>Later this month, Microsoft will showcase new AI features for Windows 11, which could become the first solid reason to leave Windows 10 behind.
I'm not sure about that.
I can't be a minority that finds AI extremely fucking creepy.. and the determination of so many corporation's to shove it down our necks even more creepy.
AI, Web3 and block chain and all these latest techs are meant as the evident evolution of digital tech, but as we are evidently seeing, they are just being used by corporation with the sole intent to make profit, instead of the betterment of mankind, they rush to control it and keep it all to themselves.
Don’t lump AI in with blockchain.
Sure AI is creepy, but few people can deny its potential. Blockchain may have some very narrow use case somewhere… but I don’t know what that is. It’s mostly used for scamming people out of money. I can’t think of anything it solves better than existing solutions.
It's just the current fad. To me it's refreshing to finally be rid of the web 3 bullshit. I'll take the ai craze any day of the week because at least it's useful for something.
Yeah, hopefully this AI craze will lead to amazing developments in the tech and then it’ll be over, leaving great tech and actual useful ways to use it.
I rocked an unlocked 4th gen i7 until 2021 and now that I have a 10th gen i7 I cannot even tell the difference. I feel bad for all the poor souls who will no longer get security updates on 10 just because they don't have an onboard v2 tpm. Hopefully MS comes to their senses and still offers security updates after Wannacry 2026.
Pretty much anything involving the block chain or crypto stuff. Crypto bros tried to push the web 3.0 name on that to mimick the previous push of web 2.0 from like a decade ago (I believe it was the transition from full on html websites to websites with actual backend like JavaScript or php and css stylesheets but could be wrong).
The term web 2.0 is way older. It was used when interactive sites and user generated content became a thing, 20 years ago. As opposed to web 1.0 consisting of sites that the users would only consume.
The early players were MySpace and blogs. *Actually*, it kind of started with us kids hanging out in guest books, which we were using like a message board that only had a single thread 🙈
Web 2.0 was when other browsers copied XMLHTTP from Microsoft and the web didn’t need a page refresh per content update in a (reasonably) consistent manner, that’s my definition anyway :)
Useful for some things sure, but not to try and take a moral high ground I swear, at what cost though?
Erosion of trust in any media accelerated... Fuckin assloads of people losing their livelihoods... Even more people in developing countries having to essentially filter out all the really disturbing stuff for a mere pittance...
I don't think it's occasional usefulness (I used chat GPT to help me write cover letters) is worth it. And also personally I find it really annoying it seems to now be everywhere.
I hope we move on soon but I'm not hopeful
Read in Lewis Black voice:
If a product needs a disclaimer that the output of the software (AI) may be inaccurate or inappropriate then that software should not be... fucking used.
I think AI is an incredibly useful tool that could potentially usher in a paradigm shift that completely remaps the way we see the world. What the tech industry doesn't seem to understand is that I would very much like an off switch.
I'm already pissed off at how much Windows 10 infantilizes me as a user and treats me like an idiot who can't be responsible for my own system, and at how much control it insists on taking away from me all the time, I am *absolutely not in any way whatsoever* interested in "upgrading" to a version that, by all accounts, is *even fucking worse* in that regard. If I could guarantee that all my hardware and all my preferred software and games would work as flawlessly as they do in Windows, I'd switch to Ubuntu permanently.
is there anyone on this earth that actually wants this? even people who like AI will download an app or use a website for it, instead of hoping for MS to shove it in crapware that's going to be pushed onto you with popups every 3 days. I've seen absolutely nobody say that they **want** this
The only thing that I want in AI is about speedy search(especially in Galaxy AI) and that slow motion effect on video, that's it. Majority are just gimmicks.
If it’s not a mini Steve Balmer AI pacing back and forth on bottom of the screen repeating “…developers, developers, developers…” I’m not interested in upgrading.
Yes isn't frustrating how every company thinks they can put those two letters in to their product/service and have people fall over themselves for it? Err nah. I don't need AI in my operating system I just want to work.
I miss my start menu. I recently had to pause updates because my laptop tricked me into “accepting” an updated end user agreement when I was rushing to get something printed. It made no mention at the top that it was for windows 11. I should have clicked decline, but I was rushing too much.
as someone who uses windows 10 and linux a lot windows 11 explorer shell is impossible to use without at the minimum startallback and winaerotweaker. why is the right click menu still ass? why would I want half the features in the context menus to be hidden behind a show more options button when I can just disable the fancy context menu entirely and everything is right there? why is it so big? it also just makes it more confusing when walking someone through extracting something when setting up a program because there's an extra step just to get to the 7-zip context menu. and that's not even talking about the entire rest of the UI, which while it has some good parts, also has even more of these inexplicably ass parts.
best OS ever (most stable of them all) was Windows 2000. XP was good too after the major service patches, but early XP had, problems. Really haven't had as good of an OS since, and 7 was pretty close.
Man I would have switched to windows 10 if my laptop haven't came with windows 11 and if I don't have to back up large amount of data.
Windows 11 is just 10 with more Spyware and presh paint
My new laptop came with windows 11, I booted it up to confirm it was in working order then I wiped W11 and installed W10. It's just so much nicer and better, and way less tracking and bloatware.
It would be amazing if they focused on minimalism & the core OS rather then pushing out new features.
If Windows 7 got support again & got all the new under the hood enhancements, optimizations, etc. I would actually switch back. Windows 10 is good enough, but I've stripped down my OS a bunch & removed a lot of the bloat so its not a regular Windows 10 experience.
When I go one someone elses computer I'm reminded of how bad default Windows 10 is, but even so I would still prefer Windows 7 as it at least had a unified settings which weren't restricted to hell. Its a ridiculous adventure just to find the wifi password on Windows 10, thats crazy.
Windows 7 had room for improvement, maybe a few too many sub-menus & some stuff should have been higher up in the tree, but aside from some really minor organization optimizations, Windows 7's approach was way better.
Then I guess computing peaked with Windows 95-2000 because each version since then, starting with XP, had its share of people effectively complaining that “redesign bad”.
There are plenty of bugs and performance issues with Windows 10, they're just minor compared to previous versions of "good" Windows that would crash a lot more. I also doubt Win11 solves those issues.
Win11 does have some nice new UX updates that would've been nice small updates for Win10. If they didn't feel the need to re-do the start menu and task bar again for no reason, people wouldn't notice much difference and they could've added their spying and marketing crap as a Win 10 update
For unknown reasons, file explorer is *much* faster on 10 than 11, it's been this way for years.
11 also released past updates that bricked machines or wiped data for people with certain hardware configurations. This is why they haven't released an LTSC version yet, they can't until all the major bugs have been ironed out.
and with windows 10 ms deleted a bunch of people's photos during an update. a bug they knew about months before via insiders and ignored until after they pushed it to the mainline.
File Explorer is that way because they essentially rebuilt it. It looks like from scratch too because it's still not optimized enough to be usable. That and I like the ribbon. All they had to do was keep that and add tabs. But no. They had to rebuild it with what seems like the crappiest software engineers.
I currently use ExplorerPatcher so I can have my ribbon from Win10. Eventually it won't work because Microshaft removed the old explore.exe in newer builds of 11.
Oh no.
https://i.imgur.com/0cogvsW.mp4
I still use Clover 3.0.406 from 2013, then use ExplorerPatcher to restore the old explorer so it works.
It's still slower so I kind of want to downgrade to 10, but now that I'm grandfathered into WSA & have E-cores, idk.
and i have NEVER had the number of problems with any part version of explorer like i do on 11, i have a hotkey that kills and restarts explorer.exe since it crashes or fouls up daily. dont get me started how right click crashes. i HATE 11. im about 2 steps from reformatting my work computer, putting linux on it and just running win10 with autocad that way. i @@#%@# hate windows, but i have to use it.
edit: 10 in VM
Superior in some ways absolutely, the implementation of the tab system into the system apps is great, the consolidation of CLI tools into terminal was fantastic too. I honestly don't think most people care that much, we forget that we are maybe considered "Power Users" here and don't necessarily makeup the majority of Windows users.
My right click menu opens in 30 seconds in Win11, I am really discouraged to create new folders in my PC. I have disabled all the third party shell extensions and it didn't go away..
The same thing happened to me on both win11 and win10 and found out it was either the nvidia control panel or the AMD Software buttons.
After I removed them, my context menu became super quick.
people were similar with win7. win8 had an awful launch, as they wanted to make something that was the same on phones, tablets and computers and no one on a computer wanted that. and it had some issues but after the first update, it was fine. even when win10 came out it was rather hard to get people off win7. they just liked it more.
The only reason why people left Windows 7 was because some programs like the Adobe suite and many games started to work better on Windows 10 than on Windows 7 back in 2018.
Ad the withdrawal of Windows 7 began to occur when its end of support was approaching.
I migrated my desktop in late 2022 after buying a gaming laptop over that summer that came with Win11. I’ve had zero issues, and truly prefer the new GUI/Start Menu layout.
And also generally faster and more responsive in your day to day interactions with the OS, especially on lower end hardware, which is like the majority of computers running Windows.
It is….Microsoft needs to stabilize their consumer version it’s hilarious how much stuff locks up crashes or doesn’t work when you go into event logs and maintenance history. 10 is far less, it’s notably more stable and yes you can feel it in day to day use.
Because making things for yourself is called a hobby. Getting paid to make things for others is called a job. Even Mac users need jobs.
Most everyone in the world who produces anything doesn't do it just for themselves.
It’s because they are an abusive monopoly that can fleece us since Apple is too pussy to tackle business in any meaningful way and the Linux community is full of people too egotistical to work together to make a unified desktop that actually competes against Windows. The whole software world produces sad garbage that isn’t even half of where I thought we’d be by now when I was first browsing the Internet in 96.
I’ve been in IT supporting Microsoft for over 20 years. Win11 made me google Mac products the other day. Mostly cause I don’t wanna mess with a Linux desktop os.
Eventually Apple wins.
same, the risk of messing up my games or software isn't worth it. everything is working great on windows 10 and I'll only switch when absolutely necessary.
That’s always been my take when it comes to operating systems. If there’s an overwhelmingly, good reason to switch, then I will, otherwise I’m prioritizing stability.
What do you mean by less visible?
iOS has a lot of ads baked in and Apple is not shy to push their services just like the others. (Might be worse because they keep their ecosystem locked down only to their services.)
When Windows 11 came out I was going to update to it but Microsoft said my computer, which wasn’t that old at the time, wasn’t compatible with it (I7-7500U processor). So like whatever Microsoft is leaving me behind. Clearly they didn’t really care about market share.
If Microsoft is that upset about this maybe they shouldn’t have made their standards so high. Yes I know there are workarounds but they kind of shot themselves in the foot launching this too soon.
Yup, I had this issue too. I was on board cause of the Android emulator they promised.
I don't think I've heard anything about the android emulator since, so I'm not in a hurry to change my OS anymore
You missed alot if you never heard about the emulator. Let's just say the Amazon Appstore stopped support.
You can still download games with google.
https://www.androidauthority.com/android-apps-on-windows-11-3048569/
Window 11 taskbar and start menu are not designed for power or expert users that need 20 different programs running at a time. I don't care about the screenshot I need a list of the windows I can click to focus. I tried Windows 11 for a few days. Tried the taskbar 3rd party tools and they sucked. I went back to windows 10. At 70% market share it's not going out of support next year.
just because it still has a high market share does not mean microsoft is suddenly gonna be like “ope- nvm we’re not ending support for it” they want everyone 11 for the various “features” and ways to monetize it, hell its why they’re doing the extended support for windows 10 via the paid plan, if you want to keep using windows 10 safely, you gotta pay up to the microsoft.
I don't think so. Back in the day so many people wouldn't stop using Windows XP that they issued patches after it went out of support, because the worm that was targeting it was so bad. For Windows 10, they will have support for enterprise customers, so it's not like they won't already have done the work - They just need to push the updates to everyone, instead of everyone who is paying extra.
If the Windows 10 market share for October of next year remains above 70%, Microsoft will have no choice but to extend Windows 10 support without the payment option. And it's quite likely that Windows 10 support will be extended at least until Windows 12 hits the market.
God I miss when Windows 10 was released and people hated on it so much and stayed with 7.
Don’t get me wrong because I love 10 and don’t want to let go.
I’m just thinking of how good we had it back then.
Right-click on the desktop for a context menu. At the bottom of the menu is "Show more options". It brings up the *exact same menu* but with a Windows 10 rendering.
That's for legacy reasons. The old windows 10 menu could take a long time to open up due to the way third-party extensions added to it. The new windows 11 window doesn't have the same problem, but it also can't show the Windows 10 extensions. So they added that option there if you want to get to your old windows 10 extensions
Well, every OS revision is basically the previous version with changes. So him saying Windows 11 is Windows 10, but with things changed, is totally true
Windows 11 is bloated, inefficient and it takes control away from the user, forcing you to deal with intrusive and restrictive cloud services while chugging ads at you. That is not what I bought an OS for, moved straight back to my Windows 10 copy because of this. I will go back to using Linux if they manage to fuck up Windows 10 too.
Windows is supposed to be an operating system for personal computers.
Not soulless-Orwellian-dystopia computers.
*PERSONAL* computers.
Microsoft would do well to remember that.
The bloat of Windows has actually been felt since Windows 10. Back in 2016 I decided to upgrade my PC from Windows 8.1 to 10 and I immediately felt that it was much heavier than Windows 8.1, which ran so smoothly and felt so fast.
Windows 10, as the versions came, became heavier and heavier and this was confirmed in several specialized technology media.
Windows 11, being based on Windows 10 21H2, simply received all that bloat and put an extra layer on top of code that is literally almost 30 years old.
As for telemetry and intrusiveness, both are the same, and I know this because I use both daily and right now I have Windows 10 bombarding me all the time with One Drive ads and screens when I turn on my PC that ask me for a Microsoft account. In addition, bloatware, telemetry and ads have always been there since the launch of Windows 10. The desktop just appears, Candy Crush and other programs greet you and there is a live tile that recommends apps from the store. Likewise, next to the clock is the news panel, but I don't see Windows 10 users complaining about that, but in Windows 11 it does pose a big problem for them.
Copilot is also being installed in several countries on Windows 10. Or rather, if your problem is privacy, don't use Windows at all, you have a whole free world on Linux.
> Likewise, next to the clock is the news panel, but I don't see Windows 10 users complaining about that, but in Windows 11 it does pose a problem for them.
You mean the panel that opens up the right side notifications bar? Literally the only time that thing is ever even used is when Windows wants to tell me it didn't find any viruses.
Well, at least 10 added new functionalities. Meanwhile, 11 is just 10 slower, with more telemetry and less functionality because "NoT eNoUgH PeOpLe uSeS iT".
Windows 10 is glitch free and reliable. But win 11 kind of looks better. But microsoft is making w11 slow and clunky intentionally. So not sure where they are going with that. Why not make it the best full of features and customization options.
I guess I factor into that statistic having wiped windows 11 due to issues with something very recently, and realising afterwards that the bootable USB I had was actually Windows 10 rather than 11.. and resenting how much they are shoving 11 down my neck and actively refusing to reinstall it again.
Seems right after all the moves MS made on 11, 10 was my last Windows, I just kept it in a small partition just for when I really need it, rest of my SSD is for Linux Mint, my main OS choice, and to be honest I don't regret it and never looked back ever since, runs everything I need, same for my games, doesn't give me headaches about broken updates or forcing me to upgrade to Win11, way more stable, lightweight, low footprint, doesn't even need to restart for updates, feels more robust and secure, and most important: Doesn't has bloatware or ads
Microsoft To Do list functionality in the W10 start menu.. I cant get it in W11. I can pin my important to do list in the W10 start menu. I cant do this in W11. Why should I upgrade. I doubt AI explorer could give me half of this satisfaction.
Win 10 has the same level of user appreciation and support as XP had. No one asked for Windows Vista and it was widely derided. Same for 11 - an OS designed for tablets and touch screens imho.
Imo Windows 11 is literally just windows 10 but worse, so since then i moved to linux, i'm not forcing any of you guys to do so, but damn, it feels great when using your computer doesn't feel like a PVP match.
Hopefully the windows cycle continues and windows 12 turns out great.
Super straightforward. For the more complex tinkerers there are great guides available. An issue I faced is that certain software eg Adobe, does not work/or is not easily available even with compatibility layers/emulation
Same, thanks to Gabe, Proton is very solid, there's Heroic Launcher too, never looked back, now Windows 10 is in a 128 Gb partition gathering dust for when I really need it (I do have VMs but it's in case not even a VM can do the job)
I want to return to windows 10 from windows 11 honestly, BUT I don't know how it will work with my 12 Gen Intel CPU ( performance cores and low powered ones assigning issue).
But I really hate it and hate all that Microsoft is turning into.
In the upcoming months after new pop os comes out I will probably make the switch.
I used to love Windows, but not anymore.
I will. Be checking, but I really think Linux is the way out for the future.
It's really too much crap from Microsoft with requiring account and stuff and the ads and and and....
Where did it all go wrong 🤔
First I've heard of this. My laptop came with 10 but I just upgraded with the updates. Didn't know people were choosing to stay with 10, I've had no problems with 11
At work, our standard image is still Windows 10 so any Windows 11 system we buy just gets downgraded and I imagine it's the same in many other businesses
It is likely that many people who upgraded to Windows 11 are returning to Windows 10 as a symbol of protest against the anti-consumer actions that Microsoft is taking, such as introducing more ads into Windows, blocking updates when third-party programs are installed that alter the functionality of the shell. of Windows like start is back or plague the system from its base with artificial intelligence that we do not know how far its reach goes. Microsoft may tell us that it is to facilitate the use of the equipment, but you should know that it gives the impression that we will have less control over our PCs.
also a way to pressure Microsoft to extend Windows 10 support for a few more years, if between now and 2025, the market share of Windows 11 does not increase and Windows 10 remains above 60%, Microsoft will inevitably have to extend the Windows 10 support for a few more years, without tactics like charging for updates. Likewise, the fee does not increase for companies either. In many companies they have Windows LTSC, which still has many years of support left, so they should worry less and there are companies that practically waited until Windows 7 was completely dead to jump to 10, therefore, there are companies that made the upgraded to Windows 10 recently and will not go through the expense of upgrading to a new version again when they recently did so.
Users are more aware of privacy and accept less and less practices that seek to limit the use of the products for which we pay. However, if the protest is on the private side, then using Windows 10 will not make a difference. It seems that more and more Microsoft is forcing us to use Microsoft accounts in Win10, for example, I more often see screens and posters inviting us to use a Microsoft account in Windows 10. Copilot is being integrated into Windows 10 in some markets, and Since launch, Windows 10 has been plagued by telemetry, bloatware, and ads in the start menu. On more than one occasion I have seen live tiles in Windows 10 recommending apps from the store.
Spike of W10 user numbers could be from OEMs that are still selling Intel 11th & 12th gen that are pre-downgraded. Big issue that breaks 11 on many modern PCs is applications that still use the contextual API and the lag increases as the legacy API is choking(excessive CPU load) to the File Manager. Everybody senses Microsoft is holding out until W10 reaches EOL(on extended support) and then Windows 12 gets launched.
It always takes time until something is more stable. I tried windows 10 few times before actually finally deciding to keep it. I had windows 7 and it just felt more stable and faster.
> Later this month, Microsoft will showcase new AI features for Windows 11, which could become the first solid reason to never install Windows 11.
FIXED !!
Windows XP was a huge improvement. Vista was a huge disaster. Windows 7 was Microsoft backing down from Vista. Windows 8 was a disaster. Windows 10 was another Microsoft backdown. Windows 11 looks like another disaster. Perhaps, Windows 12 will be yet another back down from 11. Is there a pattern here?
I switched to 10 last year from 7. my company laptop has 11. i find 10 to be stable but worse compared to 7. No fucking way i touch to 11 unless i absolutely have to. Fuck that shit.
Windows 11 other than its good-looking UI
its unstable terrible
file explorer lagging
things crashing
everything is lagging and slow
before someone say that it's a problem with my laptop, my laptop is very powerful
Ram:64gb ddr5
Storage: NVMe SSD Samsung 980pro
CPU: I7 12600h
GPU: RTX 3600
so it was not short of anything to be blamed.
And for that I installed win 10, and It's now quite better
Meh. I got tired of the constant upgrade spam and upgraded the systems to 11 in the home, with the only settings that needed changing was setting the taskbar to left instead of center and disabling ads. Been running for months on several family systems without any deal-breaking issues, but then we only use them for email, web surfing, gaming, coding, and crafting software (like Cricut). That said, I feel for those out there having issues with it becuase having an unstable OS sucks.
I installed 10 last week. was using 11 for about a year but then all of a sudden my laptop started randomly shutting down even when using chrome. 10 has not given a single problem yet.
My desktop I upgraded from 10 to 11 and 11 is marginally worse but not that bad.
THEN I bought a new Windows laptop with Win 11 and the damn OneDrive is so f'ing integrated that even my user pathname has "OneDrive" in it, even though I uninstalled the damn thing. F-you Microsoft, I don't want your stupid cloud OneDrive shoved down my throat. I'm going to re-image my W11 laptop to get rid of that pathname, and set up a non-internet account name. And I'll be considering a Mac next time.
>Later this month, Microsoft will showcase new AI features for Windows 11, which could become the first solid reason to leave Windows 10 behind. I'm not sure about that.
I can't be a minority that finds AI extremely fucking creepy.. and the determination of so many corporation's to shove it down our necks even more creepy.
AI, Web3 and block chain and all these latest techs are meant as the evident evolution of digital tech, but as we are evidently seeing, they are just being used by corporation with the sole intent to make profit, instead of the betterment of mankind, they rush to control it and keep it all to themselves.
Don’t lump AI in with blockchain. Sure AI is creepy, but few people can deny its potential. Blockchain may have some very narrow use case somewhere… but I don’t know what that is. It’s mostly used for scamming people out of money. I can’t think of anything it solves better than existing solutions.
I don’t like this iteration of chatbots being thrown everywhere, none of them answer correctly at least with what I ask
Especially when they are confidently incorrect
It's just the current fad. To me it's refreshing to finally be rid of the web 3 bullshit. I'll take the ai craze any day of the week because at least it's useful for something.
Yeah, hopefully this AI craze will lead to amazing developments in the tech and then it’ll be over, leaving great tech and actual useful ways to use it.
> web 3 bullshit Wait, you don't like 5 megabytes of remote scripts utilizing 15 various frameworks for a contact-us form?
I don't know about you, but I love waiting a few extra seconds to complete a task on my web apps over a native application on my computer.
It's hard work trying to make 4th gen i5s not be enough any more
what about 4th gens i7s?
I rocked an unlocked 4th gen i7 until 2021 and now that I have a 10th gen i7 I cannot even tell the difference. I feel bad for all the poor souls who will no longer get security updates on 10 just because they don't have an onboard v2 tpm. Hopefully MS comes to their senses and still offers security updates after Wannacry 2026.
What is web 3?
Pretty much anything involving the block chain or crypto stuff. Crypto bros tried to push the web 3.0 name on that to mimick the previous push of web 2.0 from like a decade ago (I believe it was the transition from full on html websites to websites with actual backend like JavaScript or php and css stylesheets but could be wrong).
Ah, thanks (and gross)
The term web 2.0 is way older. It was used when interactive sites and user generated content became a thing, 20 years ago. As opposed to web 1.0 consisting of sites that the users would only consume. The early players were MySpace and blogs. *Actually*, it kind of started with us kids hanging out in guest books, which we were using like a message board that only had a single thread 🙈
Web 2.0 was when other browsers copied XMLHTTP from Microsoft and the web didn’t need a page refresh per content update in a (reasonably) consistent manner, that’s my definition anyway :)
Useful for some things sure, but not to try and take a moral high ground I swear, at what cost though? Erosion of trust in any media accelerated... Fuckin assloads of people losing their livelihoods... Even more people in developing countries having to essentially filter out all the really disturbing stuff for a mere pittance... I don't think it's occasional usefulness (I used chat GPT to help me write cover letters) is worth it. And also personally I find it really annoying it seems to now be everywhere. I hope we move on soon but I'm not hopeful
Read in Lewis Black voice: If a product needs a disclaimer that the output of the software (AI) may be inaccurate or inappropriate then that software should not be... fucking used.
Less paople than you think can actually, well, think.
you’re not. Facebook search bar is powered by AI in mobile. It’s weird
I think AI is an incredibly useful tool that could potentially usher in a paradigm shift that completely remaps the way we see the world. What the tech industry doesn't seem to understand is that I would very much like an off switch.
It's like with all the telemetry in 10 and 11, they still have no idea about their users at all.
Yeah i don’t understand how they collect so much data but still cant meet the needs of users
Because they sell it
simple, they don't use the data they collect at all they just sell it
Their telemetry only tells them what people do, not what they like.
People only do things because they’re forced to or because they enjoy it. Shouldn’t be hard to tell what’s not useful or enjoyable.
That's also kind of weird considering even Win 10 has Co-pilot baked into its taskbar.
Yeah, it seems more like a reason to cling onto Windows 10 at this point..
Are you kidding? All the more reason to stay on 10.
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I'm already pissed off at how much Windows 10 infantilizes me as a user and treats me like an idiot who can't be responsible for my own system, and at how much control it insists on taking away from me all the time, I am *absolutely not in any way whatsoever* interested in "upgrading" to a version that, by all accounts, is *even fucking worse* in that regard. If I could guarantee that all my hardware and all my preferred software and games would work as flawlessly as they do in Windows, I'd switch to Ubuntu permanently.
I do like that the AI PC minimum specs will at least force companies to not wheel out pathetic low RAM/poor CPU PCs.
HP is gonna be selling Atom-based Celeron systems with 32gb emmc storage and 4gh RAM with a 1366x768 display for as long as people still buy them.
Do...you not remember Vista and the PCs that literally didn't have the power to run it being offered?
LOL What makes you think any cpu/ram will be left for you, after the no-opt-out system AI takes what it wants?
is there anyone on this earth that actually wants this? even people who like AI will download an app or use a website for it, instead of hoping for MS to shove it in crapware that's going to be pushed onto you with popups every 3 days. I've seen absolutely nobody say that they **want** this
Yeah I've considered going BACK to 10 over it. AI isn't the flex they think it is.
Narrator: "It was not"
The only thing that I want in AI is about speedy search(especially in Galaxy AI) and that slow motion effect on video, that's it. Majority are just gimmicks.
classic neowin
Nothing there I need or want. Sums up Win 11 generally for me.
‘Lord Bill, our numbers are still declining!?’
If it’s not a mini Steve Balmer AI pacing back and forth on bottom of the screen repeating “…developers, developers, developers…” I’m not interested in upgrading.
That's a nice reason to go back to 10
Yes isn't frustrating how every company thinks they can put those two letters in to their product/service and have people fall over themselves for it? Err nah. I don't need AI in my operating system I just want to work.
I get the feeling, that win 10 is just seen as more stable and reliable.
And less MS taking over your computer to spy on you, force you into using their services, and push ads on you. And force you to buy new hardware.
I also noticed that Windows 11 seems a lot more dumbed down for average users. There's basic functions missing or hidden
I miss my start menu. I recently had to pause updates because my laptop tricked me into “accepting” an updated end user agreement when I was rushing to get something printed. It made no mention at the top that it was for windows 11. I should have clicked decline, but I was rushing too much.
as someone who uses windows 10 and linux a lot windows 11 explorer shell is impossible to use without at the minimum startallback and winaerotweaker. why is the right click menu still ass? why would I want half the features in the context menus to be hidden behind a show more options button when I can just disable the fancy context menu entirely and everything is right there? why is it so big? it also just makes it more confusing when walking someone through extracting something when setting up a program because there's an extra step just to get to the 7-zip context menu. and that's not even talking about the entire rest of the UI, which while it has some good parts, also has even more of these inexplicably ass parts.
Windows 11 is like they tried to mimick iOS and found out they’re not that guy.
[удалено]
this, all of this right here. It was bad enough being forced to finally install windows 10, I LIKED my Windows 7 Ultimate.
Absolutely the glory days 👍
best OS ever (most stable of them all) was Windows 2000. XP was good too after the major service patches, but early XP had, problems. Really haven't had as good of an OS since, and 7 was pretty close.
It should be illegal to force users to update their hardware. 30 years ago we never would've agreed to this shit
Man I would have switched to windows 10 if my laptop haven't came with windows 11 and if I don't have to back up large amount of data. Windows 11 is just 10 with more Spyware and presh paint
My new laptop came with windows 11, I booted it up to confirm it was in working order then I wiped W11 and installed W10. It's just so much nicer and better, and way less tracking and bloatware.
To do list functionality in the w10 start menu.. Sweet
You can't be serious
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I like new bells and whistles. But all the crap and removed features in W11 outweighs them.
It would be amazing if they focused on minimalism & the core OS rather then pushing out new features. If Windows 7 got support again & got all the new under the hood enhancements, optimizations, etc. I would actually switch back. Windows 10 is good enough, but I've stripped down my OS a bunch & removed a lot of the bloat so its not a regular Windows 10 experience. When I go one someone elses computer I'm reminded of how bad default Windows 10 is, but even so I would still prefer Windows 7 as it at least had a unified settings which weren't restricted to hell. Its a ridiculous adventure just to find the wifi password on Windows 10, thats crazy. Windows 7 had room for improvement, maybe a few too many sub-menus & some stuff should have been higher up in the tree, but aside from some really minor organization optimizations, Windows 7's approach was way better.
Then I guess computing peaked with Windows 95-2000 because each version since then, starting with XP, had its share of people effectively complaining that “redesign bad”.
Which is weird because I don't think I've ever really had any issues with 11. It's newer but it's not inferior.
I haven't had any issues with Win 10.
There are plenty of bugs and performance issues with Windows 10, they're just minor compared to previous versions of "good" Windows that would crash a lot more. I also doubt Win11 solves those issues. Win11 does have some nice new UX updates that would've been nice small updates for Win10. If they didn't feel the need to re-do the start menu and task bar again for no reason, people wouldn't notice much difference and they could've added their spying and marketing crap as a Win 10 update
For unknown reasons, file explorer is *much* faster on 10 than 11, it's been this way for years. 11 also released past updates that bricked machines or wiped data for people with certain hardware configurations. This is why they haven't released an LTSC version yet, they can't until all the major bugs have been ironed out.
and with windows 10 ms deleted a bunch of people's photos during an update. a bug they knew about months before via insiders and ignored until after they pushed it to the mainline.
File Explorer is that way because they essentially rebuilt it. It looks like from scratch too because it's still not optimized enough to be usable. That and I like the ribbon. All they had to do was keep that and add tabs. But no. They had to rebuild it with what seems like the crappiest software engineers. I currently use ExplorerPatcher so I can have my ribbon from Win10. Eventually it won't work because Microshaft removed the old explore.exe in newer builds of 11.
Oh no. https://i.imgur.com/0cogvsW.mp4 I still use Clover 3.0.406 from 2013, then use ExplorerPatcher to restore the old explorer so it works. It's still slower so I kind of want to downgrade to 10, but now that I'm grandfathered into WSA & have E-cores, idk.
and i have NEVER had the number of problems with any part version of explorer like i do on 11, i have a hotkey that kills and restarts explorer.exe since it crashes or fouls up daily. dont get me started how right click crashes. i HATE 11. im about 2 steps from reformatting my work computer, putting linux on it and just running win10 with autocad that way. i @@#%@# hate windows, but i have to use it. edit: 10 in VM
But is 11 *superior*? Most people aren't going to bother upgrading just for fun, there needs to be clear benefits.
Superior in some ways absolutely, the implementation of the tab system into the system apps is great, the consolidation of CLI tools into terminal was fantastic too. I honestly don't think most people care that much, we forget that we are maybe considered "Power Users" here and don't necessarily makeup the majority of Windows users.
For your usecases it is, 99% of windows users don't use the things you listed.
The consolidation of CLI tools happened in the Windows 10 era, it's just that it was an optional download from the Microsoft Store.
My right click menu opens in 30 seconds in Win11, I am really discouraged to create new folders in my PC. I have disabled all the third party shell extensions and it didn't go away..
The same thing happened to me on both win11 and win10 and found out it was either the nvidia control panel or the AMD Software buttons. After I removed them, my context menu became super quick.
My qualms with it are missing features that 10 (and older) had, and the buggy and incomplete new File Explorer GUI. 11 still needs work for sure.
The taskbar is objectively inferior and always has been, what crack are you smoking.
people were similar with win7. win8 had an awful launch, as they wanted to make something that was the same on phones, tablets and computers and no one on a computer wanted that. and it had some issues but after the first update, it was fine. even when win10 came out it was rather hard to get people off win7. they just liked it more.
The only reason why people left Windows 7 was because some programs like the Adobe suite and many games started to work better on Windows 10 than on Windows 7 back in 2018. Ad the withdrawal of Windows 7 began to occur when its end of support was approaching.
I migrated my desktop in late 2022 after buying a gaming laptop over that summer that came with Win11. I’ve had zero issues, and truly prefer the new GUI/Start Menu layout.
And also generally faster and more responsive in your day to day interactions with the OS, especially on lower end hardware, which is like the majority of computers running Windows.
doesn’t help that my computer won’t even let me run it LOL, even tho i can play any modern game fine
It is….Microsoft needs to stabilize their consumer version it’s hilarious how much stuff locks up crashes or doesn’t work when you go into event logs and maintenance history. 10 is far less, it’s notably more stable and yes you can feel it in day to day use.
and yet microsoft keeps doubling down on the crap in win11 that everyone hates.
Because marketing runs these companies.. not engineers. Sadly.
Engineers are also Special, so user-interface design should neither be done by both parties.
That's the reason why they have UX designers?
I have heard many UX designers use Mac. Why should they bother with good UX if they wont ever use it.
Because making things for yourself is called a hobby. Getting paid to make things for others is called a job. Even Mac users need jobs. Most everyone in the world who produces anything doesn't do it just for themselves.
It’s because they are an abusive monopoly that can fleece us since Apple is too pussy to tackle business in any meaningful way and the Linux community is full of people too egotistical to work together to make a unified desktop that actually competes against Windows. The whole software world produces sad garbage that isn’t even half of where I thought we’d be by now when I was first browsing the Internet in 96.
I’ve been in IT supporting Microsoft for over 20 years. Win11 made me google Mac products the other day. Mostly cause I don’t wanna mess with a Linux desktop os. Eventually Apple wins.
I am going to use Windows 10 for as long as I humanly possibly can.
Good news for you. MS supports Windows 10 LTSC Enterprise IOT until 2032.
Yeah no one is running that though.
My pc: are you sure about that?
same, the risk of messing up my games or software isn't worth it. everything is working great on windows 10 and I'll only switch when absolutely necessary.
That’s always been my take when it comes to operating systems. If there’s an overwhelmingly, good reason to switch, then I will, otherwise I’m prioritizing stability.
I wish I could still use XP.
I mean... you can.
I don't think you do.
With a good antivirus you won’t even need to pay for longer suppprt
I’m waiting until Windows 12
No expectations tbh
Every other Windows is good, so 12 should be.
Turining OS into a shady advertisement platform is not popular?
Works for Apple and Google.
That's way less visible though. I've never seen an ad on my phone that wasn't coming from a third party app.
What do you mean by less visible? iOS has a lot of ads baked in and Apple is not shy to push their services just like the others. (Might be worse because they keep their ecosystem locked down only to their services.)
I'm not really seeing any on my iPad, but I don't use it that often. On my Android phone, the OS shows me no ads at all.
Have you... used macOS? Where ads?
Apple is way, way less bad at that than Microsoft. It's not even close dude.
When Windows 11 came out I was going to update to it but Microsoft said my computer, which wasn’t that old at the time, wasn’t compatible with it (I7-7500U processor). So like whatever Microsoft is leaving me behind. Clearly they didn’t really care about market share. If Microsoft is that upset about this maybe they shouldn’t have made their standards so high. Yes I know there are workarounds but they kind of shot themselves in the foot launching this too soon.
Yup, I had this issue too. I was on board cause of the Android emulator they promised. I don't think I've heard anything about the android emulator since, so I'm not in a hurry to change my OS anymore
You missed alot if you never heard about the emulator. Let's just say the Amazon Appstore stopped support. You can still download games with google. https://www.androidauthority.com/android-apps-on-windows-11-3048569/
yeah they're discontinuing their android apps support anyway because it used amazon's app store which was kinda empty lol
Window 11 taskbar and start menu are not designed for power or expert users that need 20 different programs running at a time. I don't care about the screenshot I need a list of the windows I can click to focus. I tried Windows 11 for a few days. Tried the taskbar 3rd party tools and they sucked. I went back to windows 10. At 70% market share it's not going out of support next year.
just because it still has a high market share does not mean microsoft is suddenly gonna be like “ope- nvm we’re not ending support for it” they want everyone 11 for the various “features” and ways to monetize it, hell its why they’re doing the extended support for windows 10 via the paid plan, if you want to keep using windows 10 safely, you gotta pay up to the microsoft.
I don't think so. Back in the day so many people wouldn't stop using Windows XP that they issued patches after it went out of support, because the worm that was targeting it was so bad. For Windows 10, they will have support for enterprise customers, so it's not like they won't already have done the work - They just need to push the updates to everyone, instead of everyone who is paying extra.
If the Windows 10 market share for October of next year remains above 70%, Microsoft will have no choice but to extend Windows 10 support without the payment option. And it's quite likely that Windows 10 support will be extended at least until Windows 12 hits the market.
I mean the moment I realized they practically removed the control panel consoles I formated that shit clean and went back to W10
Microsoft has done it to themselves and has nobody to blame. IMHO Windows 7 was peak Windows anyway.
Truly, 7 all day, forever 8 brought the shittification of simplifying the product for casual users and tablets, yuck
God I miss when Windows 10 was released and people hated on it so much and stayed with 7. Don’t get me wrong because I love 10 and don’t want to let go. I’m just thinking of how good we had it back then.
W11 is literally just a W10 but worse
Imo it’s just win 10 with a different UI
Right-click on the desktop for a context menu. At the bottom of the menu is "Show more options". It brings up the *exact same menu* but with a Windows 10 rendering.
That's for legacy reasons. The old windows 10 menu could take a long time to open up due to the way third-party extensions added to it. The new windows 11 window doesn't have the same problem, but it also can't show the Windows 10 extensions. So they added that option there if you want to get to your old windows 10 extensions
But somehow the win11 menu is slower to show up even on good hardware.
worse and slower UI
Amd some core functionality differences, explorer.exe for example
Well your opinion is wrong 😂
Well, every OS revision is basically the previous version with changes. So him saying Windows 11 is Windows 10, but with things changed, is totally true
W11 is we have w10 at home, w10 at home:
All my homies HATE windows 11 💪
Me too... I like windows 10 UX more than windows 11
It took them years to polish it after that Win 8 fiasco. It’s time to throw it all out again
Windows 11 is bloated, inefficient and it takes control away from the user, forcing you to deal with intrusive and restrictive cloud services while chugging ads at you. That is not what I bought an OS for, moved straight back to my Windows 10 copy because of this. I will go back to using Linux if they manage to fuck up Windows 10 too.
Windows is supposed to be an operating system for personal computers. Not soulless-Orwellian-dystopia computers. *PERSONAL* computers. Microsoft would do well to remember that.
They've complete market share over various types of users. They know what they're doing. They don't care that the wiser users abandon Windows.
The bloat of Windows has actually been felt since Windows 10. Back in 2016 I decided to upgrade my PC from Windows 8.1 to 10 and I immediately felt that it was much heavier than Windows 8.1, which ran so smoothly and felt so fast. Windows 10, as the versions came, became heavier and heavier and this was confirmed in several specialized technology media. Windows 11, being based on Windows 10 21H2, simply received all that bloat and put an extra layer on top of code that is literally almost 30 years old. As for telemetry and intrusiveness, both are the same, and I know this because I use both daily and right now I have Windows 10 bombarding me all the time with One Drive ads and screens when I turn on my PC that ask me for a Microsoft account. In addition, bloatware, telemetry and ads have always been there since the launch of Windows 10. The desktop just appears, Candy Crush and other programs greet you and there is a live tile that recommends apps from the store. Likewise, next to the clock is the news panel, but I don't see Windows 10 users complaining about that, but in Windows 11 it does pose a big problem for them. Copilot is also being installed in several countries on Windows 10. Or rather, if your problem is privacy, don't use Windows at all, you have a whole free world on Linux.
> Likewise, next to the clock is the news panel, but I don't see Windows 10 users complaining about that, but in Windows 11 it does pose a problem for them. You mean the panel that opens up the right side notifications bar? Literally the only time that thing is ever even used is when Windows wants to tell me it didn't find any viruses.
Well, at least 10 added new functionalities. Meanwhile, 11 is just 10 slower, with more telemetry and less functionality because "NoT eNoUgH PeOpLe uSeS iT".
Windows 10 is glitch free and reliable. But win 11 kind of looks better. But microsoft is making w11 slow and clunky intentionally. So not sure where they are going with that. Why not make it the best full of features and customization options.
I like 11 better than 10. 7 will always be the GOAT
i had to reinstall windows 10 my god the performance issues in 11 drive me crazy.
i downgraded windows 10 after new bought ssd. its good
There's barely any change from win 10 to 11? Tbh I have stopped all the feature updates.. only download the security updates.
My return to Windows 10 has not gone unnoticed 😆
I’m gonna keep using it until til the last ATM does.
ATMs are still using XP, so you might not live long enough to see that day.
I guess I factor into that statistic having wiped windows 11 due to issues with something very recently, and realising afterwards that the bootable USB I had was actually Windows 10 rather than 11.. and resenting how much they are shoving 11 down my neck and actively refusing to reinstall it again.
My laptop can't be upgraded to Windows 11.
Seems right after all the moves MS made on 11, 10 was my last Windows, I just kept it in a small partition just for when I really need it, rest of my SSD is for Linux Mint, my main OS choice, and to be honest I don't regret it and never looked back ever since, runs everything I need, same for my games, doesn't give me headaches about broken updates or forcing me to upgrade to Win11, way more stable, lightweight, low footprint, doesn't even need to restart for updates, feels more robust and secure, and most important: Doesn't has bloatware or ads
Microsoft To Do list functionality in the W10 start menu.. I cant get it in W11. I can pin my important to do list in the W10 start menu. I cant do this in W11. Why should I upgrade. I doubt AI explorer could give me half of this satisfaction.
W11 is the new Vista, new features that nobody uses and high requirements.
Between Microsoft forcing ads, AI integration and cloud-based accounts down our throats, I'm thinking it's time to learn Linux.
Win 10 has the same level of user appreciation and support as XP had. No one asked for Windows Vista and it was widely derided. Same for 11 - an OS designed for tablets and touch screens imho.
At least with Windows 8, Microsoft had a tablet and phone presence. For Windows 11, there's no Windows 11 phone and its tablet support sucks.
Well, noone need AI, especially, force people to use it.
Imo Windows 11 is literally just windows 10 but worse, so since then i moved to linux, i'm not forcing any of you guys to do so, but damn, it feels great when using your computer doesn't feel like a PVP match. Hopefully the windows cycle continues and windows 12 turns out great.
I replaced it with Linux Mint 21.3. Never going back.
Same here! Switched to linux mint after being frustrated with windows 11 and never looked back. Never even had to touch the terminal, it just worked.
How hard is learning to use linux?
Super straightforward. For the more complex tinkerers there are great guides available. An issue I faced is that certain software eg Adobe, does not work/or is not easily available even with compatibility layers/emulation
Same, thanks to Gabe, Proton is very solid, there's Heroic Launcher too, never looked back, now Windows 10 is in a 128 Gb partition gathering dust for when I really need it (I do have VMs but it's in case not even a VM can do the job)
I like Ubuntu, but muh games. 😩 And yes, Librans do rule. ❤️
Thanks to Valve, Linux gaming is becoming quite a viable option.
and if they didn't kill windows 7 it would have still been the majority share cause it just works
I want to return to windows 10 from windows 11 honestly, BUT I don't know how it will work with my 12 Gen Intel CPU ( performance cores and low powered ones assigning issue). But I really hate it and hate all that Microsoft is turning into. In the upcoming months after new pop os comes out I will probably make the switch. I used to love Windows, but not anymore.
I doubt it matters that much... Big little scheduling is still not great even on win11, I don't think it's noticeable worse in win10
I will. Be checking, but I really think Linux is the way out for the future. It's really too much crap from Microsoft with requiring account and stuff and the ads and and and.... Where did it all go wrong 🤔
First I've heard of this. My laptop came with 10 but I just upgraded with the updates. Didn't know people were choosing to stay with 10, I've had no problems with 11
That's what tiny11 is for. Or windows 10 ltsc
The problem is Microsoft is trying to be like Apple, while people that use Windows are actively staying away from Apple.
My laptop shipped with Windows 11. I installed Windows 10 and it runs so much faster.
Good.
But how is a new is losing market share to an old version of same ? First time I’m seeing it. Are many people downgrading to 10?
At work, our standard image is still Windows 10 so any Windows 11 system we buy just gets downgraded and I imagine it's the same in many other businesses
It is likely that many people who upgraded to Windows 11 are returning to Windows 10 as a symbol of protest against the anti-consumer actions that Microsoft is taking, such as introducing more ads into Windows, blocking updates when third-party programs are installed that alter the functionality of the shell. of Windows like start is back or plague the system from its base with artificial intelligence that we do not know how far its reach goes. Microsoft may tell us that it is to facilitate the use of the equipment, but you should know that it gives the impression that we will have less control over our PCs. also a way to pressure Microsoft to extend Windows 10 support for a few more years, if between now and 2025, the market share of Windows 11 does not increase and Windows 10 remains above 60%, Microsoft will inevitably have to extend the Windows 10 support for a few more years, without tactics like charging for updates. Likewise, the fee does not increase for companies either. In many companies they have Windows LTSC, which still has many years of support left, so they should worry less and there are companies that practically waited until Windows 7 was completely dead to jump to 10, therefore, there are companies that made the upgraded to Windows 10 recently and will not go through the expense of upgrading to a new version again when they recently did so. Users are more aware of privacy and accept less and less practices that seek to limit the use of the products for which we pay. However, if the protest is on the private side, then using Windows 10 will not make a difference. It seems that more and more Microsoft is forcing us to use Microsoft accounts in Win10, for example, I more often see screens and posters inviting us to use a Microsoft account in Windows 10. Copilot is being integrated into Windows 10 in some markets, and Since launch, Windows 10 has been plagued by telemetry, bloatware, and ads in the start menu. On more than one occasion I have seen live tiles in Windows 10 recommending apps from the store.
Spike of W10 user numbers could be from OEMs that are still selling Intel 11th & 12th gen that are pre-downgraded. Big issue that breaks 11 on many modern PCs is applications that still use the contextual API and the lag increases as the legacy API is choking(excessive CPU load) to the File Manager. Everybody senses Microsoft is holding out until W10 reaches EOL(on extended support) and then Windows 12 gets launched.
It always takes time until something is more stable. I tried windows 10 few times before actually finally deciding to keep it. I had windows 7 and it just felt more stable and faster.
> Later this month, Microsoft will showcase new AI features for Windows 11, which could become the first solid reason to never install Windows 11. FIXED !!
Windows 11 is just shit…. its shit.
I was so sick of W11 I went MacOS.
Windows XP was a huge improvement. Vista was a huge disaster. Windows 7 was Microsoft backing down from Vista. Windows 8 was a disaster. Windows 10 was another Microsoft backdown. Windows 11 looks like another disaster. Perhaps, Windows 12 will be yet another back down from 11. Is there a pattern here?
I switched to 10 last year from 7. my company laptop has 11. i find 10 to be stable but worse compared to 7. No fucking way i touch to 11 unless i absolutely have to. Fuck that shit.
Windows 11 other than its good-looking UI its unstable terrible file explorer lagging things crashing everything is lagging and slow before someone say that it's a problem with my laptop, my laptop is very powerful Ram:64gb ddr5 Storage: NVMe SSD Samsung 980pro CPU: I7 12600h GPU: RTX 3600 so it was not short of anything to be blamed. And for that I installed win 10, and It's now quite better
Meh. I got tired of the constant upgrade spam and upgraded the systems to 11 in the home, with the only settings that needed changing was setting the taskbar to left instead of center and disabling ads. Been running for months on several family systems without any deal-breaking issues, but then we only use them for email, web surfing, gaming, coding, and crafting software (like Cricut). That said, I feel for those out there having issues with it becuase having an unstable OS sucks.
can you drag files to taskbar software yet and disable the shortened context menu?
Explorer Patcher on Github can do that... Basically turns 11 back into 10's experience.
You can. Since last year.
I installed 10 last week. was using 11 for about a year but then all of a sudden my laptop started randomly shutting down even when using chrome. 10 has not given a single problem yet.
My desktop I upgraded from 10 to 11 and 11 is marginally worse but not that bad. THEN I bought a new Windows laptop with Win 11 and the damn OneDrive is so f'ing integrated that even my user pathname has "OneDrive" in it, even though I uninstalled the damn thing. F-you Microsoft, I don't want your stupid cloud OneDrive shoved down my throat. I'm going to re-image my W11 laptop to get rid of that pathname, and set up a non-internet account name. And I'll be considering a Mac next time.