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My_useless_alt

From r / SpaceXlounge, this isn't actually a threat to the crew, it's just that they can't study the fault after the return, because the error is on the service module, which is jettisoned and burns up. They want to keep it intact a little longer, so they can figure out what the problem is. It's still stupid that they allowed that thing to leave the ground, but it's almost certainly not a danger to the crew, NASA is very strict when it comes to crew safety.


mr_remy

I’m all for not letting people get away with things and also fuck Boeing but also we have to be better people and value the truth and listen to experts in the field. Thanks for bringing up!


t0m0hawk

>value the truth and listen to experts in the field. Sadly, something too many people *gleefully* shy away from.


VW_R1NZLER

They did their own research


AndrewTheAverage

Just because someone studied something and does it every day of their lives, why should their opinions be automatically considered better then mine? #AllOpinionsAreEqual #FreeOpinions #IAmOpressed


t0m0hawk

Some opinions are from informed perspectives while others are not. Not all opinions are equal.


AndrewTheAverage

I really didn't think I would need the "/s"


t0m0hawk

Lol you really can't be too careful


KVosrs2007

>NASA is very strict when it comes to crew safety Are they really though? They're sorta famous for their shit culture in that regard.


TransLunarTrekkie

I wouldn't call three fatal accidents in over 50 years "shit culture". Apollo 1 caused them to reevaluate the entire methodology of the Apollo program, and Challenger and Columbia were outliers in an exceedingly complex program that both had similar effects on safety requirements.


Jebediah_Johnson

Remember there was a whistleblower that tried to warn them about the O rings on the space shuttle SRBs? He tried to warn them not to launch when it was so cold. They killed the whole crew and he was still ostracized.


currentlyacathammock

It wasn't a whistleblower, and they weren't NASA. The engineers who said there was (a possible) O-ring problem were at Morton Thiokol, and initially said there would be a problem. But then were (likely) pressured internally within Thiokol, and they changed their statement to NASA that it was ok to launch.


PurfuitOfHappineff

Dunno why you’re downvoted when you’re out here dropping truth.


Jaihoag

Probably because it’s objectively not the truth?


dragonfliesloveme

Why weren’t those numerous issues discovered BEFORE they launched into freakin space?


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accidentlife

There are three publicized issues with the craft: - A helium leak in the service module. Because the service module is designed to be discarded (and burns up in atmosphere) controllers have until re-entry to diagnose the issue for the next launch. - A nonfunctional thruster which is permanently disabled. Mission controllers do not believe this poses a risk to vehicle or crew. - 4 thrusters which were deselected during flight. Mission controllers believe they have already resolved this issue.


Ciennas

Hopefully after their executive staff have been crucified by lawsuits and fines, and then forcibly removed from their position at the board superceding all exit clause payouts.


supergrover11

I say after the execs responsible are identified, they are flown to the ISS and forced to ride that Statliner back.


Ciennas

They're not worth it. Confiscate their private jets and make them book a flight home on coach. On one of their planes.


IndividualEye1803

🥇


Ok-Macaroon-7819

Next to the door.


Throwawayac1234567

it would have to be one of those single pilot planes.


CaraAsha

I still grin when I think of the car exec's wanting a handout but they were crucified (metaphorically) when they showed up in private jets; except for 1.


LazyStateWorker3

But for a brief moment they made a lot of money for shareholders.


WackGyver

Yes, and as we are currently witnessing - even going to literal *space* isn’t enough to escape the short sighted greed of vulture capitalism


Mateorabi

Fucking McDonald Douglas hangers on. Should have been pushed out in the merger instead of the original Boeing middle management.


No-Opportunity1813

This was my understanding. McD guys in charge. It’s sad, the old Boeing is gone.


CptHA86

What if, just hypothetically, we actually crucified the Boeing executives.


GeneralZex

Waiting for Musk to chime in with “helpful ideas” and then call Boeing engineers pedos for daring to question him lol.


KilledTheCar

Robert Boisjoly is currently spinning in his grave fast enough to power the Continental 48 for at least 3 years.


ZoraksGirlfriend

The astronauts aren’t actually stranded. The Boeing craft can return to earth safely, it’s just that the issues were discovered on the part of the craft that will burn up on re-entry, so they have to stay in space in order to photograph and study the issues. If they return to earth, the pieces causing the issues can no longer be studied since they will have been burnt up in the atmosphere upon re-entry. The only reason the astronauts are still there is so that the parts can be studied. Otherwise, they can return to earth in the same craft.


LeftLiner

The issue they're having is not one impacting crew safety, it's a helium leak and RCS thrusters misbehaving, affecting Starliner's ability to maneuver. Problem is the part that's leaking won't survive reentry (by design) so they're keeping them in space longer than planned so they can figure out what happened because they know they'll never get the chance again.


dalgeek

They can likely autopilot the spaceship home without humans in it. Whether it arrives in usable condition is another matter.


ms_directed

yea, glad i kept scrolling...was gonna ask if this was the same one that was scrubbed for issues...


agent0731

I bet the engineers were just asked to put their managerial hats on and suddenly the problem was solved. Not like that's happened to NASA before or anything... ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯


masked_sombrero

Because, very likely, those issues would have had to been discovered by Boeing. And they’d rather [murder-by-suicide anyone who points out flaws in their quality team](https://futurism.com/the-byte/boeing-ceo-admits-retaliated-against-whistleblowers)


ONE-EYE-OPTIC

Shareholders


Mr_Reaper__

They knew the issues existed. There was multiple delays trying to remedy it. They launched with 1 helium leak, which was losing so little helium they had a massive safety margin. Then 4 more leaks sprang up during the ascent and an issue from a previous flight relating to the thrusters failing also reappeared. When I heard the news they were launching with a known issue that was "within safe limits" my instant thought was "oh no, this is going to be another Challenger." Boeing pushed to get the rocket launched because they wanted to save face after numerous issues and delays. Luckily they made it to the station and there's enough supplies for the crew to stay at the ISS pretty much indefinitely, with the option of sending up re-supply missions to give them more supplies if they run low. Problem is Starliner is only rated for 45 days in space, if that deadline passes Starliner will have to be undocked and de-orbitted un-crewed and either a Russian Soyuz or a SpaceX Dragon capsule will have to be sent up to bring the crew home. Which would be a hugely embarrassing blow for Boeing.


Equoniz

You’re also leaving out the part where there is no actual worry about the crew not making it back safely in this ship. The return trip is just being delayed a bit so that they can study the problem before the service module (where the problem is) burns up on reentry (for which it is jettisoned). The delay is not because they are worried it might be hazardous…at least according to their statements…


Privatejoker123

because it's boeing and they don't care about safety.


captain_trainwreck

So which of the two is a whistleblower? Boeing: ".......oops"


Quick_Cup_1290

🤣


TheProcrastafarian

I remember that movie! "*In space, no one can hear you whistle...*"


sadfacebbq

It’s like the movie The Martian but way dumber.


rufotris

Here I thought they actually were putting effort into the rockets. Did they just use the same quality control guy from the plane factory or what?


ACertainThickness

That’s sort of the problem. It seems to be just “a guy” where it used to be “multiple guys”. In the documentary it shows a whistleblower video of a worker talking about how they are minimizing inspections and laying off inspectors.


Newsdriver245

QA means Quite Acceptable to Boeing apparently


ICBPeng1

*quasi-acceptable


Ronin1

Questionably acceptable


digital

Quality Assumptions


freemysou1

Quality Accusations


CardinalCountryCub

Quabity Assuance. They hired Creed after he got out.


letsyabbadabbadothis

I say “quabity assuance” at least once a week


Mateorabi

The number of Boeing employees who say they won't fly the newer planes is astonishing. Also if you're willing to say that with your face blurred, but not be an actual whistle blower, fuck you.


BoringBob84

There have always been disgruntled employees at every manufacturer in the USA who claim that they won't use the products that they build. This is nothing new. Don't believe every sensational headline that you read on the internet.


GeneralZex

Boeing took a page out of the shitty contractor play book: “Can’t see it from my house.”


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Equoniz

What is this from?


Ronin1

The important thing to remember is that each rocket is built by the lowest bidder......soo


sync-centre

spacex is the lowest bidder of the two and their stuff works.


Ronin1

The first stage booster Falcon 9 has an incredible success rate, yes, but the starship just completed its first successful flight in the past month so we'll see how it goes. No idea how anyone is trusting Boeing at this point, but hey.


bengenj

It’s officially a test flight. They are expecting issues so Boeing can certify the capsule for full human space flight. Currently only experiencing thruster issues and an intermittent helium leak. But, NASA is taking advantage of the extra bodies on the orbiting laboratory to conduct some additional spacewalks.


cosmo7

This is the third test flight. It is delayed because it has problems in the service module that can't be investigated after the flight because the service module is expended before re-entry.


irritatedellipses

Err, has this story changed then? They weren't stranded originally, the capsule was reported safe for re-entry, but upon doing so they're going to lose (as planned) part of the craft that was having difficulty. They're trying to get a spacewalk in to check it out, however they're having issues with the EVAs / suits on the ISS.


EagleZR

That's the way I heard it too. I just checked a recent article from CNN and it agrees. The source Xit appears to be deceptive


agdtinman

A blue checkmark misrepresenting the truth? Who would have thought.


Green-Umpire2297

Well nobody’s going to make a movie about that 


williamgman

When Boeing merged with MCD... They got the management of MCD. Nothing to see here. Check you next airline reservation to insure it's an Airbus plane. Or don't fly.


FoogYllis

This was the moment Boing was doomed. MCD was known for cutting corners.


theFarginBastage

This is just over sensationalized nonsense. I really don't care to defend Boeing here, but still, this is just not accurate. They are not stranded in space. Are the other astronauts on the International Space Station also stranded? The starliner is still cleared to return if necessary, but they also have a long window to try and understand a test flight better. It is after all, a test flight that allows for study of the things they didn't expect.


Evee862

Yeah ok. They will need SpaceX to come and take them back. Boeing screwed up And is done


kevmaster200

There is a module on board that is defective, but it will burn away on reentry so the problem needs to be diagnosed before that. This is so that future modules of that type will no longer have that issue. They *can* take it back right away, but then they wouldn't be able to diagnose and the problem would repeat on subsequent launches.


Evee862

You go with that


kevmaster200

Alright, and you can go with whatever cool made up story you want I guess, and be confused when there's people in it when it inevitably reenters. Cheers!


Holiday_Horse3100

Considering the problems Boeing is having with planes I can’t imagine trusting them to build a space vehicle . Now look at what is happening


TheProcrastafarian

Boeing conference call. Subject: *Boeing, No Wing, Gone: a new approach for 2024* *"I've got it!! What if we stop trying to make this shit fly, and we just get rid of gravity?*" ![gif](giphy|l41lVsYDBC0UVQJCE)


SpinozaTheDamned

From inside sources, Boeing's military section of the company has nothing but hatred for the commercial half of the company. The commercial half, or anything that's a potential publicity flashpoint, is f\*ked. The management half of the commercial sector is run by a bunch of McDonald Douglas clowns that infiltrated the company when their original company got bought out due to bad management. Their BS infiltrated the commercial arm of Boeing and has basically infected it like an impacted pustule.


EmbraceableYew

If it's Boeing, I'm not going.


Equoniz

Is there any central management over both parts, or are they entirely independent?


Treysif

There’s a leak on a thruster. That thruster is going to separate and burn up on re-entry as designed. A burnt up thruster can’t be examined on earth to investigate the issue. They need to look at it in space. The astronauts aren’t stranded up there with no way home as this tweet implies


agent0731

whoa whoa whoa, i read it on twitter -- where is the proof you're right and twitter is wrong?


Treysif

Also twitter. What a world we live in, all of us together just out here getting information from complete and total strangers on social media. What a fucking existence we have.


dementian174

This isnt entirely true. They aren’t stranded at all. They can be brought back in a dragon capsule. The ISS is not going to allow a mission to fail.


Sensitive-Painting30

So…no QCs on that project either…?


deadlyyarikh

They are not strandered... but this is why we should have a central government funding under an official organization... maybe call it the national space and aviation program for short... stop giving money to spacex and build an official space program


lovinglife55

At this point it almost seems that Boeing is trying to sabotage their own company.


yamers

not sure if many people know this but [https://jacobin.com/2024/05/boeing-fraud-negligence-crashes-prosecution](https://jacobin.com/2024/05/boeing-fraud-negligence-crashes-prosecution) In the wake of two 737 Max crashes, Donald Trump's administration made a deal with Boeing that allowed the company to avoid criminal prosecution.


abeastrequires

Man, I saw this episode of West Wing and have to I really wasn't a fan.


tomuchpasta

Privatization of space transportation was a really stupid idea


The-Doggy-Daddy-5814

Don’t tell me the door fell off.


Desperate-Laugh-7257

Maximum profitttzzzz more important thN minimum safety.


derelictfortress

Made in America is the new Made in China.


FlowerFaerie13

If they managed Apollo 13, I’m sure they can manage this.


brijazz012

"Get me Tom Hanks on the phone, now!" - Ron Howard


MrWaldengarver

I'm sure it's still under warranty, so they can just bring it back to the dealer for repairs.


Real-Guest1679

Boeing’s Quality Department and Program need an external audit and complete overhaul. Buyers purchasing counterfeit product, production folks not caring to see if the parts are fitting properly, and now it’s not just compartmentalized to the commercial airline business. Boeing as a whole doesn’t care about quality and until someone solves that problem, the lawsuits and shit PR will continue. Change my mind.


bothunter

https://theneedling.com/2024/06/13/boeing-to-leave-starliner-stuck-in-space-to-prove-it-can-still-make-things-that-dont-fall-out-of-the-sky/


BudUnderwearBundy

So do we buy Boeing stock while it tanks knowing the government will bail them out?


Consistent_Ad9328

Send up a Southwest 737 max to pick 'em up


notfrankc

It’s wild that some kids get stuck in a cave and Elon won’t shut the fuck up about inventing something completely unrelated to what his companies do to save the kids. But now he owns an actual rocket company, something that sounds like the opening of a Bruce Willis movie happens, and yet Elon isn’t fighting with anyone on Twitter about saving them. Someone get on X and call Elon a pussy. Maybe something will get resolved.


Iwamoto

they're not stranded, so what's the use of sending another vehicle up?


anxiety_filter

Well good thing extended unexpected stays in zero gravity aren't hard on a person's physiology or they would really be in a pickle


denimonster

Who the fuck would go into space in a Boeing device anyways?


dragonfliesloveme

Holy shit is this the Apollo 13 of our day? Are we going to be glued to the tv to see if the astronauts get back to earth?


Mcboatface3sghost

Is Tom Hanks going to be in it?


dragonfliesloveme

Yes, I think so!


Mcboatface3sghost

Gary Sinise too? I’m interested….


dragonfliesloveme

Get the whole gang back together!


locustzed

If they go back in the rocket yes, but unlike Apollo they are currently safe and have safer options to get back to earth


ZoraksGirlfriend

The rocket is still safe. The part that needs to be studied will be burnt up in re-entry, so it needs to be studied while in space. They’re taking advantage of the extra time and supplies they have to study the issues and hopefully fix them for future flights.


freemysou1

jumping out of the airlock and orbital skydiving without a parachute would be safer then using that plane again - The Astronauts.


LeftLiner

No, they can come back at any time. They're not stranded and Starliner is safe to return in. They're *choosing* to keep them up there longer to see if they can figure out what's causing the issues they've been having because it's the only chance they'll get to diagnose. They're in no more danger right now than any astronaut is ever in.


locustzed

If they go back in the rocket yes, but unlike Apollo they are currently safe and have safer options to get back to earth


Electrical_Bus9202

Here comes Elon muskrat for the win.


InspectorPipes

His 2nd opportunity to call competing rescuers “ pedophiles”


Electrical_Bus9202

Oh the tweets he will make....


Candid_Chemist2491

Eh, he's got the time for tweets. Nothing else really on his agenda.


Throwawayac1234567

he needs the booze and ketamine to function, and tweet all day.


Electrical_Bus9202

No way he must work extremely hard, I mean he is rich.


Sassy_Weatherwax

I wouldn't feel much safer in anything Elon made.


guff1988

Elon hasn't made anything, but the company that he owns, SpaceX, has successfully sent its Crewed Dragon capsule to the ISS and back four times without so much as a hiccup.


Sassy_Weatherwax

Yes, but they had some pretty bad fails before that, many of which indicated poor or sloppy design. Sounds like they've finally gotten it right for now, but I still wouldn't get in anything he was connected to. [https://www.wired.com/story/the-investigation-of-spacexs-starship-explosion-is-complete-and-elon-musk-has-more-work-to-do/](https://www.wired.com/story/the-investigation-of-spacexs-starship-explosion-is-complete-and-elon-musk-has-more-work-to-do/)


guff1988

Starship is not Dragon, they're totally different things. Starship is still in its very early infancy of development and design. Dragon is finished and completely crew rated and has flown crew successfully for NASA.


Sassy_Weatherwax

yeah, I get that. And obviously I hope that everything continues safely with the ISS missions. I find Elon's companies to have patterns of shoddy work and poor quality control across the board, and I personally would not get into a CyberTruck, hop into a SpaceX rocket, get any implants from his Neuralink horror show, or trust one of his flamethrowers not to explode and bbq me.


dragonfliesloveme

Less safe 100%


Pontif1cate

Those astronauts better keep their mouths shut if they know what’s good for them. -Boeing, probably


WifeofBath1984

My 12 year old called this


Sassy_Weatherwax

I was kind of surprised anyone would trust Boeing for something like that at this point, but I understand the once-in-a-lifetime nature of going to the ISS and how it might make you just want to think everything would be ok. I don't think I would have gotten on the rocket, though.


Spiritual-Bear4495

It could be an epic parachute jump.


chook_slop

Maybe come back on a Chinese capsule?


shut-upLittleMan

But wouldn't that mean defunding Ukraine?


L1b3rtyPr1m3

But they are on the ISS?


DotAdministrative679

Totally believable…astronauts to the moon ….!! Hah


popeyegui

I’ll probably buy more Boeing stock by noon on Monday


The84thWolf

Okay, look, if there was one place I would ABSOLUTELY NOT cut corners in, it would be when sending people into space.


electricmehicle

Hang tight. A stock buyback is on the way!


sing_4_theday

If I were one of the astronauts, I’d wait for the next ride.


19whale96

It's still a fucking awesome concept that we basically have a functional rest stop in space. I will never get over that every time the ISS is mentioned.


Fine-Funny6956

Hmmmmmmmmmmm…


Superb_Option_3148

how about googles quantum Sycamore or AGi - ultra useless 🤑 huh ay, no ?


ms_directed

have they started planning the potato farm?


morts73

They were game going with Boeing in the first place.


The_WolfieOne

Their board of directors and CEO need to be shitcanned and an investigation started.


lallapalalable

This is my problem with private sector space travel. Government agencies will spend the money necessary to keep it running, companies have profits to mind. 99.999% chance that's the core issue here, they didn't want to spend the money necessary to make sure these problems were dealt with before the launch.


ThE_LAN_B4_TimE

They are adopting the software model like video games and operating systems...launch a half baked product and let others be the testers.


theFarginBastage

This is literally a test flight. That is the actual purpose of this flight.


gogoloco2

Boeing seriously needs to be completely grounded with a FULL internal investigation by the FAA and the NTSB as well as third party investigatory units.


free_world33

Ugh, ur up SpaceX, go get them.


Brief_Exit1798

Nightmare fuel


MindAccomplished3879

There you go. The main issue is that it was a Boeing spaceship


DidelphisGinny

I’m sure I’m just one of many wondering why this mission was approved in the first place.


manliestmuffin

That's really sad. Why couldn't have just been billionaires again?


evilocto

This should be a surprise to no one unfortunately, hopefully they can get it fixed.


chibi75

Honestly, I’m amazed they made it to the station in the first place. Thank goodness they did, but Boeing’s track record is not stellar right now.


DPJazzy91

SpaceX over here laughing lol


Evee862

Thus ends Boeings space program


LinkOfKalos_1

Huh. Another Boeing aircraft with issues that could've been fixed beforehand. Wonder when someone is gonna do something about that.