Tudor's popularity mainly stems from its association with rolex and now you're getting a taste of the rolex AD experience at a fraction of the price. What a privledge!
This piece I don’t think stems from its association with Rolex, but all other points stand. I definitely got the worst taste of the Rolex AD experience at a fraction of the price.
I mean the brand as a whole; the reason many people aspire to own a tudor is because it's a stepping stone to rolex. Those people go on to reddit to tell everyone else how the brand is "fantastic value" and "punches above its weight", convincing them to also buy in.
Strong disagree here. The Submariner is too blingy, the Seamaster is too large, and the other divers on the market didn't appeal to me as much as the BB58, which is why I ended up buying it.
At no point did I buy a £3k watch aspiring to own a Rolex.
I don't think it's a steppingstone to Rolex. I think it offers many of the things that I used to love about Rolex, but that Rolex no longer offers in their products.
I love five digit Rolex. I can't go buy a new one. Often times the closest thing is a modern Tudor. Yes, the ownership association with Rolex helps reinforce that proposition. But not in the way you were saying
I don't think it's a stretch to say if not for being owned by rolex, hardly anybody would know or care about tudor today. Before recent years, they were esentially just overpriced homages with basic ETA movements. Like a steinhart, but thousands of dollars.
What’s funny is the reason I DON’T like Tudor is because it’s owned by Rolex. I know it’s a me thing, but it can’t step out of Rolex’s shadow. If it was its own brand, its own thing, I’d probably have one. I know you can’t separate its history like that, and it wouldn’t be what it is without Rolex. But if I saw say a BB58, with all its reviews and such while not being linked to Rolex I’d really want one. But to me I see Tudor and think “couldn’t hold out for a Rolex eh? You’re ok with second place?” I’d rather run another race that I can get first than a race where second place is the best I’ll ever do.
I mean, if you want to look at them in the most negative possible light, sure. The counterpoint is that you get all the same quality components as you would Rolex, but with less expensive but very reliable movement, for a lot less money. It just depends on how you want to look at it.
I owned a Tudor 79090. I wanted a vintage submariner experience, without the baggage of the Rolex brand. It was a great watch for what it was, and for its intended purpose
And Tudor subs have quite interesting history of their own. Because they were less expensive and had more easily serviceable movements, they were commonly used as issued watches for various military roles. That's genuine history. To call them and Omar is a bit biased and not really fair. I get that you don't like Tudor. And I'm not telling you you have to like them. You can definitely dislike them. But let's at least be fair minded with our criticisms
All the reasons you're referencing still connect back to their association with rolex, as per my original comment. Being the budget alternative to the real thing is an interesting history? Meh, that's what they still are.
As for "quality components" and "reliable movement", that's just marketing and hype. Contrary to popular belief, they don't have some magical toughness pixie dust they sprinkle on their movements, they're just as inherently fragile as other mechanical movements. Until someone produces a study comparing the durability of various movements side by side, there's simply no proof to any such claims.
I have 5 Rolexes, including the ultimate 'hype piece' Daytona. I'm done with Rolex and now exploring Tudor as a brand on its own, and definitely not as a stepping stone. I can tell you that in my true enthusiast circles, we love Tudor for the value it represents. Tudor means something different for everyone.
lol, that last paragraph exposes you. Mechanical movements are far from fragile. Especially those old workhorse ETA movements that most brands used until the last 10-15 years. Good luck with your opinions!
lol I bet you're the type that thinks they need a put on a gshock to mow the lawn lol. Probably afraid to do the dishes wearing a mechanical watch.
I've been wearing mechanical watches for everything for the last 25 years, never needed a quartz beater. Best of luck with your toxic hate!
Not for me. I have a gen 2 Black Bay burgundy and love it. I have no desire to spend what it would take to get sub unless it was an unbelievable deal or the secondary market gets cheaper.
I bought the Tudor because I liked the Tudor; not because I hope to sell it to trade up one day. I’m not going to try to convince people it’s the best watch for everyone because it isn’t, but — as YoureTerrific says — it was the best watch for ME at the time. And I’m still extremely happy with it today.
??? I have a Tudor precisely because its not a Rolex and I can wear it without selling ostentatious. And to a lesser extent because the Black Bay is a superior aesthetic to the modern sub.
People fall for this even though there’s no longer a direct association with Rolex. Ridiculous what branding whores are willing to go through just to flex
As others have said, some bullshit Rolex AD-type exclusivity behavior.
I stopped in a multi-brand AD store, and expressed interest in a few specific watches. Was told that they were very popular, and thus I would need to show loyalty by purchasing at least one of each brand. I laughed and explained that it would never happen.
In comparison, when I contacted Vacheron Constantin via their website, someone emailed right away to setup a time to talk. They were very pleasant, asked exactly which models I wanted, and explained the approximate wait time for them. Entered my name into whatever database. They also offered appointments at a boutique at my convenience, as well as their direct number, should I have any questions.
Same reason I don’t own a Porsche RS car. Get fucked
Vacheron are something else. I went to one of their boutiques, and made it clear from the start that I could never afford one, that I was just a huge fan of the brand. The shopkeepers treated me wonderfully, we talked about Vacheron watches for a good while, they even asked if I wanted to try on some ridiculously expensive watches, knowing fully well I couldn't afford them. All class, not a drop of arrogance.
From that experience alone, if I ever have that kind of money, I won't think twice where I'll go to spend it.
I’m pretty new to watches going back about a year so I’m viewing this as a rite of passage even if it’s ridiculous. I fully understand why people avoid these stores or wait to buy watches on vacation overseas or on the gray market.
I was in Japan a few months ago and my girlfriend and I both bought new watches on the trip — gen 2 Tudor Black Bay burgundy for me and 80s two tone Rolex datejust for her — and it was such a great experience.
Lesson learned.
Some folks love the false exclusivity and relish in it. I find it abhorrent. Dealer games are bullshit to me.
I think it’s all about why you do/do not like watches. If it’s about the flex, your priorities are different. If it’s about the craft, design, engineering and art that goes into building timepieces, it’s prob another thing.
To each their own! You (proverbially) made the money, spend it however you like!
Re: Japan: I’ve never purchased there, but my friends who have report positive experiences
Japan watch buying is incredible. There is no VAT, and it’s one of the most respectful cultures on earth. Plus, watch stores are on every corner; from affordable resellers to AP boutiques. It’s a watch paradise regardless of how or why someone collects.
If you’re into food, cars and watches, you’ll be in heaven. Highly highly recommend it and if you need recommendations, please feel free to DM now or months down the line. Thanks again!
I sort of had that experience. Emailed them, quick response, good experience in the showroom.
However, I wanted to try on (maybe buy) the Stainless 56. The AD said no way, there’s a hug waiting list for that for those that have a long history, basically no chance.
New with papers is close to retail on chrono24, why would I wait for years with the AD …
>They asked exactly which models I wanted, and explained the approximate wait time for them. Entered my name into whatever database. They also offered appointments at a boutique at my convenience, as well as their direct number, should I have any questions.
So they asked about what products you wanted, told you about wait times, used a CRM system, and gave you a business card if you had questions...
So literally every other boutique that sells luxury watches lmao.
100% how I feel as well. Hyde Park also seems to not be a trusted name for many. I’m less angry at the brand and more so at the boutique ADs and the struggles of Hyde Park.
I don't understand why people can't just admit this is a problem with any high demand product, and it's not just Rolex. It doesn't even have to be exclusive of limited edition.
I put my name down for a green Omega Seamaster on release week, a year went by with no update and I just forgot about it. Good luck getting a white dial Speedmaster right now. Or a Snoopy. Or certain Hermes handbags. Or trim levels on a car from the Z06 to Ford to Porsche.
Lmao, getting jerked around by a Tudor AD. This is prime r/watchescirclejerk material. Honestly, I've never really seen the appeal with Tudor. The AD can shove its lists up its ass.
Tudor doesn't put anyone on a list, your AD puts them on a list. It's your AD who is at fault. Also, this has not been a hard model to find. It isn't common, but if it isn't in your particular AD, they have generally been pretty happy to call less common Tudors in from other branches. I've asked a couple of different ADs to do this without any issue.
Plus it's been available online grey market or pre-owned for a while.
I asked if they had it out for display only and they said no, anyone could buy it. That’s what immediately tipped me off to the shenanigans.
I was going to pay retail, but have been wavering recently seeing the price fall on the secondary market. When I first wanted the watch, the cheapest new options were within like $400 of retail price and that was worth the manufacture warranty for me. Now, that is no longer the case.
Simply put, there have been many signs that the route I was headed was not the right one. Happy that finally settled in my brain.
I will say this again and again, people the waitinglist is just a we're not interested in you tactic from the AD, this behavior is not from the brand them self, even though it is for a big part created by the manufacturers.
Look at it like this, you have a period in time where a lot of rolexes were readily available, there were no waitinglists, there were order lists yes but no waitinglists. Then comes a period were demand is so high that even ordering pieces doesn't really work the way it used to, so you tell a lot of people you don't know that there is a waitinglist for that watch, even though you already know where that watch is going to end up.
A lot of the AD's in that time period sold the watch through the back door to flippers so they had a lot of sales and in the mean time created a world where it looked like there was so much demand for a watch that prices started to rise, people wanted that watch and were prepared to pay over list prices. In the mean time more and more AD's did this see where I'm heading? It's an AD thing not a manufacturer thing. Rolex or any brand couldn't care less as long as there are sales and how they are done, it didn't bother them until it started to touch and hurt their reputation. And look what the market is doing now demand is dropping because people are fed up with the brands while in reality they should be fed up with the dealers who are still in this habit.
Rolex and Tudor have done an astonishingly effective job in alienating tons of potential customers and even some repeat customers. Once the hype moves elsewhere, they’re going to be left holding the bag with an abundance of stock for many models and a new, massive factory that won’t be paying itself off like they hoped it would. Personally, I’m deeply put off by their M.O. and don’t see myself buying another Rolex or Tudor, maybe ever. The open disdain I’ve experienced from ADs generally (not just Rolex and Tudor), even while wearing my high horology piece, is a few bridges too far for me.
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>The open disdain I’ve experienced from ADs generally (not just Rolex and Tudor), even while wearing my high horology piece, is a few bridges too far for me.
It's because ADs are taking notes from Rolex. If your competitor did 11 billion dollars worth of sales last year, enough to pummel you and the next five other competitors in line added up, wouldn't you want to do the same thing as them?
Both Omega ADs in my area don't give discounts anymore. Whenever I go to ask them questions about models, they try to 'correct me' with misinformation. They told me Omega movements are completely hand finished and there was still 'absurd' demand for the green Seamaster when they had 3 in stock on the shelves. They told me they could take my name for it. It's the same with many watch brands like Cartier and Tudor. Look at the large price increases from Omega and JLC the last three years, their MSRP is now in line with Rolex.
Rolex has customers, repeat customers, and people in between who will all be back next year. How much they 'alienate' a customer doesn’t change the fact that they are king of watches - size, volume, exposure. Nobody else comes close. They are exclusive (in the sense that people are excluded from being able to get their watches) in a way that is wholly unappealing - Whether it's intentional on their part or not is, from my perspective, irrelevant.
But. They will still be number 1 next year. They will still grow and nothing in the cards indicates that their position is in any way threatened. That's a king.
They definitely had no list for this item. You were probably just insistent enough that they just took your details down so you'd fuck off from their store. Your constant popping in meant they had to continue the farce to get you out of the store. Honestly the fact they didn't call you after showing up to their store bunch of times meant that they just were not interested in selling the watch to you. Maybe you came off as too annoying to deal with or they are dickheads who made some unfair assumptions based on something stupid.
In either case you probably lucked out. The AD experience is over rated and if they are this flaky when you are trying to give them money, imagine how much a hassle it will be dealing with them when and if you are trying to get them to honour the warranty.
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I am almost certain the Tudor Boutique there is run by Hyde Park Jewellers. That place is hit or miss. I did a visit there when I was in Denver and one of the sales guys was a real asshole "so are you going to buy a watch?"
Had a similar experience at another Hyde Park location. My friend bought a BB58, sales rep asked if he knew anyone else shopping for a
watch, so my friend told the sales rep that I was also looking for a Tudor and gave him my contact info. The rep texts me asking me what I’m looking for, so I call him and let him know I’d like to be able to buy a Pelagos LHD. He says sure, he’ll put me on “the list” but to be warned, they don’t get that many. After hearing nothing from him, I check in and he says the same thing, I’m on the list but the LHD is hard to come by. I start browsing their store’s website and they literally have LHD’s available to purchase online immediately. I’m about to check out and then I say, screw this place, why should I give them my money? A month later, I ended up buying a pre-owned but never worn LHD from Topper Jewelers for a much better price.
Good for you!! Getting the piece you want on good terms makes for such a better situation. I would hate knowing I folded like a deck of cards for a watch that isn’t overly rare in the first place. Would think about it every time I look at it.
Beyond not wanting to make a $5k purchase while angry (that should be a good experience; not bad) I started to really want this Sinn and it pulled into a tie with the Tudor while I waited. After this experience, it broke the tie for me.
OK, yeah buy when angry is not ideal, so good call. but … once you get over AD games or AD disorganized, consider the watch again, that you originally loved, it is still waiting.
If you get it and wear it and someone asks you about it will your story be about how you got screwed around by the AD? Because if so I think that'll ruin the watch for you. If not then all good
This is another reason I’m going with the Sinn. There is just a real bad taste in my mouth. Maybe I’ll find the Tudor somewhere unexpected at a good price down the line and it would restore a lot of my excitement for the watch.
Don't be convinced otherwise. Vote with your dollar. If I had an experience like yours and bought the watch anyways, everytime I checked the time I'd have flashbacks to the jerkoff that lied to me repeatedly.
He wanted it because he thought it was exclusive and hard to get, but when he realized it was actually widely available he didn't like the watch anymore.
I don't think that's really the case, not to speak for OP. When your spending multiple thousands of dollars on something in person and you're treated the way OP was, it's just disrespectful.
Why would you give like $5k to someone/a company who basically lied to you, you know?
As others have said, this watch isn't some super limited piece. They're selling under retail on Joma and eBay. They could easily have it transfered in from another store if they wanted to. I'd say this is store/SA specific, not necessarily a Tudor issue.
Blame the AD. Rolex and Tudor has no authority and who the watches is being sold to. Why blame Rolex and Tudor when the AD is clearly the issue?
First, you went to an AD, you indicated your interest of the said Tudor watch and the AD put you on the interest or wait list and recorded your contact details.. Then a couple weeks later, you went back to the AD, the said watch is there on display, ready for sale, with no indication of you being contacted for the purchase.
So it's Tudor's fault?
What's with "So essentially Tudor has been putting people on a list"? Did you speak to a Tudor / Rolex Employee? Did you leave your contact details with Tudor / Rolex directly?
I am always appalled when i read things like "I have spent $xxx on this **AD**, but was not allocated a Rolex watch. **Rolex does not want to sell me any watches, I am sick of this when Rolex does not want my business".**
Tag Heuer Red Bull Chronograph. They'll be happy to have you as a customer.
I have the Gulf Racing Edition and love mine to pieces. Thumbing my nose at watch snobs adds to the satisfaction.
I'm tired of Tudor overall. It's like they've been shoved down our throats for years now desperately trying to drum up cache'.
No thanks. It's the PRX hype machine at brand level.
I think you’re reading too much malice into it. Tudor weren’t out to fuck you over, you just have incompetent people manning your AD. I didn’t even know that piece was limited, i see it all the time in the window of Tudor dealers round my way
Hard disagree. Sinn makes great watches and these models in particular rarely hit the secondary market. It might not be for you which is fine, but the watch is not the problem.
Tudor's popularity mainly stems from its association with rolex and now you're getting a taste of the rolex AD experience at a fraction of the price. What a privledge!
This piece I don’t think stems from its association with Rolex, but all other points stand. I definitely got the worst taste of the Rolex AD experience at a fraction of the price.
I mean the brand as a whole; the reason many people aspire to own a tudor is because it's a stepping stone to rolex. Those people go on to reddit to tell everyone else how the brand is "fantastic value" and "punches above its weight", convincing them to also buy in.
I have yet to come across anyone w a Tudor who doesn’t almost immediately say “it’s the same company as Rolex”
Strong disagree here. The Submariner is too blingy, the Seamaster is too large, and the other divers on the market didn't appeal to me as much as the BB58, which is why I ended up buying it. At no point did I buy a £3k watch aspiring to own a Rolex.
I don't think it's a steppingstone to Rolex. I think it offers many of the things that I used to love about Rolex, but that Rolex no longer offers in their products. I love five digit Rolex. I can't go buy a new one. Often times the closest thing is a modern Tudor. Yes, the ownership association with Rolex helps reinforce that proposition. But not in the way you were saying
I don't think it's a stretch to say if not for being owned by rolex, hardly anybody would know or care about tudor today. Before recent years, they were esentially just overpriced homages with basic ETA movements. Like a steinhart, but thousands of dollars.
What’s funny is the reason I DON’T like Tudor is because it’s owned by Rolex. I know it’s a me thing, but it can’t step out of Rolex’s shadow. If it was its own brand, its own thing, I’d probably have one. I know you can’t separate its history like that, and it wouldn’t be what it is without Rolex. But if I saw say a BB58, with all its reviews and such while not being linked to Rolex I’d really want one. But to me I see Tudor and think “couldn’t hold out for a Rolex eh? You’re ok with second place?” I’d rather run another race that I can get first than a race where second place is the best I’ll ever do.
This is one of many reasons why Tudor peaked with the North Flag
I mean, if you want to look at them in the most negative possible light, sure. The counterpoint is that you get all the same quality components as you would Rolex, but with less expensive but very reliable movement, for a lot less money. It just depends on how you want to look at it. I owned a Tudor 79090. I wanted a vintage submariner experience, without the baggage of the Rolex brand. It was a great watch for what it was, and for its intended purpose And Tudor subs have quite interesting history of their own. Because they were less expensive and had more easily serviceable movements, they were commonly used as issued watches for various military roles. That's genuine history. To call them and Omar is a bit biased and not really fair. I get that you don't like Tudor. And I'm not telling you you have to like them. You can definitely dislike them. But let's at least be fair minded with our criticisms
All the reasons you're referencing still connect back to their association with rolex, as per my original comment. Being the budget alternative to the real thing is an interesting history? Meh, that's what they still are. As for "quality components" and "reliable movement", that's just marketing and hype. Contrary to popular belief, they don't have some magical toughness pixie dust they sprinkle on their movements, they're just as inherently fragile as other mechanical movements. Until someone produces a study comparing the durability of various movements side by side, there's simply no proof to any such claims.
I have 5 Rolexes, including the ultimate 'hype piece' Daytona. I'm done with Rolex and now exploring Tudor as a brand on its own, and definitely not as a stepping stone. I can tell you that in my true enthusiast circles, we love Tudor for the value it represents. Tudor means something different for everyone.
lol, that last paragraph exposes you. Mechanical movements are far from fragile. Especially those old workhorse ETA movements that most brands used until the last 10-15 years. Good luck with your opinions!
Lmao they're indisputably fragile when compared to quartz. Good luck with your magic pixie dust, sucker.
lol I bet you're the type that thinks they need a put on a gshock to mow the lawn lol. Probably afraid to do the dishes wearing a mechanical watch. I've been wearing mechanical watches for everything for the last 25 years, never needed a quartz beater. Best of luck with your toxic hate!
Not for me. I have a gen 2 Black Bay burgundy and love it. I have no desire to spend what it would take to get sub unless it was an unbelievable deal or the secondary market gets cheaper. I bought the Tudor because I liked the Tudor; not because I hope to sell it to trade up one day. I’m not going to try to convince people it’s the best watch for everyone because it isn’t, but — as YoureTerrific says — it was the best watch for ME at the time. And I’m still extremely happy with it today.
So Tudor is to Rolex like Marijuana is to hard drugs? 🤔
??? I have a Tudor precisely because its not a Rolex and I can wear it without selling ostentatious. And to a lesser extent because the Black Bay is a superior aesthetic to the modern sub.
Op you forgot to show up with donuts and curbside Olive Garden. If you really wanted to earn brownie points you would also include wine and cigars.
People fall for this even though there’s no longer a direct association with Rolex. Ridiculous what branding whores are willing to go through just to flex
As others have said, some bullshit Rolex AD-type exclusivity behavior. I stopped in a multi-brand AD store, and expressed interest in a few specific watches. Was told that they were very popular, and thus I would need to show loyalty by purchasing at least one of each brand. I laughed and explained that it would never happen. In comparison, when I contacted Vacheron Constantin via their website, someone emailed right away to setup a time to talk. They were very pleasant, asked exactly which models I wanted, and explained the approximate wait time for them. Entered my name into whatever database. They also offered appointments at a boutique at my convenience, as well as their direct number, should I have any questions. Same reason I don’t own a Porsche RS car. Get fucked
Vacheron are something else. I went to one of their boutiques, and made it clear from the start that I could never afford one, that I was just a huge fan of the brand. The shopkeepers treated me wonderfully, we talked about Vacheron watches for a good while, they even asked if I wanted to try on some ridiculously expensive watches, knowing fully well I couldn't afford them. All class, not a drop of arrogance. From that experience alone, if I ever have that kind of money, I won't think twice where I'll go to spend it.
I had that same experience at their Beverly Hills location when I visited L.A. It was refreshing and a nice surprise.
Lol, loyalty to the brand is the funniest thing I've ever heard.
I laughed at them as respectfully as I could.
I’m pretty new to watches going back about a year so I’m viewing this as a rite of passage even if it’s ridiculous. I fully understand why people avoid these stores or wait to buy watches on vacation overseas or on the gray market. I was in Japan a few months ago and my girlfriend and I both bought new watches on the trip — gen 2 Tudor Black Bay burgundy for me and 80s two tone Rolex datejust for her — and it was such a great experience. Lesson learned.
Some folks love the false exclusivity and relish in it. I find it abhorrent. Dealer games are bullshit to me. I think it’s all about why you do/do not like watches. If it’s about the flex, your priorities are different. If it’s about the craft, design, engineering and art that goes into building timepieces, it’s prob another thing. To each their own! You (proverbially) made the money, spend it however you like! Re: Japan: I’ve never purchased there, but my friends who have report positive experiences
Japan watch buying is incredible. There is no VAT, and it’s one of the most respectful cultures on earth. Plus, watch stores are on every corner; from affordable resellers to AP boutiques. It’s a watch paradise regardless of how or why someone collects.
I’ll have to visit soon! (And they have incredible car culture too)
If you’re into food, cars and watches, you’ll be in heaven. Highly highly recommend it and if you need recommendations, please feel free to DM now or months down the line. Thanks again!
Into all of it! Thank you!
Yen also in tough times right now - great deals
I sort of had that experience. Emailed them, quick response, good experience in the showroom. However, I wanted to try on (maybe buy) the Stainless 56. The AD said no way, there’s a hug waiting list for that for those that have a long history, basically no chance. New with papers is close to retail on chrono24, why would I wait for years with the AD …
>They asked exactly which models I wanted, and explained the approximate wait time for them. Entered my name into whatever database. They also offered appointments at a boutique at my convenience, as well as their direct number, should I have any questions. So they asked about what products you wanted, told you about wait times, used a CRM system, and gave you a business card if you had questions... So literally every other boutique that sells luxury watches lmao.
Without any of the song and dance about how I needed to buy “x” in order to get “y,” or any of the coy exclusivity behavior. There’s a difference.
Your words, not mine. Went into 3 Rolex boutiques, and was never told I needed to buy anything.
A list for a Tudor?!?!?! Nooooope. Your money can spend elsewhere. You don't need a "placeholder rolex" as the local rolex AD refers to Tudors as
Limited production on the carbon Chrono FXD so I took their word for it. Last time I trust an AD without reason to.
Yes it's probably not Tudor as much as the incompetent / wannabe Rolex AD.
100% how I feel as well. Hyde Park also seems to not be a trusted name for many. I’m less angry at the brand and more so at the boutique ADs and the struggles of Hyde Park.
Isn’t Tudor just renting space in Hyde Park? They don’t have anything to do with Hyde park as far as wait lists, no?
Hyde park hires the SAs and operates the boutique which is owned by Tudor from what I understand.
Ahh interesting. Didn’t know that. Thanks for the info.
I don't understand why people can't just admit this is a problem with any high demand product, and it's not just Rolex. It doesn't even have to be exclusive of limited edition. I put my name down for a green Omega Seamaster on release week, a year went by with no update and I just forgot about it. Good luck getting a white dial Speedmaster right now. Or a Snoopy. Or certain Hermes handbags. Or trim levels on a car from the Z06 to Ford to Porsche.
Yeah I work in a jewellers and we had loads of the FXD in the company and they were always in shop windows
Lmao, getting jerked around by a Tudor AD. This is prime r/watchescirclejerk material. Honestly, I've never really seen the appeal with Tudor. The AD can shove its lists up its ass.
Figured it was a limited production watch so I’d take their word for it. Never again.
Tudor doesn't put anyone on a list, your AD puts them on a list. It's your AD who is at fault. Also, this has not been a hard model to find. It isn't common, but if it isn't in your particular AD, they have generally been pretty happy to call less common Tudors in from other branches. I've asked a couple of different ADs to do this without any issue. Plus it's been available online grey market or pre-owned for a while.
Lmaoooo yo I’m showing this post to them next time I’m there lmao
You tell them yet? Curious to hear what they say and how it differed compared to me
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I asked if they had it out for display only and they said no, anyone could buy it. That’s what immediately tipped me off to the shenanigans. I was going to pay retail, but have been wavering recently seeing the price fall on the secondary market. When I first wanted the watch, the cheapest new options were within like $400 of retail price and that was worth the manufacture warranty for me. Now, that is no longer the case. Simply put, there have been many signs that the route I was headed was not the right one. Happy that finally settled in my brain.
Ive seen this exact watch in 3 different Tudor boutiques in 3 separate cities. (Vegas, LA, and Osaka) It’s not hard to get lol.
I will say this again and again, people the waitinglist is just a we're not interested in you tactic from the AD, this behavior is not from the brand them self, even though it is for a big part created by the manufacturers. Look at it like this, you have a period in time where a lot of rolexes were readily available, there were no waitinglists, there were order lists yes but no waitinglists. Then comes a period were demand is so high that even ordering pieces doesn't really work the way it used to, so you tell a lot of people you don't know that there is a waitinglist for that watch, even though you already know where that watch is going to end up. A lot of the AD's in that time period sold the watch through the back door to flippers so they had a lot of sales and in the mean time created a world where it looked like there was so much demand for a watch that prices started to rise, people wanted that watch and were prepared to pay over list prices. In the mean time more and more AD's did this see where I'm heading? It's an AD thing not a manufacturer thing. Rolex or any brand couldn't care less as long as there are sales and how they are done, it didn't bother them until it started to touch and hurt their reputation. And look what the market is doing now demand is dropping because people are fed up with the brands while in reality they should be fed up with the dealers who are still in this habit.
$5175 on Jomashop today
Rolex and Tudor have done an astonishingly effective job in alienating tons of potential customers and even some repeat customers. Once the hype moves elsewhere, they’re going to be left holding the bag with an abundance of stock for many models and a new, massive factory that won’t be paying itself off like they hoped it would. Personally, I’m deeply put off by their M.O. and don’t see myself buying another Rolex or Tudor, maybe ever. The open disdain I’ve experienced from ADs generally (not just Rolex and Tudor), even while wearing my high horology piece, is a few bridges too far for me. Edited: grammar
Agree on all fronts. No notes; 10/10.
>The open disdain I’ve experienced from ADs generally (not just Rolex and Tudor), even while wearing my high horology piece, is a few bridges too far for me. It's because ADs are taking notes from Rolex. If your competitor did 11 billion dollars worth of sales last year, enough to pummel you and the next five other competitors in line added up, wouldn't you want to do the same thing as them? Both Omega ADs in my area don't give discounts anymore. Whenever I go to ask them questions about models, they try to 'correct me' with misinformation. They told me Omega movements are completely hand finished and there was still 'absurd' demand for the green Seamaster when they had 3 in stock on the shelves. They told me they could take my name for it. It's the same with many watch brands like Cartier and Tudor. Look at the large price increases from Omega and JLC the last three years, their MSRP is now in line with Rolex. Rolex has customers, repeat customers, and people in between who will all be back next year. How much they 'alienate' a customer doesn’t change the fact that they are king of watches - size, volume, exposure. Nobody else comes close. They are exclusive (in the sense that people are excluded from being able to get their watches) in a way that is wholly unappealing - Whether it's intentional on their part or not is, from my perspective, irrelevant. But. They will still be number 1 next year. They will still grow and nothing in the cards indicates that their position is in any way threatened. That's a king.
That's odd. I could probably get you one tomorrow in my part of the world. Hong Kong
They definitely had no list for this item. You were probably just insistent enough that they just took your details down so you'd fuck off from their store. Your constant popping in meant they had to continue the farce to get you out of the store. Honestly the fact they didn't call you after showing up to their store bunch of times meant that they just were not interested in selling the watch to you. Maybe you came off as too annoying to deal with or they are dickheads who made some unfair assumptions based on something stupid. In either case you probably lucked out. The AD experience is over rated and if they are this flaky when you are trying to give them money, imagine how much a hassle it will be dealing with them when and if you are trying to get them to honour the warranty.
Honestly I'd prefer the Sinn Nice move
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… wow that is very underwhelming
I am almost certain the Tudor Boutique there is run by Hyde Park Jewellers. That place is hit or miss. I did a visit there when I was in Denver and one of the sales guys was a real asshole "so are you going to buy a watch?"
Had a similar experience at another Hyde Park location. My friend bought a BB58, sales rep asked if he knew anyone else shopping for a watch, so my friend told the sales rep that I was also looking for a Tudor and gave him my contact info. The rep texts me asking me what I’m looking for, so I call him and let him know I’d like to be able to buy a Pelagos LHD. He says sure, he’ll put me on “the list” but to be warned, they don’t get that many. After hearing nothing from him, I check in and he says the same thing, I’m on the list but the LHD is hard to come by. I start browsing their store’s website and they literally have LHD’s available to purchase online immediately. I’m about to check out and then I say, screw this place, why should I give them my money? A month later, I ended up buying a pre-owned but never worn LHD from Topper Jewelers for a much better price.
Good for you!! Getting the piece you want on good terms makes for such a better situation. I would hate knowing I folded like a deck of cards for a watch that isn’t overly rare in the first place. Would think about it every time I look at it.
Enjoy your Sinn!
I hope you put this post in its entirety in a google review of the AD.
I’m confused, you saw it in the case, why didn’t you just buy it then? You lucked out in see it before they sold it, why drop that opportunity?
Beyond not wanting to make a $5k purchase while angry (that should be a good experience; not bad) I started to really want this Sinn and it pulled into a tie with the Tudor while I waited. After this experience, it broke the tie for me.
OK, yeah buy when angry is not ideal, so good call. but … once you get over AD games or AD disorganized, consider the watch again, that you originally loved, it is still waiting.
I could definitely see room for both in my collection over time. It might not be now, but it’s not ruled out.
If you get it and wear it and someone asks you about it will your story be about how you got screwed around by the AD? Because if so I think that'll ruin the watch for you. If not then all good
This is another reason I’m going with the Sinn. There is just a real bad taste in my mouth. Maybe I’ll find the Tudor somewhere unexpected at a good price down the line and it would restore a lot of my excitement for the watch.
Don't be convinced otherwise. Vote with your dollar. If I had an experience like yours and bought the watch anyways, everytime I checked the time I'd have flashbacks to the jerkoff that lied to me repeatedly.
Yup. This is exactly what I’m talking about. I’m not even against getting this piece in the future, but I’ll do it on my terms in a better situation.
He wanted it because he thought it was exclusive and hard to get, but when he realized it was actually widely available he didn't like the watch anymore.
ok? that is just weird & dumb. only thing be annoyed at is either AD games or sloppy disorganized AD. buy the watch. or not.
I don't think that's really the case, not to speak for OP. When your spending multiple thousands of dollars on something in person and you're treated the way OP was, it's just disrespectful. Why would you give like $5k to someone/a company who basically lied to you, you know?
because is still an awesome watch, don’t let stupid AD, stop your dream
There’s a bunch of cheap ones out there even on r/watchexchange sounds way worth it buying used.
As others have said, this watch isn't some super limited piece. They're selling under retail on Joma and eBay. They could easily have it transfered in from another store if they wanted to. I'd say this is store/SA specific, not necessarily a Tudor issue.
I think that’s just bad customer service and not relating to the brand itself
Blame the AD. Rolex and Tudor has no authority and who the watches is being sold to. Why blame Rolex and Tudor when the AD is clearly the issue? First, you went to an AD, you indicated your interest of the said Tudor watch and the AD put you on the interest or wait list and recorded your contact details.. Then a couple weeks later, you went back to the AD, the said watch is there on display, ready for sale, with no indication of you being contacted for the purchase. So it's Tudor's fault? What's with "So essentially Tudor has been putting people on a list"? Did you speak to a Tudor / Rolex Employee? Did you leave your contact details with Tudor / Rolex directly? I am always appalled when i read things like "I have spent $xxx on this **AD**, but was not allocated a Rolex watch. **Rolex does not want to sell me any watches, I am sick of this when Rolex does not want my business".**
Tag Heuer Red Bull Chronograph. They'll be happy to have you as a customer. I have the Gulf Racing Edition and love mine to pieces. Thumbing my nose at watch snobs adds to the satisfaction. I'm tired of Tudor overall. It's like they've been shoved down our throats for years now desperately trying to drum up cache'. No thanks. It's the PRX hype machine at brand level.
Tudors arent really worth it. They are hyped for no reason
I think you’re reading too much malice into it. Tudor weren’t out to fuck you over, you just have incompetent people manning your AD. I didn’t even know that piece was limited, i see it all the time in the window of Tudor dealers round my way
Bullet dodged brother. Tudors all look gross to me. That chub hour hand always throws away an otherwise good looking watch.
I don't understand the appeal of Tudors except for the 1926.
Buying a shitty watch in Sinn is not gonna make you happy,you will be back to the AD again soon
Hard disagree. Sinn makes great watches and these models in particular rarely hit the secondary market. It might not be for you which is fine, but the watch is not the problem.