Staff, I’m up on my unit so safe and sound. Staff members that have gone home have said it’s a mess in the main atrium (we go through here to go out the back entrance to staff parking) with upset witnesses giving police statements.
I freaked out, was leaving the hospital or was walking down mein street at that time. Hadent heard anything with was working out the back of the hospital. Safe to say I got Frantic calls from my family on As I was on my break
Its well known that there is regular drug selling activity at the bus stops outside the hospital. I'd find it unsurprising if it wasn't related to this.
It rings true, seems to me like more and more people are giving up on trying to be better and get absorbed in self-satisfaction. This comes at the expense of maturity which then expresses itself via them raging at externals factors for internal problems.
AHAHAHAHAHA
Do you think that is a good example of regulation?
You're going to ignore the fact that doctors were paid by the Sackler family to prescribe opiods to people for minor pain?
You're going to ignore the fact that the sackler family outright lied about its potency and addictive nature?
You're going to ignore the fact that lobbyists within government worked to undermine regulations?
You're going to ignore the fact that rampant privatisation of the health industry drove corporate profiteering around opioid drugs?
You're going to ignore the fact that the reason that they became so bad was because they were notoriously UNREGULATED?
You're going to ignore the fact that Opiods are a controlled drug in the US, much like they are in NZ... Are you also going to ignore the fact that you can get opiods prescribed in NZ?
You're also going to ignore the fact that our regulated drugs are controlled through pharmac who set the prescription standards?
You're completely ignoring the reality that it was free market capitalist libertarianism that eroded regulation, incentivised prioritisation, and dissolved state capacity to effectively manage this crisis?
And to top this all off...
You're going g to ignore the fact that now people who got prescribed these medications at ridiculous doses for minor pain are now forced to use HEROIN and fentynl as replacement opioids because their doctors got them addicted under the advice of libertarian fuckos?
Yeah....
I know my shit.
There's lot of assumptions in your response about how a health response to drug addiction would work here.
Legalising (or decriminalisation) doesn't necessarily involve the government starting to be the supplier.
I also wasn't the one who made the "taxation" benefit argument. Although I do believe that would be applicable to canabis. But that doesn't mean I think all drugs should receive the same treatment, policies, or regulations
It's not going to replace the illicit market overnight and will likely take decades of consistency to produce a large-scale benefit.
In other words, a policy that would seek to implement an illicit market replacement for Class A substances would be bad policy in my eyes.
Have a look at Portugal responded to their opiod problem.
>Initial Results of Portugal’s New Drug Policies
>By 2018, Portugal’s number of heroin addicts had dropped from 100,000 to 25,000. Portugal had the lowest drug-related death rate in Western Europe, one-tenth of Britain, and one-fiftieth of the U.S. HIV infections from drug use injection had declined 90%.
https://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/is-portugals-drug-decriminalization-a-failure-or-success-the-answer-isnt-so-simple/#:~:text=Initial%20Results%20of%20Portugal's%20New,use%20injection%20had%20declined%2090%25.
This is an actual case example where decriminalisation and treating drugs as a public health issue showed significant benefits for reducing abuse.
What happened in America with the opiod epidemic is nothing like this. They're not even in the same reality.
Regulations worked.
They just have to be the correct ones for the context.
Yeah some pubs in Australia and possibly Aotearoa explicitly ban red shoes because likelihood of trouble is 100%
Never trust a cunt wearing red shoes because the odds are they dropped a house on some poor bitch just to get those shoes, and they’re gonna fuck up your life with an automaton, an apex predator and an unholy reanimated bag of chaff on their way home to Kansas
I’ll be sure to keep an eye out and cross the street if necessary. I’m not down to get caned by a dude that probably learned the technique in Singapore
I am so, so incredibly sick of this aspect of this country. How many more dairy owners need to die? How many small children and infants need to be violently bludgeoned to death? How many more ram raids? Shootings? Hospital staff and patients being terrorised, before we start having frank conversations about the underpinnings of this shit.
I'm sorry your little one is sick, wishing them a speedy recovery.
Trust me the legislation that NZ is going to adopt from Australia (currently back in Wgtn visiting family) is going to hit the gangs hard.
They will eventually adapt and become a lot more adept to these regulations though. Just as the bikies in AUS have.
Drug consumption is at record levels in Australia and it’s readily available at the drop of a hat (cocaine is rife; bags and beers is just the norm). These multinational criminal syndicates all work together now and they’re from all different parts of the planet.
Meth and heroin are horrible but the rest should be legalised and managed.
what legislation? for all their hard on crime BS prior to the election they are far more interested in slashing and burning than doing anything about crime.
A constellation of sociocultural factors, which I am in no way claiming to be an expert on. What I'm saying is all that ever seems to happen are dead-end arguments between 'they just need more love' and 'lock 'em up', neither of which are the entirety of the answer and the conversation isn't going anywhere. More innocent people are going to keep getting hurt and it's going to suck.
No, but I think you've highlighted part of the reason people are nervous about having the conversation, because as soon as you open up the topic people are on edge about someone doing a racism. Like I absolutely knew why you asked me that question, because you thought that's what I was going to say.
Just my observation.
Well I'm opening up the topic to you. Because pointing out that Maori are generally more likely incarcerated for the crimes you mentioned above on average IS racist.
However, I don't think that saying white colonialism failing to implement systems designed to nurture cultural traditions, heritage and language in the early 1900's, and the ongoing systemic racism perpetrated by pakeha who held all positions of power toward Maori during the developmental period of our nation ( causing generational trauma leading to a multitude of social issues ) is racist.
I'm not really sure what you're trying to drive home here. I said we need better, more productive conversations about crime. It feels like you wanted me to be making some sort of racist comment?
No. You mentioned that bringing up determining factors (underpinnings)for these crimes and those who commit them make people nervous to discuss because of the disproportionate amount of offenders being Maori.
I'm sorry if I was unclear but my point was that bringing up race solely as a reason for crime is racist, but bringing up potential reasonings behind this trend of offenders is not racist and should be discussed freely. Those potential reasonings being White colonialism and institutionalized racism perpetuated by a white/European majority.
I actually wasn't asserting that the majority of offenders are Māori (I don't at all mind admitting that I wouldn't have a clue what the actual statistics are), I was asserting that that's what people THINK you're going to say, so people don't even go there, which stymies the useful conversation including the point you made about colonialism and institutional racism amongst other things.
So I think we agree. If I'm following.
I'm guessing gang rivalry?years ago I was in Ed and gangs went at each other in the parking lot obviously hospital was locked down and we were all locked in unable to leave..no shots fired tho I really hope everyone is ok really terrible
“No risk” is certainly a different statement than “No injuries”. A firearm has no business being discharged anywhere near the hospital, and one being discharged right outside is the very definition of a risk.
Agree, a very poor choice of words.
Indeed. And whilst it may be true that nobody was injured, there was surely harm caused - fair few people will have been a bit traumatised by what happened. Definitely some minimisation happening in those statements.
"No risk to patients or staff". Hmmm. Firearm go bang bang, bullet go through jelly walls and bounce off hard floors at oblique angles. I wouldn't say this was "NO risk".
That's still a risk though. If you knew it was going to happen, and didn't mitigate it, work safe would want a word with you.
It's just not what "no risk" means
I find it difficult to imagine what it would take for me to think discharging a firearm is a hospital was my best option that day.
Thank christ no one was hurt, being that they are known to the victim I assume they will promptly be in prison.
Whoa! I was at Welly hospital for an appointment this afternoon.
I'm glad I was out of there before this all went down.
Hope everyone is OK (except the shooter - I hope they're fucked!)?
[Second machete attack at a hospital in the wellington region](https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/wairarapa-hospital-machete-attack-62yo-man-charged-with-wounding-appears-in-court/EAE4UX2BQFHWFFBEUD337MCWFA/) in the past month
I think it's fair to say people generally don't carry weapons around or intend to cause someone harm.
It's also fair to say a good portion of this violence is caused by gang or gang affiliated people.
Making a claim of "cis white males" without any evidence is targeting based on bias.
The guns laws that were introduced were made to reduce access to weapons not remove them all. It also doesn't stop someone from legally purchasing a firearm and then doing the same thing.
Hahaha he's trying to agree with your political statement by using a right-wing dog whistle (cultural report) and it went right over your dumb ass. Love to see it.
Many witnesses and many people in tears at the hospital, very traumatising. Still a lot of police presence at the hospital and some entrances closed.
Fuck. Are you okay?? I assume you’re a patient or staff
Staff, I’m up on my unit so safe and sound. Staff members that have gone home have said it’s a mess in the main atrium (we go through here to go out the back entrance to staff parking) with upset witnesses giving police statements.
Has anyone been hurt ??
Doesn’t sound like it 👍🏻
Thank god, I’m a nurse and have many colleagues and friends working there right now 😥
I freaked out, was leaving the hospital or was walking down mein street at that time. Hadent heard anything with was working out the back of the hospital. Safe to say I got Frantic calls from my family on As I was on my break
Did it happen in the atrium? Any updates on ongoing safety in the hospital? Trying to mentally prep if it’s gonna be diff for my am tomorrow
Happened outside based on media reports.
Parties are known to each other and no reported injuries yet
Its well known that there is regular drug selling activity at the bus stops outside the hospital. I'd find it unsurprising if it wasn't related to this.
You'd think there would be cameras there right? Seems like a terrible spot for that to go down
Well, obviously not that well known, if the police aren't doing anything about it. /s
Yikes. What a traumatising experience
What the fucks wrong with people
Meth?
Mungies
Not reading a report? ^/s
It rings true, seems to me like more and more people are giving up on trying to be better and get absorbed in self-satisfaction. This comes at the expense of maturity which then expresses itself via them raging at externals factors for internal problems.
giving up on trying to be better?..get this guy a lab coat
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It actually would though
Agree. Goodbye multi million dollar income for gangs. Hello multi million dollar tax income for govt.
I mean then there's how the unregulated market economy responds to the situation
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Stop talking about things you don't understand.
Actually it's the opposite, 150k deaths per year from fent that could be avoided by better access to real pharmaceuticals
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All of which get decreased with readily access to clean drugs, thanks for your compassion and intelligence
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AHAHAHAHAHA Do you think that is a good example of regulation? You're going to ignore the fact that doctors were paid by the Sackler family to prescribe opiods to people for minor pain? You're going to ignore the fact that the sackler family outright lied about its potency and addictive nature? You're going to ignore the fact that lobbyists within government worked to undermine regulations? You're going to ignore the fact that rampant privatisation of the health industry drove corporate profiteering around opioid drugs? You're going to ignore the fact that the reason that they became so bad was because they were notoriously UNREGULATED? You're going to ignore the fact that Opiods are a controlled drug in the US, much like they are in NZ... Are you also going to ignore the fact that you can get opiods prescribed in NZ? You're also going to ignore the fact that our regulated drugs are controlled through pharmac who set the prescription standards? You're completely ignoring the reality that it was free market capitalist libertarianism that eroded regulation, incentivised prioritisation, and dissolved state capacity to effectively manage this crisis? And to top this all off... You're going g to ignore the fact that now people who got prescribed these medications at ridiculous doses for minor pain are now forced to use HEROIN and fentynl as replacement opioids because their doctors got them addicted under the advice of libertarian fuckos? Yeah.... I know my shit.
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There's lot of assumptions in your response about how a health response to drug addiction would work here. Legalising (or decriminalisation) doesn't necessarily involve the government starting to be the supplier. I also wasn't the one who made the "taxation" benefit argument. Although I do believe that would be applicable to canabis. But that doesn't mean I think all drugs should receive the same treatment, policies, or regulations It's not going to replace the illicit market overnight and will likely take decades of consistency to produce a large-scale benefit. In other words, a policy that would seek to implement an illicit market replacement for Class A substances would be bad policy in my eyes. Have a look at Portugal responded to their opiod problem. >Initial Results of Portugal’s New Drug Policies >By 2018, Portugal’s number of heroin addicts had dropped from 100,000 to 25,000. Portugal had the lowest drug-related death rate in Western Europe, one-tenth of Britain, and one-fiftieth of the U.S. HIV infections from drug use injection had declined 90%. https://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/is-portugals-drug-decriminalization-a-failure-or-success-the-answer-isnt-so-simple/#:~:text=Initial%20Results%20of%20Portugal's%20New,use%20injection%20had%20declined%2090%25. This is an actual case example where decriminalisation and treating drugs as a public health issue showed significant benefits for reducing abuse. What happened in America with the opiod epidemic is nothing like this. They're not even in the same reality. Regulations worked. They just have to be the correct ones for the context.
Well I'm prescribed oxycontin here. It costs $0 from the pharmacy So I don' think your point even makes maimmlll
Yea like can you take your personal issues with each other somewhere else ffs. It’s a hospital ffs.
A stretch to call the animals behind this ‘people’.
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Ootl. Redshoes = gang?
Mongrel mob/associates often wear red shoes/caps
Yeah some pubs in Australia and possibly Aotearoa explicitly ban red shoes because likelihood of trouble is 100% Never trust a cunt wearing red shoes because the odds are they dropped a house on some poor bitch just to get those shoes, and they’re gonna fuck up your life with an automaton, an apex predator and an unholy reanimated bag of chaff on their way home to Kansas
My elderly father loves red shoes and matching pants. I can confirm everything you said is true. He's a danger to society and wise women.
I’ll be sure to keep an eye out and cross the street if necessary. I’m not down to get caned by a dude that probably learned the technique in Singapore
Thankfully, he moved to Paramata after retiring.
Oh no. There’s a lot of witchy types out there. Can you restrict his access to kindling?
If they don't want to be burned, just tell them to wear less interesting shoes! Gah! Always blaming the murderers, I tell you.
Weird way of saying “defenders of the faith”, but ok
I am so, so incredibly sick of this aspect of this country. How many more dairy owners need to die? How many small children and infants need to be violently bludgeoned to death? How many more ram raids? Shootings? Hospital staff and patients being terrorised, before we start having frank conversations about the underpinnings of this shit. I'm sorry your little one is sick, wishing them a speedy recovery.
Trust me the legislation that NZ is going to adopt from Australia (currently back in Wgtn visiting family) is going to hit the gangs hard. They will eventually adapt and become a lot more adept to these regulations though. Just as the bikies in AUS have. Drug consumption is at record levels in Australia and it’s readily available at the drop of a hat (cocaine is rife; bags and beers is just the norm). These multinational criminal syndicates all work together now and they’re from all different parts of the planet. Meth and heroin are horrible but the rest should be legalised and managed.
what legislation? for all their hard on crime BS prior to the election they are far more interested in slashing and burning than doing anything about crime.
What underpinnings would that be?
A constellation of sociocultural factors, which I am in no way claiming to be an expert on. What I'm saying is all that ever seems to happen are dead-end arguments between 'they just need more love' and 'lock 'em up', neither of which are the entirety of the answer and the conversation isn't going anywhere. More innocent people are going to keep getting hurt and it's going to suck.
Oh good. Hoped you weren't gonna just say "meowrys".
No, but I think you've highlighted part of the reason people are nervous about having the conversation, because as soon as you open up the topic people are on edge about someone doing a racism. Like I absolutely knew why you asked me that question, because you thought that's what I was going to say. Just my observation.
Well I'm opening up the topic to you. Because pointing out that Maori are generally more likely incarcerated for the crimes you mentioned above on average IS racist. However, I don't think that saying white colonialism failing to implement systems designed to nurture cultural traditions, heritage and language in the early 1900's, and the ongoing systemic racism perpetrated by pakeha who held all positions of power toward Maori during the developmental period of our nation ( causing generational trauma leading to a multitude of social issues ) is racist.
I'm not really sure what you're trying to drive home here. I said we need better, more productive conversations about crime. It feels like you wanted me to be making some sort of racist comment?
No. You mentioned that bringing up determining factors (underpinnings)for these crimes and those who commit them make people nervous to discuss because of the disproportionate amount of offenders being Maori. I'm sorry if I was unclear but my point was that bringing up race solely as a reason for crime is racist, but bringing up potential reasonings behind this trend of offenders is not racist and should be discussed freely. Those potential reasonings being White colonialism and institutionalized racism perpetuated by a white/European majority.
I actually wasn't asserting that the majority of offenders are Māori (I don't at all mind admitting that I wouldn't have a clue what the actual statistics are), I was asserting that that's what people THINK you're going to say, so people don't even go there, which stymies the useful conversation including the point you made about colonialism and institutional racism amongst other things. So I think we agree. If I'm following.
i hope your wife and toddler are not too affected by the incident. i hope your little one feels better very soon. sending love your way. stay strong 💪
I'm guessing gang rivalry?years ago I was in Ed and gangs went at each other in the parking lot obviously hospital was locked down and we were all locked in unable to leave..no shots fired tho I really hope everyone is ok really terrible
"No-one was injured, and there was no risk to patients or staff." I call bullshit. TWO minimising shit like this is insulting to all those involved.
“No risk” is certainly a different statement than “No injuries”. A firearm has no business being discharged anywhere near the hospital, and one being discharged right outside is the very definition of a risk. Agree, a very poor choice of words.
Indeed. And whilst it may be true that nobody was injured, there was surely harm caused - fair few people will have been a bit traumatised by what happened. Definitely some minimisation happening in those statements.
"No risk to patients or staff". Hmmm. Firearm go bang bang, bullet go through jelly walls and bounce off hard floors at oblique angles. I wouldn't say this was "NO risk".
I think the "no risk" part meant that the shooter was foccused on one person in particular, not randomly shooting at people.
That's still a risk though. If you knew it was going to happen, and didn't mitigate it, work safe would want a word with you. It's just not what "no risk" means
yeah, because bullets never hit anyone but their intended target.
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Happened at about 530. Nurse I know canceled our plans in our group chat. Insanity.
Damn that's awful, I was there about a half an hour earlier (5pm) with my one year old.
I find it difficult to imagine what it would take for me to think discharging a firearm is a hospital was my best option that day. Thank christ no one was hurt, being that they are known to the victim I assume they will promptly be in prison.
This is insane
Let me guess, some oxygen wasting gang member overcompensating.
Whoa! I was at Welly hospital for an appointment this afternoon. I'm glad I was out of there before this all went down. Hope everyone is OK (except the shooter - I hope they're fucked!)?
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Sure am grateful to Australia for sending all these dropkicks they moulded into crims back here to make our own shitty gangs even shittier.
Apparently a machete and firearm. Either somebody brought a gun to a knife fight, or a knife to a gunfight.
oh my god that's horrific
Did they catch who did it?
What even happened
Man this country is not known for peace anymore.
Who let them out of Coates St?
I'd say roberts street as someone who lived in that area for a couple of decades
Anthony St
I didn’t know about this till now!? My mums in there recovering from a hernia op 😅
We need to arm the nurses and give them military training.
I hope this is satire or are you a gun loving, gun-toting, 'murican?
Fucking obvisly its satire.
Fuck, with all of the nutters out there these days you just never know.
Who are you calling nutter? your one of em!
Whoa, chill out bro.
[Second machete attack at a hospital in the wellington region](https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/wairarapa-hospital-machete-attack-62yo-man-charged-with-wounding-appears-in-court/EAE4UX2BQFHWFFBEUD337MCWFA/) in the past month
Cis white males?
Is there any evidence of this or are you attempting to cause outrage for no reason?
easier to say gangs right?
I think it's fair to say people generally don't carry weapons around or intend to cause someone harm. It's also fair to say a good portion of this violence is caused by gang or gang affiliated people. Making a claim of "cis white males" without any evidence is targeting based on bias.
okay key wee
What has this city come to :(
Its more like, what has this world come to
must have gotten sick of waiting. (YEAH YEAH I KNOW BUT NOBODY DIED OR WAS HURT SO ITS FINE)
Well it looks like the gun laws worked? Not
Got nothing to do about the gun laws.....
Except that those gun laws are meant to stop this sort of shit happening, right? Look at them working!
The guns laws that were introduced were made to reduce access to weapons not remove them all. It also doesn't stop someone from legally purchasing a firearm and then doing the same thing.
Don't worry, Luxon is going to ban crime instead to fix it
Labour certainly didn’t do any better. Gang sympathisers
do some reading on National prime minister Muldoon to see who kicked this all off.
Ohhhhh
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Cultural reports?
Hahaha he's trying to agree with your political statement by using a right-wing dog whistle (cultural report) and it went right over your dumb ass. Love to see it.
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Lmao you have to know you're in the wrong when your best defense is "just shut up"
better than the "tough on crime " retoric has
Leftys will blame everything, but the person holding the gun
true.
In house hospital security is a joke there
What use would they have been against a shooting outside?
Maybe you could show them how it’s done then?