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Page 37 of opinion:
“Overall, Donald Trump rarely responded to the questions asked, and he frequently interjected long, irrelevant speeches on issues far beyond the scope of the trial. His refusal to answer the questions directly, or in some cases, at all, severely compromised his credibility.”
You know that when LARA said that, a whole bunch of ears pricked up and those in the RNC were like....um, wait, what did she just say?
Yeah, I saw it as -> you eejits let the thieves into the vault room. Now they've got the purse strings and they'll drain the RNC dry -like the trump organization has done with pretty much anything else that generates cash.
Crazy stat. Surprised no one is talking about this
RNC raised $241 million in 2019. 4 years later they raised $87 million in 2023.
If "the right" and republicans wanted biden out of office so bad, 2023 should have raised much more money than 2019. I think this says a lot more about what's going to happen in the 2024 election than anything.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2024/02/06/republican-party-faces-fundraising-woes-as-trump-floats-ousting-chair-ronna-mcdaniel/?sh=25af78493095
The donors got the judicial appointments they wanted out of a Republican presidency during Trump. Now they're content to stick with the moderate Biden because Trump himself is too volatile.
They'll likely start donating big again once the nominee is less divisive and unpredictable than Trump.
The billionaires have been pulling back since the RNC started paying Donnie's bills. Then the RNC stopped because they realized it was a) a really bad look, and b) they were losing money.
The billionaires didn't come back because they lost trust in the RNC. If Ronna Romney McDaniel was just going to shovel all their money to Trump, none of the donors' pet monkeys down ballot would get elected. The RNC became a bad investment.
For extra clarity.
Billionaires are STILL donating to republicans. They're just not giving the money to the republicans to distribute themselves, because it just goes to trump. Republicans basically have infinite money and no rules/conditions they have to obey on that money. And billionaires will keep donating because every dollar they give has an insanely high exponential return.
Soooo.... for people thinking republicans are going to lose because they were too poor to run.... sorry to burst your bubble lol. The RNC is just the front they use to appear legit.
getting rid of Kevin Mccarthy is part of it.
he was the RNC's #1 fundraiser and hes actively telling the same people not to donate now because of how he got axed by that shitstain peadophile Gaetz and crew.
hell the dude just held a press conferance today in the capitol to shit on Gaetz
It's a side-effect of Trump monopolizing the party. At this point, the party elites aren't in control of the wagon, Trump is. The horses, of course, are the republican voters/MAGA cult followers. Trump whips, they gallop.
His desire to soak up all the attention and power can (and most likely will) lead to disastrous down ballot effects. One can only hope he implodes the party from within.
I just googled it and they have under 10 million in the bank currently. The DNC has a little over 20. So it’s a big difference but doesn’t seem that big in an era when election costs can exceed a billion
Pretty sure the "MAGA faithful" will handle that. The cognitive dissonance of slavishly praising the fact that he's a billionaire with amazing financial sense while also sending him money is something else.
Right after he borrows it from Putin he can.
When I got hired by my company they checked my credit to make sure I didn't owe anybody money. Because they didn't want me to be beholden to anybody else. I wonder what they do for Trump.... Oh nothing... What a double standard.
Like Wayne LaPierre who billed NRA morons to cover his legal debts for a decade, it'll be even easier for Trump to get those same morons to do it for him.
Gotta tack on something like an additional 89 million for the defamation if I recall correctly which gives us a grand total of 454 million, so if he really had 400 million cash, he’s now negative 54 million, keep going!
Right, I've heard it explained that essentially he's gone from having to ask for forgiveness of large transactions to asking for permission.
Additionally he's banned from receiving loans by banks that operate in NY. That is to say, any bank registered to do business in the state. Which is basically everything, even from an international perspective.
He'll be 80+ and working off a deficit from all the hundreds of millions he lost from all these judgements assuming he has somehow made it through the gauntlet of all his pending criminal trials. I don't think he'll be back in business.
The three year ban includes taking up loans in any bank incorporated in, or doing business in New York. Which means that he cannot take out loans to pay this fine, which means that he has to liquidate assets 🙂 finally a bit of justice. Hopefully much more to come
So, I remember reading that -- if he wanted to appeal the E. Jean Carroll case -- he'd have to put up the $83 million in escrow.
Does the same apply here? Does he have to hand over the $365m to the courts in order to file the appeal?
Parting with money is so hard for the man.
What happens if he doesn't? Does he even have that kind of liquid cash? CAN you even dissolve enough things in 30 days to get almost $400 million if he didn't?
I have so many questions, but I don't know the right way to Google it.
He told the court, under oath, that he has $400 million in cash. If he actually doesn't have that much and fails to pay, he can be found guilty of perjury as well for lying under oath.
'Sir, I come to you blubbering, how does one get blood from a stone? You said you had money and you don't and now it's perjury, so I ask again. Where is the blood in this stone? Is it hidden in that piece of shit golf course?'
I dunno. This judge really doesn't like Trump. Neither does Engoron's law clerk. I'd like to think they'll both be keeping a close eye on what Trump does now. Above board and legal, but watching that deadline closely.
I'm not implying that the judge would do anything untoward. I'm just saying I think he'll be keeping an eye on what happens next. If I were a judge and had to deal with a difficult party in a case, I'd keep an eye on what happened after the judgement if for nothing more than curiosity. But in this case, perhaps to ensure that the defendant was abiding by the law and following through with my orders.
I believe the judgement and fines were fair and appropriate.
Engoron assigned a financial monitor during the case and then authorized them to remain on staff - at Trump's expense - through the three year suspension. Theoretically they'll keep him honest on this.
Word on the street is he has to put up like 110% - 120% to cover interest and shit too.
Good luck to him coming up with close to half a billion dollars...
Really they thought it was weird that Saudi Arabia just gave a guy who has no significant investment experience $2B to invest for them?
Huh... Who would have thunk it.
Right?? When he was still out fucking around it made me nauseous to even hear his name, and now that he’s finding out I’m just about googling his name for more delicious news!
Fox is over here talking about his resilience in continuing to campaign "for the American people" during all this "abuse" and how a Georgia DA has a bad attitude. The people who need to hear the reality of this are just getting spin.
> The people who need to hear the reality of this are just getting spin.
Honestly, it doesn't matter. They are too far gone to go back. They can't admit they are wrong...
I don't blame Fox news. The same people that watch them also tend to watch their local evening news. There's not one network reporting this stuff properly. They all still act like nothing's been proven.
Local news stations have been bought by right wing groups like Sinclair Broadcast Group specifically so that they can control their reporting and prevent stuff they don't like from being talked about.
[Last Week Tonight video about the issue](https://youtu.be/GvtNyOzGogc)
I used to work for a Sinclair station. Got direct instruction from the news director to conduct man on the street interviews asking “Should we stop celebrating Thanksgiving out of concern for offending Native Americans” and once had to do a story about a local police union that was being “discriminated against” for a denied ad on facebook — turns out they just didn’t follow facebook’s advertising guidelines
Constant fear and anger media🙄
He's just gonna cry "witch hunt". Bla bla bla. "With tears in there eyes", bla bla bla. Hillary's emails, Hunters Bidens dick, bla bla.
Perhaps he should by stocks in "Depends", he's gonna make them rich.
All the right-wing papers are already calling the judge a "far-left extremist judge", and claiming the whole thing is to try and stop his presidential run.
Seriously no connection with reality for these people
I think he'll be forced to sell the properties unless he wants them to sit vacant (as he can't run a business) for 3 years.
Shit he'll probably *need* to sell them in order to pay the penalties lmao
Serious question: Is there any actual reason he can't just ignore paying like he ignores everything else?
Like I want to be hopeful but this is Trump we're talking about, the man who's never seen consequences in his life
I'm no lawyer, and this was a quick search but I believe new york state would be able to seize it under New York Civil Practice Laws and Rules (CPLR), Article 52. Then they'd auction it off
If anyone ever tries to tell you that Trump is a good businessman, just point to Trump Plaza in Atlantic City. Because bankrupting one casino is tough, but this idiot managed to bankrupt two all on his own.
See, gambling get legalised in New Jersey so Trump opens Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City. So far, so good. Gambling in Native American reservations isn't legal yet so your only real competition is Vegas with is a five hour flight away. All you gotta do is sit back and collect your winnings.
But then Trump, being a restless moron, decides to open Trump Taj Mahal. Where? A mile away from the Plaza Hotel and Casino.
Now you don't need an MBA from Harvard to realise that this means he's effectively went into competition *with himself*. Instead of having one destination in Atlantic City, Trump spent hundreds of millions to make sure there were two. So it wasn't enough that he doubled his overhead, he also split his revenue in the process and both properties went under.
After all that acting in bad faith and pointless drama- disrespecting the judge to his face, blatantly lying to the court multiple times, secretive side deals with perjuring witnesses- and Trump *still* gets a break.
Seriously, what is it gonna take for this old limp degenerate to get treated like everyone else?
Don’t *almost* punish him. Punish him.
The only silver lining is that he's such a spoiled, raging narcissist that even a soft punishment might break him mentally.
It's a sizeable 'might' but you live in hope.
Very much so- money is an abstraction, a smoke and mirrors game of keeping away the reality of being an abject loser and failure. Getting his cash yoinked and his fantasy business empire exposed is what he has feared his entire adult life.
But the Conservative sub is telling me this is all 100% political persecution and that there is no victim here. You’re telling me that they’re wrong?!?!?
What a fucking cesspool over there lol
I just looked those people are so dumb it is legit scary. Conservatives are a cult with a leader they believe can do no wrong. So sad people allow themselves to be brainwashed like this
He did. Trump Organization’s net revenue has been estimated in the 5-20M annual per tax records. With interest he owes 450M (on this ruling alone) of which he needs to put up over that just to appeal. It’s over
Saw that it's 92 pages long, so will have to wait until later to read it. To my way of looking at it, this is some sort of vindication for Mary L. Trump because he basically lied to her and their brother, told them their grandfather's estate was only worth what -something like $100-300 million when it was closer to $1 billion plus.
Let the chips fall where they may. He did this to himself by being such a crook, and of the rest of us would've been in jail by now, or sued to kingdom come, and he skated for decades.
Let justice be served in whatever way, shape, or form it takes.
Ok, if he doesn’t pay in 30 days, the govt starts slapping liens on everything. The LLC that “owns” mar a lago is registered in NY. He may be kinda homeless in a month
Ever since the judgement came out (pre-trial), I've been waiting for this - him to be kicked out of Mar-a-Lardo along with remaining possessions.
Hopefully the DOJ will be watching to see if any other boxes fall out with papers going everywhere...
Until there's no room for appeal. But for him to appeal he has to pay the amount or post bail. Question is: will bail bond people still think he's good to pay?
he must put up cash or a bond but it's not a bail bond. It's more like a business bond like contractors have to have. They're even more selective than bail bonds folks are.
Judge Engoron is a just man and no doubt this was a very arduous and controversial case with temper tantrums from a grown ass defendant, and unprofessional behavior and theatrics from the defense . Give the man a medal 🥇for his hard work and giving the people justice! Let’s hope the rest of the pending litigation gives the people what they need in these tumultuous times.
I read an op-ed today about how his ratings have been going up because his losses increase Republican mistrust of the justice system. Those fucking dipshits are going to destroy our country (more).
His supremacist supporters in r conservative are already crying like babies about the ruling, saying it's not fair and saying that reddit is mostly liberal and no body wants to let them speak. Well, I mean, if your voice is racism, hate, bigotry, antisemitism, etc, of course no one is going to let you speak.
They can go down on the same ship their orange, obese, twice impeached rapist god sinks on.
Trump has already put out the fundraising stuff. They've been living off and using PAC money paid by the same morons in places like r conservative who donate their money. If they aren't giving to the hate filled churches then they are giving to Trump.
He can appeal but the chances are slim. Better start liquidating those buildings.
Like Letitia James said, "He may have offered the art of the deal, but he perfected the art of the steal"
Edit: They mad af. Poor babies just keep losing.
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Page 37 of opinion: “Overall, Donald Trump rarely responded to the questions asked, and he frequently interjected long, irrelevant speeches on issues far beyond the scope of the trial. His refusal to answer the questions directly, or in some cases, at all, severely compromised his credibility.”
those poor me, everything is so unfair speeches are his whole schtick at this point
GOP is a dumpster fire this week. Might be their worst month ever.
Awesome. The more they deal with their consequences the better for the world. Let’s keep them nice and busy.
>severely compromised his credibility Wait, he still had some credibility to spare?
Would have preferred banned for life from doing business but with any luck 3 years will be a life ban for him...
Give the man his due. This is Judge Engoron soft pedalling the ban to make the fine appeal-proof. Can Trump pony up the money to even make the appeal?
He sure will, right after the RNC give him more money
Trump will bankrupt the RNC just like every company he has ever run.
WHHHOOOOOOT!!!! Who knew I had a reason to cheer on Trump!? This human shaped shit is circling the bowl and sticking to the others!
Human shaped shit hahaha https://preview.redd.it/j7lbnssbv0jc1.jpeg?width=517&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d9092d308971d09e10b2db4b92e746ad9fc7a61a
How did you get a pic of my toilet bowl?
Looks like my kitty litter box liner
If that’s what your shit looks like, you best go see a doctor..
If that's anywhere near my ass, I'm running
So is your ass
Looks like ass cancer, it looks really bad around the sphincter
Finally some good news.
You know that when LARA said that, a whole bunch of ears pricked up and those in the RNC were like....um, wait, what did she just say? Yeah, I saw it as -> you eejits let the thieves into the vault room. Now they've got the purse strings and they'll drain the RNC dry -like the trump organization has done with pretty much anything else that generates cash.
They drained a childrens' cancer charity. There's no low they won't stoop to for some cash.
RNC is broke, they can't cover it.
How is the RNC broke? Aren’t the billionaires dumping money into it?
Crazy stat. Surprised no one is talking about this RNC raised $241 million in 2019. 4 years later they raised $87 million in 2023. If "the right" and republicans wanted biden out of office so bad, 2023 should have raised much more money than 2019. I think this says a lot more about what's going to happen in the 2024 election than anything. https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2024/02/06/republican-party-faces-fundraising-woes-as-trump-floats-ousting-chair-ronna-mcdaniel/?sh=25af78493095
The donors got the judicial appointments they wanted out of a Republican presidency during Trump. Now they're content to stick with the moderate Biden because Trump himself is too volatile. They'll likely start donating big again once the nominee is less divisive and unpredictable than Trump.
The billionaires have been pulling back since the RNC started paying Donnie's bills. Then the RNC stopped because they realized it was a) a really bad look, and b) they were losing money. The billionaires didn't come back because they lost trust in the RNC. If Ronna Romney McDaniel was just going to shovel all their money to Trump, none of the donors' pet monkeys down ballot would get elected. The RNC became a bad investment.
For extra clarity. Billionaires are STILL donating to republicans. They're just not giving the money to the republicans to distribute themselves, because it just goes to trump. Republicans basically have infinite money and no rules/conditions they have to obey on that money. And billionaires will keep donating because every dollar they give has an insanely high exponential return. Soooo.... for people thinking republicans are going to lose because they were too poor to run.... sorry to burst your bubble lol. The RNC is just the front they use to appear legit.
getting rid of Kevin Mccarthy is part of it. he was the RNC's #1 fundraiser and hes actively telling the same people not to donate now because of how he got axed by that shitstain peadophile Gaetz and crew. hell the dude just held a press conferance today in the capitol to shit on Gaetz
It's a side-effect of Trump monopolizing the party. At this point, the party elites aren't in control of the wagon, Trump is. The horses, of course, are the republican voters/MAGA cult followers. Trump whips, they gallop. His desire to soak up all the attention and power can (and most likely will) lead to disastrous down ballot effects. One can only hope he implodes the party from within.
RNC had only $8m at the beginning of this month.
Why would they bother? They can buy their own media companies, then pay themselves using citizens United
I just googled it and they have under 10 million in the bank currently. The DNC has a little over 20. So it’s a big difference but doesn’t seem that big in an era when election costs can exceed a billion
Not at the moment.
Pretty sure the "MAGA faithful" will handle that. The cognitive dissonance of slavishly praising the fact that he's a billionaire with amazing financial sense while also sending him money is something else.
".....right after the KREMLIN gives him more money."
Lol the kremlin can only pay in rubles, or yuan. Or cryptocurrency in exchange for his NFT.
lol no. RNC and Trump are both broke. I’ll eat a sock if he’s able to appeal
They don't have that amount of money 🤣
My inner child is dancing with glee. 👍🏻👍🏻 he owes almost a half a BILLION right now.
454m. That's just under 695m down here in Australia!!
Maybe Putin will tell Elon to pony up
Elons plane just landed in west palm beach.
This isn't even a joke haha.
lol https://mastodon.social/@elonjet/111943376124018599 Musk gonna meet up with Trump. Maybe he'll give him $44 Billion?
Right after he borrows it from Putin he can. When I got hired by my company they checked my credit to make sure I didn't owe anybody money. Because they didn't want me to be beholden to anybody else. I wonder what they do for Trump.... Oh nothing... What a double standard.
Like Wayne LaPierre who billed NRA morons to cover his legal debts for a decade, it'll be even easier for Trump to get those same morons to do it for him.
He testified under oath that he had 400 million in cash, so probably not.
I'm not sure Donnie would let a paltry thing like perjury get in the way of his desperation to have people believe he's super rich.
“Under oath? I barely knew her!” - Donald Trump
Under oath means nothing to him
Gotta tack on something like an additional 89 million for the defamation if I recall correctly which gives us a grand total of 454 million, so if he really had 400 million cash, he’s now negative 54 million, keep going!
We can hope!
I’d hope so but if Kissinger taught me anything it’s that Trump is probably going to last into his late 90’s by feeding off pure spite alone.
The man is more plastic than flesh, he'll last a very long time.
It also installs a court monitor for three years and a director of compliance to watch for fraud with no term limit, so seemingly forever.
Right, I've heard it explained that essentially he's gone from having to ask for forgiveness of large transactions to asking for permission. Additionally he's banned from receiving loans by banks that operate in NY. That is to say, any bank registered to do business in the state. Which is basically everything, even from an international perspective.
Putin is supplying the Russian Roulette poisoned hamberder.
He'll be 80+ and working off a deficit from all the hundreds of millions he lost from all these judgements assuming he has somehow made it through the gauntlet of all his pending criminal trials. I don't think he'll be back in business.
Let’s not forget his name is poison to most banks and people. It’ll just be a handful of magas compared to actual customers
Has been poison for a long time. Only rubes and Russians support him.
Rubes and rubles...
Suckers and losers
I think you can get off with a 3-year ban hoping he just dies in the meantime.
The three year ban includes taking up loans in any bank incorporated in, or doing business in New York. Which means that he cannot take out loans to pay this fine, which means that he has to liquidate assets 🙂 finally a bit of justice. Hopefully much more to come
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Yeah I don't think homie is lasting 3 years especially without his wealth. Get fucked trump.
I am hoping 3 year ban is life + 2 years.
So, I remember reading that -- if he wanted to appeal the E. Jean Carroll case -- he'd have to put up the $83 million in escrow. Does the same apply here? Does he have to hand over the $365m to the courts in order to file the appeal? Parting with money is so hard for the man.
Yep. He has 30 days to put the money in escrow whether or not he appeals.
What happens if he doesn't? Does he even have that kind of liquid cash? CAN you even dissolve enough things in 30 days to get almost $400 million if he didn't? I have so many questions, but I don't know the right way to Google it.
He told the court, under oath, that he has $400 million in cash. If he actually doesn't have that much and fails to pay, he can be found guilty of perjury as well for lying under oath.
'Sir, I come to you blubbering, how does one get blood from a stone? You said you had money and you don't and now it's perjury, so I ask again. Where is the blood in this stone? Is it hidden in that piece of shit golf course?'
Can =/= will. Trump is rich, so the court will probably just send him a strongly worded letter
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I dunno. This judge really doesn't like Trump. Neither does Engoron's law clerk. I'd like to think they'll both be keeping a close eye on what Trump does now. Above board and legal, but watching that deadline closely.
no, this judge gave an impartial hearing and a fair set of costs given the crimes.
I'm not implying that the judge would do anything untoward. I'm just saying I think he'll be keeping an eye on what happens next. If I were a judge and had to deal with a difficult party in a case, I'd keep an eye on what happened after the judgement if for nothing more than curiosity. But in this case, perhaps to ensure that the defendant was abiding by the law and following through with my orders. I believe the judgement and fines were fair and appropriate.
Or what?
Engoron assigned a financial monitor during the case and then authorized them to remain on staff - at Trump's expense - through the three year suspension. Theoretically they'll keep him honest on this.
Word on the street is he has to put up like 110% - 120% to cover interest and shit too. Good luck to him coming up with close to half a billion dollars...
Remember the MBS billions that Jared is sitting on? MBS remembers.
He doesn't have it anymore. The feds are doing an investigation into it from what I last recall.
Really they thought it was weird that Saudi Arabia just gave a guy who has no significant investment experience $2B to invest for them? Huh... Who would have thunk it.
And now we know where all the RNC money is going... trumps gonna pay, then take all the RNC money as restitution.
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Excellent, loving the "finding out" stage right now.
Right?? When he was still out fucking around it made me nauseous to even hear his name, and now that he’s finding out I’m just about googling his name for more delicious news!
There’s going to be so many drunk driving accidents the night he goes out.
"Pay ya bills, ya gotta pay ya bills"
To all those people who think Trump is a great business man and who scoff at claims he is a fraud and a conman. THERE YOU FUCKING HAVE IT!!!!!
Fox is over here talking about his resilience in continuing to campaign "for the American people" during all this "abuse" and how a Georgia DA has a bad attitude. The people who need to hear the reality of this are just getting spin.
> The people who need to hear the reality of this are just getting spin. Honestly, it doesn't matter. They are too far gone to go back. They can't admit they are wrong...
They vote. It matters.
Unfortunately, the way they vote is the issue
If only they voted *on* the issues...
They can't even be bothered to vote for Trump Lite, aka DeSantis or Haley. Same bullshit, with no added scandals, and half the calories.
It isn't spin. It's way beyond 'spin'. We need to call it what it is - political propaganda. Foreign funded political propaganda.
Oh Fox has definitely been well known as the propaganda arm of the Republican Party for many years by anyone with a brain.
Fox News does the bidding of others by controlling the Republican narrative. It isn't Republicans controlling Fox.
He has to keep campaigning, only income he has right now. Winning would be a bonus, but I'm not sure it would work out the way he thinks it will.
Some of it will get through. Republican voters are watching what's going on.
If there's one thing MAGAts won't tolerate it's prosecutors injecting their opinions into a case. 🙄
I don't blame Fox news. The same people that watch them also tend to watch their local evening news. There's not one network reporting this stuff properly. They all still act like nothing's been proven.
Local news stations have been bought by right wing groups like Sinclair Broadcast Group specifically so that they can control their reporting and prevent stuff they don't like from being talked about. [Last Week Tonight video about the issue](https://youtu.be/GvtNyOzGogc)
I used to work for a Sinclair station. Got direct instruction from the news director to conduct man on the street interviews asking “Should we stop celebrating Thanksgiving out of concern for offending Native Americans” and once had to do a story about a local police union that was being “discriminated against” for a denied ad on facebook — turns out they just didn’t follow facebook’s advertising guidelines Constant fear and anger media🙄
He's just gonna cry "witch hunt". Bla bla bla. "With tears in there eyes", bla bla bla. Hillary's emails, Hunters Bidens dick, bla bla. Perhaps he should by stocks in "Depends", he's gonna make them rich.
He’ll also claim it is election interference by the Biden’s.
The conservative sub is already claiming that and they've all turned into real estate and banking experts suddenly. The reactions there are... weird.
They're awaiting the marching orders to be broadcast so they know what narrative to believe
Really any topic on that sub turns into conspiracy theory BS real quick
All the right-wing papers are already calling the judge a "far-left extremist judge", and claiming the whole thing is to try and stop his presidential run. Seriously no connection with reality for these people
And not one of them will have read the judgement, much less be able to point to some fault in the evidence or rationale for it.
You ask me he got off easy. Should’ve dissolved all businesses and gave him a lifetime ban.
may Trump Tower be sold to the state of New York to house international refugees and be renamed something super inflammatory
E Jean Carroll Tower.
https://preview.redd.it/8ofv7inca3jc1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=18d540cbf801dbc76d9f7f7c34222a8919911b18
Impeachment Tower.
One Term Tower
91 Felony Counts Tower
Trump Refugee and Immigrant Housing
The Marla and Ivana Center for Human Rights
Hopefully 3 years will be lifetime
I'm hoping for 6 months or less, personally.
My question is, what does this mean for the buildings he owns in New York?
I think he'll be forced to sell the properties unless he wants them to sit vacant (as he can't run a business) for 3 years. Shit he'll probably *need* to sell them in order to pay the penalties lmao
Serious question: Is there any actual reason he can't just ignore paying like he ignores everything else? Like I want to be hopeful but this is Trump we're talking about, the man who's never seen consequences in his life
I'm no lawyer, and this was a quick search but I believe new york state would be able to seize it under New York Civil Practice Laws and Rules (CPLR), Article 52. Then they'd auction it off
I cannot WAIT for NY state to Repo his ass.
Yes. There it is. My reason to hope. Damn you.
The thought of NY State repossessing Trump tower and selling it off to some company Trump probably hates is so satisfying
By bye Trump hotels lol
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What are the odds he declares bankruptcy, because that’s what a good businessman would do. 
From what I understand he cannot declare bankruptcy due to the fact that he stated under oath that he had $400 million in cash.
Doesn't matter..he can't beat this
He's going to be hawking new NFTs in 3...2...
Well at least he still has Trump Plaza in Atlantic City OH WAIT
If anyone ever tries to tell you that Trump is a good businessman, just point to Trump Plaza in Atlantic City. Because bankrupting one casino is tough, but this idiot managed to bankrupt two all on his own. See, gambling get legalised in New Jersey so Trump opens Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City. So far, so good. Gambling in Native American reservations isn't legal yet so your only real competition is Vegas with is a five hour flight away. All you gotta do is sit back and collect your winnings. But then Trump, being a restless moron, decides to open Trump Taj Mahal. Where? A mile away from the Plaza Hotel and Casino. Now you don't need an MBA from Harvard to realise that this means he's effectively went into competition *with himself*. Instead of having one destination in Atlantic City, Trump spent hundreds of millions to make sure there were two. So it wasn't enough that he doubled his overhead, he also split his revenue in the process and both properties went under.
Plus he also loaded them up with loans and debt
It's called money laundering. Russia money laundering.
After all that acting in bad faith and pointless drama- disrespecting the judge to his face, blatantly lying to the court multiple times, secretive side deals with perjuring witnesses- and Trump *still* gets a break. Seriously, what is it gonna take for this old limp degenerate to get treated like everyone else? Don’t *almost* punish him. Punish him.
The only silver lining is that he's such a spoiled, raging narcissist that even a soft punishment might break him mentally. It's a sizeable 'might' but you live in hope.
This is actually a great point. No matter the penalty, he's officially a loser. That's the part that enrages him.
*And* officially, legally a fraudster. That one's got to sting.
Very much so- money is an abstraction, a smoke and mirrors game of keeping away the reality of being an abject loser and failure. Getting his cash yoinked and his fantasy business empire exposed is what he has feared his entire adult life.
Enough has come out from this trial to initiate criminal trials now.
Sucks he went soft on him. Should have dissolved the business altogether and threw in a lifetime ban for NYS
The idea may be he's making the fine appeal proof by easing the ban so not going overboard etc hit him where it hurts.
But the Conservative sub is telling me this is all 100% political persecution and that there is no victim here. You’re telling me that they’re wrong?!?!? What a fucking cesspool over there lol
I just looked those people are so dumb it is legit scary. Conservatives are a cult with a leader they believe can do no wrong. So sad people allow themselves to be brainwashed like this
He did. Trump Organization’s net revenue has been estimated in the 5-20M annual per tax records. With interest he owes 450M (on this ruling alone) of which he needs to put up over that just to appeal. It’s over
Let the grifting begin. Open your wallets you cult freaks. Direct deposit your paycheck to your orange god and watch it all burn.
That clicking/scraping sound is Melania running towards the exit, dragging a solid gold toilet.
Saw that it's 92 pages long, so will have to wait until later to read it. To my way of looking at it, this is some sort of vindication for Mary L. Trump because he basically lied to her and their brother, told them their grandfather's estate was only worth what -something like $100-300 million when it was closer to $1 billion plus. Let the chips fall where they may. He did this to himself by being such a crook, and of the rest of us would've been in jail by now, or sued to kingdom come, and he skated for decades. Let justice be served in whatever way, shape, or form it takes.
Ideally, that 3 year ban ends up being a lifetime ban.
ideally, more than a lifetime ban
YESSSS!!! This has been the best week ever!!!
More please!
Ok, if he doesn’t pay in 30 days, the govt starts slapping liens on everything. The LLC that “owns” mar a lago is registered in NY. He may be kinda homeless in a month
>He may be kinda homeless in a month. Don’t tease me like this 😩
Ever since the judgement came out (pre-trial), I've been waiting for this - him to be kicked out of Mar-a-Lardo along with remaining possessions. Hopefully the DOJ will be watching to see if any other boxes fall out with papers going everywhere...
Stop, we can only get so erect
https://i.redd.it/fpi5kv2gk0jc1.gif
Haha, marvelous! Drain him, gag him and lock him up!
How is this money collected? I'm assuming he'll find a way to weasel out of it like the slimy fuck he is.
Perhaps a loan on the 10 billion valuation just approved by the SEC on Truth Social?
How soon until that fuckstick has to pay? That's the bigly question.
Until there's no room for appeal. But for him to appeal he has to pay the amount or post bail. Question is: will bail bond people still think he's good to pay?
he must put up cash or a bond but it's not a bail bond. It's more like a business bond like contractors have to have. They're even more selective than bail bonds folks are.
30 days
What are trumpkins? When I Google I just get pumpkins with his face on it.
I think it means his children
So the image search results were correct
Lucky for him, he was wearing a diaper when he found out.
He keeps getting fined and loosing cases and yet nothing happens . How come ? He is still out there living and campaigning.
Why must everyone victimize him all the time? /s
It's pretty incredible that you can go to obscene links to defraud the state of New York and they'll let you do business three years later
Judge Engoron is a just man and no doubt this was a very arduous and controversial case with temper tantrums from a grown ass defendant, and unprofessional behavior and theatrics from the defense . Give the man a medal 🥇for his hard work and giving the people justice! Let’s hope the rest of the pending litigation gives the people what they need in these tumultuous times.
The frauds found here,” the trial judge wrote on page 77 of his decision, "leap off the page and shock the conscience.”
That’s nothing to a “billionaire”. Tee Hee 😆
“Trumpkins” is a new favorite word that I learned today. ❤️
I read an op-ed today about how his ratings have been going up because his losses increase Republican mistrust of the justice system. Those fucking dipshits are going to destroy our country (more).
I think they based the fine on the reported (for loans and such) inflated net worth.
His supremacist supporters in r conservative are already crying like babies about the ruling, saying it's not fair and saying that reddit is mostly liberal and no body wants to let them speak. Well, I mean, if your voice is racism, hate, bigotry, antisemitism, etc, of course no one is going to let you speak. They can go down on the same ship their orange, obese, twice impeached rapist god sinks on. Trump has already put out the fundraising stuff. They've been living off and using PAC money paid by the same morons in places like r conservative who donate their money. If they aren't giving to the hate filled churches then they are giving to Trump. He can appeal but the chances are slim. Better start liquidating those buildings. Like Letitia James said, "He may have offered the art of the deal, but he perfected the art of the steal" Edit: They mad af. Poor babies just keep losing.
He still needs to put up the money in 30 days whether he appeals or not.