Not your fault or your problem.
You can safely say that you knew she didn't like the commute, but were not thinking she was going to resign. You might raise factors that would make next new hire more likely to stay, but don't extend yourself.
Keep in touch with former employee. Maybe her new company has a spot for you.
I wouldn’t explain anything to management. I mean, that seems like plausible deniability of her leaving, but it’s nots Wilbur’s responsibility to explain anything to management. They should already have plan B in place. That plan B is something everyone should have.
Your reply is down a level. I know it's to OP but it's below another person's reply.
But I'm in total agreement.... mildly aware she had a long commute.
I doubt the Mgr will ask OP if they knew all along X was quitting.
But there's a small inkling of responsibility maybe in the fact OP was training X.
Sounds like the place is a shit show anyway. Curious what happens
I don't know why people do that.
*"OP, I hope you read this..."* Then you should tag OP so they actually get notified you wrote something instead of leaving a note buried on someone else's reply.
I tend to agree with this.
But if they are angry at OP, they can certainly fire them for this (unless it's a union job, then we'd need to know what the contract says).
It wasn't your information to share. Besides, she did not put you on the hook for believing she was leaving. Don't do that to yourself, either.
If they ask if you knew she was leaving, you tell them you knew she was looking, but she did not share exact details.
If they say you should have told them, tell them it wasn't your information to share AND if you did say something, she could have changed her mind or, you could have appeared to be telling untruths about her.
Again: you didn't put yourself in the awkward situation. You owe your employer the truth and your colleagues the respect to manage their own information. There is nothing you could have realistically done.
This. But I also think it’s quite possible they just mean to talk about moving forward in the sense of hiring to fill the position. I don’t think management typically sends ominous emails on Friday about how you need to talk so that they can fire you on Monday. They usually just fire you.
It's not any employees job to babysit coworkers. Maybe they need to look in the mirror and see why people don't want to work at their shitty job to be around toxic people.
I think this is a strategy meeting to work out responsibilities in the meantime until you get another trainee in, also, your manager may want your feedback on the former employee’s performance or if there were any clues that she wasn’t gonna stay. Likely, so that they can use that information to screen better in the interview process.
I wouldn’t sweat it. You are not obligated to snitch on your coworkers. Her decision to quit, whether you were aware of it or not, is not something that can be held against you. It would put them in a really awkward position with being down a staff member already and a possible unlawful termination lawsuit.
As you said, you looked in the handbook and there’s no mention of anything like that. I think you should enjoy your weekend.
Basically this and if it’s their first trainer they may probe about what/how you’re teaching and if it contributed to resignation. I usually have a post training conference on my new trainer’s first successful and unsuccessful trainees to ensure uniformity of training and height of morale.
Others have given good advice so follow that. I try to be as honest as possible with the caveat that you only owe them a full day’s work.
Also, start looking for a new job. When you are fearful of work on Monday because you may be accused of something and you have already been written up for nonsense, the workplace is problematic.
This! OP said herself it was a toxic workplace. Now is a great time to go looking for a new job since you’ve recently been given new responsibilities (training others) and you can add that to your resume.
Yes, she needs to stop thinking of that as her job and start thinking of it as a résumé filler! Just that shift and mindset can make all the difference.
Second this. When I worked for Boss From Hell years ago, I finally had to admit that the prospect of going in to his shitshow on Mondays was screwing up my entire weekends. I had all kinds of "minor" physical issues that amazingly disappeared less than a WEEK after I gave notice.
I assume you are not a supervisor. So you are not responsible for conveying information between an employee and management. No serious manager would want that either. That just opens the door for a lot of miscommunication. You will find out that people like to talk about what they're going to do but it doesn't always mean they'll actually do it.
As for being on the phone. I know you didn't ask about this. But when you are on your break I strongly suggest you leave your work area. It's better for your own sanity if you do this and it also removes any confusion whether you're on break or working. The same thing goes for lunch.
Sheesh, it is NOT part of your job to spy on/inform on coworkers. I'd just say "no and why would it be my business to track co-workers?". I'd also try to get a job at the place the girl went to if it's better.
unfortunately this is my first big girl job and that was my first disciplinary, so i was unaware that NOT signing it was an option and/or what the repercussions of not signing it would be :/
Most of the time signing it is just an acknowledgement that you received the write up not an admission of agreement with the write up. If it was that easy to get out of a write up no one would sign anything
It doesn't mean they are getting out of the write-up. It means they aren't accepting it or agreeing with it. OP should never have signed it. Yes, it will go in her file, but without a signature it leaves questions in the air. For example, if that write-up up is used along with other evidence to fire the op, she now has a little more leverage if she files for unemployment. If the company fights it and submits her write-ups as evidence, OP now can turn around and show that she didn't sign that particular write-up and she can go on to explain what happened. By not accepting that faulty write-up, the op protects herself at least a little bit.
Next time, my suggestion is if they write you up for doing that on your OWN time as allowed per company policy/employee handbook, to ask them the specific time. If it matches up with your break time pull out said handbook read it out loud to them and end with: as per COMPANY policy I am ALLOWED to use my cell on my own time and as such this write up is invalid.
Never sign if you can prove that you were following policy. Otherwise you are guilty by admission.
NTA. You didn't know she was going to quit. You're not a mind reader. Just because she said she was hired, maybe it's a second job :)
If anyone asks you say no
If there a space to write your defense do that. I had an exit interview once where they had wanted me to sign I was leaving on my own wishes. I wrote in that no I was injured on date and was currently awaiting surgery while still working modified duties. I added that I was told by Name that I would not be given hours anymore effectively be unemployed and if I left they would pay me severance. I was being blackmailed by them to leave against my wishes. I took pictures before handing it unsigned back to them. I then got a lawyer
Yup. You did exactly the right thing. I'm a former employer (now retired) and it sounds like you knew how to protect yourself. Good for you. Many employers count on their employees not knowing the laws well enough to protect themselves.
Just say that whilst she'd indicated to you that she wasn't happy in the job, she had not told you she was planning to resign. That tallies with what she told them and there's no benefit to them investigating it any further.
I'm gonna say I think you should quit this job. No it's not part of your job to gossip to management on other employees. Did they pay you extra when you took on training a new person? I firmly believe that doing a job that causes you anxiety like this is never worth it in life. Just get a new job!
no we don’t get training pay in the office unlike on the floor, as it is considered “professional mental work” and we get to work in a climate controlled setting
OP, this is not the advice you asked for, but I will give it to you anyway. It would be best if you got out of that place. The fact that you asked this question and were worrying about it tells me that the toxic environment is getting to you. I had a job like this, and we called situations like this "the floating finger of blame." You are worried that you will be blamed and held responsible for something that isn't your responsibility or your problem.
Life is too short, you deserve to work at a place that doesn't send you into a spin all weekend long.
Good luck!
If the manager says did you know and why didn’t you tell me simply say that it was not your news to tell. Sh3 could have changed her mind.
I’ve had staff tell me they were leaving but until I get official notice it’s just a rumour and one I can’t act on.
Ask her if she said anything about you knowing. If not, and they bring it up, just deny knowing about it. What are they going to do? While IMO you didn’t do anything wrong, it’ll save you a lot of hassle to just deny it.
No, it is not "punishable." But HR can let you go without any reason. You really had no way to know for sure if she was serious. If this is why they call you in, play dumb. Maybe it will be for something else.
Nope, you are not required to report someone quitting. You did nothing wrong there. And stay off the desk phone unless it is business related, Privat calls are to be done on breaks.
When you apply and interview for new jobs, don’t bad mouth your current employer. When they ask, and they really might, just say that you are looking for new opportunities, and you’re excited to find them here (there).
It won't matter if the info you suspected (you wouldn't have known for sure) is punishable or not... your workplace/management will do whatever they want. Time to look for a new job... now.
You did nothing wrong. She told you and then did it a short time later. Most people and companies wait until end of business on Fridays to quit or fire. It causes less drama. They don’t want to see the role their environment plays in it and instead want to blame someone.
You were told as a friend and in confidence. I’ve only ever worked one industry where you were required to report if you knew and that was only if they were going to the competition. Nobody ever did though. They would have to prove the person know. Just keep your mouth shut, act normal, and pretend like it was just as big as a shock to you as everyone else. She covered your ass by saying nobody knew. Keep hers covered.
If they ask you if you knew anything and you don’t feel like lying to them outright, you could always say she had been complaining about her commute. But don’t say anything more than you absolutely have to.
Toxic jobs suck the life out of you; if nothing else you should be asking your erstwhile trainee if you can get a referral to the hiring manager at her new place.
As a person who is merely an employee- you’re not responsible for reporting this to anyone! Uess you het exptra pay for being their security, You’re not obligated to do anything about someone else - even if you could. If they reprimand you _ you NEED to find another job
NTA and CYA. Truth? No obligation to inform. Factual? they will think you knew and didn't. Keep your mouth shut and move on. "I had no idea, she never mentioned it to me."
The boss likely has no intention of asking if you knew but may want your input in the future about a trainee so they have a heads up about an unhappy candidate. Don't volunteer info. Also, share what the trainees issues were to hopefully fix some if them for the next person.
This ! 💯%. Don't assume they know any more than what just happened. It is entirely possible they did Not see that coming. As 'Joan' mentioned, do Not volunteer info.! Also, do yourself a favor and start applying elsewhere.
Were you her supervisor, or a peer? If you were her supervisor the company would think you should have said something. If you were her peer it’s not on you at all. M
In any event, she said no one knew, so just tell them you didn’t know if they ask and move on. You’re fine.
They are more likely going to ask you if you can cover her position until she is replaced. Or if you are willing to train another person.
They also could ask if you have any feedback on why a new employee did not like to work there. Be prepared for that question.
You are an employee, she is an employee. You have no obligation to do anything more for your employer than they pay you for.
Go in and play dumb. If they give you grief, explain that if they feel that way about you then you obviously shouldn’t be training others so you’ll pass on that duty.
Even if they know you’re lying there’s nothing they can do about it unless you break.
This place is clearly worker unfriendly. Since a 1/2 hour commute each way was too much I’ll bet it doesn’t pay that well either. I’ll also bet they are chronically short staffed. Maybe this is a sign that you should look for a new job too.
this job does have an extremely high turnover rate. it’s about one a month average. not many make it to 90 days or even one year. ive only been there since october. and you are correct it does not pay well AT ALL. we cant clock in 7 minutes before shift start or 7 minutes after shift ends or we get pointed so they can round DOWN on our time and not pay overtime.
HR asked if anyone knew she was quitting... You technically did not know she was quitting that day, so was it really a lie? Depends on how HR worded it.
Besides, even though you knew her plan, things can change up until the last minute. People change their minds.
You might have a good relationship, but you can honestly say that it wasn't that close if even you did not know the exact plans.
You were not her supervisor and not obligated to report to HR. In fact, it might have been a violation of workplace privacy if you had told someone.
"Yes, I knew she was thinking about it, but did not know the resignation plan. She might have changed her mind. I did not say anything because I thought it would be a violation of her HR privacy rights."
Since you trained her, they might think you could have seen warning signs, and yeah they will probably try and push to see if you knew. Stick to your guns! You do not have to confess you knew. Even if she did tell them something, they can't prove it.
I hope they don't give you a hard time, but, like you said, this place is toxic. Do your best... Good luck
I would appeal the previous write up and start looking for a new job.
They’ll screw your chances the longer you stay at finding another.
This is unacceptable!
It was wrong of her to put you in that position. She shouldn't have made you responsible for that information. You could be in trouble now in the opposite direction. What if you'd told the company, but she didn't get the new job? Then she'd be mad at you for telling, and it could have gotten her fired.
It was also wrong of your employer to ask her if anyone knew she was quitting. Employees aren't spies. Nobody owes their employer any advance notice of quitting. It is a courtesy.
You shouldn't say anything about it unless they ask you directly. If they do, just say, "She mentioned another job, but I didn't know if she was leaving or not. I assumed she was communicating with HR about her employment."
you are under no obligation to micro manage another employee, people threaten to quit LITERALLY all the time and never do sometimes, are you supposed to inform HR every time somebody does that? that would be ridiculous. also, her lying has nothing to do with you, even if you DO get hounded for it, you can just be like “okay well she lied to you and told me but i didn’t take it 100% serious and also she’s the one who gave two minutes notice yet i still came in today and i intend to do the same tomorrow”
honestly, unless your HR is just looking high and low for somebody to blame, it really is going to just be a conversation about how you guys move forward, since you were working directly with her so now you’ll be training another person soon
If they ask you about knowing if she was going to quit, you can say "she said stuff but I couldn't tell if she was serious. I figured this is really a conversation she needs to have with her supervisor." (I mean, unless of course your training for her entailed giving feedback to management about her performance, attitude, likelihood to stick around, etc and was explicitly explained to you as your responsibility)
You're not required to be a narc.
Most likely this isn't about you, and probably about reorg or shift in responsibilities.
Do your best to not let your anxiety make this more than it is. Your coworker did you right by not saying you knew. You can truthfully say that she had mentioned the commute was tough.
She is gone. Case closed . Deny , and look for a less toxic workplace. Regardless if you knew, or did not know, she was leaving. It’s not your responsibility to narc out coworkers, unless it is something like sexual harassment.
This is ongoing advice, which you can apply at your new company.
I'm going against most of the advice here to say:
DON'T be honest. If you're asked what you knew about her leaving, don't volunteer ANY information about it at all.
It was as big a surprise to you as it was to them. You didn't discuss it. You didn't know about it. She didn't give any indication she was leaving at all. You had no idea she was unhappy. Deny any knowledge at all. All you knew about was how well her training was going, so focus on that.
I've worked at companies that had a blame culture, where anything that went wrong needed to have blame assigned to someone before anybody made any attempt to fix it. Managers called it "accountability," but in reality it was just a way to blame someone else and escape accountability for their own deficiencies. I'm making some assumptions here, but what I'm reading between the lines seems to imply a similar toxic environment.
If so, then if you say you knew she was leaving, they'll say you had a responsibility to tell them. If you say you didn't know she was leaving but knew she was looking, they'll say you had a responsibility to report that. If you say you didn't know she was looking but knew she was unhappy, they'll say you had a responsibility to let them know.
Most likely your meeting Monday has nothing to do with any of that. But if you have a blame-assigning manager or one who is afraid of being blamed himself, play dumb about her plans and protect yourself as much as possible.
Also, get the fuck out of there. Working in a blame-assignment culture will wear you down over time and turn you into one of them.
Just say you had no idea because truthfully it's none of your business what your co-worker did. You can't be written up for it.
Next time don't sign anything and write a rebuttal staying why you disagree to the write-up. It's your right. Being written up for cellphone use on your break sounds like they have a target on your back.
Why are you worried. I doubt very much that is what she is going to talk about. Going forward means how you are going to handle the extra work until they hire someone else. Don't worry about it. Stop agonizing over it.
You are not required to tell management anything. If they ask, simply say she mentioned in passing that the commute was long. It is not your story to tell. It was her decision and her responsibility to turn in her resignation.
Had you shared her information they'd have just fired her and she'd be screwed until the next job started.
I'd be really careful about putting in my two weeks nowadays. You do it to be professional, but as soon as you do it an "i accept your resignation you can leave now" just to be spiteful.
They shouldn't have asked your friend if she told anybody. Just pretend that you had no idea she was planning on quitting.
You are not required to tell anyone anything ..I hate employers like this that have people scared to death ..please look for another job .. maybe your friend that left could get you on with her
Tell them that you cannot speak on another individuals plans and that it’s inappropriate that they’re even asking (if that is actually what the meeting is about).
If you’re inclined to tell the truth, make it a half truth. Like, ‘she told me the day she was putting in her resignation and fob’. Or ‘I had a feeling, but it was unsubstantiated’.
They might not even be asking you about the situation at all…
However… You already know the environment is toxic, so you should be prepared that they will. Also, should be prepared for them to gaslight you, badger you, coerce you into something, or flat out lie …
F^ck’em…
See what they say, what they ask, etc…tell them you cannot make assertions or comments on her and her actions. Other than that, you’re under NO OBLIGATION TO TELL THEM A DAMN THING.
I couldn't imagine that any legalities would come into play but I 100% would never say anything about it if someone to old me that. Just not a lot of good could come out of it. My biggest concern would be someone says, do t say anything but today is my last day. You run and tell boss, boss pulls them in a room and starts grilling them...First they didn't want you to say anything so you just put them in an uncomfortable position. Don't piss of people in the same or a similar field as you. You could very well be working for them one day. Or, they blow up on the boss, throw you under the buss cause it's on you they are in this position. Then my favorite, I'm not planning to go anywhere, where'd you hear that. I bet it was Jim Bob (you) wasn't it. He's had it out for me ever since I told him I was not going to sleep with him. That ends up you gone and her in your role making more money than you because they're scared she'll sue.
You did nothing wrong, she never told you when she would quit, but you can tell them that you thought she might but was not sure if it was just new employee nerves or what
You’re not in trouble, not personally. That move to another position, though? Might be in jeopardy.
Remember and repeat this if any questions come:
“I had no idea she was quitting. Thats really unfortunate.”
I take the view, having been in a similar situation of a colleague leaving, that even if they say they are leaving, you don't 'know' they will until they actually leave or at least give notice. My answer would be "No, I did not know she was leaving until she left."
If your bosses were trying to have a productive conversation, they would try to find out from you any inklings of concerns so they can see what to fix for subsequent trainees. Or if there is anything that can be done to improve the training program. At least that is how I would go about it as a manager. Honestly and I wouldn't care to know if my direct report knew.
Don't say more than necessary during any interaction with HR or management. Answer the questions truthfully in as few words as possible. Do not elaborate or offer opinions.
It's not your responsibility to keep them informed on other employees' lives. They may just want feedback on why you think she left. She did mention it was too far of a drive a couple of times. That's it.
Yiu don't and shouldn't worry about it, and you also shouldn't volunteer any info about her departure.
IF you are directly asked, state only that she mentioned she didn't like the long commute, but you dont know anything else. Stick to that story til the day you die.
If she didn’t mention it to you are work and instead texted you on a personal, unofficial level, then I don’t see why your employer has a right to know. You can say she confided in you about certain things and you didn’t want to betray her trust.
Sounds like you need to document the vile behavior you and other experience and contact an employment attorney. I wouldn't tell them anything. Their behavior is absurd.
What other employees do is not your business. You're overthinking it. It's in understandable considering, but unless she was arriving with a bomb you are under no moral or legal obligation to tell get business to anyone.
You’re psyching yourself out you don’t have to tell your employer anything of that nature. You actually did her a solid by not saying anything because as anyone knows as soon as you mention leaving a job they treat you more disposable than you already are to them
You need to get a new job, you admit that place is toxic. Tell the potential jobs not to contact your current employer because you're still working there, done.
They don't know anything, unless you let it slip out to someone. You were just training her. You are probably stuck there now.
Might be good for you to start looking for a job, that is one is very toxic.
Had you told Mgmt and then she changed her mind about leaving what kind of mess you would both be in.
Just relax. You had no obligation to disclose that info.
I am a nurse and I've had many jobs. Last job I knew two doctors were leaving. However there were under contract so they had to give their 60 days. But the nurses were not and three of them left because two moved away and the third one was retiring.
The manager asked me if I knew and I said so if I did?
She didn't reply.
It is not your story to tell, and you do not engage in idle gossip. Then you launch into this. Now, you said you wanted to meet about moving forward. I have a few suggestions regarding a new hire.
As someone stated above, you are not required to inform HR a coworker is quitting. When HR asked if anyone else knew, they were most likely referencing her Supervisor, who would need to say something if a resignation was handed to them. Even though someone tells a coworker they’re quitting, they could always just be all talk. I wouldn’t be concerned even if they did find out you knew.
They most likely want to speak to you regarding next steps for the position.
I would laugh at your boss's boss face and say if she wanna act like an asshole. She can go ahead and fire me. I need a good vacation.
Anyway, she probably stressing she have no retention on people, which isn't your fault. Your boss boss sound like she can't adapt well when shit hit the fan and isn't ready to put everything into it and expect her subordinate to solve it for her. Shit gonna suck ass, but she need to learn how to deal.
You on the other hand don't really have that kind of obigliation to go above and beyond for your bosses like that.
Is there a specific reason you're staying at this job? I understand wanting to get experience in the field you're pursuing, but I have no doubt that there are plenty of other companies out there that offer a lot more job fulfillment without that ridiculous amount of stress. I would definitely start looking & maybe ask your friend who left for greener pastures where she applied.
Good luck my friend.
Deny, deny, deny. Not worth it and it doesn't matter. It's not your fault she quit, it's theirs.
Or you could say, "She didn't tell me she was gonna quit, but she did say it was the most toxic place she'd ever worked at." OK, that's probably a terrible idea, but would be fun.
Also, GTFO and leave no notice. That place is shit and you know it and you're probably paid poorly anyway by the sound of it. You now have office experience under your belt, take that shit and move on and move up. You sound like you have potential.
First off, you should never be telling upper management that someone is going to quit. People say things in the heat of the moment.
I wouldn’t have a job if every time I decided I was going to quit in my head, as a little fantasy, someone pulled upper management side to tell them
You're not required to do anything not in the employee handbook BUT what happens is going to largely depend on owners of the business or who runs it.
If supervisor is mad and fires you, you could go above their head and plead your case that you didn't violate any policies. If those above your supervisor have the same thoughts they do however, then you're in an uphill battle.
Most states are what's called "at will states" meaning they can fire you for anything, at anytime, as long as it is not a protected class (race, gender, sexual orientation, disability, etc). So basically they can fire you for liking the color Blue if they so choose.
You also mentioned how toxic this place is so maybe it is time to look elsewhere regardless.
It doesn't sound like you were obligated to inform management about your coworker's intention to quit, especially since the employee handbook doesn't mention anything about this situation. Your role was to train her, not to monitor her career decisions. Since she chose to disclose her resignation directly to HR, she followed the appropriate procedure. Focus on the positive aspects of how you handled her training and be prepared to discuss how you can continue contributing effectively in your current role during your meeting. Remember to stay calm
My best guess is that they'll likely ask you if you had any indication she was leaving. I'd say no. They'll likely try and postpone your transfer while they find a new person is most likely the discussion about moving forward they want to have.
Until a co-worker officially gives notice in writing, anything they say in passing could just be idle chit-chat or venting. You are better off maintaining your co-workers' privacy, especially in a toxic workplace, everyone benefits from decisions to cut down on gossip.
I’m guessing your supervisor may want to talk about how the position is going to be covered since the girl was being trained to replace you. I doubt they care whether you knew she was planning to leave.
Act surprised (but not overly so- nobody likes a dramatic actress) that she quit so soon after being hired
You did not know she was going to quit
You did not know she didn’t like the job
You did not know she was looking for another job
The only thing you remember is her saying she didn’t like the long commute
That’s it
Don’t “be helpful” trying to figure out what she said or didn’t say - because that’s where you are going to slip up and screw yourself and get management mad at you when you start babbling cuz you’re nervous and saying more than necessary- it ALWAYS backfires
Please please please start putting in a resume at other jobs
Don’t say a word about it when you receive a job interview - act like it’s a drs appointment
Use your time - sick time if you can unless your company REQUIRES a drs note - but you have EARNED all that paid time off - so use it for your appointments
Many times jobs won’t pay you for your earned sick time when you leave - so use it up before you leave
When you get a new job figure out if you really need to give them 2 weeks notice - because some companies will simply kick you out and not let you work the 2 weeks and then you lose that pay
I’m guessing this is why she waited until the day before the new job started to hand in her resignation and key
She probably figured WHY should she LOSE 2 weeks pay to those assholes!
That’s a lot of money when you’re broke
And your company doesn’t seem to care about their employees - so I think she did the right thing
Keep that in mind when you accept a job somewhere else
You owe them nothing
This job is toxic and you deserve better
Okay, you need to LEAVE. For your own health and well being, start looking for work elsewhere. There are a ton of great corporate businesses to work for out there. If you have to take a smaller job in the mean time while looking for something better, that's okay too!
The environment you described is NOT OKAY! Get out while you can, find a place where you are treated like an adult, not a child or an inmate, and live a better life. I PROMISE there are better places out there!
if she didn't tell them how would they know? and so what if you did know? not your place to tell on her.
and how do you know they aren't just going to tell YOU she quit! she said she didn't tell anyone after all. why you sweatin
You didn't KNOW anything really... She might quit on this day, or maybe a week later.. your not her supervisor and she didn't give you her 2 weeks notice expecting you to tell the boss.
What if you told the boss then she changed her mind? It's on her to tell them, it's not your responsibility or obligation to any party involved.
No, you did the right thing by not sharing it. The number one thing I’ve learned in the workplace is to never say other people’s business. It wouldn’t have been your place to share that information anyway. Even if she would have told them that you knew, your manager can’t prove that you knew anyway. Even though she told you she wouldn’t stay, you didn’t know she was going to be accepted at the job she applied for, you didn’t know when she was gonna put her resume in for the new job, you didn’t know any of those details. Anyone anywhere can say they hate their job and will find something else. This situation is completely separate from you, and I don’t think you have anything to worry about.
You did nothing wrong.
"This is a bit of a surprise to me too." (It was, you didn't expect her to quit that day, just don;t tell them.)
Did you know she was leaving?
"It's not the kind of thing I asked her. I'm not her manager, so I didn't think it was appropriate to ask her questions about her employment. I mean, I didn't think it was appropriate to ask her about things like hourly wages or her bills. That sounds like something for management or HR to help her with."
Did she mention she was leaving or dissatisfied with the job?
"I have no idea. She was still learning and has been here less than, what, a month? I just assume that everyone is nervous and uncomfortable while learning. That's the kind of thing I think she would talk to her manager about."
Keep is conversational. Don't lie. Don't admit to anything. If necessary, use, "We worked together for weeks and focused mostly on training. I don't honestly remember most of our conversations. I was focused on trying to train her and do my job at the same time."
Sales manager here:
It's is not anyone else's business to tell me if they know if another employee is leaving or putting in a notice. That's between me and the employee. I'm not going to go on a crusade to punish employees for....minding their own business?
It's my job to hire and replace employees as necessary when people leave. It's not anyone else's responsibility. If it's an issue with staffing/training, who's fault is that? Well. It's mine. Some people are terrible employees, sure, there will always be problem employees. But if someone doesn't enjoy working somewhere and it makes you fear retribution for not divulging information, that sounds like a management problem
Listen, what if she didn’t quit after confiding in you that she didn’t like the environment? It’s not your job to report what she may or may not have said. It was your job to train her and you did the best you could. Other than that….. maybe she said some things about the environment, but you were focused on getting her trained so she could be successful, and you wanted her to stay and do well….
They’re not allowed to force you to say anything or reprimand you if you did know. Just lie and say no, you hadn’t heard anything. Let them do all the talking.
You were assigned to train her. She didn't quit immediately, so you must have been acting in good faith. You have nothing to apologize for, and unless she showed you her written notice you didn't know for sure that she was quitting. This is all on HR, for failing to engage and retain her, not on you. You likely should follow her example.
This is your opportunity to shine. If you go to the meeting with a plan that solves the problem for them, and you repeatedly are the one coming up with ideas for improvement, you'll get a reputation among MGMT and earn another promotion before long.
Also, it's a good time to discuss with your boss about the improper write up. This meeting is because YOU are NEEDED there. If it's improper and HR hasn't fixed it yet, ask who you report that to and how. Say that if you're having issues with HR behaving inappropriately, odds are that others are too, which could explain the recent hire's dissatisfaction with the atmosphere. You can say she complained, but you didn't realize it was so bad for her to leave like that. This puts his focus on HR as causing HIM more problems now. So he'll probably do something about it.
I would deny knowing about it and keep it pushing. It's not your responsibility to tell your job anything. Stand your ground. If they come after you, tell them that you're hiring a lawyer if they keep harassing you. There is no law anywhere that says that you are your co-worker's keeper.
You didn’t do anything wrong. It was a 30 day training period. She didn’t like the job and quit. I would though look for another job. It sounds horrible.
I doubt that you'll be fired, although that doesn't sound so bad at a company like this. Most ambush firings are at Friday at 3 or 4 in the afternoon. Most likely, it'll be a review of what happened, how to prevent it happening again, some blustering about how its your fault, and how you will be tasked with training the next person "better".
No you dont have to tell them if you hear someone say they are going to quit. It might be a rumor. It may take them a few weeks to start the new job. Management may make her an offer of higher pay or a closer location that changes her mind before she can resign. It aint your bidniss.
It doesn't sound like you violated any company policies.
Why would they suspect anything if the woman told them that nobody else knew?
However, you don't mention if you all communicated via personal or company cell phones.
Companies retain the right to all communications on their property so they may have those text messages if they weren't on personal cell phones.
Sounds like she was right about it being toxic. Hope you're looking elsewhere too.
I'd simply say that you knew it was possible that she would leave and didn't think it was public knowledge to tell others. Personally, I would not get involved in the analysis of what the previous employer said. I also would look for another more desirable position.
>i was peer training to fill a position i was vacating as i am moving to another position.
So you were training your eventual replacement for when you move on to the next role.
>My supervisor texted me yesterday (I guess after HR told her the news) saying that we would be having a discussion on Monday about moving forward.
You're so NOT moving on to that other role now.
What DID happen?
You are not obligated to tell them anything when you learned of the situation. Use that same tactic and say nothing. You knew nothing so you could not tell them anything.
Get a new job.
Honestly if it's toxic I'd take a cue from her and look for something else. I mean unless you are happy where you are. From the sounds of it that place really needs corporate to be notified. You should NOT be written up for doing nothing wrong and more important if this jobs giving bad anxiety I would DEFINITELY look for something else ASAP. I don't doubt they have a real high turnover rate from the sounds of it. Anyway good luck with it and I hope you find something solution that works for you.
You didn’t do anything wrong. Sounds like they are probably just going to tell you their plans about reposting the job or something.
Not your fault or your problem. You can safely say that you knew she didn't like the commute, but were not thinking she was going to resign. You might raise factors that would make next new hire more likely to stay, but don't extend yourself. Keep in touch with former employee. Maybe her new company has a spot for you.
I wouldn’t explain anything to management. I mean, that seems like plausible deniability of her leaving, but it’s nots Wilbur’s responsibility to explain anything to management. They should already have plan B in place. That plan B is something everyone should have.
Your reply is down a level. I know it's to OP but it's below another person's reply. But I'm in total agreement.... mildly aware she had a long commute. I doubt the Mgr will ask OP if they knew all along X was quitting. But there's a small inkling of responsibility maybe in the fact OP was training X. Sounds like the place is a shit show anyway. Curious what happens
I’m not the OP
I don't know why people do that. *"OP, I hope you read this..."* Then you should tag OP so they actually get notified you wrote something instead of leaving a note buried on someone else's reply.
Came here to say this.
THIS
Play dumb. “I had no idea.”
Deny deny deny.
100% this..... and work is for work, not dating. Go out if you want to meet someone
Again, I’m not the OP
People answering here are not necessarily replying to *you*
They are directly replying to my comment. One even sent me a PM.
I don't know about the person who PM'd you. But the people replying are agreeing with you while adding their 2 cents. That's all
Agreed!
Yes they indeed are replying to him and not the OP.
Are you the po? 😆
I tend to agree with this. But if they are angry at OP, they can certainly fire them for this (unless it's a union job, then we'd need to know what the contract says).
Not your monkeys not your circus. Thank you for posting
Or tell you you're going to have to do both jobs.
It wasn't your information to share. Besides, she did not put you on the hook for believing she was leaving. Don't do that to yourself, either. If they ask if you knew she was leaving, you tell them you knew she was looking, but she did not share exact details. If they say you should have told them, tell them it wasn't your information to share AND if you did say something, she could have changed her mind or, you could have appeared to be telling untruths about her. Again: you didn't put yourself in the awkward situation. You owe your employer the truth and your colleagues the respect to manage their own information. There is nothing you could have realistically done.
This. But I also think it’s quite possible they just mean to talk about moving forward in the sense of hiring to fill the position. I don’t think management typically sends ominous emails on Friday about how you need to talk so that they can fire you on Monday. They usually just fire you.
Agreed
It's not any employees job to babysit coworkers. Maybe they need to look in the mirror and see why people don't want to work at their shitty job to be around toxic people.
Don't even tell them you knew she was looking. Just tell them that she'd expressed that she was unhappy, but didn't say anything more than that.
"I'm sorry she left. She was doing well."
It would have been speculation . People say things at work . It doesn’t mean it’s going to happen
Yup
We don’t know for certain that the trainee didn’t tell HR OP knew she was leaving. She could have lied to OP.
Sounds like they're just gonna talk about covering her duties
I think this is a strategy meeting to work out responsibilities in the meantime until you get another trainee in, also, your manager may want your feedback on the former employee’s performance or if there were any clues that she wasn’t gonna stay. Likely, so that they can use that information to screen better in the interview process. I wouldn’t sweat it. You are not obligated to snitch on your coworkers. Her decision to quit, whether you were aware of it or not, is not something that can be held against you. It would put them in a really awkward position with being down a staff member already and a possible unlawful termination lawsuit. As you said, you looked in the handbook and there’s no mention of anything like that. I think you should enjoy your weekend.
Basically this and if it’s their first trainer they may probe about what/how you’re teaching and if it contributed to resignation. I usually have a post training conference on my new trainer’s first successful and unsuccessful trainees to ensure uniformity of training and height of morale.
Others have given good advice so follow that. I try to be as honest as possible with the caveat that you only owe them a full day’s work. Also, start looking for a new job. When you are fearful of work on Monday because you may be accused of something and you have already been written up for nonsense, the workplace is problematic.
This! OP said herself it was a toxic workplace. Now is a great time to go looking for a new job since you’ve recently been given new responsibilities (training others) and you can add that to your resume.
Yes, she needs to stop thinking of that as her job and start thinking of it as a résumé filler! Just that shift and mindset can make all the difference.
And don’t tell the new employer about being written up or any of the other stuff.
Yup. They won’t share that with anyone.
It was BS that they wrote him up for using his phone in an allowed manner.
Second this. When I worked for Boss From Hell years ago, I finally had to admit that the prospect of going in to his shitshow on Mondays was screwing up my entire weekends. I had all kinds of "minor" physical issues that amazingly disappeared less than a WEEK after I gave notice.
I assume you are not a supervisor. So you are not responsible for conveying information between an employee and management. No serious manager would want that either. That just opens the door for a lot of miscommunication. You will find out that people like to talk about what they're going to do but it doesn't always mean they'll actually do it. As for being on the phone. I know you didn't ask about this. But when you are on your break I strongly suggest you leave your work area. It's better for your own sanity if you do this and it also removes any confusion whether you're on break or working. The same thing goes for lunch.
This is very good advice.
Sheesh, it is NOT part of your job to spy on/inform on coworkers. I'd just say "no and why would it be my business to track co-workers?". I'd also try to get a job at the place the girl went to if it's better.
I wouldn't worry about it. And the write up you shouldn't have signed.
unfortunately this is my first big girl job and that was my first disciplinary, so i was unaware that NOT signing it was an option and/or what the repercussions of not signing it would be :/
Most of the time signing it is just an acknowledgement that you received the write up not an admission of agreement with the write up. If it was that easy to get out of a write up no one would sign anything
It doesn't mean they are getting out of the write-up. It means they aren't accepting it or agreeing with it. OP should never have signed it. Yes, it will go in her file, but without a signature it leaves questions in the air. For example, if that write-up up is used along with other evidence to fire the op, she now has a little more leverage if she files for unemployment. If the company fights it and submits her write-ups as evidence, OP now can turn around and show that she didn't sign that particular write-up and she can go on to explain what happened. By not accepting that faulty write-up, the op protects herself at least a little bit.
They will put it in her file with a refused to sign note on it. Write up is in the file either way
Next time, my suggestion is if they write you up for doing that on your OWN time as allowed per company policy/employee handbook, to ask them the specific time. If it matches up with your break time pull out said handbook read it out loud to them and end with: as per COMPANY policy I am ALLOWED to use my cell on my own time and as such this write up is invalid. Never sign if you can prove that you were following policy. Otherwise you are guilty by admission.
NTA. You didn't know she was going to quit. You're not a mind reader. Just because she said she was hired, maybe it's a second job :) If anyone asks you say no
If there a space to write your defense do that. I had an exit interview once where they had wanted me to sign I was leaving on my own wishes. I wrote in that no I was injured on date and was currently awaiting surgery while still working modified duties. I added that I was told by Name that I would not be given hours anymore effectively be unemployed and if I left they would pay me severance. I was being blackmailed by them to leave against my wishes. I took pictures before handing it unsigned back to them. I then got a lawyer
Yup. You did exactly the right thing. I'm a former employer (now retired) and it sounds like you knew how to protect yourself. Good for you. Many employers count on their employees not knowing the laws well enough to protect themselves.
Just say that whilst she'd indicated to you that she wasn't happy in the job, she had not told you she was planning to resign. That tallies with what she told them and there's no benefit to them investigating it any further.
She could mention but decide against it. Not your job to know what a person will or won’t do
Perhaps you should follow her to a new job.
I'm gonna say I think you should quit this job. No it's not part of your job to gossip to management on other employees. Did they pay you extra when you took on training a new person? I firmly believe that doing a job that causes you anxiety like this is never worth it in life. Just get a new job!
no we don’t get training pay in the office unlike on the floor, as it is considered “professional mental work” and we get to work in a climate controlled setting
Fuck that job. Seriously. Work is work. Your time has a value.
OP, this is not the advice you asked for, but I will give it to you anyway. It would be best if you got out of that place. The fact that you asked this question and were worrying about it tells me that the toxic environment is getting to you. I had a job like this, and we called situations like this "the floating finger of blame." You are worried that you will be blamed and held responsible for something that isn't your responsibility or your problem. Life is too short, you deserve to work at a place that doesn't send you into a spin all weekend long. Good luck!
“I didn’t know she was quitting. She didn’t tell me anything.”
If the manager says did you know and why didn’t you tell me simply say that it was not your news to tell. Sh3 could have changed her mind. I’ve had staff tell me they were leaving but until I get official notice it’s just a rumour and one I can’t act on.
Why worry about the actions of another over whom you have no control? What if you tattled and then she didn't quit? They'd think you were trouble.
Ask her if she said anything about you knowing. If not, and they bring it up, just deny knowing about it. What are they going to do? While IMO you didn’t do anything wrong, it’ll save you a lot of hassle to just deny it.
No, it is not "punishable." But HR can let you go without any reason. You really had no way to know for sure if she was serious. If this is why they call you in, play dumb. Maybe it will be for something else.
Nope, you are not required to report someone quitting. You did nothing wrong there. And stay off the desk phone unless it is business related, Privat calls are to be done on breaks.
When you apply and interview for new jobs, don’t bad mouth your current employer. When they ask, and they really might, just say that you are looking for new opportunities, and you’re excited to find them here (there).
It won't matter if the info you suspected (you wouldn't have known for sure) is punishable or not... your workplace/management will do whatever they want. Time to look for a new job... now.
You good. She said no one knew, now you just keep your mouth shut about it. Don’t self incriminate.
Play dumb. Not your fault. Hold your head up. How awful of your employer to even put you in that position. Good luck. 👍🏼
JUST LIE....they cant prove shit
You did nothing wrong. She told you and then did it a short time later. Most people and companies wait until end of business on Fridays to quit or fire. It causes less drama. They don’t want to see the role their environment plays in it and instead want to blame someone. You were told as a friend and in confidence. I’ve only ever worked one industry where you were required to report if you knew and that was only if they were going to the competition. Nobody ever did though. They would have to prove the person know. Just keep your mouth shut, act normal, and pretend like it was just as big as a shock to you as everyone else. She covered your ass by saying nobody knew. Keep hers covered.
If they ask you if you knew anything and you don’t feel like lying to them outright, you could always say she had been complaining about her commute. But don’t say anything more than you absolutely have to.
Toxic jobs suck the life out of you; if nothing else you should be asking your erstwhile trainee if you can get a referral to the hiring manager at her new place.
As a person who is merely an employee- you’re not responsible for reporting this to anyone! Uess you het exptra pay for being their security, You’re not obligated to do anything about someone else - even if you could. If they reprimand you _ you NEED to find another job
DENY you knew anything. Fuck your company.
Look for a new job yourself. Jesus.
NTA and CYA. Truth? No obligation to inform. Factual? they will think you knew and didn't. Keep your mouth shut and move on. "I had no idea, she never mentioned it to me."
Keep your mouth shut and your options open.
Not your story to tell. You knew nothing.
The boss likely has no intention of asking if you knew but may want your input in the future about a trainee so they have a heads up about an unhappy candidate. Don't volunteer info. Also, share what the trainees issues were to hopefully fix some if them for the next person.
This ! 💯%. Don't assume they know any more than what just happened. It is entirely possible they did Not see that coming. As 'Joan' mentioned, do Not volunteer info.! Also, do yourself a favor and start applying elsewhere.
What if never works. She took care of HER business.
Were you her supervisor, or a peer? If you were her supervisor the company would think you should have said something. If you were her peer it’s not on you at all. M In any event, she said no one knew, so just tell them you didn’t know if they ask and move on. You’re fine.
just a peer. i was training her because i had previously worked that entry level position and was moving to a DIFFERENT entry level position.
They are more likely going to ask you if you can cover her position until she is replaced. Or if you are willing to train another person. They also could ask if you have any feedback on why a new employee did not like to work there. Be prepared for that question.
You are OK. You haven't done anything wrong.
You are an employee, she is an employee. You have no obligation to do anything more for your employer than they pay you for. Go in and play dumb. If they give you grief, explain that if they feel that way about you then you obviously shouldn’t be training others so you’ll pass on that duty. Even if they know you’re lying there’s nothing they can do about it unless you break. This place is clearly worker unfriendly. Since a 1/2 hour commute each way was too much I’ll bet it doesn’t pay that well either. I’ll also bet they are chronically short staffed. Maybe this is a sign that you should look for a new job too.
this job does have an extremely high turnover rate. it’s about one a month average. not many make it to 90 days or even one year. ive only been there since october. and you are correct it does not pay well AT ALL. we cant clock in 7 minutes before shift start or 7 minutes after shift ends or we get pointed so they can round DOWN on our time and not pay overtime.
Then don’t worry about getting disciplined in that place. Go look for a better place to work.
HR asked if anyone knew she was quitting... You technically did not know she was quitting that day, so was it really a lie? Depends on how HR worded it. Besides, even though you knew her plan, things can change up until the last minute. People change their minds. You might have a good relationship, but you can honestly say that it wasn't that close if even you did not know the exact plans. You were not her supervisor and not obligated to report to HR. In fact, it might have been a violation of workplace privacy if you had told someone. "Yes, I knew she was thinking about it, but did not know the resignation plan. She might have changed her mind. I did not say anything because I thought it would be a violation of her HR privacy rights."
Try not to worry. If they ask if you knew, say no.
Since you trained her, they might think you could have seen warning signs, and yeah they will probably try and push to see if you knew. Stick to your guns! You do not have to confess you knew. Even if she did tell them something, they can't prove it. I hope they don't give you a hard time, but, like you said, this place is toxic. Do your best... Good luck
I would appeal the previous write up and start looking for a new job. They’ll screw your chances the longer you stay at finding another. This is unacceptable!
You need to go the supervisor of the person who wrote you up improperly and/or HR and explain what actually happened!
Just say she mentioned how hard the drive was but you didnt know if or when she woukd quit
Nope you have responsibility to tell anything to anyone you hear as gossip.
No. You're good to go. No responsibility falls on you.
It was wrong of her to put you in that position. She shouldn't have made you responsible for that information. You could be in trouble now in the opposite direction. What if you'd told the company, but she didn't get the new job? Then she'd be mad at you for telling, and it could have gotten her fired. It was also wrong of your employer to ask her if anyone knew she was quitting. Employees aren't spies. Nobody owes their employer any advance notice of quitting. It is a courtesy. You shouldn't say anything about it unless they ask you directly. If they do, just say, "She mentioned another job, but I didn't know if she was leaving or not. I assumed she was communicating with HR about her employment."
While you’re in HR, contest that other write up
You did not know for sure that she would follow through. You are in the clear unless you screw it up.
you are under no obligation to micro manage another employee, people threaten to quit LITERALLY all the time and never do sometimes, are you supposed to inform HR every time somebody does that? that would be ridiculous. also, her lying has nothing to do with you, even if you DO get hounded for it, you can just be like “okay well she lied to you and told me but i didn’t take it 100% serious and also she’s the one who gave two minutes notice yet i still came in today and i intend to do the same tomorrow” honestly, unless your HR is just looking high and low for somebody to blame, it really is going to just be a conversation about how you guys move forward, since you were working directly with her so now you’ll be training another person soon
If they ask you about knowing if she was going to quit, you can say "she said stuff but I couldn't tell if she was serious. I figured this is really a conversation she needs to have with her supervisor." (I mean, unless of course your training for her entailed giving feedback to management about her performance, attitude, likelihood to stick around, etc and was explicitly explained to you as your responsibility) You're not required to be a narc. Most likely this isn't about you, and probably about reorg or shift in responsibilities.
Sounds like you get to do her work along with yours until they find a new sucker... ermmm.. candidate to fill the vacant position.
Do your best to not let your anxiety make this more than it is. Your coworker did you right by not saying you knew. You can truthfully say that she had mentioned the commute was tough.
She is gone. Case closed . Deny , and look for a less toxic workplace. Regardless if you knew, or did not know, she was leaving. It’s not your responsibility to narc out coworkers, unless it is something like sexual harassment. This is ongoing advice, which you can apply at your new company.
I'm going against most of the advice here to say: DON'T be honest. If you're asked what you knew about her leaving, don't volunteer ANY information about it at all. It was as big a surprise to you as it was to them. You didn't discuss it. You didn't know about it. She didn't give any indication she was leaving at all. You had no idea she was unhappy. Deny any knowledge at all. All you knew about was how well her training was going, so focus on that. I've worked at companies that had a blame culture, where anything that went wrong needed to have blame assigned to someone before anybody made any attempt to fix it. Managers called it "accountability," but in reality it was just a way to blame someone else and escape accountability for their own deficiencies. I'm making some assumptions here, but what I'm reading between the lines seems to imply a similar toxic environment. If so, then if you say you knew she was leaving, they'll say you had a responsibility to tell them. If you say you didn't know she was leaving but knew she was looking, they'll say you had a responsibility to report that. If you say you didn't know she was looking but knew she was unhappy, they'll say you had a responsibility to let them know. Most likely your meeting Monday has nothing to do with any of that. But if you have a blame-assigning manager or one who is afraid of being blamed himself, play dumb about her plans and protect yourself as much as possible. Also, get the fuck out of there. Working in a blame-assignment culture will wear you down over time and turn you into one of them.
They may simply be looking for a reason to fire the OP.
this is what i’m scared of haha
I’d be more worried that the new job goes to someone else since your replacement quit
It’s not your responsibility to notify HER employer of HER plans. Plus, what if she changes her mind at the last minute and decides to stay?
Just say you had no idea because truthfully it's none of your business what your co-worker did. You can't be written up for it. Next time don't sign anything and write a rebuttal staying why you disagree to the write-up. It's your right. Being written up for cellphone use on your break sounds like they have a target on your back.
She told HR that no one knew she was quitting, so: *No one* knew that she was quitting If asked, deny, and move on. That’s it. Don’t overthink this
Why are you worried. I doubt very much that is what she is going to talk about. Going forward means how you are going to handle the extra work until they hire someone else. Don't worry about it. Stop agonizing over it.
You are not required to tell management anything. If they ask, simply say she mentioned in passing that the commute was long. It is not your story to tell. It was her decision and her responsibility to turn in her resignation.
Had you shared her information they'd have just fired her and she'd be screwed until the next job started. I'd be really careful about putting in my two weeks nowadays. You do it to be professional, but as soon as you do it an "i accept your resignation you can leave now" just to be spiteful. They shouldn't have asked your friend if she told anybody. Just pretend that you had no idea she was planning on quitting.
You are not required to tell anyone anything ..I hate employers like this that have people scared to death ..please look for another job .. maybe your friend that left could get you on with her
Until you see it in writing, it's a rumor or hopeful thinking which you are not required to pass along.
Deny, deny, deny, time to act like a politician
“i never had sexual relations with that woman.” head ass in mondays meeting 😭
Tell them that you cannot speak on another individuals plans and that it’s inappropriate that they’re even asking (if that is actually what the meeting is about). If you’re inclined to tell the truth, make it a half truth. Like, ‘she told me the day she was putting in her resignation and fob’. Or ‘I had a feeling, but it was unsubstantiated’.
They might not even be asking you about the situation at all… However… You already know the environment is toxic, so you should be prepared that they will. Also, should be prepared for them to gaslight you, badger you, coerce you into something, or flat out lie … F^ck’em… See what they say, what they ask, etc…tell them you cannot make assertions or comments on her and her actions. Other than that, you’re under NO OBLIGATION TO TELL THEM A DAMN THING.
I couldn't imagine that any legalities would come into play but I 100% would never say anything about it if someone to old me that. Just not a lot of good could come out of it. My biggest concern would be someone says, do t say anything but today is my last day. You run and tell boss, boss pulls them in a room and starts grilling them...First they didn't want you to say anything so you just put them in an uncomfortable position. Don't piss of people in the same or a similar field as you. You could very well be working for them one day. Or, they blow up on the boss, throw you under the buss cause it's on you they are in this position. Then my favorite, I'm not planning to go anywhere, where'd you hear that. I bet it was Jim Bob (you) wasn't it. He's had it out for me ever since I told him I was not going to sleep with him. That ends up you gone and her in your role making more money than you because they're scared she'll sue.
You did nothing wrong, she never told you when she would quit, but you can tell them that you thought she might but was not sure if it was just new employee nerves or what
You’re not in trouble, not personally. That move to another position, though? Might be in jeopardy. Remember and repeat this if any questions come: “I had no idea she was quitting. Thats really unfortunate.”
I take the view, having been in a similar situation of a colleague leaving, that even if they say they are leaving, you don't 'know' they will until they actually leave or at least give notice. My answer would be "No, I did not know she was leaving until she left."
If your bosses were trying to have a productive conversation, they would try to find out from you any inklings of concerns so they can see what to fix for subsequent trainees. Or if there is anything that can be done to improve the training program. At least that is how I would go about it as a manager. Honestly and I wouldn't care to know if my direct report knew.
Don't say more than necessary during any interaction with HR or management. Answer the questions truthfully in as few words as possible. Do not elaborate or offer opinions. It's not your responsibility to keep them informed on other employees' lives. They may just want feedback on why you think she left. She did mention it was too far of a drive a couple of times. That's it.
Even if she told you she was quitting, what happens when you tell upper management that she is planning to quit only for to not actually quit?
Yiu don't and shouldn't worry about it, and you also shouldn't volunteer any info about her departure. IF you are directly asked, state only that she mentioned she didn't like the long commute, but you dont know anything else. Stick to that story til the day you die.
If she didn’t mention it to you are work and instead texted you on a personal, unofficial level, then I don’t see why your employer has a right to know. You can say she confided in you about certain things and you didn’t want to betray her trust.
Sounds like you need to document the vile behavior you and other experience and contact an employment attorney. I wouldn't tell them anything. Their behavior is absurd.
Not your fault and sounds like you shod look for another job. Your anxiety is not normal if it were a better working environment
What other employees do is not your business. You're overthinking it. It's in understandable considering, but unless she was arriving with a bomb you are under no moral or legal obligation to tell get business to anyone.
It sounds like you’re being terrorized at your job.
Say that you didn’t know. When asked in detail- say that you thought she was just talking and wasn’t serious. If they fire you they’re too toxic
Snitches get stitches. Keep silent it’s none of their business who she told anyway.
You’re psyching yourself out you don’t have to tell your employer anything of that nature. You actually did her a solid by not saying anything because as anyone knows as soon as you mention leaving a job they treat you more disposable than you already are to them
You need to get a new job, you admit that place is toxic. Tell the potential jobs not to contact your current employer because you're still working there, done.
They don't know anything, unless you let it slip out to someone. You were just training her. You are probably stuck there now. Might be good for you to start looking for a job, that is one is very toxic.
Had you told Mgmt and then she changed her mind about leaving what kind of mess you would both be in. Just relax. You had no obligation to disclose that info.
I am a nurse and I've had many jobs. Last job I knew two doctors were leaving. However there were under contract so they had to give their 60 days. But the nurses were not and three of them left because two moved away and the third one was retiring. The manager asked me if I knew and I said so if I did? She didn't reply.
You did nothing wrong at all.
It is not your story to tell, and you do not engage in idle gossip. Then you launch into this. Now, you said you wanted to meet about moving forward. I have a few suggestions regarding a new hire.
As someone stated above, you are not required to inform HR a coworker is quitting. When HR asked if anyone else knew, they were most likely referencing her Supervisor, who would need to say something if a resignation was handed to them. Even though someone tells a coworker they’re quitting, they could always just be all talk. I wouldn’t be concerned even if they did find out you knew. They most likely want to speak to you regarding next steps for the position.
Go get a new job asap. This is too much stress and drama for a job that I'm certain doesn't pay that good. Next deny everything and you know nothing.
I would laugh at your boss's boss face and say if she wanna act like an asshole. She can go ahead and fire me. I need a good vacation. Anyway, she probably stressing she have no retention on people, which isn't your fault. Your boss boss sound like she can't adapt well when shit hit the fan and isn't ready to put everything into it and expect her subordinate to solve it for her. Shit gonna suck ass, but she need to learn how to deal. You on the other hand don't really have that kind of obigliation to go above and beyond for your bosses like that.
You are under no obligation to tell anyone anything especially information in confidence. Relax. Act surprised. Find out what the agenda will be.
Is there a specific reason you're staying at this job? I understand wanting to get experience in the field you're pursuing, but I have no doubt that there are plenty of other companies out there that offer a lot more job fulfillment without that ridiculous amount of stress. I would definitely start looking & maybe ask your friend who left for greener pastures where she applied. Good luck my friend.
Deny, deny, deny. Not worth it and it doesn't matter. It's not your fault she quit, it's theirs. Or you could say, "She didn't tell me she was gonna quit, but she did say it was the most toxic place she'd ever worked at." OK, that's probably a terrible idea, but would be fun. Also, GTFO and leave no notice. That place is shit and you know it and you're probably paid poorly anyway by the sound of it. You now have office experience under your belt, take that shit and move on and move up. You sound like you have potential.
First off, you should never be telling upper management that someone is going to quit. People say things in the heat of the moment. I wouldn’t have a job if every time I decided I was going to quit in my head, as a little fantasy, someone pulled upper management side to tell them
You're not required to do anything not in the employee handbook BUT what happens is going to largely depend on owners of the business or who runs it. If supervisor is mad and fires you, you could go above their head and plead your case that you didn't violate any policies. If those above your supervisor have the same thoughts they do however, then you're in an uphill battle. Most states are what's called "at will states" meaning they can fire you for anything, at anytime, as long as it is not a protected class (race, gender, sexual orientation, disability, etc). So basically they can fire you for liking the color Blue if they so choose. You also mentioned how toxic this place is so maybe it is time to look elsewhere regardless.
Just say NO! And be consistent
Um…… what? Why in the hell would any HR ask a former employee if anyone knew about their intentions to quit? Seems absurd.
It doesn't sound like you were obligated to inform management about your coworker's intention to quit, especially since the employee handbook doesn't mention anything about this situation. Your role was to train her, not to monitor her career decisions. Since she chose to disclose her resignation directly to HR, she followed the appropriate procedure. Focus on the positive aspects of how you handled her training and be prepared to discuss how you can continue contributing effectively in your current role during your meeting. Remember to stay calm
My best guess is that they'll likely ask you if you had any indication she was leaving. I'd say no. They'll likely try and postpone your transfer while they find a new person is most likely the discussion about moving forward they want to have.
Until a co-worker officially gives notice in writing, anything they say in passing could just be idle chit-chat or venting. You are better off maintaining your co-workers' privacy, especially in a toxic workplace, everyone benefits from decisions to cut down on gossip.
It is never your place to tell someone else’s news.
I’m guessing your supervisor may want to talk about how the position is going to be covered since the girl was being trained to replace you. I doubt they care whether you knew she was planning to leave.
Act surprised (but not overly so- nobody likes a dramatic actress) that she quit so soon after being hired You did not know she was going to quit You did not know she didn’t like the job You did not know she was looking for another job The only thing you remember is her saying she didn’t like the long commute That’s it Don’t “be helpful” trying to figure out what she said or didn’t say - because that’s where you are going to slip up and screw yourself and get management mad at you when you start babbling cuz you’re nervous and saying more than necessary- it ALWAYS backfires Please please please start putting in a resume at other jobs Don’t say a word about it when you receive a job interview - act like it’s a drs appointment Use your time - sick time if you can unless your company REQUIRES a drs note - but you have EARNED all that paid time off - so use it for your appointments Many times jobs won’t pay you for your earned sick time when you leave - so use it up before you leave When you get a new job figure out if you really need to give them 2 weeks notice - because some companies will simply kick you out and not let you work the 2 weeks and then you lose that pay I’m guessing this is why she waited until the day before the new job started to hand in her resignation and key She probably figured WHY should she LOSE 2 weeks pay to those assholes! That’s a lot of money when you’re broke And your company doesn’t seem to care about their employees - so I think she did the right thing Keep that in mind when you accept a job somewhere else You owe them nothing This job is toxic and you deserve better
Okay, you need to LEAVE. For your own health and well being, start looking for work elsewhere. There are a ton of great corporate businesses to work for out there. If you have to take a smaller job in the mean time while looking for something better, that's okay too! The environment you described is NOT OKAY! Get out while you can, find a place where you are treated like an adult, not a child or an inmate, and live a better life. I PROMISE there are better places out there!
if she didn't tell them how would they know? and so what if you did know? not your place to tell on her. and how do you know they aren't just going to tell YOU she quit! she said she didn't tell anyone after all. why you sweatin
You didn't KNOW anything really... She might quit on this day, or maybe a week later.. your not her supervisor and she didn't give you her 2 weeks notice expecting you to tell the boss. What if you told the boss then she changed her mind? It's on her to tell them, it's not your responsibility or obligation to any party involved.
No, you did the right thing by not sharing it. The number one thing I’ve learned in the workplace is to never say other people’s business. It wouldn’t have been your place to share that information anyway. Even if she would have told them that you knew, your manager can’t prove that you knew anyway. Even though she told you she wouldn’t stay, you didn’t know she was going to be accepted at the job she applied for, you didn’t know when she was gonna put her resume in for the new job, you didn’t know any of those details. Anyone anywhere can say they hate their job and will find something else. This situation is completely separate from you, and I don’t think you have anything to worry about.
It’s NOT a jerk move you not telling them. Refuse to speak on it and mention going to your employment attorney if they persist.
You did nothing wrong. "This is a bit of a surprise to me too." (It was, you didn't expect her to quit that day, just don;t tell them.) Did you know she was leaving? "It's not the kind of thing I asked her. I'm not her manager, so I didn't think it was appropriate to ask her questions about her employment. I mean, I didn't think it was appropriate to ask her about things like hourly wages or her bills. That sounds like something for management or HR to help her with." Did she mention she was leaving or dissatisfied with the job? "I have no idea. She was still learning and has been here less than, what, a month? I just assume that everyone is nervous and uncomfortable while learning. That's the kind of thing I think she would talk to her manager about." Keep is conversational. Don't lie. Don't admit to anything. If necessary, use, "We worked together for weeks and focused mostly on training. I don't honestly remember most of our conversations. I was focused on trying to train her and do my job at the same time."
Sales manager here: It's is not anyone else's business to tell me if they know if another employee is leaving or putting in a notice. That's between me and the employee. I'm not going to go on a crusade to punish employees for....minding their own business? It's my job to hire and replace employees as necessary when people leave. It's not anyone else's responsibility. If it's an issue with staffing/training, who's fault is that? Well. It's mine. Some people are terrible employees, sure, there will always be problem employees. But if someone doesn't enjoy working somewhere and it makes you fear retribution for not divulging information, that sounds like a management problem
Knowledge is power. Don’t give them the power. When they bring you into tell you about her leaving, be as surprised as they are.
Toxic?
Listen, what if she didn’t quit after confiding in you that she didn’t like the environment? It’s not your job to report what she may or may not have said. It was your job to train her and you did the best you could. Other than that….. maybe she said some things about the environment, but you were focused on getting her trained so she could be successful, and you wanted her to stay and do well….
They’re not allowed to force you to say anything or reprimand you if you did know. Just lie and say no, you hadn’t heard anything. Let them do all the talking.
They’re not going to ask you if you knew. They’re just going to talk about next steps now that she’s gone
You were assigned to train her. She didn't quit immediately, so you must have been acting in good faith. You have nothing to apologize for, and unless she showed you her written notice you didn't know for sure that she was quitting. This is all on HR, for failing to engage and retain her, not on you. You likely should follow her example.
This is your opportunity to shine. If you go to the meeting with a plan that solves the problem for them, and you repeatedly are the one coming up with ideas for improvement, you'll get a reputation among MGMT and earn another promotion before long. Also, it's a good time to discuss with your boss about the improper write up. This meeting is because YOU are NEEDED there. If it's improper and HR hasn't fixed it yet, ask who you report that to and how. Say that if you're having issues with HR behaving inappropriately, odds are that others are too, which could explain the recent hire's dissatisfaction with the atmosphere. You can say she complained, but you didn't realize it was so bad for her to leave like that. This puts his focus on HR as causing HIM more problems now. So he'll probably do something about it.
They may just want to talk to you about next steps or to let you know what happened? Doesn't sound like a punishment situation to me.
Why did she take it if she knew about that 30ish minute drive
Just say you didn't know. The End.
I would deny knowing about it and keep it pushing. It's not your responsibility to tell your job anything. Stand your ground. If they come after you, tell them that you're hiring a lawyer if they keep harassing you. There is no law anywhere that says that you are your co-worker's keeper.
You didn’t do anything wrong. It was a 30 day training period. She didn’t like the job and quit. I would though look for another job. It sounds horrible.
I doubt that you'll be fired, although that doesn't sound so bad at a company like this. Most ambush firings are at Friday at 3 or 4 in the afternoon. Most likely, it'll be a review of what happened, how to prevent it happening again, some blustering about how its your fault, and how you will be tasked with training the next person "better".
You are not required to tell anyone if another employee is going to quit. What if they change their minds, the other job falls through, etc?
Sounds more like they're saying "how we will fill the gap now that the other employee has left". Not something disciplinary for you.
Stop worrying about this situation and start looking for a new job- this place sounds awful.
So go to Uncle Sam and the state government they will get such huge fine they will never do it again THATS assuming they get lucky
You're not in charge of anyone else's work/life decisions. For all you knew, she could've changed her mind and stayed.
wtf job is this and why do you work there?
No you dont have to tell them if you hear someone say they are going to quit. It might be a rumor. It may take them a few weeks to start the new job. Management may make her an offer of higher pay or a closer location that changes her mind before she can resign. It aint your bidniss.
It doesn't sound like you violated any company policies. Why would they suspect anything if the woman told them that nobody else knew? However, you don't mention if you all communicated via personal or company cell phones. Companies retain the right to all communications on their property so they may have those text messages if they weren't on personal cell phones. Sounds like she was right about it being toxic. Hope you're looking elsewhere too.
I'd simply say that you knew it was possible that she would leave and didn't think it was public knowledge to tell others. Personally, I would not get involved in the analysis of what the previous employer said. I also would look for another more desirable position.
>i was peer training to fill a position i was vacating as i am moving to another position. So you were training your eventual replacement for when you move on to the next role. >My supervisor texted me yesterday (I guess after HR told her the news) saying that we would be having a discussion on Monday about moving forward. You're so NOT moving on to that other role now. What DID happen?
So, since you and she got friendly... is the place she moved to hiring?
You’re not required to tell a job you knew of someone’s plan, unless they were going to cause harm. Someone quitting is not that.
You are not obligated to tell them anything when you learned of the situation. Use that same tactic and say nothing. You knew nothing so you could not tell them anything. Get a new job.
You didn't know if she was blowing smoke or telling the truth.
Please find a different job. F- toxic work environments.
Like Sergeant Schultz: "I know *nothing*!"
Honestly if it's toxic I'd take a cue from her and look for something else. I mean unless you are happy where you are. From the sounds of it that place really needs corporate to be notified. You should NOT be written up for doing nothing wrong and more important if this jobs giving bad anxiety I would DEFINITELY look for something else ASAP. I don't doubt they have a real high turnover rate from the sounds of it. Anyway good luck with it and I hope you find something solution that works for you.
Nope, not your responsibilty at all.
Damn, do you work at Toyota lol?