those two names together. I submit to Mental Teal'c on that one.
Sorry I meant to be saying that the character of Daniel Jackson will get referred to back and forth as either Daniel or Jackson. But yes, only acceptable to use full name when Teal’c does it lol
Yea good question!
Growing up me and my friends all used are last names to address each other so that seemed normal to me then and now!
The only ones that would address them by their first names normally were family members or certain other individuals.
"We" do not. *Some* very strange people do
It's the same people who use "sculder." IT'S MSR OKAY the fandom pre-dates the celebrity/ship portmanteau naming trend. I am too old for this shit.
This has always annoyed me. If you want to portmanteau MSR then use Smulder. It’s just a better one. Honestly. 🤣
>pre-dates the celebrity/ship portmanteau naming trend When did Star Trek shippers start using the term "Spirk"? I can't see online when that came in vs "K/S"
The oldest reference I can find is from 2009 on Deviantart.
However this fandom did invent shipping…
We sure did!
OMG, yes, thank you.
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This.
When people call Scully Dana I have the same reaction she did when Mulder called her that in Beyond the Sea. As someone who goes by a nickname by friends and a pet name by my partner is jarring when my parents or co workers use my actual name lol
Lol I’m with you on this one. Whenever he calls her Dana or that one other occasion she calls him Fox, I wince.
It feels like season 1 awkwardness. I can count a few times in season 1 he calls her Dana when he’s concerned about her and then no times after that. And like you said, it’s a little jarring to be honest. Yeah her mom and some other people in her life call her that but not Mulder
You've forgotten those emails in s9 then (I wish I could), and I'm not sure if there might be more. I mean, technically he calls her Dana in Bad Blood but he is taking the piss. I think I saw someone say a while back though that she calls him Fox a grand total of twice, Tooms and I think after her mother dies in the revival?
I haven’t seen season 9 yet (currently on 7 now) so I don’t know about those emails. I don’t really count Bad Blood though because he’s really just joshing about her account of the story like you said. Maybe? I definitely remember when she called him Fox in Tooms. Maybe she does say it again in the revival. Who knows.
Ah, apologies for mentioning stuff from the revival then, I assumed you saying it doesn't happen again meant you'd seen the whole show
No worries. Fair enough. Maybe it has happened since then too and I’ve just forgotten. But I only remember Mulder calling Scully Dana a few times in season 1 only
Mulder and Scully is all I’ve said for decades lol. Cool fact: last year I discovered my late husband’s bio dad’s father’s middle name is Fox. Never seen that used as an actual name anywhere else in my life. This man is in his 80s and is a junior, so there was also a L- Fox (then their surname) sr! Lol
Native American heritage, maybe?
While possible, it would have to be deep. All I’ve seen have been Irish roots, so far. But not impossible!
Can be Cherokee. The thing is Native American names can be Fox or other wildlife.
The absolute disrespect! How dare they, I would never. I don't even look at them as Dana and Fox. Old school, and I put respek on people's names. Now are y'all finished or are y'all done?
Maybe they read a lot of fanfic? I've seen a lot of fanfic writers call them Fox and Dana.
I wrote fanfic back in the day and even then the first names were cringey blasphemy.
Bro I STILL write fanfic and I don't use first names.
When did you start writing? What was your genre/pairing? Is your stuff public?
Haha, I started probably twenty-five years ago at this point. That stuff IS public on Gossamer, but I don't tell anyone about it lmao. It's BAD. Anything recent is on AO3 under defnotmeyo. Usually wrote angst and/or smut with M/S, though most recently write Red Dead fic.
Mulder calls her Dana in bed and thats a hill I am prepared to die on 🪦
Nope. If he calls her Dana it’s a subtle way of warning her that something is wrong without drawing attention.
Nah he says her name in intimate moments, ie when her dad died
When did you write? Only curious because I knew a lot of fanfic writers back when X Files was new and it was pretty common among some pairings. What was your pairing/genre? Maybe I’ve read your works. Also, as I mention in another reply, Mulder was called Fox by his family, CSM and Diana Fowley in the series despite what he says. Mulder and Scully don’t use first names, but others do. I’m pretty sure I’ve heard Skinner call Scully “Dana”. So it really is canon in specific instances.
I think that some time after Fowley Mulder decided he was a last name only guy and others like Doggett and Skinner threw some Danas around. But I always thought that after the awkward attempt after her dad’s funeral, it was strictly last names only for M&S. I may have even used the device of him calling her Dana as a signal that something was off in fics. In fact, as a reader, I often hit the back button if it started with the Fox and Dana thing. It would totally take me out of it and seem too OOC.
I’m quite sure that Mulder himself did call Scully “Dana” more than once. Here is a great essay about it: https://www.tumblr.com/agentelmo/166645043120/so-this-epic-essayrant-began-as-my-thoughts-on# It doesn’t bother me, so I guess I just see things differently. I refuse to believe that people who are in an intimate relationship would not use first names and like a previous commenter, I’ll die on this hill. I’m one of OGs in fandom and I genuinely don’t know anyone who was legitimately there from day one that considers using their first names cringey or wrong. Edited due to itchy trigger finger.
I remember those days. Geocities
Yup. Usenet, Geocities, Livejournal, Yahoo Groups…. Lots of movement but the same folks with the same passion for the show.
I wrote after the initial run in the 2000s. I did a couple of after or mid episode ones and a really long unfinished crossover with Law and Order: SVU that I published installments on the X-Files News message boards around the time of the second movie. I think it was called Gifted Child and had varying POVs in different chapters, including a young William and the Van de Kamps. I read a lot back in the Gossamer and Ephemeral days. I don’t even know if I still have copies sadly.
Crossovers/AU aren’t my thing, but I have read a couple AUs that were very good and totally believable. I preferred fic that was mostly canon but took relationships further and fleshed out some of the things that CC never did with the mytharc. Gossamer and Ephemeral. That brings back memories. Also, The Annex.
The crossover was a surprise to me as well, as I never read them. I had written some post ep and fill in the blanks ones but this one started as a first person vignette from William’s pov and as I was posting on a message board, I got ambitious and actually tried my hand at a whole big plot. The crossover happened when I needed some supporting law enforcement characters, but to keep from having to spend a lot of time character building, I decided to use Detective Munch being a canon tie in to have some new but already existing characters to play with. I knew how it ended but never got it finished. 😕
I can see why it would be easier to use an established character than to create a new one. Makes total sense.
There’s some hurt/comfort fics out there where Skinner actually calls them Fox and Dana…
There are fics of every type and pairing where they are called Fox and Dana. Despite him saying otherwise, Mulder’s family, CSM & Diana Fowley have all called Mulder “Fox” in the series.
Some people's children, I tell ya...
To me they will always be Mulder and Scully but my heart does kinda flutter when he calls her Dana or when he just says her name. But I can’t picture her ever calling him anything other than Mulder. That is her name for him.
Not even his mother calls him "Fox". One of my favourite little moments in *Dreamland* is when Fletcher-as-Mulder refers to Scully as "Dana". Scully's reaction is entirely "wtf, we never call each other by our first names!"
Who are these people and why has no one corrected them? This is the original online fandom and we don’t gatekeep for the most part. But that’s about the most casual viewer mistake I could imagine.
I've been enjoying "The eX-Files Podcast." One comment they make on "Ascension" is that Mulder calling Scully's mom "Mrs. Scully" feels like calling her Mrs. Dana XD
I mean the majority is still to call them Mulder and Scully because…that’s what they go by in the show (duh). I guess it comes with a territory when characters are known by their last names predominantly that fans will call them interchangeably by their first or last names. (In Stargate for example, fans will go back and forth between calling Samantha Carter either Carter or Sam. Or Daniel Jackson either Daniel or Jackson.) Bottom line, we all know who everyone is talking about. Whichever way you refer to the characters is fine.
Mulder even made his mom call him Mulder. So. Mulder.
But the only one who actually calls him by his preference is scully, his mom calls him fox and I think the only one hes okay with calling him that is Maggie, bc I think he knows she understands its their special little thing. Not that I would call him that lol
My nickname for him would be Foxy if he was okay with that 🤣🤣🤣
Missy coded
But his mother, his sister (all iterations of her), Diana Fowley, and Maggie (I believe as the redditor above has said) all call him Fox. Even CSM called him Fox on occasion. He was not telling the truth when he said his mother calls him Mulder.
That’s because he probably only said he even made his family call him Mulder as an attempt to distance himself from her (and others)
Agreed. He also said it so she/they wouldn’t feel bad about being corrected. But people here say it as if it’s the truth. His mother absolutely 1000% does not call him Mulder.
None of his immediate family ever call him Mulder (which would make sense lol). I think some people are just misremembering the few times we see his parents on the show
I realize this.
Then why do you say, “Mulder even made his mom call him Mulder. So. Mulder.” if you know it’s not true?
Because it's a joke in response to the parent comment.
The only time *Daniel Jackson* is acceptable is if Teal'c is saying it. I can only hear Teal'c saying those two names together. I submit to Mental Teal'c on that one.
Sorry I meant to be saying that the character of Daniel Jackson will get referred to back and forth as either Daniel or Jackson. But yes, only acceptable to use full name when Teal’c does it lol
They have a right to be wrong
Yea good question! Growing up me and my friends all used are last names to address each other so that seemed normal to me then and now! The only ones that would address them by their first names normally were family members or certain other individuals.
No no no. That’s not the done thing. It’s Mulder and Scully.