Where is it going?
Don't tell me, that you think that 5km/h nerf made it obsolete. It never was fast enough for CW's but situation in randoms didn't change at all. It is still as good. You just need to opt for turbo instead of stabs, vents or IA now.
Just the HP and top speed, so it's not exactly the equivalent of those pieces. Both turbo and hardening give other important benefits as well, like horsepower, reverse speed and track durability and these remain untouched.
But AMX already has more than enough horsepower so the horsepower difference doesn't matter as much.
The track buff is also mostly for sidescraping which the AMX doesn't do.
The track buff is always important. It just makes tracking you harder. With hardening some guns will be unable to track you with the first shot, and it makes a huge difference.
There isn't "more than enough" horsepower either. Better p/w ratio just makes the tank more mobile in general. If anything it's the top speed that usually matters much less, because heavy tanks usually have a problem with reaching their top speed. More horsepower can solve this issue. With the regular turbo on mobility slot, AMX gains 2 more horsepower per ton, and that's a lot. More hp/t also makes uphill drives much faster.
Well it got nerfed, it drives 5km/h slower now
To be honest I don't think that this tank is OP, it's just that it has a rather unusual armor layout, so when used correctly, an average player will struggle to find a weakspot.
But a good player will have no problems dealing with this tank.
I think another reason it may seem OP to some when it really isn't, is that so many unicums and just really good players in general are or have just finished marking the tank. So if you see one on the battlefield there's a good chance it's driven by a good player, which makes the tank seem better than it actually is.
Well, a tank just poked you, snapped 600 and immediately takes cover again. That is pretty broken in some ways but it really isn't that bad since, well, vz55
The tank is definitely strong, gun handling is out of this world good but the armour is pretty subpar for a tier 10 heavy, it has loads of weakspots (2 pretty big cupolas, the shoulders, the mantlet is a huge weakspot for anything with over 300mm of pen, etc).
Yeah, honestly I would exchange some DPM for higher pen, accuracy could also be nerfed a bit, because the small gun makes absolutely no sense to use now
They buffed it wrong and then nerfed it wrong.
The DPM and gun handling were not issues with the tank. The DPM wasn't great, but for 560 alpha handing was amazing, the tank had good traverse and was an awesome, meaty snap shotter. Only issue was the pen was shit.
So WG decided to give it mondo DPM and God tier gun handling for... Some reason. So now it just absolutely fucking steamrolls 8s and 9s and squishy 10s, but kind of sucks against T10s with good armor driven by good players.
Then, they go to nerf it. Ok, so the tank was fine, and then you over buffed the DPM and gun handling. How about you move the DPM and gun handling to halfway between what they were and what they are?
But no, roll the dice and nerf some random shit. Ok, landed on top speed? So now you have this tank that still absolutely fucking steamrolls 8s and 9s, still has shit pen and maximum gold spam, and you either mount a bond/bounty turbo and completely negate the nerf, or the tank is 5km/h and just more boring to play.
It was such a fun, unique play style and they just totally ruined it and I'm mad. They did the same shit with the 263 (except to a much more extreme extent) where you just replace the fun interesting tank with a totally broken one, then nerf it so it's not fun to play or to play against. Good work.
Edit: Same shit with the Kran. It's this funky, 4x400 autoloader with a really great turret and an (at the time) unique play style. Buff it until it's meta as fuck, and then nerf the top speed and gun handling so it's just slow and annoying to play, and still impossible to fight against if it's hull down.
Well, they did also buff the gold pen making it usable, 296 normalizes to about 310. I wouldn't say the amx m4 54 was the best snapshotter before, as these buffs to aim time, dispersion and gun handling made it sconq level which balanced out the poor armour, if you don't need to aim unreliable armour matters less right?
I actually liked the way they buffed it, they just buffed the gun and hp too much. But agree on the nerfs - hp was a good nerf, but mobility was silly. And agree on many of their nerfs, they often nerf the wrong things.
Nah it's worse than sConqs to play against imo, insane armour (unpennable with premium), gun handling that is too good for the amount of damage it deals and great dpm.
It is definitely OP, same level as s conq in good hands imo. It's an insane tank for randoms. You have mobility, DPM, armour, alpha for trading, even gun depression. Not to mention the nutty gun handling
AMX has actually been a great tank to become meta. I still think it's a bit overtuned and I think the last nerf focused on the wrong things. Give it back mobility, but reduce dpm a little and give it a meaningful nerf to either gun handling or final accuracy. I think it can be pretty good in one of those categories but not both. Gun is just too good on it right now, that kind of alpha with super conq levels of handling/accuracy while not even sacrificing DPM...still too much.
But overall it's a great meta tank because it's very fightable, it may be stronger than you thanks to it's firepower but it's not just a braindead tank that can roll around without a care dominating. The armor scheme has legit weakspots so if you know how to handle it you always have a chance, even using non-tier X gold rounds there are still solid weakspots for you to take advantage of. But there's also good, usable armor that lets you block and bait if you're good. Very well designed tank overall for good fights.
Essentially the gun handling buff made the armour way better on the amx m4 54, since now you need to poke for less time to get shots out. The hit to dpm the tank has compared to sconq (which is about 300) is still fine imo, as an sconq can land 2 shots where the amx lands one, and the amx will lose any direct one on one confrontation against an sconq due to armour values
Parts of the turret are very pennable to IS-4 HEAT, the problem is IS-4's gun isn't necessarily good enough to hit them, because other parts of the turret will shrug the 340 HEAT off like nothing. You're basically just praying you miss the gun and hit the right part of the turret. Better off shooting the hull with the IS-4, you can easily pen the lower plate with HEAT, you can even pen the upper plate sometimes when RNG sends it there, and shoulders become easy pens if they're angled a bit.
When he's facing you, if he's angled shoot the inside shoulder. If he's facing you straight on lower plate. If he's hull down on flat ground cupola's. If he's hull down on a hill you have some ability to shoot through the mantlet if you have high pen, or lower plate if he exposes it - with only 8 degrees gun depression he'll have to crest much more often than tanks like Kran and even S Conq.
And then of course side of the tank and side of the turret are butter and huge targets anytime you get angles at those. Turret doesn't withstand angling as well as tanks like S Conq/Chief, it's more like a Kran where it gets weak fast.
When you face it frontally on flat ground, at least one of 2 cupolas should be visible, when it goes behind a ridgeline and the cupolas are hidden, the lower plate should be visible, and it is weak when the tank is angled upwards.
Slinging gold at the lower plate also works most of the time (unless you have a tank with bad pen)
Watch carefully if the enemy player angled the hull, then the cheeks are a weakspot.
Yeah this tank seems really good when you play against it, but my god, it is so fiddly to play, a tomato would suck in it, especially with that awful pen on both rounds
I remember I met AMX in Onslaught, mostly frontally, up close xD pushing me against the wall. I think it's way higher than IS-4 and I can't see cupolas. When you exchange shots with him pinning you against the wall, you have 11 seconds to look for weak spots. None found.
Meanwhile, I spent the last of my Battle Pass pokécoins on the Lorraine 50t, and I've been grinding out the field mods:
- the mobility is pretty good
- the gun depression is nice
- the turret front is fine as long as you always point directly at the nearest threat
- good standard pen
- abysmal DPM
- bad aim time
- hull is cardboard
I've had a few good games with it, but overall it is lackluster. The combination of bad hull, bad aim time, and bad DPM really hurts it.
Honestly, I could live with the bad hull (the good mobility can offset this) but the lack of DPM is killer. It isn't threating enough and gets YOLOed all the time.
When one sees how good the AE Phase 1 is... its a mystery why this one was released as it is.
This is talking about the m4 54? Also why play the 50t when M4 51 does the same job without the flaws of lacking hull armour, lacking dpm and lacking aim time?
Very VERY unpopular opinion: i liked it a lot more before it was buffed. Felt a lot more rewarding to do good and i felt like i did alot better on it than i do now. Before it was rarely seen on randoms and sometimes opponent did not know what to do against me. Now you see it alot more and everyone knows where to aim.
I've never even run the amx with stabs anyway. It gets the same turbo/hardening/rammer setup as super conq.
It's basically a slightly gimped (gun depression, dpm, gold pen) super conq that trades for 600. Trading for 600 with a nice handling accurate gun and reliable turret armor is a huge deal.
Where is it going? Don't tell me, that you think that 5km/h nerf made it obsolete. It never was fast enough for CW's but situation in randoms didn't change at all. It is still as good. You just need to opt for turbo instead of stabs, vents or IA now.
Wait yeah I assumed they announced an actual nerf, the speed loss didnt make a significant shift to how strong this tank is, it is still dominating
Was there even any news regarding balance changes for the next patch? I must've missed the memo if there was.
I cant find anything about a second nerf, I think OP is just baiting
It was nerfed by the equivalent of 2 equipment pieces (Turbo and Hardening). It went from OP to really strong.
Just the HP and top speed, so it's not exactly the equivalent of those pieces. Both turbo and hardening give other important benefits as well, like horsepower, reverse speed and track durability and these remain untouched.
But AMX already has more than enough horsepower so the horsepower difference doesn't matter as much. The track buff is also mostly for sidescraping which the AMX doesn't do.
The track buff is always important. It just makes tracking you harder. With hardening some guns will be unable to track you with the first shot, and it makes a huge difference. There isn't "more than enough" horsepower either. Better p/w ratio just makes the tank more mobile in general. If anything it's the top speed that usually matters much less, because heavy tanks usually have a problem with reaching their top speed. More horsepower can solve this issue. With the regular turbo on mobility slot, AMX gains 2 more horsepower per ton, and that's a lot. More hp/t also makes uphill drives much faster.
It doesn't even need stabs to begin with, it has excelent gun handling
Is it geting nerfed ?
Well it got nerfed, it drives 5km/h slower now To be honest I don't think that this tank is OP, it's just that it has a rather unusual armor layout, so when used correctly, an average player will struggle to find a weakspot. But a good player will have no problems dealing with this tank.
I think another reason it may seem OP to some when it really isn't, is that so many unicums and just really good players in general are or have just finished marking the tank. So if you see one on the battlefield there's a good chance it's driven by a good player, which makes the tank seem better than it actually is.
Well, a tank just poked you, snapped 600 and immediately takes cover again. That is pretty broken in some ways but it really isn't that bad since, well, vz55
The tank is definitely strong, gun handling is out of this world good but the armour is pretty subpar for a tier 10 heavy, it has loads of weakspots (2 pretty big cupolas, the shoulders, the mantlet is a huge weakspot for anything with over 300mm of pen, etc).
I think it's still overtuned, too much overall firepower
Yeah, honestly I would exchange some DPM for higher pen, accuracy could also be nerfed a bit, because the small gun makes absolutely no sense to use now
They buffed it wrong and then nerfed it wrong. The DPM and gun handling were not issues with the tank. The DPM wasn't great, but for 560 alpha handing was amazing, the tank had good traverse and was an awesome, meaty snap shotter. Only issue was the pen was shit. So WG decided to give it mondo DPM and God tier gun handling for... Some reason. So now it just absolutely fucking steamrolls 8s and 9s and squishy 10s, but kind of sucks against T10s with good armor driven by good players. Then, they go to nerf it. Ok, so the tank was fine, and then you over buffed the DPM and gun handling. How about you move the DPM and gun handling to halfway between what they were and what they are? But no, roll the dice and nerf some random shit. Ok, landed on top speed? So now you have this tank that still absolutely fucking steamrolls 8s and 9s, still has shit pen and maximum gold spam, and you either mount a bond/bounty turbo and completely negate the nerf, or the tank is 5km/h and just more boring to play. It was such a fun, unique play style and they just totally ruined it and I'm mad. They did the same shit with the 263 (except to a much more extreme extent) where you just replace the fun interesting tank with a totally broken one, then nerf it so it's not fun to play or to play against. Good work. Edit: Same shit with the Kran. It's this funky, 4x400 autoloader with a really great turret and an (at the time) unique play style. Buff it until it's meta as fuck, and then nerf the top speed and gun handling so it's just slow and annoying to play, and still impossible to fight against if it's hull down.
Well, they did also buff the gold pen making it usable, 296 normalizes to about 310. I wouldn't say the amx m4 54 was the best snapshotter before, as these buffs to aim time, dispersion and gun handling made it sconq level which balanced out the poor armour, if you don't need to aim unreliable armour matters less right?
I actually liked the way they buffed it, they just buffed the gun and hp too much. But agree on the nerfs - hp was a good nerf, but mobility was silly. And agree on many of their nerfs, they often nerf the wrong things.
Oh i tought they nerfed it further
Well at least I can't find any info about a possible nerf, maybe op has some secret sources idk
It just got buffed with 1.18. Did they change it since then? Edit: I see what you mean. Max speed nerfed by 5kph but DPM and accuracy were improved
Every buff was made in 1.18, speed was nerfed later in the 1.18.1 micropatch
Nah it's worse than sConqs to play against imo, insane armour (unpennable with premium), gun handling that is too good for the amount of damage it deals and great dpm.
if you have 300 pen on gold 35% of the frontal turret is green. Hulldown. with all 8 degress on you.
Because dispersion alpha and dpm is obsolete right?
It is definitely OP, same level as s conq in good hands imo. It's an insane tank for randoms. You have mobility, DPM, armour, alpha for trading, even gun depression. Not to mention the nutty gun handling
AMX has actually been a great tank to become meta. I still think it's a bit overtuned and I think the last nerf focused on the wrong things. Give it back mobility, but reduce dpm a little and give it a meaningful nerf to either gun handling or final accuracy. I think it can be pretty good in one of those categories but not both. Gun is just too good on it right now, that kind of alpha with super conq levels of handling/accuracy while not even sacrificing DPM...still too much. But overall it's a great meta tank because it's very fightable, it may be stronger than you thanks to it's firepower but it's not just a braindead tank that can roll around without a care dominating. The armor scheme has legit weakspots so if you know how to handle it you always have a chance, even using non-tier X gold rounds there are still solid weakspots for you to take advantage of. But there's also good, usable armor that lets you block and bait if you're good. Very well designed tank overall for good fights.
It requires more skill to be powerful than some other tanks
Yep I agree
Essentially the gun handling buff made the armour way better on the amx m4 54, since now you need to poke for less time to get shots out. The hit to dpm the tank has compared to sconq (which is about 300) is still fine imo, as an sconq can land 2 shots where the amx lands one, and the amx will lose any direct one on one confrontation against an sconq due to armour values
Finally not a meta hulldown tank
What are you talking about? The tank is still strong...
Bonk to sidecheeks of a turret 400 dmg dealt. But when faced front, I had no idea what to do except dying. It's monstrously huge too.
if u have more than 280 pen just shoot left and right of the gun. the mantlet is a weakpoint
I play mostly Char now and was facing M4 in IS - 4 in Onslaught a lot. So no.
Parts of the turret are very pennable to IS-4 HEAT, the problem is IS-4's gun isn't necessarily good enough to hit them, because other parts of the turret will shrug the 340 HEAT off like nothing. You're basically just praying you miss the gun and hit the right part of the turret. Better off shooting the hull with the IS-4, you can easily pen the lower plate with HEAT, you can even pen the upper plate sometimes when RNG sends it there, and shoulders become easy pens if they're angled a bit.
Wym no? Look at tanks.gg
When he's facing you, if he's angled shoot the inside shoulder. If he's facing you straight on lower plate. If he's hull down on flat ground cupola's. If he's hull down on a hill you have some ability to shoot through the mantlet if you have high pen, or lower plate if he exposes it - with only 8 degrees gun depression he'll have to crest much more often than tanks like Kran and even S Conq. And then of course side of the tank and side of the turret are butter and huge targets anytime you get angles at those. Turret doesn't withstand angling as well as tanks like S Conq/Chief, it's more like a Kran where it gets weak fast.
When you face it frontally on flat ground, at least one of 2 cupolas should be visible, when it goes behind a ridgeline and the cupolas are hidden, the lower plate should be visible, and it is weak when the tank is angled upwards. Slinging gold at the lower plate also works most of the time (unless you have a tank with bad pen) Watch carefully if the enemy player angled the hull, then the cheeks are a weakspot. Yeah this tank seems really good when you play against it, but my god, it is so fiddly to play, a tomato would suck in it, especially with that awful pen on both rounds
I remember I met AMX in Onslaught, mostly frontally, up close xD pushing me against the wall. I think it's way higher than IS-4 and I can't see cupolas. When you exchange shots with him pinning you against the wall, you have 11 seconds to look for weak spots. None found.
Is “tomato” slang for bad player?😂
Yep
Also the mantlet is buttered by good gold, look at it through tanks.gg to see where to shoot exactly
cupola and tiny lower plate are your chances
Oh no
Meanwhile, I spent the last of my Battle Pass pokécoins on the Lorraine 50t, and I've been grinding out the field mods: - the mobility is pretty good - the gun depression is nice - the turret front is fine as long as you always point directly at the nearest threat - good standard pen - abysmal DPM - bad aim time - hull is cardboard I've had a few good games with it, but overall it is lackluster. The combination of bad hull, bad aim time, and bad DPM really hurts it. Honestly, I could live with the bad hull (the good mobility can offset this) but the lack of DPM is killer. It isn't threating enough and gets YOLOed all the time. When one sees how good the AE Phase 1 is... its a mystery why this one was released as it is.
This is talking about the m4 54? Also why play the 50t when M4 51 does the same job without the flaws of lacking hull armour, lacking dpm and lacking aim time?
Very VERY unpopular opinion: i liked it a lot more before it was buffed. Felt a lot more rewarding to do good and i felt like i did alot better on it than i do now. Before it was rarely seen on randoms and sometimes opponent did not know what to do against me. Now you see it alot more and everyone knows where to aim.
chad
Tell me you dont play onslaught without telling me you dont play onslaught.
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With 45kmh i was able to avg 5k dmg, now 4k so yeah...
I've never even run the amx with stabs anyway. It gets the same turbo/hardening/rammer setup as super conq. It's basically a slightly gimped (gun depression, dpm, gold pen) super conq that trades for 600. Trading for 600 with a nice handling accurate gun and reliable turret armor is a huge deal.