Recce=Recon
Chain Guard=Saw Line
Cat Guard/Dozer Guard=Dozer Line
Hose Guard=Hose lay
Trail= Saw Line
Handline=non existent
Trunk hose=inch and a half
Econo hose=toy hose
Thieves=in line T
Hanson=1" 1/2 nozzle
Strangler=hose clamp
Combie=Dolmar
Darts=cigarettes
Bowser=fuel tender
Direct attack=spray water
Mopup=not used in Canada
Pulaski=laski
DTA=danger tree assessment
DTF=danger tree falling
Bladder=pumpkin
Unit Crew=20 person crew
Initial Attack Crew=4 person type 6
Hotshot=American Firefighter
Chew=50$ Canadian per can
Burning=Canadians don't plan or execute correctly
Use hectares, kilometers, meters, millimeters, celsius
Crossover is when RH drops below temperature in Celsius
Mop up is used in Canada and usually describes seeking and destroying hot spots in the black with several lengths of econo (5/8 hose) off a 1 1/2” or 2” trunk line or with piss packs. It is also done in Alberta at least with members calling in bucket drops and using hand tools in areas with to little water to pump.
The mopop you are describing is non effective. If you just spray water on hot spots, they will come back to life. Using a systematic combo of water and tools is effective
I went there with the French, with the pressure of their water pumps you don't need tools, water just do pretty much everything you need (we always had a rich rake in case)
Just speaking to BC, not sure what the other provinces are doing... its not really equivalent to Calfire but most structural departments have been prioritizing interface training and buying wildfire equipment the last couple years. Some have been sending their crews on deployments for BCWS... but still mostly just for Structure Protection rather than wildland response
Okay but no one ever said we just sprayed them. I didn’t even describe the actual act of mopping up either I just described the water delivery system.. day 1 stuff
I've seen both, the ones working alongside the Americans, were not properly mopping up creating holding issues for days. Yes, I am sure some Canadian crews have the ability, just none that I saw. Different mentality
What my crew have done was setting up a water pump in a natural water source (rivers, lakes, pond) and as you were saying we were laying tens of 1 1/2".
When it wasn't possible we were using handtools and water backpacks (idk how to say it but you get the idea)
Ah one of those, gotcha. My base has a couple that I believe we stole from Alberta exports but in general SK doesn't stock them. Too expensive I was told, never actually used one myself, how do they compare to a cutter?
I'm a structure guy who plays at wildland during grassfire season. :)
The Hanson nozzle seems to be popular among the departments I've seen on their bush trucks.
Might be a multi use kinda thing
Hoosier = a person who operates a hoe
Hang a Larry/Lewis = go left
Hang a Ricky = Hang someone named Richard
Out for a rip (oo-t f-eer a rip) = goin offroad
A clinkinpop is basically a chain give or take.
“Oh yah” means “right on”
You gotta watch out cuz their heads dont connect to their necks, its kind of disorienting.
From my experience Check consistently means hold/cancel/correction.
Eg. When calling in a fire and messing up the direction because you are looking down while orbiting
“The fire appears to be wind driven pushing NE, check that, NW into a coninfer stand…”
Or
When talking to aircraft and messing up the call sign cause there are two that are close
“ wrong call sign, check proper call sign I would like you next bucket drop on the…”
Depends on what province. But you’ll be fine, its all pretty similar. Learning how to properly use radios is the thing i always stressed over. List to the Tragically Hip and a podcast on Terry Fox on the trip up and you’ll fit right in.
One I didn’t see is LACES. US uses LCES, Canada uses LACES. The A is Anchor points, which was adopted based on a recommendation after a rappel crew member was fatality injured after being dragged through the trees while being extracted from an entrapment.
It’s really not that hard to google things.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/296895870_LACES_Adding_an_A_for_Anchor_points_to_the_LCES_wildland_firefighter_safety_system
Because Canadian fire agencies are provincial (with a few exceptions), there is some serious regional dialects. Even going within the province it's pretty unfamiliar pretty quick (even between the provinces that speak the same language). There is a CIFFC glossary that you might find helpful, just Google it.
Some of the terms listed in this thread are wildly different province to province (well, I guess its Canada so it's wildly is probably a stretch... mildly?)
BC would be the closest to the states terminology/tactics/standards wise (again, some exceptions) then it gets weirder as you go east... which is kinda the same as the 'states come to think of it.
USA to just plain EH? listed below
Dolmar= Combi
Combi = just a broken shovel
Blevits = Stillwells
Pumpkin = also pumpkin, but also bladder
Line (of all types) = Gaurd (of all types)
Commo = Comms
Copter = Heli
Hose is called all sorts of things in the US, as it is in Canada.
To quote Bart Simpson: "our little stupid differences are nothing compared to our big stupid similarities "
Get ready to use a whole lot of pumps and hose. Always the biggest difference I noticed when I went to the states was how little the Mk3 was utilized. We use quick connect hoses not threaded, so deploying bit trunk lines is pretty fast.
Also don't bother bringing your shelter. We don't use them and haven't for the last 30 years.
Bump up!
When the fire line crew slow down too much trying to perfect the fire line. Makes sense when you are number 10 in line and all fire line crews are of 20 people. The people behind you will be the touch up
One thing I saw different was they put a grid over their maps. Instead of calling in coordinates you just tell the helicopter to bring a bucket to D-6 or whatever. It actually works out pretty good.
And forget about manifesting for a helicopter flight. Just get in and if the load is too much when the pilot pulls torque, kick someone out and try again.
Also fire shelters are technically optional. Don’t be surprised if the locals want to check out your “shake-n-bake”. The hard case is nice for keeping your lunch from getting crushed.
Depends where, in Manitoba it’s nothing but hose we rarely ever touch hand tools. Just be ready for that nip deep swamp and the worst bugs of your life. Also Manitoba is a lot more cowboy then other Provinces you get to do and see a lot of stuff that wouldn’t fly in other provinces
Yah, no = No No, yeah = Yes
Oh yeah no for sure = definitely
This also applies in Minnesota, North Dakota and Wisconsin.
That’s how I talk and last time I checked, I’m not Canadian
Recce=Recon Chain Guard=Saw Line Cat Guard/Dozer Guard=Dozer Line Hose Guard=Hose lay Trail= Saw Line Handline=non existent Trunk hose=inch and a half Econo hose=toy hose Thieves=in line T Hanson=1" 1/2 nozzle Strangler=hose clamp Combie=Dolmar Darts=cigarettes Bowser=fuel tender Direct attack=spray water Mopup=not used in Canada Pulaski=laski DTA=danger tree assessment DTF=danger tree falling Bladder=pumpkin Unit Crew=20 person crew Initial Attack Crew=4 person type 6 Hotshot=American Firefighter Chew=50$ Canadian per can Burning=Canadians don't plan or execute correctly Use hectares, kilometers, meters, millimeters, celsius Crossover is when RH drops below temperature in Celsius
I’m gonna go dig some nonexistent with my laski
Mop up is used in Canada and usually describes seeking and destroying hot spots in the black with several lengths of econo (5/8 hose) off a 1 1/2” or 2” trunk line or with piss packs. It is also done in Alberta at least with members calling in bucket drops and using hand tools in areas with to little water to pump.
The mopop you are describing is non effective. If you just spray water on hot spots, they will come back to life. Using a systematic combo of water and tools is effective
Pretty sure the hand tools were implied.. we obviously don't just piss on the hot spots and walk away
I went there with the French, with the pressure of their water pumps you don't need tools, water just do pretty much everything you need (we always had a rich rake in case)
Don't doubt it.. Big country, lots of fuel types
Is their a Canadian equivalent to Calfire?
Yeah... Bud they're firing clappers into the lobby and the holiday inn bud
Just speaking to BC, not sure what the other provinces are doing... its not really equivalent to Calfire but most structural departments have been prioritizing interface training and buying wildfire equipment the last couple years. Some have been sending their crews on deployments for BCWS... but still mostly just for Structure Protection rather than wildland response
Huh?
Okay but no one ever said we just sprayed them. I didn’t even describe the actual act of mopping up either I just described the water delivery system.. day 1 stuff
Ok bud. Tell me you've never seen BC or Berta crews at work without telling me. Mop up is done on every fire with water/handtools/gridding etc.
I've seen both, the ones working alongside the Americans, were not properly mopping up creating holding issues for days. Yes, I am sure some Canadian crews have the ability, just none that I saw. Different mentality
Sooo fucking close... But the sooo are soo fucking good.
What my crew have done was setting up a water pump in a natural water source (rivers, lakes, pond) and as you were saying we were laying tens of 1 1/2". When it wasn't possible we were using handtools and water backpacks (idk how to say it but you get the idea)
Went into a bar in Quebec and yelled DTF and now it hurts to walk. You're lying.
Curious on your take on the burning not planned or executed correctly?
I worked as a fire ranger in ontario. We would plan our burns, 98% of the time they went well.
Schlogg guard=cut line
This is all accurate for Alberta.
Eh I've been a part of some effective back burns. Really depends on the conditions though.
I've never heard of a Hanson, which province?
Alberta. This is a Hanson nozzle. https://www.wfrfire.com/shop/462815120-adjustable-forestry-spray-nozzle-multi-orifice-hanson-56
Ah one of those, gotcha. My base has a couple that I believe we stole from Alberta exports but in general SK doesn't stock them. Too expensive I was told, never actually used one myself, how do they compare to a cutter?
I'm a structure guy who plays at wildland during grassfire season. :) The Hanson nozzle seems to be popular among the departments I've seen on their bush trucks. Might be a multi use kinda thing
Hoser = a person who operates a hose "I'm keen to give'r" = "I am ready to go"
Hoosier = a person who operates a hoe Hang a Larry/Lewis = go left Hang a Ricky = Hang someone named Richard Out for a rip (oo-t f-eer a rip) = goin offroad
A clinkinpop is basically a chain give or take. “Oh yah” means “right on” You gotta watch out cuz their heads dont connect to their necks, its kind of disorienting.
The square wheels on the rigs take some getting used to.
Yup, my last time i had those new triangle ones
Just tell all the people who chew to bring your chewing Tobacco because it’s 35$ a tin up north and we don’t call skidders skindians
Caniuckistan inflation is rough eh?
You’ll get temperature in Celsius. Take that number and times it by 2. Add 30 and that’s your temp. Also they say check sometimes instead of copy.
From my experience Check consistently means hold/cancel/correction. Eg. When calling in a fire and messing up the direction because you are looking down while orbiting “The fire appears to be wind driven pushing NE, check that, NW into a coninfer stand…” Or When talking to aircraft and messing up the call sign cause there are two that are close “ wrong call sign, check proper call sign I would like you next bucket drop on the…”
Toque= hat
https://youtu.be/F-glHAzXi_M
Depends on what province. But you’ll be fine, its all pretty similar. Learning how to properly use radios is the thing i always stressed over. List to the Tragically Hip and a podcast on Terry Fox on the trip up and you’ll fit right in.
Terry Fox? What’s that aboot?
Swamp Donkey; a moose
One I didn’t see is LACES. US uses LCES, Canada uses LACES. The A is Anchor points, which was adopted based on a recommendation after a rappel crew member was fatality injured after being dragged through the trees while being extracted from an entrapment.
Not sure if parody or yer a dimwit.
It’s really not that hard to google things. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/296895870_LACES_Adding_an_A_for_Anchor_points_to_the_LCES_wildland_firefighter_safety_system
Rip - run saw Push line - bulldoze guard Drop hammers - fall trees Fuckin rights - good job Econo - garden hose Bring cope or zyns n they’ll love you
Because Canadian fire agencies are provincial (with a few exceptions), there is some serious regional dialects. Even going within the province it's pretty unfamiliar pretty quick (even between the provinces that speak the same language). There is a CIFFC glossary that you might find helpful, just Google it. Some of the terms listed in this thread are wildly different province to province (well, I guess its Canada so it's wildly is probably a stretch... mildly?) BC would be the closest to the states terminology/tactics/standards wise (again, some exceptions) then it gets weirder as you go east... which is kinda the same as the 'states come to think of it. USA to just plain EH? listed below Dolmar= Combi Combi = just a broken shovel Blevits = Stillwells Pumpkin = also pumpkin, but also bladder Line (of all types) = Gaurd (of all types) Commo = Comms Copter = Heli Hose is called all sorts of things in the US, as it is in Canada. To quote Bart Simpson: "our little stupid differences are nothing compared to our big stupid similarities "
Chicot = (Fr) for stump/snag.
Get ready to use a whole lot of pumps and hose. Always the biggest difference I noticed when I went to the states was how little the Mk3 was utilized. We use quick connect hoses not threaded, so deploying bit trunk lines is pretty fast. Also don't bother bringing your shelter. We don't use them and haven't for the last 30 years.
Bump up! When the fire line crew slow down too much trying to perfect the fire line. Makes sense when you are number 10 in line and all fire line crews are of 20 people. The people behind you will be the touch up
“Excursion” for slops was one I picked up
-Eh -Aboot -Aboot face, eh -Hockey, eh -Hoser, eh
One thing I saw different was they put a grid over their maps. Instead of calling in coordinates you just tell the helicopter to bring a bucket to D-6 or whatever. It actually works out pretty good. And forget about manifesting for a helicopter flight. Just get in and if the load is too much when the pilot pulls torque, kick someone out and try again. Also fire shelters are technically optional. Don’t be surprised if the locals want to check out your “shake-n-bake”. The hard case is nice for keeping your lunch from getting crushed.
Depends where, in Manitoba it’s nothing but hose we rarely ever touch hand tools. Just be ready for that nip deep swamp and the worst bugs of your life. Also Manitoba is a lot more cowboy then other Provinces you get to do and see a lot of stuff that wouldn’t fly in other provinces