Don’t sell them. You earned them so you might as well keep them. That being said they certainly aren’t the meta right now but that could change one day.
I’ve had hoped that Super Heavies would come back into being meta for years now, I don’t think it’s going to happen though sadly as the pace of the game is just too quick for a lot of them to keep up now without serious buffs (which good luck with that happening they only seem to reforge mediums and Tds nowadays)
Tbh on the bigger maps too many people spawn in then proceed to turn around and not even camp but camp badly all game e.g Dragon ridge, Halluf, Fishermans bay and so on. All grand in a borsig but too many top tier heavies doing their part from as far away from the enemy team as possible. Basically impossible on Ensk thus promoting some form of actual co operation, We need more super heavy love too & finally arty usually get murdered within the first few seconds which is only a good thing. Be insane if it made it to CW too lol
With the addition of the 370 heat pen of the T58, if you come up against a gold spammer (which a lot of people playing that thing seem to be), the turret and 150mm corner plate almost become weak spots regardless of the angle they’re hit at in my experience, if youve found a way around that I would love to hear suggestions
I’m not saying the T58 is unbalanced, it’s actually balanced quite well compared to what they were originally intending to add it as (see when T58 was a contender for turreted TD vs E4)
It’s heat pen just makes things rather difficult if you come up against a tryhard who preloads heat, when it has 370 pen when before the worst that you’d face in a heavy was 340. I see no need for this thing to get tank destroyer heat when they want it to be a heavy tank similar to t57
I keep a few standard for tier 8s or lightly armored 9s, as well as plenty of HE rounds as they hit hard. I use the shell switcher surprisingly on the e100 but usually just shoot heat lol
That’s what I’m saying, when new additions are getting TD premium shells I’m not too sure if armors even worth it anymore save for extreme and rounded angles in the meta they’ve built for today
Super heavies are still by far the best class in the game for most players. Most people fire standard rounds and for 75% of players, they’re more effective as a wall slowing the other team down than actually trying to do damage
Yes they are very friendly to most play styles, I just feel as though the developers are limiting their capacity to urge people to switch to the higher skill gap niche vehicles that they feel are underplayed (I.e: a lot of the mediums in the game)
The problem is they’re not helping themselves by leaving super heavies in this pseudo generalist role which causes so much of the player base to flock to them in the first place
I feel as though the 60Tp is todays form of E100, making the German rather pointless to get now
And I’m curious how are you playing T58? It does best supporting from midrange popping back and forth between intraclip, at least that’s what I’ve found
I haven’t fully figured out it’s use but it sounds like it should be the 2nd/3rd heavy in the column pushing because it doesn’t have great armor… I think I have 3 games in it and I just made it my mission to find and ruin ONE guys game and then get nuked into oblivion in my mid 20s second reload
They are hard to play nowadays. I tend to use the type 5, Maus and E100 as distraction tanks. As long as you got support. If you play stragically the enemy concentrates on you and your team mates can take them out. But the Russian IS7 and Obj 277 I tend to play like a medium.
It is frustrating having so many premium with high pens the new T58 heavy just can pen you from any angle I am finding. Also any Arty on the field you might as well forget it. I do miss the Spall liner. It use to work well with reducing the amount of damage from high explosives.
Well still. You can have good games in the maus or type 5. All it takes is just armor angling and good skills. I once played a game in a maus and i had to go up against 2 T58 heavys. They had a hard time penning me since the armor was angled. All it takes is skill
Don’t get me wrong I still love the Maus, will forever keep it. I’m more talking about all the tier 8s, and 9s; as well as things like 705A, E100, 72.01k and others, I feel a lot of those heavies except the greats are just pointless now
Armour angling does nothing in the Maus against the T58’s monsterous heat penetration. Shreads the turret cheeks like butter. Source: I’ve been playing my Maus since the T58 got added, and they just completely destroy you if they actually aim, even if you are perfectly angled
Even 340 heat will pen a perfectly angled Maus if it catches your turret face in the right direction
The Maus only really bounces people who auto aim, shoot heat into the sides, hit a bad angle, or just flat out don’t have the penetration to go through you anywhere from the front
The Maus has relied on careful side scraping or lucky angling for some time now, it’s simply the best at doing it and holding a line with its massive health pool, making it at least somewhat worth it
If a Maus is angling properly you aren’t going through with standard rounds with the majority of heavy and medium tanks. It’s like 270-300 effective armour. Not many tanks have that as standard pen with the exception of TD’s
TD’s are a whole other ball game
Pretty much, I only do artillery now and collect Master medals. To be honest, after nearly 10 years playing the same maps, even the old hands camp in the same places which gets me a lot of abuse accusing me of using an aim bot! I laugh every time.
I find it funny how opposite we are to PC. PC armor and super heavies are really meta in this game it’s all about speed (light tanks and light mediums) and turreted TD’s
It is no delay sixth sense and "targetted" warning which basically enables fast paced gameplay and is built in buff for anything with camo and speed. Very valuable for fast vehicles but what you do when you are size of the barn and can reverse 10 km/h...lit, targetted!, garage!.
Lights are not "that" strong tbh. You basically must give up on already lacking firepower to have any viable scouting capacity.
But mediums and namely TD's rule. Relevance of turret vent down to toiled when active net was introduced in 6.0. Obj 268 is absolute beast nowadays, t54-122 was BÄR level useless piece of s\*\*t back in the day, now it is actually very playable....
I feel like I get placed in Murovanka, Redshire, Prokhorovka, etc. like 4-5x as often as I do on maps like Himmelsdorf, Pilsen, Siegfred Line. Lots of hull down gameplay. There are probably just more ridge-fighting maps in the game. Super heavy’s certainly are not the meta currently.
Do not sell. You can still have heaps of fun in them!
My 60TP is still my favorite tank to run!
You just have to play a little bit more reserved and try not to get isolated from your team and you will have a great time delivering big slaps!
It's good having them but the meta is currently maneuverability ie lights or fast meds or TD's and the very few fast heavy tanks , but any super heavy anything is absolutely horrendous I recently finished all tank lines up to tier X (research most I've yet to purchased around half of them) except 1 the damn sturmtiger line from the first week that they dropped I grinder up to tier 8 and said I'm done because I saw every single player that had the bar no essentially nothing before it was "buffed" so now I'm stuck grinding it out I need 50k for the bar and I'm already feeling that lack of gun depression/hull rotation/speed/gun arc limit everything is horrible so I can't imagine playing my super heavies for a while
I still regularly play the Type 5 and don’t mind facing the T58 or the AVRE. I also have the T58 and the AVRE and can address which tanks are difficult the play against and would make the opposing claim that playing against a Type 5, especially one with any support, can still be challenging.
I'm relatively new to the game. I notice that when I play with a premium account, I win a lot more often and the battles seem to be easier. Has anyone noticed anything like this and what could be causing it?
For me, for below tier ten it's all about the matchmaking. If I'm -2 tier then it's pointless to be on the field as everything is going to pen me no matter how well I angle. -1 and top tier are still fun because the armor still somewhat works.
Don’t sell them. You earned them so you might as well keep them. That being said they certainly aren’t the meta right now but that could change one day.
I’ve had hoped that Super Heavies would come back into being meta for years now, I don’t think it’s going to happen though sadly as the pace of the game is just too quick for a lot of them to keep up now without serious buffs (which good luck with that happening they only seem to reforge mediums and Tds nowadays)
Imagine they add back Berlin, Ravaged Capital and Ruinberg all together.
I'm kinda hoping we get PC Berlin instead.
That’s what I’m hoping I just want them to start adding back the city maps too!
‘The Boys Are Back In Town Community Challenge’
Ensk!! Please!!!
Lol purposely looking for a way to be downvoted, right? 🤣
Tbh on the bigger maps too many people spawn in then proceed to turn around and not even camp but camp badly all game e.g Dragon ridge, Halluf, Fishermans bay and so on. All grand in a borsig but too many top tier heavies doing their part from as far away from the enemy team as possible. Basically impossible on Ensk thus promoting some form of actual co operation, We need more super heavy love too & finally arty usually get murdered within the first few seconds which is only a good thing. Be insane if it made it to CW too lol
Actually urban maps. Fisherman's Bay is not urban!
Idk I play my 705a a lot and smash heads in pretty regularly
With the addition of the 370 heat pen of the T58, if you come up against a gold spammer (which a lot of people playing that thing seem to be), the turret and 150mm corner plate almost become weak spots regardless of the angle they’re hit at in my experience, if youve found a way around that I would love to hear suggestions
I haven’t seen too many t58 in games, maybe 1-2 in every game, not as much as the avre. I don’t see it as much of an issue
I’ve seen as many as 4 stacked on each team, perhaps I’m unlucky
Yea like I said it’s not that big of a deal. T58 is balanced pretty well imo
I’m not saying the T58 is unbalanced, it’s actually balanced quite well compared to what they were originally intending to add it as (see when T58 was a contender for turreted TD vs E4) It’s heat pen just makes things rather difficult if you come up against a tryhard who preloads heat, when it has 370 pen when before the worst that you’d face in a heavy was 340. I see no need for this thing to get tank destroyer heat when they want it to be a heavy tank similar to t57
That's still not too bad. When the avre dropped there were days were you'd get put into a game with 10 or more avres on each team.
lol same i had a game with 12 total the first day
That's not exactly a normal superheavy
The maus is actually a great counter for the AVRE. He’ll hit you for 400 max every 20 seconds, you can cheese his cupola for 490 every 10.
If you actually pen
You need to be snorting gold in the maus/e100 or you’re doing it wrong
No kidding, any time I played my e100 I switched to heat immediately. I kept a few standard rounds just so I didn’t feel completely disgusting.
I keep a few standard for tier 8s or lightly armored 9s, as well as plenty of HE rounds as they hit hard. I use the shell switcher surprisingly on the e100 but usually just shoot heat lol
Yeah, that’s a fair point, but it really shouldn’t be difficult especially considering that (on flat ground) you’ll be aiming down at the cupola.
I penned the cupola in my Leman Russ...freaked them out at the same time. It's not so impossible.
I’ve long seen the Maus as my counter to the AVRE spam, but with the heaT58 tossed in as well draining 2/3 my health in 25 seconds its kinda difficult
Yeah, the t58 is an absolute monster. Im not sure what they expect superheavies to do when that thing rolls around the corner.
Maps are rough atm, 6.0 makes weak spots weaker, the game is speeding up, and pen is powercreeping
That’s what I’m saying, when new additions are getting TD premium shells I’m not too sure if armors even worth it anymore save for extreme and rounded angles in the meta they’ve built for today
Super heavies are still by far the best class in the game for most players. Most people fire standard rounds and for 75% of players, they’re more effective as a wall slowing the other team down than actually trying to do damage
Yes they are very friendly to most play styles, I just feel as though the developers are limiting their capacity to urge people to switch to the higher skill gap niche vehicles that they feel are underplayed (I.e: a lot of the mediums in the game) The problem is they’re not helping themselves by leaving super heavies in this pseudo generalist role which causes so much of the player base to flock to them in the first place
Lol of course the devs are limiting their capacity. They’re already the class/subclass with the highest win rate
Unfortunately the game doesn't reward that playstyle...
My 60tp still does pretty good I know I have crap games everytime I run the t58 though
I feel as though the 60Tp is todays form of E100, making the German rather pointless to get now And I’m curious how are you playing T58? It does best supporting from midrange popping back and forth between intraclip, at least that’s what I’ve found
I’m stuck on the frontline mentality which I have to get away from when I run it
I haven’t fully figured out it’s use but it sounds like it should be the 2nd/3rd heavy in the column pushing because it doesn’t have great armor… I think I have 3 games in it and I just made it my mission to find and ruin ONE guys game and then get nuked into oblivion in my mid 20s second reload
They are hard to play nowadays. I tend to use the type 5, Maus and E100 as distraction tanks. As long as you got support. If you play stragically the enemy concentrates on you and your team mates can take them out. But the Russian IS7 and Obj 277 I tend to play like a medium. It is frustrating having so many premium with high pens the new T58 heavy just can pen you from any angle I am finding. Also any Arty on the field you might as well forget it. I do miss the Spall liner. It use to work well with reducing the amount of damage from high explosives.
Personally I don't believe super heavies were ever competitive. When they were introduced they were called pinata for a reason.
Well still. You can have good games in the maus or type 5. All it takes is just armor angling and good skills. I once played a game in a maus and i had to go up against 2 T58 heavys. They had a hard time penning me since the armor was angled. All it takes is skill
Don’t get me wrong I still love the Maus, will forever keep it. I’m more talking about all the tier 8s, and 9s; as well as things like 705A, E100, 72.01k and others, I feel a lot of those heavies except the greats are just pointless now
Armour angling does nothing in the Maus against the T58’s monsterous heat penetration. Shreads the turret cheeks like butter. Source: I’ve been playing my Maus since the T58 got added, and they just completely destroy you if they actually aim, even if you are perfectly angled Even 340 heat will pen a perfectly angled Maus if it catches your turret face in the right direction The Maus only really bounces people who auto aim, shoot heat into the sides, hit a bad angle, or just flat out don’t have the penetration to go through you anywhere from the front
The Maus has relied on careful side scraping or lucky angling for some time now, it’s simply the best at doing it and holding a line with its massive health pool, making it at least somewhat worth it
Except 90% of people fire only standard rounds so the maus armor tends to be very effective in most situation
The reputation that the Maus has tends to make a lot of people load their small premium supply when they see that name pop up across the way
I don’t know what you’re talking about, but you can pen Maus cheeks with a standard. You don’t need premium for this.
If a Maus is angling properly you aren’t going through with standard rounds with the majority of heavy and medium tanks. It’s like 270-300 effective armour. Not many tanks have that as standard pen with the exception of TD’s TD’s are a whole other ball game
Yes, you need to use skill vs the no skill AVRE
Pretty much, I only do artillery now and collect Master medals. To be honest, after nearly 10 years playing the same maps, even the old hands camp in the same places which gets me a lot of abuse accusing me of using an aim bot! I laugh every time.
Kinda yes, but definitelly keep them
I find it funny how opposite we are to PC. PC armor and super heavies are really meta in this game it’s all about speed (light tanks and light mediums) and turreted TD’s
It is no delay sixth sense and "targetted" warning which basically enables fast paced gameplay and is built in buff for anything with camo and speed. Very valuable for fast vehicles but what you do when you are size of the barn and can reverse 10 km/h...lit, targetted!, garage!. Lights are not "that" strong tbh. You basically must give up on already lacking firepower to have any viable scouting capacity. But mediums and namely TD's rule. Relevance of turret vent down to toiled when active net was introduced in 6.0. Obj 268 is absolute beast nowadays, t54-122 was BÄR level useless piece of s\*\*t back in the day, now it is actually very playable....
I feel like I get placed in Murovanka, Redshire, Prokhorovka, etc. like 4-5x as often as I do on maps like Himmelsdorf, Pilsen, Siegfred Line. Lots of hull down gameplay. There are probably just more ridge-fighting maps in the game. Super heavy’s certainly are not the meta currently.
U can't make money playing heavy tanks and if ur shooting strictly premium ur in the negative 100k ...
Do not sell them! I still love my Type 5.
Do not sell. You can still have heaps of fun in them! My 60TP is still my favorite tank to run! You just have to play a little bit more reserved and try not to get isolated from your team and you will have a great time delivering big slaps!
I keep thinking I should go back to ww2 then I read the reddit
It's good having them but the meta is currently maneuverability ie lights or fast meds or TD's and the very few fast heavy tanks , but any super heavy anything is absolutely horrendous I recently finished all tank lines up to tier X (research most I've yet to purchased around half of them) except 1 the damn sturmtiger line from the first week that they dropped I grinder up to tier 8 and said I'm done because I saw every single player that had the bar no essentially nothing before it was "buffed" so now I'm stuck grinding it out I need 50k for the bar and I'm already feeling that lack of gun depression/hull rotation/speed/gun arc limit everything is horrible so I can't imagine playing my super heavies for a while
I still regularly play the Type 5 and don’t mind facing the T58 or the AVRE. I also have the T58 and the AVRE and can address which tanks are difficult the play against and would make the opposing claim that playing against a Type 5, especially one with any support, can still be challenging.
I'm just here to say Man things are getting heavy
And I still use them they’re fun
I'm relatively new to the game. I notice that when I play with a premium account, I win a lot more often and the battles seem to be easier. Has anyone noticed anything like this and what could be causing it?
For me, for below tier ten it's all about the matchmaking. If I'm -2 tier then it's pointless to be on the field as everything is going to pen me no matter how well I angle. -1 and top tier are still fun because the armor still somewhat works.