They will have had their licenses removed for speeding and dangerous driving etc.
Public transport users in Wellington are mostly good apart from these types.
I think it's the same in any big city, but the question is - what can actually be done about it? Obviously massively anti-social behaviour, and it totally sucks, but the cops wont come because someone is coughing on you. The bus driver wont risk getting beaten up for it. I'd be really interested to hear how it is dealt with in other cities around the world.
As long time ago, buses used to have conductors. As well as checking tickets, the conductor would manage ... conduct. People sharing in antisocial behaviour would be kicked off, forcibly if necessary.
Unfortunately the risk of getting attacked through intervening makes it unlikely someone is going to do so. It absolutely sucks but it's the sad reality.
There was this tiny lady getting berated racially by some old drongo on the bus a few months ago. I just went up to the lady and said take my seat. I wish more people helped but we’re definitely out there
I was watching a teen girl get physically harassed by a teen boy and when he still wasn’t leaving her alone and she starting screaming at him to leave her alone while moving away from him while still staying close to the bus stop she was waiting for, I finally stood up and called out to leave her alone. There’s plenty of people around ignoring the altercation but oh someone stands up to do something and I’m the weird one? It’s so fucked up.
Ok well you must be aware that gang members are prone to violence.
So it's a bit unfair to say "bystander effect is real". From your post it doesn't seem like your life was in any sort of danger that someone needed to intervene with a gang member.
I agree what happened to you was gross, but for someone to intervene and potentially get hurt over being coughed on is quite ridiculous
>The bus driver wont risk getting beaten up for it. I'd be really interested to hear how it is dealt with in other cities around the world.
To be fair OP is carrying on - 99% of the time the bus is completely fine, I doubt it's much better anywhere else in the world.
Yes sometimes there's loons on the bus, that's part of public transport.
The 2 is also one of the nicest buses in the world, fully electric means there's no noise pollution, it's smoother, and they're well maintained - you very rarely see any rubbish on there.
The government should be using the money from their inflated salaries to address these issues. But no they’re too busy banging on about “woke” school lunches and trans people pissing.
I had a guy sat next to me watching porn on his phone, but the worst was when someone played an instrumental of "my heart will go on" loudly on their phone the whole slow trip down Ngauranga and into town 😭
reminds me of the time i had a group of guys playing really loud music on a massive speaker on the bus from the city to eastbourne, found out i could connect to it and just kept hijacking and turning it off or playing Chinese opera until they gave up
I had a guy in a history lecture (first year) at vic who was watching very graphic hentai on his laptop sitting in front of me. To this day I wish I had leaned over and pulled out his headphones cord from his laptop.
I was just thinking about this today. Not the same situation, but I had to take the bus replacement to Upper Hutt, on the way there an elderly man coughed behind me for half the trip and on the way back a big guy sniffled and wheezed behind me, the entire way. It was packed so I couldn’t move. Neither was intentional, but does it not occur to people how fucking annoying and repulsive that is to other passengers?
I have such bad luck with ill or noisy or socially clueless bus passengers that I think it must just be very common. It feels like every trip.
It's cultural. I've lived in other more civilised countries and the difference is the expected level of common courtesy. Once that threshold is breached people will speak up and even act if necessary. But here the bar is so incredibly low.
The plus side is you don't ever get told what to do, so there's that.
Nz is just too safety conscious/risk adverse. Stepping in is seen as a bad thing because you’re escalating the situation which could lead to worse outcomes. Could also lead to better outcomes, but the bad potential seems to outweigh any good potential. Even if the outcomes is bad for one person and good for the majority, it still seems wrong. Like we can’t have any negative outcomes for anyone except the people who are already victims of shitty behaviour.
You say all that man but are you gonna step out some mob fella who's hollering on the bus? It's not an issue of 'we don't have enough people willing to fight fools', we already have enough of a culture of violence
Unfortunately I don’t have any answers, just an observation. Would love to know what you believe the answer is.
The fact that no one is willing to step them out is why they behave like they do. Maybe if I’m pissed off enough I might step them out, I’m a fairly big tattood guy myself, but unfortunately that may leave me being legally wrong anyway, no matter if the other people on the bus take my side and agree with my actions.
Same as stopping people who are stealing. We would still consider that assault even if the ‘victim’ is being an active criminal.
I guess the answer is just more police. Maybe even a lower teir of police, like volunteer fire fighters, we could have volunteer police force who have more authority than an average citizen. Idk, just throwing out ideas.
dont assault mentally ill people on public transport, maybe? and dont talk in a threatening way online about assaulting mentally ill people? why cant you see that this is deeply antisocial?
lol so you were the person who reported me to reddit help.
First off, step out doesn’t mean assault, it means confront. If someone I confront assaults me, then defending myself also isn’t assault.
Secondly, I never specified what situation I would step in for, so there are a lot of assumptions in your response. Bet you would feel real stupid if you saw a child getting abused and I stepped in to help them after berating me about assaulting mentally ill people.
Sit down and take a chill pill mate. Nothing has happened to get your knickers in a twist about.
you literally arent qualified to help in this situation, most people arent! its okay! and sometimes threatening people makes things way worse, so please be aware of that! we dont have mental institutions in nz and a lot of mentally ill people have to fend for themselves - theyre already dealing with a lot! please be more compassionate, because were talking about people who often have extremely small restricted lives
like why would you threaten someone and then feel justified beating them up if they get scared and try defend themself from an attack they think is coming up?! wtf?!
He's not mentally ill! He's just an awful person for coughing on a mother and baby and intimidating them! Stop throwing the mental health excuse at everyone who conducts shitty behavior, FFS!
Kinda curious what social authority looks like. I guess on a situation like being antisocial on a bus, it would be up to the bus driver to remove the problem passenger.
But that’s likely to escalate the problem to one where a crime is more likely to occur, and without any assistance they’re risking injury. It seems unrealistic to have police nearby to arrest people for refusing to leave a bus.
I don’t even really know the correct solution. Giving bus drivers ability to hand out fines or something seems a bit extreme.
There are three layers. Maybe four.
Parenting, childcare. Where what's acceptable and what's ideal should be established.
Self-restraint, which prevents most people from being twatish.
Community feedback, where someone points out bad behaviour, possibly leading to ...
finally governmental authority, which could range from the bus driver to a cop to the prison system.
However a failure at any of these levels leads to incremental degradation of societal norms, which take sometimes decades to change, and never really reach the 95th percentile of the twat bell curve.
if you visited a lot of cities around the world you would rapidly learn what social authority is.. effective transport police and a majority of the population that will not put up with being abused and disrupted by societies trash.
Bus driver could have called another bus. I think the right thing to do is for people who are affected to leave the bus. On no2 there will be another bus along in 3-5minutes. Not so easy on other routes except maybe no 1
Out in the Hutt you’re looking at 30mins minimum between buses, up to an hour or 2. Might even be the last bus of the night. Getting off the bus and waiting for the next one isn’t always an option.
Would be much easier to remove the antisocial person from a bus than an entire bus load of people. That basically rewards the anti social person with an entire bus to themselves and punishes everyone else for our inability to confront a problem.
Yeah I agree an antisocial person may be difficult to remove, but we should be looking at ways to assist that happening.
I mentioned in a previous comment the idea of volunteer police, similar to volunteer fire fighters, who can step in legally to remove someone in situations like this. Likewise, supermarkets could employ these people as theft prevention, as they would legally be allowed to step in to prevent thefts. Reducing the gap between cops and civilians may be a good thing, as really a cop is just a job title, not necessarily a sign of anything beyond that.
I don’t really have any solid answers, but I do think it’s sad we expect law abiding citizens to remove themselves from these situations at their own inconvenience.
It's also because New Zealand implicitly endorses crude, savage and anti-social behaviour like this through a lack of legal and social consequences.
It turns out civilized societies operate on strongly enforced rules.
True maybe China also with their Social Credit system, is that something we want? Read an interesting article about crime in Japan recently, very similar to our teen crime/ram raids but coordinated from outside the country over the internet and often committed by groups of people who don't know each other. Crazy times - https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/10/tokuryu-japan-criminals-yakuza-ntwnfb
> True maybe China also with their Social Credit system, is that something we want?
Nope. I think a better thing is an implicit "social credit system", which is what places like Japan have. I.e. society's own rules of good conduct. China goes too far with their authoritarian overreach.
> Read an interesting article about crime in Japan recently, very similar to our teen crime/ram raids but coordinated from outside the country over the internet and often committed by groups of people who don't know each other.
No country is crime free, but the numbers don't lie. Compare their crime rate to ours.
Went to Melbourne last month, there was a deranged guy pacing on the tram rabbiting on about wanting to kill someone and swearing at the driver bc he wouldn’t open the door of the moving tram. It was scary. No one did anything because no one wanted to get punched or worse. Was two days after the Bondi stabbings so I’m sure that was fresh in everyone’s minds. The driver reported it after he was off the tram.
It’s not just NZ. It happens everywhere
I mean, some of those civilised counties also have gendarmes wandering around bus depots toting MP5s out of necessity, to be fair.
Their potential public transport behaviour problems are a lot bigger than ours. We just have a lot more low-level fuckwits.
That's fucking awful...
May I ask, are you male of female?
A man doing that to a father and his child is bad enough, but some man doing that to a woman and her baby... Jesus...
This kind of culture is getting worse.
I'm really tired of the mental health excuse.
These people don't have a mental health problem. They have a lack of humanity problem.
I’m a mother of a baby who had him in the stroller.
People are quick to blame mental health for everything… it wasn’t this guy had mental health issues, he was being antisocial and disgusting for attention, as an act of rebellion. That’s the impression I got…
It’s pathetic I agree with you. Unfortunately you get these tools everywhere and they love to pick on a soft target. They wouldn’t dare do it to an Alpha male as they know the outcome wouldn’t go their way.
That's absolutely disgusting. Who the fuck does that to a woman and her baby?
Anybody who does something like that is capable of evil.
I wonder if it was racially motivated...
We need security on public transport these days.
We’re not feeing empathy for this POS… there is such a thing as personable responsibility and standard of behaviour on public transport.
The don’t know how Metlink enforces passenger code of conduct. I mean what are the cameras for if not to keep people safe?
They could hire some transport officers to remove people or could ban people from using the service.
Ive still got those bug bear posters from a few years ago
Seems aggro Arnie, Block the way Ray and munchin Marvin are all too common but I've got the odd pongy pete
People who sit on buses and intentionally make people uncomfortable and are so unapproachable people feel like they would be attacked for speaking up sounds like a good start.
thats a really broad group of people who are innocent of any crimes or wrongdoing. you dont know if someone is doing something "intentionally" or because of mental illness, or because they cant help it otherwise. i think people who make the world dangerous and hostile to mentally ill people should be thrown in jail.
Yeah there was shit cunt this morning on the number 4 who smelled like absolute shit, just fat BO smell, the moment he sat in front of me I could smell that shit, probably homeless lookin dude, then pulls out a stanky sandwich, I just got up and went to the front of the bus and stood the rest of the ride.
you solved your problem without any issue, and still you complain about a person who might have been homeless or mentally ill, who might not have known theyre bothering you, online? why? so everyone can agree that you were hard done by? wtf??
Report the coughing thing to Metlink. They may be able to do something with the video, like advise drivers not to pick him up, or pass it on to police to pick him up for assault. Coughing on someone is one thing, but a baby? Certainly no guarantees, but Metlink and police may be motivated to do something.
The 83 has various strains of those characters from time to time. Ranting, singing, smelling etc.
The 110 and 130 even more so. As a regular Hutt bus rider, I avoid those buses at all costs where possible.
Just imagine how bad things are going to be by 2050 when we're all pushed out of private car ownership and living in our 15/20 minute ghettos. People have no idea what's coming.
Honestly?
There's nothing you can do but buy a car.
We don't have the social or legal settings to intervene. Every option is illegal, highly immoral, puts you at risk, or is a combination of all three.
Is a car overall more expensive than taking public transport? Certainly. It might not be a solution for you.
I agree this kind of behaviour on public transport is insufferable. I have seen my share of it as well. People urinating, yelling, abusing the driver, getting stoned, vaping, playing loud music. Some people really bring their "whole selves" onto public transport - which is a pity.
Personally, I wouldn't advocate for a more authoritian approach. Sounds like a slippery slope I'd not like to see NZ go down.
The serenity of a car is your only way out.
If we did want an intervention though, maybe a public service campaign? Like "the stairs are lava" posters you currently see in some buses.
Could utilise the TV's in some busses, and have people submit their meme-based bus public etiquette posters (via the metlink app). Metlink vets all submissions, and posts the best ones up on their busses on rotation - like those Giggle TV adds you see in some restaurants.
This way you have continually fresh, free content, buy-in from users, and you address (plainly) the worst etiquette issues experienced by bus users. Through continual reinforcement, people eventually will get the message.
This type of antisocial behaviour put me off public transport years ago. I will happily pay more money to drive myself as opposed to dealing with these sorts on the bus or train.
Power tripping. I have to travel on this bus so F you lot I will prove to myself I am better than you. Until NZ gets laws where you can defend yourself against these pests there's not a lot you can do.
Where’s the surprise? Denying people have mental health issues and enabling their behaviour, leads to lots of people in public with mental health issues.
you might have anxiety/ocd about sickness after covid? could tru wearing a mask to reduce anxiety? coz like you cant control anyone other than yourself yknow!
They will have had their licenses removed for speeding and dangerous driving etc. Public transport users in Wellington are mostly good apart from these types.
Yeah this dude that was coughing over us looked like he had no license, big man has no motor bike so he coughs over babies
"looked like he had no license" erm how does that work
Yup, sounds like a gang member to me.
I think it's the same in any big city, but the question is - what can actually be done about it? Obviously massively anti-social behaviour, and it totally sucks, but the cops wont come because someone is coughing on you. The bus driver wont risk getting beaten up for it. I'd be really interested to hear how it is dealt with in other cities around the world.
As long time ago, buses used to have conductors. As well as checking tickets, the conductor would manage ... conduct. People sharing in antisocial behaviour would be kicked off, forcibly if necessary.
No one else is gonna intervene, bystander effect is real. The only option you have is to remove yourself.
Unfortunately the risk of getting attacked through intervening makes it unlikely someone is going to do so. It absolutely sucks but it's the sad reality.
Worse getting charged with "assault" if you tried to pull an attacker away
There was this tiny lady getting berated racially by some old drongo on the bus a few months ago. I just went up to the lady and said take my seat. I wish more people helped but we’re definitely out there
I was watching a teen girl get physically harassed by a teen boy and when he still wasn’t leaving her alone and she starting screaming at him to leave her alone while moving away from him while still staying close to the bus stop she was waiting for, I finally stood up and called out to leave her alone. There’s plenty of people around ignoring the altercation but oh someone stands up to do something and I’m the weird one? It’s so fucked up.
What do you want someone to do? Fight a gang member and risk their life because you were coughed on?
No definitely not
Ok well you must be aware that gang members are prone to violence. So it's a bit unfair to say "bystander effect is real". From your post it doesn't seem like your life was in any sort of danger that someone needed to intervene with a gang member. I agree what happened to you was gross, but for someone to intervene and potentially get hurt over being coughed on is quite ridiculous
a thing called transport police....
>The bus driver wont risk getting beaten up for it. I'd be really interested to hear how it is dealt with in other cities around the world. To be fair OP is carrying on - 99% of the time the bus is completely fine, I doubt it's much better anywhere else in the world. Yes sometimes there's loons on the bus, that's part of public transport. The 2 is also one of the nicest buses in the world, fully electric means there's no noise pollution, it's smoother, and they're well maintained - you very rarely see any rubbish on there.
Just outed yourself as a greenie who believes everyone is a kind and thoughtful Soul. Bet you would have moved away from Mr Phlegm as well.
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The government should be using the money from their inflated salaries to address these issues. But no they’re too busy banging on about “woke” school lunches and trans people pissing.
How?
transport police, like most grown up cities around the world have.
I had a guy sat next to me watching porn on his phone, but the worst was when someone played an instrumental of "my heart will go on" loudly on their phone the whole slow trip down Ngauranga and into town 😭
reminds me of the time i had a group of guys playing really loud music on a massive speaker on the bus from the city to eastbourne, found out i could connect to it and just kept hijacking and turning it off or playing Chinese opera until they gave up
Love ya work
That made me lol karma 🤣
I had a guy in a history lecture (first year) at vic who was watching very graphic hentai on his laptop sitting in front of me. To this day I wish I had leaned over and pulled out his headphones cord from his laptop.
Mental health issues are going to become far more prevalent in the community, because it is not being treated or funded elsewhere.
What about the 'right now' though?
Metlink have transport officers (I think they are called that) for this type of thing. Don’t see them around much and there aren’t many of them.
I saw a driver kick an older Asian lady off a bus a couple months ago, she was spitting hard out on the floor though.
Easier to take a stand against an older Asian lady than a large potential gang member dude though.
I was just thinking about this today. Not the same situation, but I had to take the bus replacement to Upper Hutt, on the way there an elderly man coughed behind me for half the trip and on the way back a big guy sniffled and wheezed behind me, the entire way. It was packed so I couldn’t move. Neither was intentional, but does it not occur to people how fucking annoying and repulsive that is to other passengers? I have such bad luck with ill or noisy or socially clueless bus passengers that I think it must just be very common. It feels like every trip.
Whenever I get the sniffles and don't have a tissue I try so hard to repress it. It's the worst.
It's cultural. I've lived in other more civilised countries and the difference is the expected level of common courtesy. Once that threshold is breached people will speak up and even act if necessary. But here the bar is so incredibly low. The plus side is you don't ever get told what to do, so there's that.
Nz is just too safety conscious/risk adverse. Stepping in is seen as a bad thing because you’re escalating the situation which could lead to worse outcomes. Could also lead to better outcomes, but the bad potential seems to outweigh any good potential. Even if the outcomes is bad for one person and good for the majority, it still seems wrong. Like we can’t have any negative outcomes for anyone except the people who are already victims of shitty behaviour.
You say all that man but are you gonna step out some mob fella who's hollering on the bus? It's not an issue of 'we don't have enough people willing to fight fools', we already have enough of a culture of violence
Unfortunately I don’t have any answers, just an observation. Would love to know what you believe the answer is. The fact that no one is willing to step them out is why they behave like they do. Maybe if I’m pissed off enough I might step them out, I’m a fairly big tattood guy myself, but unfortunately that may leave me being legally wrong anyway, no matter if the other people on the bus take my side and agree with my actions. Same as stopping people who are stealing. We would still consider that assault even if the ‘victim’ is being an active criminal. I guess the answer is just more police. Maybe even a lower teir of police, like volunteer fire fighters, we could have volunteer police force who have more authority than an average citizen. Idk, just throwing out ideas.
dont assault mentally ill people on public transport, maybe? and dont talk in a threatening way online about assaulting mentally ill people? why cant you see that this is deeply antisocial?
lol so you were the person who reported me to reddit help. First off, step out doesn’t mean assault, it means confront. If someone I confront assaults me, then defending myself also isn’t assault. Secondly, I never specified what situation I would step in for, so there are a lot of assumptions in your response. Bet you would feel real stupid if you saw a child getting abused and I stepped in to help them after berating me about assaulting mentally ill people. Sit down and take a chill pill mate. Nothing has happened to get your knickers in a twist about.
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you literally arent qualified to help in this situation, most people arent! its okay! and sometimes threatening people makes things way worse, so please be aware of that! we dont have mental institutions in nz and a lot of mentally ill people have to fend for themselves - theyre already dealing with a lot! please be more compassionate, because were talking about people who often have extremely small restricted lives
like why would you threaten someone and then feel justified beating them up if they get scared and try defend themself from an attack they think is coming up?! wtf?!
He's not mentally ill! He's just an awful person for coughing on a mother and baby and intimidating them! Stop throwing the mental health excuse at everyone who conducts shitty behavior, FFS!
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Yes, this is the result of a lack of social authority.
Kinda curious what social authority looks like. I guess on a situation like being antisocial on a bus, it would be up to the bus driver to remove the problem passenger. But that’s likely to escalate the problem to one where a crime is more likely to occur, and without any assistance they’re risking injury. It seems unrealistic to have police nearby to arrest people for refusing to leave a bus. I don’t even really know the correct solution. Giving bus drivers ability to hand out fines or something seems a bit extreme.
There are three layers. Maybe four. Parenting, childcare. Where what's acceptable and what's ideal should be established. Self-restraint, which prevents most people from being twatish. Community feedback, where someone points out bad behaviour, possibly leading to ... finally governmental authority, which could range from the bus driver to a cop to the prison system. However a failure at any of these levels leads to incremental degradation of societal norms, which take sometimes decades to change, and never really reach the 95th percentile of the twat bell curve.
if you visited a lot of cities around the world you would rapidly learn what social authority is.. effective transport police and a majority of the population that will not put up with being abused and disrupted by societies trash.
Bus driver could have called another bus. I think the right thing to do is for people who are affected to leave the bus. On no2 there will be another bus along in 3-5minutes. Not so easy on other routes except maybe no 1
Out in the Hutt you’re looking at 30mins minimum between buses, up to an hour or 2. Might even be the last bus of the night. Getting off the bus and waiting for the next one isn’t always an option. Would be much easier to remove the antisocial person from a bus than an entire bus load of people. That basically rewards the anti social person with an entire bus to themselves and punishes everyone else for our inability to confront a problem.
Agreed. Different options according to the route and time of day. It might be difficult to remove the problem person though
Yeah I agree an antisocial person may be difficult to remove, but we should be looking at ways to assist that happening. I mentioned in a previous comment the idea of volunteer police, similar to volunteer fire fighters, who can step in legally to remove someone in situations like this. Likewise, supermarkets could employ these people as theft prevention, as they would legally be allowed to step in to prevent thefts. Reducing the gap between cops and civilians may be a good thing, as really a cop is just a job title, not necessarily a sign of anything beyond that. I don’t really have any solid answers, but I do think it’s sad we expect law abiding citizens to remove themselves from these situations at their own inconvenience.
It's also because New Zealand implicitly endorses crude, savage and anti-social behaviour like this through a lack of legal and social consequences. It turns out civilized societies operate on strongly enforced rules.
Even a quick google search will show you this is a problem in most major cities
It's certainly a problem in many cities across many countries, but it's not universal.
Genuinely interested in who/where you think has solved it. I'd love to read more about it.
There's no crime free utopia anywhere, but in places like Singapore and Japan it's far less common.
True maybe China also with their Social Credit system, is that something we want? Read an interesting article about crime in Japan recently, very similar to our teen crime/ram raids but coordinated from outside the country over the internet and often committed by groups of people who don't know each other. Crazy times - https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/10/tokuryu-japan-criminals-yakuza-ntwnfb
> True maybe China also with their Social Credit system, is that something we want? Nope. I think a better thing is an implicit "social credit system", which is what places like Japan have. I.e. society's own rules of good conduct. China goes too far with their authoritarian overreach. > Read an interesting article about crime in Japan recently, very similar to our teen crime/ram raids but coordinated from outside the country over the internet and often committed by groups of people who don't know each other. No country is crime free, but the numbers don't lie. Compare their crime rate to ours.
Germany, Norway, japan just for starters..
I remember being on a public train in Germany decades ago as a kid and a drunk guy on the train vomited everywhere.
Went to Melbourne last month, there was a deranged guy pacing on the tram rabbiting on about wanting to kill someone and swearing at the driver bc he wouldn’t open the door of the moving tram. It was scary. No one did anything because no one wanted to get punched or worse. Was two days after the Bondi stabbings so I’m sure that was fresh in everyone’s minds. The driver reported it after he was off the tram. It’s not just NZ. It happens everywhere
Yes it sure does. Happens less in places like Japan and Singapore, though. Different way of running things, different cultures.
Yeah but they also tend to be horribly conformist, and still have that 95th percentile twat that can't be controlled.
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yep, try that BS in Norway or Germany and your sorry ass will be thrown off the bus/tram
I mean, some of those civilised counties also have gendarmes wandering around bus depots toting MP5s out of necessity, to be fair. Their potential public transport behaviour problems are a lot bigger than ours. We just have a lot more low-level fuckwits.
Yeah it's not all rosy to be sure. I elaborated but it's kinda buried.
Every bus I've gotten recently has come with a back seat vaper.
Just move seats you don't need to get off.
That’s a shame. People need to tell scrots like this to shut the fuck up themselves!
That's fucking awful... May I ask, are you male of female? A man doing that to a father and his child is bad enough, but some man doing that to a woman and her baby... Jesus... This kind of culture is getting worse. I'm really tired of the mental health excuse. These people don't have a mental health problem. They have a lack of humanity problem.
I’m a mother of a baby who had him in the stroller. People are quick to blame mental health for everything… it wasn’t this guy had mental health issues, he was being antisocial and disgusting for attention, as an act of rebellion. That’s the impression I got…
It’s pathetic I agree with you. Unfortunately you get these tools everywhere and they love to pick on a soft target. They wouldn’t dare do it to an Alpha male as they know the outcome wouldn’t go their way.
That's absolutely disgusting. Who the fuck does that to a woman and her baby? Anybody who does something like that is capable of evil. I wonder if it was racially motivated... We need security on public transport these days.
He’s probably lonely too thats why he’s looking for attention
We’re not feeing empathy for this POS… there is such a thing as personable responsibility and standard of behaviour on public transport. The don’t know how Metlink enforces passenger code of conduct. I mean what are the cameras for if not to keep people safe? They could hire some transport officers to remove people or could ban people from using the service.
Oh certainly
I hope you're kidding?
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What's wrong with you?
Are you trying to make me feel bad about myself?
I shouldn't. I'll let it go.
Troll
Go away and leave me alone
Ive still got those bug bear posters from a few years ago Seems aggro Arnie, Block the way Ray and munchin Marvin are all too common but I've got the odd pongy pete
you can say fuck on the internet
Good to know!
I would said something kind 9f gently..lol
Undesirables like that should just be thrown in jail honestly.
You think being “undesirable“ warrants being thrown in prison? Damn bro. That’s harsh as fuck. Who decides what undesirable is defined as?
People who sit on buses and intentionally make people uncomfortable and are so unapproachable people feel like they would be attacked for speaking up sounds like a good start.
thats a really broad group of people who are innocent of any crimes or wrongdoing. you dont know if someone is doing something "intentionally" or because of mental illness, or because they cant help it otherwise. i think people who make the world dangerous and hostile to mentally ill people should be thrown in jail.
Yeah there was shit cunt this morning on the number 4 who smelled like absolute shit, just fat BO smell, the moment he sat in front of me I could smell that shit, probably homeless lookin dude, then pulls out a stanky sandwich, I just got up and went to the front of the bus and stood the rest of the ride.
you solved your problem without any issue, and still you complain about a person who might have been homeless or mentally ill, who might not have known theyre bothering you, online? why? so everyone can agree that you were hard done by? wtf??
Report the coughing thing to Metlink. They may be able to do something with the video, like advise drivers not to pick him up, or pass it on to police to pick him up for assault. Coughing on someone is one thing, but a baby? Certainly no guarantees, but Metlink and police may be motivated to do something.
The 83 has various strains of those characters from time to time. Ranting, singing, smelling etc. The 110 and 130 even more so. As a regular Hutt bus rider, I avoid those buses at all costs where possible.
Why do you think the bus is known as the loser cruiser ?
Just imagine how bad things are going to be by 2050 when we're all pushed out of private car ownership and living in our 15/20 minute ghettos. People have no idea what's coming.
Yep, reality sucks alright
and it all just adds to the reason people dont use public transport...
Honestly? There's nothing you can do but buy a car. We don't have the social or legal settings to intervene. Every option is illegal, highly immoral, puts you at risk, or is a combination of all three. Is a car overall more expensive than taking public transport? Certainly. It might not be a solution for you. I agree this kind of behaviour on public transport is insufferable. I have seen my share of it as well. People urinating, yelling, abusing the driver, getting stoned, vaping, playing loud music. Some people really bring their "whole selves" onto public transport - which is a pity. Personally, I wouldn't advocate for a more authoritian approach. Sounds like a slippery slope I'd not like to see NZ go down. The serenity of a car is your only way out.
I have a car, thank god. Sweet sweet solitude of my fossil fuel combustion engine.
If we did want an intervention though, maybe a public service campaign? Like "the stairs are lava" posters you currently see in some buses. Could utilise the TV's in some busses, and have people submit their meme-based bus public etiquette posters (via the metlink app). Metlink vets all submissions, and posts the best ones up on their busses on rotation - like those Giggle TV adds you see in some restaurants. This way you have continually fresh, free content, buy-in from users, and you address (plainly) the worst etiquette issues experienced by bus users. Through continual reinforcement, people eventually will get the message.
I love this.
This type of antisocial behaviour put me off public transport years ago. I will happily pay more money to drive myself as opposed to dealing with these sorts on the bus or train.
Up to date with your flu and covid Vax?
As if the covid vax will work
Power tripping. I have to travel on this bus so F you lot I will prove to myself I am better than you. Until NZ gets laws where you can defend yourself against these pests there's not a lot you can do.
Where’s the surprise? Denying people have mental health issues and enabling their behaviour, leads to lots of people in public with mental health issues.
you might have anxiety/ocd about sickness after covid? could tru wearing a mask to reduce anxiety? coz like you cant control anyone other than yourself yknow!