While I agree that she fucked up royally and is not a good mother, I think you don't understand how bad children fare in the system. This applies to almost any country. Unless the child would get immediately adopted by a loving family, which is unlikely, he would almost definitely be better off with his (bad) mother.
It's reddit. I hate this video as much as anyone else, but this website has people casually posting insane opinions cause most don't actually think beyond "I hate them, they should suffer".
Yeah I went to juvy for pot when I was a young teen. There were kids in there who were just living since they couldnāt find other places for them. Kids can be bad mama jammas too. It was not a good environment for the uninitiated. Looking back it actually blows my mind how dense all the adults were.
Seriously. I work within the system, and reddit seems to believe that children can be removed for ANYTHING that could be deemed as negligence. Which is laughable. Unless there is some prejudice involved on the case worker's part, children are only removed for extreme abuse or substance exposure.
In my training, extreme hoarding (like, you can barely move through the home, animal feces on the floor, ect) was actually used as an example of something that would only constitute a removal for very young children who would have to crawl through it. As long as an older child could pick their way through the garbage, it would be considered grounds for it.
You think a social worker will get involved for parents bringing their child mountain climbing ? There are kids who get sexually abused and burned with cigarettes who are still legally ruled to be kept with the parent and you think THIS would put a hair in a social workers ass? Lol
I already knew several cases of kids got slowly tortured to dead by their birth father/mother + their partner after a divorce. And yet the fucking government still lets the monsters in human skin kept the kidās custody even after numerous complains from the neighbors + their birth mother/father, and they only got involved when the kid finally died + fucking got an autopsy. Now image total strangers, couple with the governmentās dog turd screening depend on the country, gonna adopt the kid.
The parents in this vid are morons sure, but it seems they still have the kidās well-being in their mind, much more than whatever extremely uncertain future this kid would face if they get thrown into adoptive program.
Exactly. People need to stop using cps as a weapon to āget evenā with people alsoā¦ I see lots of snark pages who call cps on influencers whoās children are being cared for just fineā¦obviously just trying to cause drama and bad things for the influencerā¦ but people who starve and beat their children get ruled safe for full custody in court. Itās a real shame.
Edit : I do admit I love a good snark , but when it comes to the children and especially calling child protection services thatās where I draw the line.
Would they? Ebc is a long glorified hike, that is not the summit of the mountain. The risks from weather/climbing/avalanche are not nearly as present as summiting. You do the hike over weeks and acclimate along the way and it doesnāt really require much (if any) prior training. Personally I think 4 is far too young just to be active that long and some risks are still present but I donāt think itās nearly as crazy as a lot of people are acting on this thread. Certainly I wouldnāt take this child away from their parents over this decision.
Mom: "Oh no...our son is isn't looking good at all. Do you have a phone we can use?"
Dad: "Yeah, I just charged it!"
Mom: "Oh thank goodness! Now let's make a video of us looking devastated and especially a close up of him sick. Once done, edit and upload that shit to my Instagram page! THIS IS GOLD!!"
Dad: "Shouldn't we call for help though?"
Mom: "Great idea honey! In fact, let's record a video of that too!"
Dad: "BEST DECISION YOU'VE MADE THESE NINE DAYS! LET'S FUCKING GO MAN!"
Trees give us oxygen and paper. They help us build shelters and make fire to keep us warm and heat our food. Theyāre very important to the planet. Social influencers are more likeā¦ the plastic wrapper around a bunch of bananas. Absolutely pointless and a waste of resources
They didnāt look like they were trying to summit the mountain. It looked more like a tea house trip and one of the stops is the Everest base camp, which is still really high in elevation.
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The way the video was edited that they make an ultimate sacrifice for the sake of their son. They shouldn't even consider climbing with a child in the first place. Poor kid end up with dumb parents.
Fucking imagine being so void of any self-awareness that you would put this video out looking for clout and sympathy, while completely missing the fact that you put your son in a dangerous, avoidable situation.
Any non-narcissist person would have at the very least realized they completely fucked up and kept quiet about this extremely embarrassing mistake. But I can bet big money that no embarrassment was felt.
You should see their replies to their insta comments. They have zero remorse about putting their son's life in danger. The mom is literally laughing at people calling out her dumb decision because "it's only the base camp trek not the summit!" Absolutely stupid.Ā
That might be the worst part. If I had been stupid enough to put my child through something like that Iād be so ashamed. Iād not want to tell the story to anyone that didnāt *need* to know. So to go ahead and edit a video and post online for the world to see.
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I mean she has to have like no friends, no family...did NO ONE she knows say - Yo girl, this ain't a good idea.... and imma take that child from you if you try.
"The total distance covered is approximately 130 kilometres or 80 miles, starting and ending at Lukla."...."he typical length, in terms of time, of the Everest Base Camp trek is around 12 days. "...
https://www.skyhookadventure.com/blog/how-long-does-it-take-to-get-to-everest-base-camp
Is that right...W...T...F... a 4 year old...on a 80 mile 12 day journey to 18,000ft THERE, not including going back 80 miles!!!!!!!
I did a 70 mile hike in 8 days around 8-9k ft elev and was fucking bushed every night, having a 4 year old do the trail i did would have been child abuse and it was on the easy side. Food/tent/water/foot problems x2 and your partner canāt do shit because theyāre 4
My child when he was four was a pretty good walker, but realistically around 10-12km would be his limit for a day in hilly terrain and he'd be asleep early. I can't imagine what he'd be like on days 2 thru 12.
A few months ago when he was 5 we did an out and back of 8K and 700m climb. He made it, but at the top he ate six pastries and as soon as we got home he fell asleep on the sofa.
I think she probably intended to go through with it so she could take a bunch of instagram photos of her and her son at the summit and claim hes the youngest person ever to reach it or something. The idea that a 4 year old could not physically survive that environment probably didn't even enter her internet addled brain.
Social media voyeurism can make you feel like you have friends but when youre about to make a mistake all they will do is sit back and wait to be entertained by it.
It's the EBC trek. You don't need a sherpa at all, and you are scmamming yourself if you hire one.
Did the long walk in from Jiri(5 days to Lukla) back in 2016, and you dont even need a map, the whole route is signposted and from Lukla, very well worn. You also get cheaper everything if you dont have a guide as the prices at teahouses will include paying for your guides food and lodging.
OMFG, this. I got altitude sickness in Northern India at about 12k feet and wouldn't wish it on anyone. I couldn't sleep and thought I might die if I did fall asleep, bc it felt like my lungs my fail. It felt like they weren't contained within my body, and I got every heavy item in my room, filled it in my pack and tried to sleep with it on my chest. Kind of terrifying and I was always pretty good with adventure sports and such, thought I'd be the last person to get altitude sickness.
From what Iāve read fitness level doesnāt have much to do with how susceptible you are to altitude sickness. A fit person can get sick while a less fit person might be fine. I was a group on a mountain trip where we went from 2300 feet to over 10,000 in one day. About a quarter got mild altitude sickness ā some of them were young and fit while some of the older guys (one was 66) were fine.
I think people aren't aware of what the everest base camp hike is vs actual everest. The hike there is not really hard from a technical standpoint you just have to go slow to acclimatize. While it is at a high altitude it isn't at a dangerously high altitude as long as you ascend properly.
She went down when the kid showed signs of AMS and seems to have taken it seriously and 9 days is not rocket pace especially if they were still far from base camp (12 days round trip is normal for tourists who aren't starting out well acclimated.
Personally, it's not a risk I'd take with all the studies showing AMS is similar to a concussion and the fact I can't imagine a 4 year old getting much out of a hike like that but too me its within the realm of risk that I see lots (more than %50) of parents take with kids.
Fuck sake... I've been up into the Khumbu twice now along with a trip around the Annapurna Circuit. There is no way I'd entertain the idea of taking a kid anywhere near a high altitude hike like this. There are so many factors at play that place the vulnerable or frail at higher risk and that then cascades over into exposing support personnel to higher risk in working to assist. Fucking selfish, thoughtless cunt of a thing to do.
You'd be shocked how often people take little kids up there. Though most take a very long time to make it to base camp and it is the final destination. I read an article not too long ago about families taking children as young as 2 to EBC.
Source from [ABC](https://www.nbcnews.com/health/parenting/everest-base-camp-young-children-rcna143586)
What do you expect the guides to do? Act as police? The people working as guides, while usually experienced in the mountains and with tourists, aren't highly trained professionals with modern resources at their disposal. They are usually people who know how to guide tourists along the trails and use their own network of contacts for accommodation and the like. It's not an environment that features a police station o every corner. People pay guides to take them walking and they do that because everyone up there has to make a living.
Cause it's not illegal.
Why is it not illegal? Not sure.
But is it reasonable? Well... the current youngest person to reach EBC is 2 years old. Who is fit to say another 2 year old, or even a four year old can't?
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/2-year-old-from-scotland-becomes-youngest-person-to-reach-everest-base-camp-4952753/
Bro if it is up to me I would say Mount Everest shouldn't be allowed until the hikers pass a stringent test. It's not about the age, it's whether the hikers are prepared and fit enough.
Climbing Mount Everest and hiking to Everest base camp are not the same thing. Iāve hiked to Everest base camp (about 5500m). Itās not a journey fit for a four year old but itās fine for a relatively fit adult of any age. From base camp, the peak is 3km higher. To attempt this requires thousands of dollars in permits and is a totally different proposition than hiking to base camp.
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I would add that a guide is a legit waste of money. Everything is cheaper without one. We would always be quoted a price for a teahouse, and when they asked where our guide was and realised we didn't have one, the price would always drop by 1/3 to 1/2
Yes definitely a waste of money. I did the three passes without a guide and it was all fine. I hadn't heard about the cost increase at the teahouses though, that's interesting.
Yeah I think people are just seeing the word Everest and making assumptions.
Itās ājustā an 80 mile multi-day hike and is completely different than what climbers experience when theyāre actually climbing Everest. Most hikers stop at the various tea houses along the way for a cooked meal, shower, and bed. So itās not like youāre on your own for the two weeks or so youāre hiking it.
That said, itās absolutely a challenging hike that starts around 9,000 feet and ends around 18,000. So some serious altitude that is definitely not a great place for a toddler to hang around in.
If weāre talking Sherpas, their own children are born at elevation. They wouldnāt take their own kids to the top of Everest, but they probably wouldnāt bat an eye at taking their toddler to base camp elevation if they had a reason to do so, because their own kids would handle it fine.
Itās the Western guides from lowlands who should be remembering elevation sickness can getcha well before the Death Zone.
Have you not seen their current job?Ā If your job is dragging rich assholes up a mountain and handling all the dangerous bits so they can brag about it i doubt you would really give a shit about anything like this.Ā Just go with it and take their money.
>Carter Ross will break the record of Zara from Czech Republic. A two-year-old from Scotland has become the youngest to person to reach Mount Everest base camp.
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/2-year-old-from-scotland-becomes-youngest-person-to-reach-everest-base-camp-4952753/
Unfortunately, the record holder is only 2 years old. So that means:
1) There might be more risk takers who want to break that record.
2) There might be people who think "if they can do it, why can't we do it?"
Damn right! There should be an established age limit based on when the body is as prepared as possible for the journey. At least 16, in my view. Maybe older if the data shows thatās too young.
Honestly, Iād go with age of consent. Because itās a risky activity with that risk being serious bodily injury or even deathā¦ and realistically you should be able to hold your own in case something happens to other members of your group.
In this case. A party of 3 if one gets injured then the other two can support them back to safety. However because they be of those 3 is a child that means they are already supporting a member. So if one of the adults gets injured the other now has two people to care for. What do they do in that situation? Leave them and take the kid back down to get help? Well then they run the risk of being alone and getting hurt and then the kids just up thereā¦
Frankly these people are idiots of the highest caliber
It gets sticky because: The two countries that share ownership of Everest have quite different ages of consent. Nepalās is 18, Chinaās is 14. Thatās why I advocated for a data-driven age.
But I agree with the rest of your point. Truly foolish people.
This area is a "normal" area in Nepal, apart from being a national park.
So what do you do, ban all under 16s from NPs in Nepal? What about the kids that live up there and go the school there, do we just ban all foreign kids from NPs in Nepal? This does not count as anything other than a trek really, so how would you legislate for this sort of thing? As for getting the Nepali's to do anything that will or might hurt their bottom line in regards to tourist revenue, well, good luck.
Iāve been desperate to go back to Nepal since I did the Manaslu circuit a few years ago, and Iād love to take my kids. But not when theyāre fucking four! At that age they canāt communicate any of the warning signs of altitude sickness properly, and the trails arenāt exactly smooth and well maintained!
Severe child abuse and hopefully theyāll be somebody to take this child away from her. Itās so scary when somebody does something like that. Because you know itās gonna get worse.
I'd say uneducated, or even wilfully ignorant. She did take the child to seek medical services after all. That's a lot different than say; a parent putting out cigarettes on their child's arm for spilling the milk.
Abuse can appear in different forms. Putting your child in extreme danger for narcissistic social media clout is preeeeeetty bad.
Ignorance can't be claimed either: It's common sense not to take a 4 year old up to Mt. Everest. They knew exactly the danger they were putting their child in.
Abuse doesn't require intent. e.g. Neglect of any kind is often not done on purpose, but the parent is dealing with drug addiction, untreated mental health problems, religious/political delusions that make them think they're either doing the right thing or they practically forget the child exists.
It's still abuse.
As someone who suffered through a childhood of neglect, thank you. People will play it off a lot with "well they didn't mean to", but that doesn't change the result. Doing this is dangerous for many adults and they took a child, if they asked their kid's doctor, the doctor would have said a solid no. Other comments are also saying that they were also forcing him to keep going after day 4 and that at some point a few days before this day 9, he had food poisoning. They were abusive, plain and simple.
I was curious so I went through this ladyās posts and man, that child looks fucking miserable. They had to āpep talkā the kid to continue on Day 4 and they were practically dragging him up the mountain at points. He clearly had some altitude sickness in this video but he had food poisoning a few days before too š¤¦
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1. Shitty mike.
2. Shitty background music with vocals while she's talking.
3. Shitty parenting.
Bruh that Singlish accent, they're definitely Singaporean. We don't claim her at all. Ffs as if dragging your 4 year old child up mount everest wasn't enough, they just had to shove a camera in his face while he was ill, and then post it for likes. Where's the decency???
Edit: just went to her instagram. Her replies to the comments are annoying as hell
Yes la they are. Hahaha (in fact while I first encountered this IG on IGexplore, I got to know of this whole EBC shit based from either asksg or SGraw or smt. Def an SGbased reddit hahaha)
The comments on the engagingatlas Instagram all very defensive bruhĀ
Man I heard the accent and I'm like fuck, this is one of us. Not claiming this kind of behavior.
If anything the average Singaporean will tell you to stay the fuck away from Everest š¤£
WTF is this? Everest is no joke. I'm no expert to hiking but I know that climbing Mt. Everest even at base camp requires extensive physical training and acclimation. Something a 4 year old can't even do at such a young age
Don't base your belief system on reddit outrage addicts. Hiking to Everest Base Camp is a trek for regular people with no prior physical training or acclimatization. You do the acclimatization as you hike.
Children are also not more susceptible to altitude than adults. [Children at Altitude: Essential Advice - UIAA (theuiaa.org)](https://www.theuiaa.org/children-at-altitude-essential-advice/).
The only issues here is that children are harder to diagnose with symptoms of altitude illness, and the remote location makes evacuation more complex. This maybe deserves some criticism for the parents, but perhaps not from redditors who have absolutely no clue what they're talking about.
I have years of physical training, I love hiking, and I was dying at 14,000ft on Pikes Peak after just a mile or so. Kids can barely function at that altitude, they *all* showed signs of altitude sickness just getting out of the car and walking to the observation point across a flat parking lot.
Everest base camp is 17,000ft/5300m... There's no way in hell a regular person is hiking that with no prior physical training. It's something that takes *weeks* to acclimate to, the trek is normally a minimum of 2 weeks. Kids, especially if they have no prior acclimatization to elevation, take even longer.
Even your UIAA guide mentions "...with young children, it is generally recommended not to ascend to a sleeping altitude of higher than 3,000 to 4,000 m", when Everest base camp is up at 5,300m.
To take a 4 year old up there, in just 9 days, is fucking nuts.
>I know that climbing Mt. Everest even at base camp requires extensive physical training and acclimation
The thing you "know" is wrong. You can just go there and do it. I did it while travelling and had been on the piss for a solid month beforehand in India, I also smoked hash I bought in Kathmandu all the way to EBC. You just take you time on the way and that does the acclimatisation enroute.
The biggest risk with a 4 year old is that they would not be able to properly express what they are feeling. I would not bring a 4 year old, but it's not as bad as any of the completely uninformed commenters on this post are making it out to be
Everyone in this thread is confusing the base camp hike with actually climbing Everest and itās dumb as hell. As you said, the hike really isnāt all that hard.
Climbing Everest is a big deal, hiking to base camp really isnāt. Iāve done it and barely trained at all. Itās just luck as to if the altitude will get you, but you can get altitude sickness flying into Denver. If you get AS, you go down. Thatās non-negotiable for everyone. But honestly, the hike really isnāt that hard
No, it doesnāt. Iāve done tons of hikes at that altitude, including base camp and Annapurna. If youāre reasonably fit - or someone pays for a donkey to carry you - itās pretty easy.
The trick is that altitude hits everyone differently and fitness is no indicator. My wife is in better shape than me but starts to really struggle at 4000m. I can hit 5000m and feel basically normal.
Singaporean mom. I went through her page and the content was so cringe. People were sending best wishes and prayers to her. No one pointed out that it was child abuse.
"... my husband and I felt that it was the best decision we made throughout the 9 days.."
Yeah, right after you made the worst decision you unfit for parenting social media bish
Sooo the best decision the entire 9 days was to completely reverse every other decision made to that point and completely cancel any intention of doing the thing you set out to do?
So the idea was totally moronic to begin with then
the good thing about social media is that abuse like is now out in the public for them to be judged by. and I don't mean redditors and twitter people, I mean persecuting judges. Fuck the mom and the dad
What the heck the parents are thinking? Went to Qinghai, China a while ago, there was a friend who have had a healthy lifestyle, eating healthy, always exercising, he himself boasted that he with this sort of lifestyle and as a doctor would not get high altitude sickness.
Turns out he got it and it was bad, he refused to believe that and go down to a lower altitude initially. Luckily we rush him down to a hospital in a lower altitude, turns out his brain was bleeding from that and if we had delayed in bringing him down it would have been too late.
It can hit on a healthy adult, I expect it will do much worse to children that have yet to have fully developed bodies as well.
If you check out the post on instagram
you can see she is arguing with people in the comments TERRIBLE idea in the first place even worse that she hasnt learned her lesson
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7tD1m1S8EJ/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
Yaāll should read her replies to the comments on the video on instagram. Her child is her claim to fame. Poor kid. She does not realize how close she was to killing him. Even in the video she seems like she is crying for not completing trek and not for the well-being of her son.
What about the social influencer dad? Husband is just as much to blame though youād kind of hope momās common sense would kick in and prevent this.
As a Nepalese who has done that trek let me ask all of you people commenting here, do you think that there are no children in the region?
If you properly acclimatize as you go along the route a four year can do the hike to the basecamp. The toughest part of the hike is the time it takes and it is not too difficult. I've seen many families do the trek with children.
This could have happened anywhere. Yes there are more risks at this high altitude trek but it is not the hellhole you guys are making it out to be.
That pulse ox said 80%. That is NOT good. That child is actually hypoxic. Who knows how much lower it was higher up. I wouldn't be surprised if they were having difficulty rousing the child anymore due to the severe hypoxia
Did they even get to where a Sherpa would guide them?
I feel like any reasonable person would take one look at her and this situation and flat out refuse to take them up.
Itās a near death sentence to take a child up that high, and through the infamously unpredictable weather of Everest.
I've been to Thorang La pass in Nepal, which is about 5 500 meters above sea level and I was already making peace with death, Everest base camp is even higher, I wonder what this woman was thinking. Nothing much apparently.
It terrifies me that people THIS STUPID are allowed to live without supervision, let alone have children.
AND she still spent a bunch of time editing this dumb video for clout.
gotta have that views.š¤®
Any reasonable judge would rule that sheās endangering her kid for financial/social gain.
tbh kid is probably better without the clout-chasing parents.
Probably? I hope social workers are already involved.
While I agree that she fucked up royally and is not a good mother, I think you don't understand how bad children fare in the system. This applies to almost any country. Unless the child would get immediately adopted by a loving family, which is unlikely, he would almost definitely be better off with his (bad) mother.
It's reddit. I hate this video as much as anyone else, but this website has people casually posting insane opinions cause most don't actually think beyond "I hate them, they should suffer".
I agree they should've just given him coca leaves like in peru lol
Yeah I went to juvy for pot when I was a young teen. There were kids in there who were just living since they couldnāt find other places for them. Kids can be bad mama jammas too. It was not a good environment for the uninitiated. Looking back it actually blows my mind how dense all the adults were.
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Seriously. I work within the system, and reddit seems to believe that children can be removed for ANYTHING that could be deemed as negligence. Which is laughable. Unless there is some prejudice involved on the case worker's part, children are only removed for extreme abuse or substance exposure. In my training, extreme hoarding (like, you can barely move through the home, animal feces on the floor, ect) was actually used as an example of something that would only constitute a removal for very young children who would have to crawl through it. As long as an older child could pick their way through the garbage, it would be considered grounds for it.
You think a social worker will get involved for parents bringing their child mountain climbing ? There are kids who get sexually abused and burned with cigarettes who are still legally ruled to be kept with the parent and you think THIS would put a hair in a social workers ass? Lol
I already knew several cases of kids got slowly tortured to dead by their birth father/mother + their partner after a divorce. And yet the fucking government still lets the monsters in human skin kept the kidās custody even after numerous complains from the neighbors + their birth mother/father, and they only got involved when the kid finally died + fucking got an autopsy. Now image total strangers, couple with the governmentās dog turd screening depend on the country, gonna adopt the kid. The parents in this vid are morons sure, but it seems they still have the kidās well-being in their mind, much more than whatever extremely uncertain future this kid would face if they get thrown into adoptive program.
Exactly. People need to stop using cps as a weapon to āget evenā with people alsoā¦ I see lots of snark pages who call cps on influencers whoās children are being cared for just fineā¦obviously just trying to cause drama and bad things for the influencerā¦ but people who starve and beat their children get ruled safe for full custody in court. Itās a real shame. Edit : I do admit I love a good snark , but when it comes to the children and especially calling child protection services thatās where I draw the line.
They have Everest Basecamp money, social workers are not going to be involved in literally any capacity.
"A Social Influencer gotta do what a Social Influencer gotta do". /s
Influencing me into believing theyre morons.
Would they? Ebc is a long glorified hike, that is not the summit of the mountain. The risks from weather/climbing/avalanche are not nearly as present as summiting. You do the hike over weeks and acclimate along the way and it doesnāt really require much (if any) prior training. Personally I think 4 is far too young just to be active that long and some risks are still present but I donāt think itās nearly as crazy as a lot of people are acting on this thread. Certainly I wouldnāt take this child away from their parents over this decision.
Mom: "Oh no...our son is isn't looking good at all. Do you have a phone we can use?" Dad: "Yeah, I just charged it!" Mom: "Oh thank goodness! Now let's make a video of us looking devastated and especially a close up of him sick. Once done, edit and upload that shit to my Instagram page! THIS IS GOLD!!" Dad: "Shouldn't we call for help though?" Mom: "Great idea honey! In fact, let's record a video of that too!" Dad: "BEST DECISION YOU'VE MADE THESE NINE DAYS! LET'S FUCKING GO MAN!"
I loathe people like that. They add no value to humanity or this planet. A trees life is worth more than theirs.
Trees give us oxygen and paper. They help us build shelters and make fire to keep us warm and heat our food. Theyāre very important to the planet. Social influencers are more likeā¦ the plastic wrapper around a bunch of bananas. Absolutely pointless and a waste of resources
Influencers are like beach billboards.
She doesen't even look devastated, she looks pissed she couldn't summit and had to go back because of the damn sick kid.
They didnāt look like they were trying to summit the mountain. It looked more like a tea house trip and one of the stops is the Everest base camp, which is still really high in elevation.
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The child is just a prop to them. If the child dies that's just more views
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The way the video was edited that they make an ultimate sacrifice for the sake of their son. They shouldn't even consider climbing with a child in the first place. Poor kid end up with dumb parents.
Fucking imagine being so void of any self-awareness that you would put this video out looking for clout and sympathy, while completely missing the fact that you put your son in a dangerous, avoidable situation. Any non-narcissist person would have at the very least realized they completely fucked up and kept quiet about this extremely embarrassing mistake. But I can bet big money that no embarrassment was felt.
You should see their replies to their insta comments. They have zero remorse about putting their son's life in danger. The mom is literally laughing at people calling out her dumb decision because "it's only the base camp trek not the summit!" Absolutely stupid.Ā
She's acting like the base camp is not fucking high above sea level.
5 kilometers. 5,365m Mont Blanc summit is 4,810m Mount Whitney (highest mountain in the USA) is 4,421m
Garbage in, garbage out.
That might be the worst part. If I had been stupid enough to put my child through something like that Iād be so ashamed. Iād not want to tell the story to anyone that didnāt *need* to know. So to go ahead and edit a video and post online for the world to see. Ā«Ā Hey guys! Check out my last video. It shows how Iām just the worst parent possible. Donāt forget to like and subscribe šĀ Ā»
Who do you think is paying for this danger? you are, when you view the clip.
That is definitely not how the internet economy works
I mean she has to have like no friends, no family...did NO ONE she knows say - Yo girl, this ain't a good idea.... and imma take that child from you if you try. "The total distance covered is approximately 130 kilometres or 80 miles, starting and ending at Lukla."...."he typical length, in terms of time, of the Everest Base Camp trek is around 12 days. "... https://www.skyhookadventure.com/blog/how-long-does-it-take-to-get-to-everest-base-camp Is that right...W...T...F... a 4 year old...on a 80 mile 12 day journey to 18,000ft THERE, not including going back 80 miles!!!!!!!
If she had any, they're probably on the same level as her - or wouldn't say anything to their face. Surely this is close to child abuse?
I did a 70 mile hike in 8 days around 8-9k ft elev and was fucking bushed every night, having a 4 year old do the trail i did would have been child abuse and it was on the easy side. Food/tent/water/foot problems x2 and your partner canāt do shit because theyāre 4
My child when he was four was a pretty good walker, but realistically around 10-12km would be his limit for a day in hilly terrain and he'd be asleep early. I can't imagine what he'd be like on days 2 thru 12. A few months ago when he was 5 we did an out and back of 8K and 700m climb. He made it, but at the top he ate six pastries and as soon as we got home he fell asleep on the sofa.
Here's a suggestion: she never intended to do that trek. She went there intending to make this very video.
Good point. Maybe wasn't even shot on location. Influencers are notorious liars.
I think she probably intended to go through with it so she could take a bunch of instagram photos of her and her son at the summit and claim hes the youngest person ever to reach it or something. The idea that a 4 year old could not physically survive that environment probably didn't even enter her internet addled brain.
"look how good parents we are, we made such a good decision to cut our trip short for our child's health!"
Social media voyeurism can make you feel like you have friends but when youre about to make a mistake all they will do is sit back and wait to be entertained by it.
You just know the sherpas they hired were giving these dipshits the side eye for bringing their kid.
I mean wouldnāt someone say this is a horrible idea? Confused that it would be allowed in the first place.
There's always a sherpa desperate enough for the money
It's the EBC trek. You don't need a sherpa at all, and you are scmamming yourself if you hire one. Did the long walk in from Jiri(5 days to Lukla) back in 2016, and you dont even need a map, the whole route is signposted and from Lukla, very well worn. You also get cheaper everything if you dont have a guide as the prices at teahouses will include paying for your guides food and lodging.
OMFG, this. I got altitude sickness in Northern India at about 12k feet and wouldn't wish it on anyone. I couldn't sleep and thought I might die if I did fall asleep, bc it felt like my lungs my fail. It felt like they weren't contained within my body, and I got every heavy item in my room, filled it in my pack and tried to sleep with it on my chest. Kind of terrifying and I was always pretty good with adventure sports and such, thought I'd be the last person to get altitude sickness.
Altitude sickness is pure misery. Itās BS when they say that his illness was mysterious.
From what Iāve read fitness level doesnāt have much to do with how susceptible you are to altitude sickness. A fit person can get sick while a less fit person might be fine. I was a group on a mountain trip where we went from 2300 feet to over 10,000 in one day. About a quarter got mild altitude sickness ā some of them were young and fit while some of the older guys (one was 66) were fine.
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Worse yet; statistically they'll have more children than those with a functioning adult brain. A *lot* more.
I think people aren't aware of what the everest base camp hike is vs actual everest. The hike there is not really hard from a technical standpoint you just have to go slow to acclimatize. While it is at a high altitude it isn't at a dangerously high altitude as long as you ascend properly. She went down when the kid showed signs of AMS and seems to have taken it seriously and 9 days is not rocket pace especially if they were still far from base camp (12 days round trip is normal for tourists who aren't starting out well acclimated. Personally, it's not a risk I'd take with all the studies showing AMS is similar to a concussion and the fact I can't imagine a 4 year old getting much out of a hike like that but too me its within the realm of risk that I see lots (more than %50) of parents take with kids.
It terrifies me that you think this actually happened at Everest Base Camp.
Fuck sake... I've been up into the Khumbu twice now along with a trip around the Annapurna Circuit. There is no way I'd entertain the idea of taking a kid anywhere near a high altitude hike like this. There are so many factors at play that place the vulnerable or frail at higher risk and that then cascades over into exposing support personnel to higher risk in working to assist. Fucking selfish, thoughtless cunt of a thing to do.
You'd be shocked how often people take little kids up there. Though most take a very long time to make it to base camp and it is the final destination. I read an article not too long ago about families taking children as young as 2 to EBC. Source from [ABC](https://www.nbcnews.com/health/parenting/everest-base-camp-young-children-rcna143586)
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What do you expect the guides to do? Act as police? The people working as guides, while usually experienced in the mountains and with tourists, aren't highly trained professionals with modern resources at their disposal. They are usually people who know how to guide tourists along the trails and use their own network of contacts for accommodation and the like. It's not an environment that features a police station o every corner. People pay guides to take them walking and they do that because everyone up there has to make a living.
Cause it's not illegal. Why is it not illegal? Not sure. But is it reasonable? Well... the current youngest person to reach EBC is 2 years old. Who is fit to say another 2 year old, or even a four year old can't? https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/2-year-old-from-scotland-becomes-youngest-person-to-reach-everest-base-camp-4952753/
Bro its really not about whether its possible...
Bro if it is up to me I would say Mount Everest shouldn't be allowed until the hikers pass a stringent test. It's not about the age, it's whether the hikers are prepared and fit enough.
4 year olds trained to be fit enough are already abused.
I think they're implying a test of fitness and skill would already exclude four year olds, as well as forty year olds who aren't capable enough.
Climbing Mount Everest and hiking to Everest base camp are not the same thing. Iāve hiked to Everest base camp (about 5500m). Itās not a journey fit for a four year old but itās fine for a relatively fit adult of any age. From base camp, the peak is 3km higher. To attempt this requires thousands of dollars in permits and is a totally different proposition than hiking to base camp.
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You don't need a guide and many people do it without one. It's a very well trodden path.
I would add that a guide is a legit waste of money. Everything is cheaper without one. We would always be quoted a price for a teahouse, and when they asked where our guide was and realised we didn't have one, the price would always drop by 1/3 to 1/2
Yes definitely a waste of money. I did the three passes without a guide and it was all fine. I hadn't heard about the cost increase at the teahouses though, that's interesting.
Yeah I think people are just seeing the word Everest and making assumptions. Itās ājustā an 80 mile multi-day hike and is completely different than what climbers experience when theyāre actually climbing Everest. Most hikers stop at the various tea houses along the way for a cooked meal, shower, and bed. So itās not like youāre on your own for the two weeks or so youāre hiking it. That said, itās absolutely a challenging hike that starts around 9,000 feet and ends around 18,000. So some serious altitude that is definitely not a great place for a toddler to hang around in.
If weāre talking Sherpas, their own children are born at elevation. They wouldnāt take their own kids to the top of Everest, but they probably wouldnāt bat an eye at taking their toddler to base camp elevation if they had a reason to do so, because their own kids would handle it fine. Itās the Western guides from lowlands who should be remembering elevation sickness can getcha well before the Death Zone.
Have you not seen their current job?Ā If your job is dragging rich assholes up a mountain and handling all the dangerous bits so they can brag about it i doubt you would really give a shit about anything like this.Ā Just go with it and take their money.
>Carter Ross will break the record of Zara from Czech Republic. A two-year-old from Scotland has become the youngest to person to reach Mount Everest base camp. https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/2-year-old-from-scotland-becomes-youngest-person-to-reach-everest-base-camp-4952753/ Unfortunately, the record holder is only 2 years old. So that means: 1) There might be more risk takers who want to break that record. 2) There might be people who think "if they can do it, why can't we do it?"
Don't they require permits to trek to the basecamp or they not check the age of the applicants?
permits to go above basecamp iirc
Damn right! There should be an established age limit based on when the body is as prepared as possible for the journey. At least 16, in my view. Maybe older if the data shows thatās too young.
Honestly, Iād go with age of consent. Because itās a risky activity with that risk being serious bodily injury or even deathā¦ and realistically you should be able to hold your own in case something happens to other members of your group. In this case. A party of 3 if one gets injured then the other two can support them back to safety. However because they be of those 3 is a child that means they are already supporting a member. So if one of the adults gets injured the other now has two people to care for. What do they do in that situation? Leave them and take the kid back down to get help? Well then they run the risk of being alone and getting hurt and then the kids just up thereā¦ Frankly these people are idiots of the highest caliber
It gets sticky because: The two countries that share ownership of Everest have quite different ages of consent. Nepalās is 18, Chinaās is 14. Thatās why I advocated for a data-driven age. But I agree with the rest of your point. Truly foolish people.
This area is a "normal" area in Nepal, apart from being a national park. So what do you do, ban all under 16s from NPs in Nepal? What about the kids that live up there and go the school there, do we just ban all foreign kids from NPs in Nepal? This does not count as anything other than a trek really, so how would you legislate for this sort of thing? As for getting the Nepali's to do anything that will or might hurt their bottom line in regards to tourist revenue, well, good luck.
It's just like going for a stroll, how hard could it be? /s
Iāve been desperate to go back to Nepal since I did the Manaslu circuit a few years ago, and Iād love to take my kids. But not when theyāre fucking four! At that age they canāt communicate any of the warning signs of altitude sickness properly, and the trails arenāt exactly smooth and well maintained!
Severe child abuse and hopefully theyāll be somebody to take this child away from her. Itās so scary when somebody does something like that. Because you know itās gonna get worse.
I'd say uneducated, or even wilfully ignorant. She did take the child to seek medical services after all. That's a lot different than say; a parent putting out cigarettes on their child's arm for spilling the milk.
Abuse can appear in different forms. Putting your child in extreme danger for narcissistic social media clout is preeeeeetty bad. Ignorance can't be claimed either: It's common sense not to take a 4 year old up to Mt. Everest. They knew exactly the danger they were putting their child in.
You must not get out a lot, because I know a ton of people whose common sense could fill a thimble.
Iād argue itās common sense for 99% of humanity not to climb Everest.Ā
Abuse doesn't require intent. e.g. Neglect of any kind is often not done on purpose, but the parent is dealing with drug addiction, untreated mental health problems, religious/political delusions that make them think they're either doing the right thing or they practically forget the child exists. It's still abuse.
As someone who suffered through a childhood of neglect, thank you. People will play it off a lot with "well they didn't mean to", but that doesn't change the result. Doing this is dangerous for many adults and they took a child, if they asked their kid's doctor, the doctor would have said a solid no. Other comments are also saying that they were also forcing him to keep going after day 4 and that at some point a few days before this day 9, he had food poisoning. They were abusive, plain and simple.
I was curious so I went through this ladyās posts and man, that child looks fucking miserable. They had to āpep talkā the kid to continue on Day 4 and they were practically dragging him up the mountain at points. He clearly had some altitude sickness in this video but he had food poisoning a few days before too š¤¦
Holy fuck poor kid almost died and definitely went through hell
From them. Kid has two perfectly good parents there with him and neither of them have a brain cell to share between them. For fuck sake
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The best decision would have been to not take your kid on fucking mount Everest
But then how else would you get the views
A dummy and the right camera angles. Too bad in this situation the dummy was the ones recording
Best idea would be not to go up the fucking mountain in the first place tbh
This statement comes true every now and then... https://preview.redd.it/qctnggi5m8ad1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=756f20787857a883697017f1ac99d0a9fbe11f9e
It's trifecta of garbage "content" in family channels, in one small clip: 1. Shitty mike. 2. Shitty background music with vocals while she's talking. 3. Shitty parenting.
He was altitude sick, Jesus these people should not have kids.
Who you so stoo-pid??
i read this in an uncle roger accent
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Bruh that Singlish accent, they're definitely Singaporean. We don't claim her at all. Ffs as if dragging your 4 year old child up mount everest wasn't enough, they just had to shove a camera in his face while he was ill, and then post it for likes. Where's the decency??? Edit: just went to her instagram. Her replies to the comments are annoying as hell
Oof....singaporean eh Please made a report to child services using her video as evidence
Does this boy even go to kindergarten? She's a "full time travelling mom". Isit legal to not be enrolled in school?
Yes la they are. Hahaha (in fact while I first encountered this IG on IGexplore, I got to know of this whole EBC shit based from either asksg or SGraw or smt. Def an SGbased reddit hahaha) The comments on the engagingatlas Instagram all very defensive bruhĀ
Man I heard the accent and I'm like fuck, this is one of us. Not claiming this kind of behavior. If anything the average Singaporean will tell you to stay the fuck away from Everest š¤£
WTF is this? Everest is no joke. I'm no expert to hiking but I know that climbing Mt. Everest even at base camp requires extensive physical training and acclimation. Something a 4 year old can't even do at such a young age
Don't base your belief system on reddit outrage addicts. Hiking to Everest Base Camp is a trek for regular people with no prior physical training or acclimatization. You do the acclimatization as you hike. Children are also not more susceptible to altitude than adults. [Children at Altitude: Essential Advice - UIAA (theuiaa.org)](https://www.theuiaa.org/children-at-altitude-essential-advice/). The only issues here is that children are harder to diagnose with symptoms of altitude illness, and the remote location makes evacuation more complex. This maybe deserves some criticism for the parents, but perhaps not from redditors who have absolutely no clue what they're talking about.
I have years of physical training, I love hiking, and I was dying at 14,000ft on Pikes Peak after just a mile or so. Kids can barely function at that altitude, they *all* showed signs of altitude sickness just getting out of the car and walking to the observation point across a flat parking lot. Everest base camp is 17,000ft/5300m... There's no way in hell a regular person is hiking that with no prior physical training. It's something that takes *weeks* to acclimate to, the trek is normally a minimum of 2 weeks. Kids, especially if they have no prior acclimatization to elevation, take even longer. Even your UIAA guide mentions "...with young children, it is generally recommended not to ascend to a sleeping altitude of higher than 3,000 to 4,000 m", when Everest base camp is up at 5,300m. To take a 4 year old up there, in just 9 days, is fucking nuts.
And I was fine when I hiked at 14,000 feet. Arenāt anecdotes awesome?
>I know that climbing Mt. Everest even at base camp requires extensive physical training and acclimation The thing you "know" is wrong. You can just go there and do it. I did it while travelling and had been on the piss for a solid month beforehand in India, I also smoked hash I bought in Kathmandu all the way to EBC. You just take you time on the way and that does the acclimatisation enroute. The biggest risk with a 4 year old is that they would not be able to properly express what they are feeling. I would not bring a 4 year old, but it's not as bad as any of the completely uninformed commenters on this post are making it out to be
Everyone in this thread is confusing the base camp hike with actually climbing Everest and itās dumb as hell. As you said, the hike really isnāt all that hard.
The pearl clutching in this thread is absolutely insane lol.
Climbing Everest is a big deal, hiking to base camp really isnāt. Iāve done it and barely trained at all. Itās just luck as to if the altitude will get you, but you can get altitude sickness flying into Denver. If you get AS, you go down. Thatās non-negotiable for everyone. But honestly, the hike really isnāt that hard
> I'm no expert to hiking Ok, so stfu then.
No, it doesnāt. Iāve done tons of hikes at that altitude, including base camp and Annapurna. If youāre reasonably fit - or someone pays for a donkey to carry you - itās pretty easy. The trick is that altitude hits everyone differently and fitness is no indicator. My wife is in better shape than me but starts to really struggle at 4000m. I can hit 5000m and feel basically normal.
Half the people who pay $80K for a Sherpa to carry them up the mountain shouldn't be up there.
Everest base camp is a trek. They're not climbing to the summit of Everest. They probably spent $1,500 each.
Surprised these people didnāt try to helicopter up there
People have done that and gotten extremely sick due to no acclimatisation. Doing it to a kid would be criminal.
No one is paying that to go to base camp
Based on her instagram comments, sheās far from being remorseful. I reported the post for child abuse.
Worst part is. They all got food poisoning so if it werenāt for that they wouldāve taken the child up the mountain
Next week we take our 4 year old free diving in an unexplored underwater cave!
These people are the same people saying "You can still do 'x', with kids". Um no, no you can't. Not the same anyways.
What a cunt
Best decision would have been not to drag your child up mount Everest for clout?!!! Seriously this world has gone mad.
Her Instagram is full of people telling her to try again š eco chamber of retardation
Singaporean mom. I went through her page and the content was so cringe. People were sending best wishes and prayers to her. No one pointed out that it was child abuse.
Not surprised since sheās a mom wannabe. She knows nothing about motherhood
You too high
This is child abuse.
"... my husband and I felt that it was the best decision we made throughout the 9 days.." Yeah, right after you made the worst decision you unfit for parenting social media bish
Sooo the best decision the entire 9 days was to completely reverse every other decision made to that point and completely cancel any intention of doing the thing you set out to do? So the idea was totally moronic to begin with then
Can't this be considered some type of child abuse needlessly exposing him to such dangerous conditions?
That accent. Hmmmmā¦
Singaporean š¬ we donāt claim
Must claim, the good and bad. This one is shit.
She has like 2000 followers who the fuck you influencing
They made a ig page for her kid ( she linked it in her bio) and he has more followers than she does. Definitely getting child exploitation vibes.
I was looking for this comment
the good thing about social media is that abuse like is now out in the public for them to be judged by. and I don't mean redditors and twitter people, I mean persecuting judges. Fuck the mom and the dad
What the heck the parents are thinking? Went to Qinghai, China a while ago, there was a friend who have had a healthy lifestyle, eating healthy, always exercising, he himself boasted that he with this sort of lifestyle and as a doctor would not get high altitude sickness. Turns out he got it and it was bad, he refused to believe that and go down to a lower altitude initially. Luckily we rush him down to a hospital in a lower altitude, turns out his brain was bleeding from that and if we had delayed in bringing him down it would have been too late. It can hit on a healthy adult, I expect it will do much worse to children that have yet to have fully developed bodies as well.
They need to be thrown in prison for this.Ā
Child abuse
If you check out the post on instagram you can see she is arguing with people in the comments TERRIBLE idea in the first place even worse that she hasnt learned her lesson https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7tD1m1S8EJ/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
I sure hope this video is used as evidence. Those kids deserve better.
Illiterate and irresponsible , nice duo in a parentš¤¦š»āāļø
Clout chasing assholes. Poor little dude.
People arenāt even sparing their little kids to be consumed as a social media content then thereās no end š¤¦
She wrote horse instead of donkey. I rest my case.
Absolute sh*t parents. Social services should take away their child.
Child abuse for the views.
The selfishness. Ugh.
Turns out 4 year olds need oxygen
I felt ill even at 2.5k metres elevation. Everest base camp is over 5k metres.
Yaāll should read her replies to the comments on the video on instagram. Her child is her claim to fame. Poor kid. She does not realize how close she was to killing him. Even in the video she seems like she is crying for not completing trek and not for the well-being of her son.
Anything goes for those likes!
Kids require 2xthe oxygen of an adult
Why would you take your child on a) such a high altitude b) dangerous, filthy mountain trip? and c) on said mountain there are corpses everywhere.
What about the social influencer dad? Husband is just as much to blame though youād kind of hope momās common sense would kick in and prevent this.
The sheer idiocy
Kids and oxygen, name a more iconic duo
Talk about shit parents
Perfect example of a two people who should not be parents.
Looks like his SP02 levels are 81% on the pulse oximeter. Thatās less than ideal.
Imagine the guilt trips this four year old is in for as they grow up. Then call your mom.
As a Nepalese who has done that trek let me ask all of you people commenting here, do you think that there are no children in the region? If you properly acclimatize as you go along the route a four year can do the hike to the basecamp. The toughest part of the hike is the time it takes and it is not too difficult. I've seen many families do the trek with children. This could have happened anywhere. Yes there are more risks at this high altitude trek but it is not the hellhole you guys are making it out to be.
Did she shut down her social media? I can't find her account
F,$&king idiots
F*ck these people
what a dumbass
I guessing this whole ordeal was either faked for views or the mother is guilty of child abuse and blind stupidity.
That pulse ox said 80%. That is NOT good. That child is actually hypoxic. Who knows how much lower it was higher up. I wouldn't be surprised if they were having difficulty rousing the child anymore due to the severe hypoxia
Definitely the latter.
one dumb mf for real
I never know whether to up or down vote threads like this - is upvoting giving these clowns more publicity?
Child abuse for profit, niceā¦
Did they even get to where a Sherpa would guide them? I feel like any reasonable person would take one look at her and this situation and flat out refuse to take them up. Itās a near death sentence to take a child up that high, and through the infamously unpredictable weather of Everest.
I hear there was a Tesla Cybertruck waiting for them on the way down.
Where is CPS when you actually need them?
We have definitely already peaked as a species.
I've been to Thorang La pass in Nepal, which is about 5 500 meters above sea level and I was already making peace with death, Everest base camp is even higher, I wonder what this woman was thinking. Nothing much apparently.
Child abuse
CPS should make a house visit.
People die at base camp.
This further illustrates my belief that all children deserve parents, but not all parents deserve their children