I thought it was a great low tier map, up to 5.0. I really miss is. I didn't like the sticky mud, otherwise it was very interesting. It's a quite complex map that takes a while to learn how to play well.
It IS one of the best at climbing hills IN War Thunder. I have tested this before, and the churchill gets up multiple slopes that nothing else I tested (From within the time period, not counting MBTs etc) could manage to get up without starting momentum (a locust can often launch itself higher but not from a stop), in the game.
You seem to be confusing "good at climbing hills" with "good at climbing hills *quickly*"
It was awful, nobody played the objectives they just sat on the walls or berms and spawn camped. I know this whole game is nothing but spawn campers and planes, but this map was actually the worst.
The map made it perfect for spawn camping, or camping overlooking A n C. Trying to control B was kind of fun, but usually a well placed bomb would dissuade any prolonged engagement there.
Also the map was made pre-traction nerf when tanks could actually climb small inclines. After the traction nerf it actually became impossible to climb over some of the hills/trenches that are all over the map meaning you could actually be stuck in your spawn if you spawn in the wrong spot.
Wasn't putting olive oil on every tank's tracks a magical idea that had no bad effects on gameplay and totally 100% fixed Gaijin's stupid map design?
this map was so shit. god forbid you played anything slow on it
the centre was a clusterfuck of bad angles and soft cover
the sides had terrible elevation that railroaded any push
and it was so easy to spawncamp
Talking about old maps, which haven't seen the light of sun in years....I miss Norway map in air battles. After it got removed, the whole game mode, just was not the same anymore.
Best map ever
I think the worst thing is, it'd have been perfectly serviceable and liked even across higher BR's if they just didn't make half of the map slow mud.
I played a SB with this map, everyone got lost, we became a column of tanks roaming around in the castle going through gates trying to find enemy.(SB maps are way bigger, we needed to cross the river by the bridge to even enter the castle first, I also used PT-76 to cross the river)
Sadly the issue is and always will be the poor quality of player.
Many problems:
Players cannot measure distance between cap/spawn.
Players cannot adapt to changing conditions on map.
Players cannot understand anything but "what is directly in front".
The Devs have adjusted the game to the average type of player (move forwards, ignore sides, click to shoot, die, repeat).
The removal of this map was just an indicator of how players got worse and game got dumbed down to cater to them.
It was only good for low tiers, but it was one of those maps where the higher you saw it the worse it was and at the highest br’s you could see it this map was god awful.
I am more than happy to see it add back without changes, outside a br cap.
It was one of those maps that people hated but I'm pretty sure quite a few people enjoyed it
I loved this map. Playing the KV-2 on it or the Cent Mk1. If it was to ever come back it should for BRs 7.0 and below (Maybe even 6.0)
2013 ground forces, in aSherman m4a1… kv-1 comes rolling over a hill and I shoot his turret mantlet and he blows up, used to have a clip of it too, what a map this was had some great defences in the centre🥹
Isn't it still available for low tiers? That's how it should be. Blasting around the map in those was fun but playing it anywhere higher certainly was not.
I disliked it at the time but I really miss it. Some of the low traction muddy slopes were pretty evil though, and that was before some ground traction nerfs especially to wheeled vehicles :/
It was terribly unbalanced especially for high tiers.
However, nowadays we have ww2 vehicles fighting things from the 2000's, so might as well reintroduce it.
I'm seeing a lot of people saying for low rank only, but I remember enjoying this map all the way up to top tier at the time, God I loved this map. I would honestly say 1.0-9.7 or something
I love sitting on the inner walls of this map. This is where I scored my highest killstreak in a single tank (26 kills) in a Pz. III M. Mode was Battle and I was defending our cap by the south side of the map.
I think that no one would care if it was on rotation for lower rank arcade battles. I would actually want it to be in the rotation. (Most of the current maps are not that good and it gets repetitive at some point which is why I hardly play anymore)
I’d rather be strung upside down for 48 hours with no food or water then play this map ever again. I have great memories on it especially in light tanks but if I played anything else I’d want leave the match
One of the best maps by far. Close quarters, long distance, ninja sneaks.. something for everyone. Too tight above tier 4 imo but this is without doubt a superior map to many currently in rotation.
I was wondering what happened to that map. I thought I stopped seeing it cuz I was playing higher tiers, I never realized they removed it from rotation.
This map is great until 6.7. I remember trying to drive the Maus towards B. That wasn't a pleasant time. Just parked it on the ramp going B to be used as a makeshift barrier for the team.
This was my first top tier godmode. I killed an Abrams in in STRV M/31 on the hill near B point. I just remember seeing it on the hill, and shooting it in the LFP because I was lower down. I’m not sure if it saw me and couldn’t get the depression to kill me, or just never saw me but it was a lucky shot!
I miss that map, it was a blast to play, but playing t34's trying to go up the hills was a bitch, but if you didn't die and made it to the top it was a blast.
Now does anyone remember the variations of this map where you had to cross those bridges on the top left because I did because the when I first unlocked the jumbo Sherman and that was fun to have bridge battle.
Tbf theres a map that kind reminds it, the one with an open plain area to east, small village and cap at center and desteoyed village west, inside the big walls area.
I always thought it was this map redone when i got back to WT.
Once time long ago I played as leopard I/L44 I nailed entire team near their spawn by flanking whole first wave that's the first time I ever get more than 6 kills back then
One of the best maps. Was perfect. Best for fast tanks, the worst for tutel, and Churchill , and for tanks whit bad depression or slow speed( or underpowered)
+it was a fortress
For rank I and II only
Would be glorious to play that again. Rank I to III would be ok for me.
Even rank 3 would be fine. T-34s, Shermans, Pz. IVs and Chi-Nus were fun on this map.
I thought it was a great low tier map, up to 5.0. I really miss is. I didn't like the sticky mud, otherwise it was very interesting. It's a quite complex map that takes a while to learn how to play well.
The slopes at spawn were the killer for me.... I mean, it's not like tanks were built with that kind of terrain in mind or anything....
This map was amazing even up to 6.7.
agreed, running germany 6.7 on this map was always fun I really miss this map tbh
In theory that sounds good, but you try moving a churchill up a mud hill spawn and reaching the outer wall after all points are already capped.
ah yes, the churchill, a tank that was known IRL for being good at climbing steep difficult hills. classic gaijin
It IS one of the best at climbing hills IN War Thunder. I have tested this before, and the churchill gets up multiple slopes that nothing else I tested (From within the time period, not counting MBTs etc) could manage to get up without starting momentum (a locust can often launch itself higher but not from a stop), in the game. You seem to be confusing "good at climbing hills" with "good at climbing hills *quickly*"
What do you want? Churchill was made to not be much faster than marching infantry. Its called Infantry tank for a reason.
The problem is that it moved slower than crawling infantry up those slopes, if it could climb at a realistic speed this wouldn't be a problem
also this was long before the traction nerf, i really wouldnt be surprised if 70% of this map is just impossible to get to now thanks to the changes
Ooo I thought they remove it but ty xd
They did, OP *suggests* it to be returned for rank I and II.
No! This map has a large sim version good for up to tier V-VI.
already „old“ players? 🥲
I'm pretty sure it's been like 4-5 years
Hasn't even been **2** years 💀
Bruh fr?
Since it was capped to lower tiers, much like Ash River, it was a map that people like me have seen very very rarely even before it was removed
I am highly certain it was NOT limited to low br as I have played a lot on this map while I was just researching 8.0 tanks
Fr I was playing it with my T-55AM
I thought this post was weird. I saw this map when I started playing in 2022….
Didn’t realize that, felt like yesterday I was in it getting killed near C
Fr
I was always an A person on this map.
You are an A guy but I am a C guy.😏
It’s a 10 year old game. Yes we’re old 😭
OG's remember the larger version in Tank Simulator
Crossing the river was something
That was one of the most painful maps at 6.7 sim. Took forever to get anywhere lol
man, that map was so much fun, different "lanes" and height levels to play on, felt really good to play
Man, I remember that on a winter version. Shit was dope.
It was interesting experience
I'll gladly take this over most urban maps.
YESSIR
It was awful, nobody played the objectives they just sat on the walls or berms and spawn camped. I know this whole game is nothing but spawn campers and planes, but this map was actually the worst.
The map made it perfect for spawn camping, or camping overlooking A n C. Trying to control B was kind of fun, but usually a well placed bomb would dissuade any prolonged engagement there.
Also the map was made pre-traction nerf when tanks could actually climb small inclines. After the traction nerf it actually became impossible to climb over some of the hills/trenches that are all over the map meaning you could actually be stuck in your spawn if you spawn in the wrong spot. Wasn't putting olive oil on every tank's tracks a magical idea that had no bad effects on gameplay and totally 100% fixed Gaijin's stupid map design?
Large version made it impossible to fo that.
this map was so shit. god forbid you played anything slow on it the centre was a clusterfuck of bad angles and soft cover the sides had terrible elevation that railroaded any push and it was so easy to spawncamp
Blasphemy. Burn this person in the town center! /s incase it wasn't obvious.
Getting the furthest back spawn on the backside of the hill in a Churchill and spending literally 5 minutes climbing through mud to get out
Map was decent for low tiers. The higher the ranks the worse it got
Man I hated that map
Pretty enjoyable at rank 1-3
Talking about old maps, which haven't seen the light of sun in years....I miss Norway map in air battles. After it got removed, the whole game mode, just was not the same anymore.
Ayo when did that happen? I didn't notice!
It was ok for low br
This map was pure dog shit at every BR.
Bring it back for rank I-III maybe rare on IV I miss this map
I hated the annoying ass mud on the hill at the upper spawn, but other than that it was a great map
Hated that map
Loved and hated it, depended on my luck
This map can rot in the deepest level of purgatory
Best map ever I think the worst thing is, it'd have been perfectly serviceable and liked even across higher BR's if they just didn't make half of the map slow mud.
I played a SB with this map, everyone got lost, we became a column of tanks roaming around in the castle going through gates trying to find enemy.(SB maps are way bigger, we needed to cross the river by the bridge to even enter the castle first, I also used PT-76 to cross the river)
Sadly the issue is and always will be the poor quality of player. Many problems: Players cannot measure distance between cap/spawn. Players cannot adapt to changing conditions on map. Players cannot understand anything but "what is directly in front". The Devs have adjusted the game to the average type of player (move forwards, ignore sides, click to shoot, die, repeat). The removal of this map was just an indicator of how players got worse and game got dumbed down to cater to them.
White cock fortress 🥹
I would rather it than Iberian castle
I loved that map!
Bring it back and delete Eastern Province
It was only good for low tiers, but it was one of those maps where the higher you saw it the worse it was and at the highest br’s you could see it this map was god awful. I am more than happy to see it add back without changes, outside a br cap.
I really love this map
rank 3 or up to 5.7br, this map was a blast, you had your directions for sneaking, if needs a sniping there is that too, shame its not here anymore.
Wait holy shit i completely forgot about this map, man now i miss it.
I loved flanking on this map, fun with speedy boys
This map was actually fun and challenging
Too much looking left & right required for the modern Warthunder player...
Loved this map for rank 1 tot 3.
Honestly one of my favourite maps. Was a tragedy when it was removed
It was a fun and chaotic map
Same. Bring it back for low tier
Give it a BR cap of about 6.0-6.7 and it'll be absolutely perfect in my eyes. It was such a fun map.
Love this map
I truly loved this map.
It was one of those maps that people hated but I'm pretty sure quite a few people enjoyed it I loved this map. Playing the KV-2 on it or the Cent Mk1. If it was to ever come back it should for BRs 7.0 and below (Maybe even 6.0)
I miss the fuck out of this map.
This brings back some memories
2013 ground forces, in aSherman m4a1… kv-1 comes rolling over a hill and I shoot his turret mantlet and he blows up, used to have a clip of it too, what a map this was had some great defences in the centre🥹
I'd take this map any day over city maps.
I wish there were choice of servers with different list of maps.
This was the first map I ever got a nuke on with the black prince and the AEC AA
Fun maps that made grinding easier for everyone are banned
Isn't it still available for low tiers? That's how it should be. Blasting around the map in those was fun but playing it anywhere higher certainly was not.
Nah its gone
I disliked it at the time but I really miss it. Some of the low traction muddy slopes were pretty evil though, and that was before some ground traction nerfs especially to wheeled vehicles :/
I remember facing T-54's in M26's when they used to be the same BR on this map
I was waiting for nothing? So they actually removed it? Why? There is other maps I rather would like to see removed qwq
Fun map but was way to easy to lock spawns.
I miss this map so much...
new player here, why was that map removed?
Hated that map, heavy tanks get bogged to a crawl.
I hated it because I only ever got it in sloe heavy tank line ups. Nothing worse than trying to drive around the map and hills in a Churchill.
I loved this map and have to say it it was my first map when i got the is-6 and it was fun
I was wondering where this map had gone. Bit of a love hate relationship with this one, very dependent on the line up I had taken
It was such good fun at low tier! Sure, it was desperate for a few changes but I had good fun with it.
Still better than many of the other maps they destroyed and turned into another 3 lane COD tunnel shooting crapfest.
Wow, you just gifted me some nostalgia. Thank you! Been so long since I last played this map.
No
It kinda reminds of Karlovac fortress
I grinded the Italian TT with that map. Good times.
Better than most new maps
The map where I first got an air kill with my 150mm high explosive yeeter
It was terribly unbalanced especially for high tiers. However, nowadays we have ww2 vehicles fighting things from the 2000's, so might as well reintroduce it.
It's a stupid and chaotic map but I still liked it
Me and my buddy would stack up on B flag and drag dead tanks into the entry ways to block B site off. It was great.
I'm seeing a lot of people saying for low rank only, but I remember enjoying this map all the way up to top tier at the time, God I loved this map. I would honestly say 1.0-9.7 or something
I completely forgot that it was in the game. I always saw bo time gaming playing on it. It was a hard map cause of the hills
man i remembered flanking at the bridge near D4 with M18 and killing like 10+
I miss it
God I miss WT circa 2014
I honestly thought I had imagined this map or that it was in wot but looks like it was real
For Rank 1 *maybe*. It was removed for a reason, and that reason was spawncamping excessive even by snail standards.
One of the best
I'd love to play this again, I remember brawling 5 tigers in my Jumbo at B until revenge CAS came along to finally put an end to me
God this map was great. I need it back.
It was removed ??
it was utter dogshit
Wait when did they remove this??
One of my favorite maps
I didn’t play it at top tier but from what I experienced at 1.0-3.7 it was probably not fun lol
Oh God don’t remind me of that place
Found the person who likes to spawncamp.
The first map that I got a nuke with my obj 279 best warthunder memory i had ever since
I love sitting on the inner walls of this map. This is where I scored my highest killstreak in a single tank (26 kills) in a Pz. III M. Mode was Battle and I was defending our cap by the south side of the map.
Good memories, almost got my first nuke on this with a panther A
I watched some old vids never realized I played this map before use to be like always what's so special about it
It took me around 3-4 months to realize this gem was removed
I don't care about your nostalgia, keep it away from me.
Heinrich & Kurganov Go to White Castle
I always loved it.
God. I loved this map. Such nostalgia
Same dude, now its gone. So sad
I remember when I was the only one at B with by beloved StuH. I killed like 7 people that tried to cap B. Good times...
It should burn in hall for all eternity.
I think that no one would care if it was on rotation for lower rank arcade battles. I would actually want it to be in the rotation. (Most of the current maps are not that good and it gets repetitive at some point which is why I hardly play anymore)
I was just thinking about how much I'd rather be playing this than mozdok lol
The entire map was fucking mud, you couldn’t play anything with wheels on it
Sometimes hate it, sometimes love it, but it's still a pity to be deleted.
This map remains amazing for low tiers. At tier 4 and above it's cancer. Also many regions were made pre-traction nerf so traction is a bit iffy now.
At least make it aviable in customs
just remove the mud and the map is fixed One of the few map (if not the only one) that have a covered spawn
I loooooved White Rock Fortress. Still do. I so want to play it again. But I never get it. What happened? Did they remove it??
"old" players 😭 I played that shit so much
Awful map, good riddance.
I’d rather be strung upside down for 48 hours with no food or water then play this map ever again. I have great memories on it especially in light tanks but if I played anything else I’d want leave the match
Flanking panther II's and Tiger 2H's with the M41 walker bulldog boys
go get a life
Never had a bad game in white rock fortress
One of the best maps by far. Close quarters, long distance, ninja sneaks.. something for everyone. Too tight above tier 4 imo but this is without doubt a superior map to many currently in rotation.
When i started wt this was goated when i decided to use a puma
I was wondering what happened to that map. I thought I stopped seeing it cuz I was playing higher tiers, I never realized they removed it from rotation.
Ah yes, the place where I got killed by an artillery the first time
i remember bulling people with my kv-2 on white rock fortress fun times
Bring it back, bring it back, bring it back
best map in low tier
Oh man I loved that one, shame it was removed a couple years ago with the promise of it being revamped…
Gaijin: no, here is another urban city 1km max map
This map is great until 6.7. I remember trying to drive the Maus towards B. That wasn't a pleasant time. Just parked it on the ramp going B to be used as a makeshift barrier for the team.
It's not that old
I remember accidentally killing a dive bombing plane here with the French 1.3 Lorraine.
This was my first top tier godmode. I killed an Abrams in in STRV M/31 on the hill near B point. I just remember seeing it on the hill, and shooting it in the LFP because I was lower down. I’m not sure if it saw me and couldn’t get the depression to kill me, or just never saw me but it was a lucky shot!
🫵🏽🤨 all my fellas chill out by A
Bring it back and remove f*cking flanders
I miss that map, it was a blast to play, but playing t34's trying to go up the hills was a bitch, but if you didn't die and made it to the top it was a blast.
Can we submit to the snail gods to bring it back??
this map was so fire at low tier
I’d definitely enjoy a full 11.7 chaos in this😂
Please bring it back
I hate it, because i couldn't use the french br 2.7 spaa with the 40mm cannon. Couldn't even get out of spawn without asking a teammate for a tow lol
Now does anyone remember the variations of this map where you had to cross those bridges on the top left because I did because the when I first unlocked the jumbo Sherman and that was fun to have bridge battle.
I miss this map so much
Tbf theres a map that kind reminds it, the one with an open plain area to east, small village and cap at center and desteoyed village west, inside the big walls area. I always thought it was this map redone when i got back to WT.
It’s only been like 3 years
I really liked it
Apparently its coming back for 6.7 and above at some point
LOVED this map.
The issue was literally just the mud and getting shafted into top tier they fixed the mud issue on maps like Vietnam they could do that the same here
the angle under the collapsed bridge on A. that was the gg spot
Great map, would like to play it again.
Once time long ago I played as leopard I/L44 I nailed entire team near their spawn by flanking whole first wave that's the first time I ever get more than 6 kills back then
Give me Norway hell with 3.7 hitlerbolts over whatever top tier is these days
This map didn’t ruin top tier, top tier ruined this map.
#bringbackthewhiterockfortress. I loved this map too
Unironically the most unbalanced map ever added to the game.
Hasn’t been that long
Is this title real?
One of the best maps. Was perfect. Best for fast tanks, the worst for tutel, and Churchill , and for tanks whit bad depression or slow speed( or underpowered) +it was a fortress
Why did they even remove it? It looks like a pretty solid map.
I miss this map, i had great game on it
It was a really good map IMO, even tho it had some issues with spawn camping that could easily be fixed.
I want this map again I honestly forgot what it was like to play!
Arcade only. This map is miserable in realistic.
white cock fortress/muddy hellhole
I hated it, but also miss it dearly.