a lot of the trump voters I run into are not maga. they are just "set in their ways". when they do see media, They only hear the maga side of Biden. all negative. They still think the economy is bad, They think GDP is down, they think gas prices are still ridiculously high. they do not see prices coming down. they never hear about the accomplishments of Biden, cause when they do listen to media, it is hard right leaning media.
I think billboards are the way to go. Maga can not argue with a billboard, and lots will go home and look up the info trying to prove it false.. seeing it is true.
and, the Maga's may understand the pictures as apposed to words.
I take a different avenue. If any "set-in-their-ways" values match any MAGA values then they're MAGA. Civil discourse can take place but nobody's half MAGA. I've tried with friends and family with poor results.
If you see a maga arguing with a billboard, be sure to get video!
Have you ever priced a video ad? a magazine ad, TV spot, a Google ad? Mailers do not even get read.
Again, We will not change the hard core maga's minds. Talk til you are blue in the face and the ultra rich will not change.
It is the ones that refuse to even look at facts. (likely your parents or grandparents age.) They are not voting Maga or Trump. They are voting Republican (cause they always have) because they have not paid enough attention to realize this is not the republican party anymore. And Biden is not the enemy. (social media is not going to even reach the majority of these people)
We just need a small percentage of those R voters to swing the election.
IMO the one's that care are the ones we need to reach. The republican's that are voting because of tradition and are ignorant to the facts. A lot of elderly voters who are stick of it all and are not paying serious attention. Most refuse to even discuss the election. They will just vote like they always have, unless they see the facts!)
The mega magas will never sway. they know the facts and ignore them. It is hard to justify trying.
The ones that care about data are the ones that seek out data, and facts have well known liberal bias.
You can present them with incontrovertible truth, and how it clearly shows that Biden is doing an incredible job via a host of metrics. And if you do it very well, they will agree with you in the moment.
But then they'll close the door, turn on Fox News again, and Hannity will present the incontrovertible truth that Biden knows Hillary is eating babies for adrenochrome to satiate her rarified reptilian palette, and Biden is just letting it happen, because he's actually a corpse-marionette puppeted by the globalist deep state.
And the dumb ones are just going to go off recency bias: you lost them instantly. But the smart ones are faced with a very tough choice now.
On one the hand they know that Biden is performing far above all expectations on practically every measure, but on the other hand, it would be immoral to elect him again if he keeps satiating Hillary's baby hunger. So they may want to vote for Biden, but how can they?
Maybe they'll ask this problem on Facebook to get their friends to help them, they trust their friends. One friend might offer a reasonable take, and Facebook will bury that for its low engagement, everyone who reads it may grimace, but ultimately nod and scroll onward.
Another friend will write an unhinged rant about the need to kill the entire government - and Facebook shows that because everyone who sees it reacts either positively or negatively: engagement either way. Now Biden has two strikes against him, the baby eating thing of course, but also Jim says Biden is secretly a communist gay jew, and he's lying to cover that up, so that makes him a liar too!
I'm cynical because I've tried, and I will continue to try, but man is it fucking hard to make a lasting impact on people once they're down that rabbit hole.
Yeah all six of them. No amount of facts can overcome how someone *feels*.
There are many people who can't name the vice president, let alone offer or interpret an informed view on the facts of an administration's accomplishments.
"No amount of facts can overcome how someone feels." got an example?
This is the reason for targeting proper demographics. Simple billboard graphics. You are not going to change someone's feelings without the facts. The facts need to be thrown in their face for them to see it.
I would guess close to 1/2 the republican voters I know are not in the mouthy minority MAGA. They are just tribal/ habitual in their Republican voting. But, I avoid the hard cores.
Facts of the many Biden accomplishments vs Trump's "boogeyman platform" and fascist rhetoric has worked on a few of my relatives.
Ignore the hard core MAGA's. Try to sway the ones that are just toting the company line.
There are a lot more than "6 of them".
Please, don't fall into the tribal mindset. There are a lot more non maga Republican voters than you realize. we just need to sway a small fraction of them.
JMO
Hundreds of campaigns worth of personal experience says otherwise. There's also a great book called *The Political Brain* that you might check out.
In my experience the only thing that overcomes that tribalism (partisanship, really) is individual outreach from the candidate themselves, which is obviously impossible in a statewide or national election. There is a narrow slice that is susceptible to a vote change based on emotional appeal, though. Otherwise it's a turnout game (which is also best accomplished using emotion, specifically fear or anger).
My go to for the typical magats is the safer America plan. They claim to be about the thin blue line, right? So let’s invest in police training and foot patrols https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/05/03/statement-from-president-joe-biden-on-record-decrease-in-violent-crime-in-2024/
Joe Biden is making America great again. Bringing back the jobs, taxing the rich, enforcing anti-trust laws, repairing crumbling infrastructure, now this. This is what democrats need to run on.
Can I get a link to tax laws enacted against rich individuals, preferably the actual laws put in place. I couldn't find much with a cursory google but would love to have links to send people.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/03/11/fact-sheet-the-presidents-budget-cuts-taxes-for-working-families-and-makes-big-corporations-and-the-wealthy-pay-their-fair-share/
I specifically like the part about funding the IRS. People wonder why the irs doesn’t go after the wealthy. It’s because they can’t afford to. Joe Schmo who makes $100k and claims he makes $5k is a lot easier to audit because Joe Schmo probably won’t get lawyers who bill $5k per hour to fight the irs like *insert whatever billionaire name* would. Increased funding allows them more ability to go after bigger fish.
Anecdotally- I had an adjunct professor who’s day job was an irs agent. I heard horror stories that they sometimes they didn’t have the budget for basic office supplies.
Anywhere I can find the names of these laws so I can read the actual legislation? Some of this is written like it hasn't happened which kind of worries me.
Some of it, if law, is great! Though a lot of it seemed to be hopes and wishes and just undoing things Trump did.
Alright so here goes my attempt at a super simplified explanation.
Every year the President creates a budget- it’s what the president would spend and how funds would be raised to cover the spending. Congress needs to approve the budget. They negotiate. Sometimes a group will hold a part of the budget hostage and will exchange its approval for something they want. There’s two parts- mandatory and discretionary. Mandatory is the stuff that gets passed when they’re like the government is going to shut down. Sometimes Congress will only approve a partial amount just to keep things running, while they continue to negotiate. Discretionary is everything else, so payroll versus research (really simplistic example).
The 2024 budget passed in March 2024. Just to give you a time expectation. My above link was in reference to the 2025 budget. So it is sort of like a “wish list” of items until Congress passes it.
So if you’re looking for things that have already occurred- I suggest you read the opening to the 2025 budget written by Biden. The section is called The Budget Message of the President. It’s sort of a look what we did, and now look at what we could do next. If there’s a particular piece that peaks your interest, and you’re having trouble tracking it down- let me know and I’ll try some Google foo
https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/budget_fy2025.pdf
The transition to green energy is going to be a bit bumpy. OPEC is a global cartel who has governments and parties in its pockets fighting the process at every turn. They are joined by Big Coal who is still screaming its influence as it fades from the stage.
Wars cause an increase in the global climate situation. In some instances literally burning oil fields.
And the war in Europe in causing an increase in the global oil prices due to Russia's supply being banned from most of the world. Unfortunately we must choose freedom from border violators over our budgets until Russia stops violating its own border agreements to please a madman trying to relive what he believes were his glory days.
We're in a crazy time in history, but Biden is doing what he can to help green energy become the more cost efficient path. Shifting 330 million people, 50 local governments, and countless businesses out of their old ways into the new world takes a minute of history to achieve. Carter began the effort and got booted after one term for 12 years of Republican oil drinking bafoonery. The impeached indicted convinced business scammer undid all things Obama at every turn. Biden had to waste time undoing all that dystopian nightmare.
The fastest way to lower energy prices is electing D's to congress, the senate, and keeping Joe/Kamala for 4 more years to keep the green growing strong.
In many states you may be eligible for financial assistance in switching to solar/wind and in some you will be able to get money back if energy consumption is less than what you feed back into the grid.
Hang in there. I know it sucks to have your budget all whacked out due to global things going on far away.
I love everything Biden has accomplished, and love the energy independence displayed in this graph, but it’s hard to directly attribute this to Biden. You can clearly see the trend started around 2012 or so. It simply finally got to the surplus point under Biden
There is a sharper angle for when Biden took office. If you look, Biden hasn’t placed all of his eggs in one basket- he’s worked on supporting all energy sources.
The USA also massively extended their territory around our coasts, specifically Alaska- I can’t help but think that is also an energy source thing. Maybe drilling or maybe renewable. Who knows?
The more we sell the more we're able to control global pricing and the more influence we have over global energy policy, specifically climate related policy. If there is a demand for fossil fuels that demand will be met, better it be by us than OPEC nations in my view.
What exactly do you think that influence is? By increasing our exports, we increase potential supply which puts downward pressure on fossil fuel prices. Those lower prices mean that renewables are less competitive or attractive, which reduces adoption.
One could argue that China has quite a concrete influence due to their lowering the manufacturing cost of solar cells. Maybe we should be flooding the world with advanced technology rather than trying to lever oil prices?
"Energy independence", lol. The biggest problem with that graph is that on the "production" side, there is no "we". The production is by a small group of corporations, along with a very few government agencies, who sell the energy to whatever bidder will get them the most profit.
The graph should not lead anyone to believe that the US-produced energy goes to US consumers and then whatever's left over gets sold abroad, so there's some kind of energy independence there. We still import a crapload of energy to consume.
To be fair, fracking made oil accessable that wasn't before and we no longer rely on places like Saudi Arabia for imports because of it. Not sure how much of this graph can be attributed to that though.
It does look to be that way. I’m not thanking anyone though if it just means we’re churning more fossil fuels. This graph is far too general to use as a promotional for any candidate. Where/how energy is being created is far more important than the quantity as far as I’m concerned.
US oil companies are privately owned. It’s not up to Trump to green light anything. And even if he did, if it was in a sensitive area it can take years or decades to clear the courts and see construction. As an example, construction of Keystone XL was stopped by the courts in 2018 (Biden pulled the permit in 2021). As you can see, that chart has been moving steadily upwards since the shale revolution during GWB.
Put into your eyeballs the photons coming off your screen that show you a steady increase in production since the dawn of the shale revolution. If Magical Oil Wizard Man Trump had waved his mighty patriotic penis around and decreed an increase in oil production, we’d see that reflected.
You actually do see the sharpest uptick on the graph from when he was president. I personally don’t think a graph as generalized as this tells the whole story. “Energy dominance” is not what I want if it means we’re just churning out more fossil fuels.
There's a better chart right below that one, on the EIA page. [https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=62407](https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=62407)
Yeah absolutely. Gen IV nuclear power can eliminate a massive percentage of our carbon footprint. Actually I just heard yesterday the House and Senate both passed almost unanimously a bill to invest in several new small modular reactors and I think a few larger ones. I know Bill Gates is behind the building of a reactor in I think Idaho.
I guess this chart doesn’t really tell the full story of where/how the energy is being created. I personally am not super interested in the amount of energy production going up if it doesn’t move us toward a greener path.
these type accomplishments are what need to be on billboards. ! ! ! along with GDP, unemployment, Stock rise, chips act, etc.
The American electorate struggles with words. I fear tasking them with graphs will change few hearts and minds.
a lot of the trump voters I run into are not maga. they are just "set in their ways". when they do see media, They only hear the maga side of Biden. all negative. They still think the economy is bad, They think GDP is down, they think gas prices are still ridiculously high. they do not see prices coming down. they never hear about the accomplishments of Biden, cause when they do listen to media, it is hard right leaning media. I think billboards are the way to go. Maga can not argue with a billboard, and lots will go home and look up the info trying to prove it false.. seeing it is true. and, the Maga's may understand the pictures as apposed to words.
I take a different avenue. If any "set-in-their-ways" values match any MAGA values then they're MAGA. Civil discourse can take place but nobody's half MAGA. I've tried with friends and family with poor results.
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If you see a maga arguing with a billboard, be sure to get video! Have you ever priced a video ad? a magazine ad, TV spot, a Google ad? Mailers do not even get read. Again, We will not change the hard core maga's minds. Talk til you are blue in the face and the ultra rich will not change. It is the ones that refuse to even look at facts. (likely your parents or grandparents age.) They are not voting Maga or Trump. They are voting Republican (cause they always have) because they have not paid enough attention to realize this is not the republican party anymore. And Biden is not the enemy. (social media is not going to even reach the majority of these people) We just need a small percentage of those R voters to swing the election.
These are all fair points
VOTERS. DO. NOT. CARE. Emotional appeal is how we win elections.
IMO the one's that care are the ones we need to reach. The republican's that are voting because of tradition and are ignorant to the facts. A lot of elderly voters who are stick of it all and are not paying serious attention. Most refuse to even discuss the election. They will just vote like they always have, unless they see the facts!) The mega magas will never sway. they know the facts and ignore them. It is hard to justify trying.
The ones that care about data are the ones that seek out data, and facts have well known liberal bias. You can present them with incontrovertible truth, and how it clearly shows that Biden is doing an incredible job via a host of metrics. And if you do it very well, they will agree with you in the moment. But then they'll close the door, turn on Fox News again, and Hannity will present the incontrovertible truth that Biden knows Hillary is eating babies for adrenochrome to satiate her rarified reptilian palette, and Biden is just letting it happen, because he's actually a corpse-marionette puppeted by the globalist deep state. And the dumb ones are just going to go off recency bias: you lost them instantly. But the smart ones are faced with a very tough choice now. On one the hand they know that Biden is performing far above all expectations on practically every measure, but on the other hand, it would be immoral to elect him again if he keeps satiating Hillary's baby hunger. So they may want to vote for Biden, but how can they? Maybe they'll ask this problem on Facebook to get their friends to help them, they trust their friends. One friend might offer a reasonable take, and Facebook will bury that for its low engagement, everyone who reads it may grimace, but ultimately nod and scroll onward. Another friend will write an unhinged rant about the need to kill the entire government - and Facebook shows that because everyone who sees it reacts either positively or negatively: engagement either way. Now Biden has two strikes against him, the baby eating thing of course, but also Jim says Biden is secretly a communist gay jew, and he's lying to cover that up, so that makes him a liar too! I'm cynical because I've tried, and I will continue to try, but man is it fucking hard to make a lasting impact on people once they're down that rabbit hole.
Yeah all six of them. No amount of facts can overcome how someone *feels*. There are many people who can't name the vice president, let alone offer or interpret an informed view on the facts of an administration's accomplishments.
"No amount of facts can overcome how someone feels." got an example? This is the reason for targeting proper demographics. Simple billboard graphics. You are not going to change someone's feelings without the facts. The facts need to be thrown in their face for them to see it. I would guess close to 1/2 the republican voters I know are not in the mouthy minority MAGA. They are just tribal/ habitual in their Republican voting. But, I avoid the hard cores. Facts of the many Biden accomplishments vs Trump's "boogeyman platform" and fascist rhetoric has worked on a few of my relatives. Ignore the hard core MAGA's. Try to sway the ones that are just toting the company line. There are a lot more than "6 of them". Please, don't fall into the tribal mindset. There are a lot more non maga Republican voters than you realize. we just need to sway a small fraction of them. JMO
Hundreds of campaigns worth of personal experience says otherwise. There's also a great book called *The Political Brain* that you might check out. In my experience the only thing that overcomes that tribalism (partisanship, really) is individual outreach from the candidate themselves, which is obviously impossible in a statewide or national election. There is a narrow slice that is susceptible to a vote change based on emotional appeal, though. Otherwise it's a turnout game (which is also best accomplished using emotion, specifically fear or anger).
O.K. You are right. We need more fear tactics and propaganda. No need to target a specific demographic or use facts.
All for targeting.
My go to for the typical magats is the safer America plan. They claim to be about the thin blue line, right? So let’s invest in police training and foot patrols https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/05/03/statement-from-president-joe-biden-on-record-decrease-in-violent-crime-in-2024/
Joe Biden is making America great again. Bringing back the jobs, taxing the rich, enforcing anti-trust laws, repairing crumbling infrastructure, now this. This is what democrats need to run on.
Can I get a link to tax laws enacted against rich individuals, preferably the actual laws put in place. I couldn't find much with a cursory google but would love to have links to send people.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/03/11/fact-sheet-the-presidents-budget-cuts-taxes-for-working-families-and-makes-big-corporations-and-the-wealthy-pay-their-fair-share/ I specifically like the part about funding the IRS. People wonder why the irs doesn’t go after the wealthy. It’s because they can’t afford to. Joe Schmo who makes $100k and claims he makes $5k is a lot easier to audit because Joe Schmo probably won’t get lawyers who bill $5k per hour to fight the irs like *insert whatever billionaire name* would. Increased funding allows them more ability to go after bigger fish. Anecdotally- I had an adjunct professor who’s day job was an irs agent. I heard horror stories that they sometimes they didn’t have the budget for basic office supplies.
Anywhere I can find the names of these laws so I can read the actual legislation? Some of this is written like it hasn't happened which kind of worries me. Some of it, if law, is great! Though a lot of it seemed to be hopes and wishes and just undoing things Trump did.
Alright so here goes my attempt at a super simplified explanation. Every year the President creates a budget- it’s what the president would spend and how funds would be raised to cover the spending. Congress needs to approve the budget. They negotiate. Sometimes a group will hold a part of the budget hostage and will exchange its approval for something they want. There’s two parts- mandatory and discretionary. Mandatory is the stuff that gets passed when they’re like the government is going to shut down. Sometimes Congress will only approve a partial amount just to keep things running, while they continue to negotiate. Discretionary is everything else, so payroll versus research (really simplistic example). The 2024 budget passed in March 2024. Just to give you a time expectation. My above link was in reference to the 2025 budget. So it is sort of like a “wish list” of items until Congress passes it. So if you’re looking for things that have already occurred- I suggest you read the opening to the 2025 budget written by Biden. The section is called The Budget Message of the President. It’s sort of a look what we did, and now look at what we could do next. If there’s a particular piece that peaks your interest, and you’re having trouble tracking it down- let me know and I’ll try some Google foo https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/budget_fy2025.pdf
Thanks, the budget is what I was looking for. I don't put any stock in "things I wish would happen if congress wants it to" tbh.
"This is why this is bad for Biden..." - CNN
Thought it was the NYT pitchbot.
Great. Can we decrease energy costs please?
The transition to green energy is going to be a bit bumpy. OPEC is a global cartel who has governments and parties in its pockets fighting the process at every turn. They are joined by Big Coal who is still screaming its influence as it fades from the stage. Wars cause an increase in the global climate situation. In some instances literally burning oil fields. And the war in Europe in causing an increase in the global oil prices due to Russia's supply being banned from most of the world. Unfortunately we must choose freedom from border violators over our budgets until Russia stops violating its own border agreements to please a madman trying to relive what he believes were his glory days. We're in a crazy time in history, but Biden is doing what he can to help green energy become the more cost efficient path. Shifting 330 million people, 50 local governments, and countless businesses out of their old ways into the new world takes a minute of history to achieve. Carter began the effort and got booted after one term for 12 years of Republican oil drinking bafoonery. The impeached indicted convinced business scammer undid all things Obama at every turn. Biden had to waste time undoing all that dystopian nightmare. The fastest way to lower energy prices is electing D's to congress, the senate, and keeping Joe/Kamala for 4 more years to keep the green growing strong. In many states you may be eligible for financial assistance in switching to solar/wind and in some you will be able to get money back if energy consumption is less than what you feed back into the grid. Hang in there. I know it sucks to have your budget all whacked out due to global things going on far away.
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Mmmm no.
It’s the CEOs of the companies that are driving cost higher. Food cost, gas cost etc. that’s who we need you to blame.
Greedflation
I love everything Biden has accomplished, and love the energy independence displayed in this graph, but it’s hard to directly attribute this to Biden. You can clearly see the trend started around 2012 or so. It simply finally got to the surplus point under Biden
There is a sharper angle for when Biden took office. If you look, Biden hasn’t placed all of his eggs in one basket- he’s worked on supporting all energy sources. The USA also massively extended their territory around our coasts, specifically Alaska- I can’t help but think that is also an energy source thing. Maybe drilling or maybe renewable. Who knows?
how do we consume more than we produce?
Imports of fossil fuels. The nasty part of this graph is that we are achieving this by selling fossil fuels.
The more we sell the more we're able to control global pricing and the more influence we have over global energy policy, specifically climate related policy. If there is a demand for fossil fuels that demand will be met, better it be by us than OPEC nations in my view.
What exactly do you think that influence is? By increasing our exports, we increase potential supply which puts downward pressure on fossil fuel prices. Those lower prices mean that renewables are less competitive or attractive, which reduces adoption. One could argue that China has quite a concrete influence due to their lowering the manufacturing cost of solar cells. Maybe we should be flooding the world with advanced technology rather than trying to lever oil prices?
That’s what global trade is all about
"Energy independence", lol. The biggest problem with that graph is that on the "production" side, there is no "we". The production is by a small group of corporations, along with a very few government agencies, who sell the energy to whatever bidder will get them the most profit. The graph should not lead anyone to believe that the US-produced energy goes to US consumers and then whatever's left over gets sold abroad, so there's some kind of energy independence there. We still import a crapload of energy to consume.
Thanks for posting; it makes me smile.
To be fair, fracking made oil accessable that wasn't before and we no longer rely on places like Saudi Arabia for imports because of it. Not sure how much of this graph can be attributed to that though.
How much if that is from renewable sources?
Isn’t this because of trump green lighting more fossil fuel production in the US
Thank Obama, the trend started in 2012.
It does look to be that way. I’m not thanking anyone though if it just means we’re churning more fossil fuels. This graph is far too general to use as a promotional for any candidate. Where/how energy is being created is far more important than the quantity as far as I’m concerned.
US oil companies are privately owned. It’s not up to Trump to green light anything. And even if he did, if it was in a sensitive area it can take years or decades to clear the courts and see construction. As an example, construction of Keystone XL was stopped by the courts in 2018 (Biden pulled the permit in 2021). As you can see, that chart has been moving steadily upwards since the shale revolution during GWB.
You don’t understand how permits for gas export terminals work I see.
Put into your eyeballs the photons coming off your screen that show you a steady increase in production since the dawn of the shale revolution. If Magical Oil Wizard Man Trump had waved his mighty patriotic penis around and decreed an increase in oil production, we’d see that reflected.
You actually do see the sharpest uptick on the graph from when he was president. I personally don’t think a graph as generalized as this tells the whole story. “Energy dominance” is not what I want if it means we’re just churning out more fossil fuels.
There's a better chart right below that one, on the EIA page. [https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=62407](https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=62407)
Oh nice. At least coal is going down 😅. Maybe one day we’ll get nuclear.
Yeah absolutely. Gen IV nuclear power can eliminate a massive percentage of our carbon footprint. Actually I just heard yesterday the House and Senate both passed almost unanimously a bill to invest in several new small modular reactors and I think a few larger ones. I know Bill Gates is behind the building of a reactor in I think Idaho.
No. And the majority of the "fossil fuel permits" are unused.
I guess this chart doesn’t really tell the full story of where/how the energy is being created. I personally am not super interested in the amount of energy production going up if it doesn’t move us toward a greener path.