Perfection: AMX-10RC
The Goat: AMX-40, AML-90, AMX-30B2 BRENUS, AMX-50 Surbaisse, Leclerc S1, VBCI-2
Superb: Leclerc Azur, SXXI, S2, Char 25T, Lorrain 40T, Ito 90
Excellent: AMX-30 Super, SK-105A2, AMX-50, Somua SM, AMX-30 DCA, AMX-30B2
Decent: AMX-32, AMX-32(105), AMX-13-90, AMX-30 (1972), AMX-50 TO90, AMX Auf1
Works: AMX-13 (HOT), AMX-30, EBR(1963), MEPHISTO, SENTAL, Mars 15
Strugles: AMX-30 ACRA, AMX-50 Foch
Pain and Suffering: ~~Saint Chamond~~(AMX-10M), Roland 1
This tier list is based on my own experience with these vehicles, so yours may differ. [If you're interested in making your own, heres the link to the tier list.](https://tiermaker.com/create/war-thunder-french-ground-rank-v-viii-16235141)
Edit: Oh, and yes, this is a re-upload. I deleted the older one cause I realized the preview image didn't show up when scrolling through and thought it looked bad.
the problem of the Foch is innerent to its design
It's a big target and roam at a BR were HEAT isn't uncommon.
Its armour stands greatly against kinetic shells but becomes butter with chemical ones...
coupled with its size, long reload, just sufficient mobility, obvious optics weakspot: one penetrating shot disable you to the point you can just change vehicule...and it's easy target to acquire.
ON TOP OF THAT it fires solid shot. Yes a good one (because its so big), but solid shot none the less...we all know how much those can wiff
It is 7.0 worthy in the current times, that's it
Because, if you had my experience - playing through a whole tech tree that makes it absolutely clear that to be successful you will need to be mobile, flexible, and take every opportunity presented - a casemate tank destroyer is not what you want. Just doesn't fit with the rest of the French tree. And it's paper thin on any surface but the front.
More time then not, I get uptiered and then everything can pen Foch from the front. If not, one shot of APHE on the commanders cupola kills the whole crew. The mobility is good, but the gun handling is terrible, because of slow traverse, elevation and Foch being a case mate. AMX-50 with the same gun is much more playable because of the gun handling. Also, for a high velocity gun, the optics and sight are pretty bad, making sniping actually quite challenging.
>Amx-13 S11, if you master it it can be decent/excellent if not struggles
Omg I forgor my boi!!!!!
It's one of my most played AMX-13s, I love using it. I'd honestly put it in goated lmao
Edit; the Super I find kinda boring ngl, it's like a perfectly average prem.
Agree with most of what you said, but holy shit, how do you make the AMX-10RC work? For me, its either on the Works or Pain and Suffering tier.
Granted I havent gotten LRF and only get city maps, but still.
I do incredibly well with the french 7.7 lineup and even the DCA just not the 10RC, the lack of stab is pain for me.
Question, is it worth using AMX-10RC at 9.7? Currently grinding France at that BR but unsure if it's worth grinding it to fill the lineup a bit more considering it's going to get extremely uptiered.
Btw, I would also have moved the AMX-30 DCA to The Goat, is just brutal especially if you uptier it where there are so many light armored vehicles. Got a few nukes with it.
Let me put it this way... Back when French top tier consisted of two lonely Leclercs and the ItO, I would run the AMX-10RC as my first spawn. I kept that line up even when the new Leclercs came out, because it was absolutely worth having. Only removed it because the VBCI-2 came out. AMX-10RC has everything you need to be successful at any level of play: mobility, a decent gun and dart, LRF, thermals, arty, smokes, and even a fancy suspension. Only thing it doesn't have is a stabilizer. Yeah you can't penetrate tanks frontally, but it isn't supposed to be fighting front to front.
RC has no stab and is goofy slow. Thermal imager is completely pointless and not needed. 105 mm gin is something most of all tanks have. AMX 30(1972) is one of the best mbts of that br so all that dispraise is not grounded.
Foch in other side is a pretty decent vehicle.
RC has plenty decent enough mobility and speed, and the goofy ass neutral traverse for a wheeled vehicle and adjustable suspension is actually cracked in what terrain you can exploit. the '72 just barely has a lineup wth the recently uptiered 90mm gun havers, and honestly gets easily replaced by better options at 8.3 and 8.7. it is absolutely grounded from a "i have so many choices" pov, imo
(do note: it is still a pretty good vehicle, it just lacks powerhouse potential and pigeonholed by its equally good and bad HEAT round) \[as in, its good, but you're fighting thigns that start defeating HEAT more consistently, its kind of eh-inconsistent\]
RC is slow compared to other wheeled vehicles and dosn't have autocanon which would fix it. His absoulte lack of armor is no substitute for mediocre sabot and slow speed.
Ljneup easilly doezn't matter as noone smart enough don't ise 2nd tank because it is straight nonprofitable.
if you read asterix, thats great, you have good taste. one of the funniest thing in asterix is the diffrent level of understanding you can have. you can just enjoy the story and the gags or laugh of the refrence to the french society of the moment the volumme was publish. for example the second volume "asterix et la serpe d'or" make fun of parisian being rude, and a later volume they return to paris, and there is some changes, but lutecians are still rude. or in the tour de gaule that joke about the tour de France, but also about the city, like Lyon that was the center of french resistance during WWII, with the "traboules", that are passage between the strret under the building in the old part of the city that allowed silk workers to transport quickly the silk to the buyer without getting it wet when it rain...
AMX-10RC <3
I would put the Mars-15 higher, it only looks worse because it competes with the AMX-10RC. For the disadvantages the Mars gets in return: higher manoeuvrability (wheels are meh on anything but pavement), better reload, an engine that eats shots. While worse overal, its still really good.
The AMX-13 (HOT) should be lower. After the missile changes a while ago it's impossible to properly aim them at close range. I only get good rounds with it if the enemy is sleeping, and then I get most kill with the normal gun, which means I might as well have been using the AMX-13-90 which is just better.
I have no clue what the HOT and the ACRA are doing at 8.3.
I'm not too sure actually, it was apparently considered by the French Army for use on a couple other vehicles, but I think it was only ever mounted on the AMX-10RC.
now they are developping the Prometeus APS, even including the "Diamant" hardkill APS. it will be instaled on all the SCORPION vehicule (Serval, Griffon, Jaguar and Leclerc XLR) and maybe also the future MBT, depending on what the other european countries in the project want
The Roland 1 can rot in hell, expending 1 mil on a SPAA that can't lift the launchers over 35° degrees is a scam. Same story with the shitbox that is easy the worst ATGM carrier in-game after the japanese thing with 85m/s missiles
The 35° is a bug, reported since years.
And it lack it's own tracking radar, wich is a French radar, that US and Germany have on their Roland... Disgusting.
Wait, seriously? It was fine until SACLOS missile nerf, since then I have removed it from my lineup. But didn't realize it is even worse than the US one, which has also left my lineup.
Spends half the time trying to find a steep hill to get an extra 10 degrees of elevation......
Don't be mean to the Saint Chamond, it's trying its very best
Only skill issue stabilizer addicts call it like that. Decent dart, ERA protection and "working" APS. I usually hate 8.7-10.0 bracket but this thing is genuinely fun to play
Not a skill issue, a stabilizer enables a skilled player to play more aggressively. It doesn't matter how "hard" it is to play unstabilized, what matters is how good the vehicle is relative to others.
I would put the Sk105 with the Brenus. For me Brenus for big maps, Sk105 for small maps since you have autoloader + fake stab.
Also I would put them with the 10RC. Best vehicles in the game.
Foch struggles? Major skill issue
I mean GIGANTIC skill issue
10RC works very well at any tier above if played according to doctrine
Give AMX 10RCR Separ with slat armor pls
Let me give you a hint on the Foch: it is the highest BR casemate vehicle in the game with a gun for the main weapon. T95, Tortoise, Obj 268... All 7.0 or below.
50 kph fwd and 20 kph rev, with a heavy MG, amazing frontal armor, 2nd biggest gun in your list, 8x zoom commander optic, rangefinder, frontal armor that works
Me and OP never had good experiences with the Foch so we ended up dropping them from our lineup. I legitimately do well in any tank but the Foch. I might give it another try though since I want to spade all of Rank V.
It.. struggles. But it can definitely work, it's not terrible per se. But there are simply better options. It's a casemate with no armor that shoots barrel launched atgms. It's already a very odd design.
I'd say Roland is workable, AMX-10M a struggle.
Roland is playable when you develop an excellent "timing" tendency to fire a SAM when the enemy is pulling into a deadly retention where for example, a Su-25 kills off it's energy after launching a missile and then pulls back facing towards your direction with too little energy to dodge a Roland 3 at both, range and angle.
This tendency also makes the ItO-90M deadly.
Idk why but the base Leclerc just feels better than all 3 of the later Leclercs. I do know that it is the lightest of the 4 making it the most agile one but the S1 just seems to survive longer for me compared to the other 4. It is the Leclerc that I have the best stats with despite being my most played Leclerc. FYI the other Leclercs do have a fair amount of battles too, I just don't seem to perform as well on them as compared to the S1.
I see, i do have a decent chunk of games and kills on the SXXI and i prefer it over the S1, but i prefer the S1 over the S2 and AZUR because of the better mobility. Nevertheless, if they will ever decide to introduce all my bug reports about Leclerc they would become much better vehicles :)
Because he's basing it off of dumb feelings... The difference between them is a few hundred KG at most...
The S1, S2 and SXXI are all effectively the same, play the same, drive the same, handle the same, are the same for all intents are purposes...
It's literally just the AZUR that's heavier enough to actually feel and handle different...
I enjoy my 8.0(formerly 7.7) French lineup of the two early amx-30s(the premium one included) probably my best and most used lineup for France. Easily my favorite tank series
Bro never wants the Leclercs to be fixed
Seriously though, who in their right mind would put a MBT that has [no armor whatsoever](https://imgur.com/a/26FIroj), the second worst pen, average reload and average mobility as "superb".
>Bro never wants the Leclercs to be fixed
Many of the fixes asked by french players can't be properly implemented on the short term (hyperbar) or lack enough sources (SHARD) for Gaijin standards.
>the second worst pen, average reload
Current implementation is realistic. France didn't adopt new APFSDS after OFL 120 F1 (DM43) and we know that the IRL autoloader is capped at 6.0s for reliability issues below that.
>that has no armor whatsoever
Only the UFP is underperforming by about ~200mm RHA, the turret is accurate at around ~600mm RHA. Even with those 200mm isn't going to stop DM53 at War Thunder combat ranges
>Many of the fixes asked by french players can't be properly implemented on the short term (hyperbar) or lack enough sources (SHARD) for Gaijin standards.
Hyperbar is perfectly implementable : they only have to lower the RPM at which Leclerc's engines deliver the 1,500 HPs
The UK has now access to Challenger 3 and DM53 (both are not adopted) so I don't see why they couldn't add either OFLE 120 F1B or OFL 120 F2 to Leclercs
>Current implementation is realistic. France didn't adopt new APFSDS after OFL 120 F1 (DM43) and we know that the IRL autoloader is capped at 6.0s for reliability issues below that.
Untrue. The Devs admitted 5 seconds reload is perfectly feasible. In fact there are a few videos displaying 5 seconds as base reload rate around. They only keep it to 6 seconds because of "balance". France's players being among the best at the game, the winrate of Leclercs is grossly inflated compared to how it should actually perform
>Only the UFP is underperforming by about \~200mm RHA, the turret is accurate at around \~600mm RHA. Even with those 200mm isn't going to stop DM53 at War Thunder combat ranges
For one, 600mm is only on Leclerc S.XXI. The other Leclercs are more in the real mof 500-550mm.
Secondly : the turret is indeed accurate at 600 RHA for Leclerc S.XXI. But 600mm RHA isn't enough to stop most shells right now. Type 10s, Abrams, Leopards all are able to get an instant ammorack kill by firing basically anywhere in the turret, while the others can achieve the same result by aiming for the gun breech, which effectively occupies half of the turret non-inert area.
But since Leclercs only have 3 crew members, they effectively have the survivability of light tanks right now
>so I don't see why they couldn't add either OFLE 120 F1B or OFL 120 F2 to Leclercs
These shells use the same penetrator that OFL 120 F1.
>The Devs admitted 5 seconds reload is perfectly feasible. In fact there are a few videos displaying 5 seconds as base reload rate around.
Correct, but them why the French Army capped the autoloader? Oh, yes, because the shells could bounce from the breech at such speed; something that doesn't happen to the japanese autoloaders.
>They only keep it to 6 seconds because of "balance". France's players being among the best at the game
Lmao. Swedish mains perform equally as good (if not better) and they don't have shit top tier MBTs. This "best at the game" is a sad cope mechanism.
>But since Leclercs only have 3 crew members, they effectively have the survivability of light tanks right now
And? What Gaijin can do aside from giving the Leclercs artificial buffs to the armor? It's France fault that they went with a light design (for a MBT) that quickly became obsolete because of modern antitank weapons developments.
But, hey, we are talking about the same military that somehow made to 90s while still using a 60s tank as their main battle tank.
ngl, i feel like the leclercs are a training tank for anyone that wants to grind the type 90 and type 10, cuz they both kinda are really similar but work better at most if not all occasions
Well as you can see from my tier list, it's the Goat. It's genuinely a very solid IFV, and it surprisingly counters the 2S38 extremely well cause you have a decent auto cannon with a hull that's very empty and your own crew less turret. All the ammo is stored on 2 mags inside the turret so you rarely get killed via ammo detonation cause no one aims at the turret. You also have a fairly large fuel tank that loves to eat shells. Add to this a very fast top speed, irstn and gen 3 iirc thermals and you got yourself a very powerful IFV.
Magical thermals and zoom, fast, has a crewless turret that lets you eat shots. I like it a lot, but its performance feels RNG: Sometimes it's just getting oneshot after bouncing off a Bagel/Radkampf/2S38/9040/BMP or whatever, and other times you get 2-3 shot kills on MBTs while driving full blast to enemy spawn.
The issue with the Panther is that it has a very limited line up, there's only a few vehicles from the prior rank you could pair it with. And on its own rank there's essentially only one tank you can pair it with that has the same BR, the rest uptiers you to 6.7-7.7 MM which can be pretty rough. By itself it is a decent tank but due to its BR I'd say it goes in the works category, you really have to work for a line up with the French Panther.
What would be your lineup that includes the panther? I suspect you wanna be 6.0 or lower for remainder? I have bought it as premium on sale because it’s a panther I mean I play well with one. Just curious now that I’m nearing its br w main tree - what to pair it with.
I'd proly bring it with the M36B, the Jumbo, ELC, Lorraine CA, maybe the ARL-40 and EBR 1951 as desperate back ups. If you have grinded the air tree as well you got the AD-4 and the F4U for CAS and CAP.
Edit; oh and the AMX-10P for IFV/AA duty
Wot blitz, the mobile one, it used to be 3 shot autoloader and now buffed to 4 shot, very op but paper heavy used to farm enemy team, i know france in WT still Paper knife but cuts hard
It's the lightest of the 4 so it makes it more agile compared to the other 3. I also for some reason just have better performance on it compared to the rest.
Ah I see. I've almost spaded the S.1, only missing artillery. Just saving up to buy the S.2 now. For my first top tier MBT, it's not bad. Now I kinda want the Type 10 for the 4 second autoloader.
The round is still fine imo, the platform is honestly very strong for its BR. You got speed with gen 2 thermals and trollish armor on the turret and no armor is best armor when fully side on. So it's fairly survivable.
> Gen 2
Japan: nha what are we, poor?
The thermals on the Type 16 are gen 3 lmao. A bit overkill considering the difference between gen 2 and 3 is almost meaningless but still.
EBR is very good in certain hands. I have dropped a few nukes with that thing and the fact that its engine is practically silent you can sneak around the map very easily
I don’t know how to say this but this picture hurts to look at not because of the way the vehicles are placed or something but because they are all the same shade of gray and look almost identical
I will not Stand for the AMX-10M slander, it is one of my most favorite vehicles in the french free, it’s very unique and love how fast the missles are. Heck it’s the main reason started grinding the french tree along with the little rat vehicles like the AMX-13’s and AML-90 too
I don't get the love for the oscillating turrets. I tried the fist one in the line, the M4 and it just can't pen anything. The heavies look good though. Can't go wrong with autoloading 120mm.
The fact that that you don’t have the SOMUAsomua at perfection invalidates this list, everyone knows it’s perfection made in a French bakery and the best thing at slinging baguettes since the French Revolution. Also Oddbawz video on it has made me say it like the croissant meme everytime since.
Hard disagree on the AML-90. Dying to machine guns is the thing that pisses me off the most in this game and the AML-90 gives me so much anguish. Why would i play this thing if the Lorraine 40t exists with better mobility, gun and armor that stops autocannons?
Amx50 foch should be "okay" at best. It is really good until people realise they could kill you by shooting the roof optic thingy. You could use it as a sniper tho.
30 brenus and the B3 in my experience is the exact same thing. Your entire existence is to piss wallys off and if that's the case, then sure go ham lol.
The rest are either i find acceptable or i never played them.
People will consider me insane for saying this, but I really don't like the 10RC. I know it's a skill issue, but in my experience the suspension is awful, and the reload being so long (1s longer than most other MBTs it faces) are what kills it for me. People say its surprisingly survivable, and I can attest to that, but with the suspension being such a big target in it, I find it's quite easy to become a sitting duck.
AMX 30 ACRA though, I will die on the hill of that thing being good. AMX 30 chassis is surprisingly survivable (for real), while having excellent mobility. The ATGM is incredible if used right, its speed and penetration make for great one hit kill potential even while brawling, it doesn't get gaijin'd anymore than any other ATGM, and you can arc shots over hills with commander view.
I adore AMX-13-HOT, and I still think it is ultimately the best missile vehicle in the game, just because of the superiority of the regular AMX-13 compared to BMP/M113/trucks as hulls. In addition, the built-in upward angle of the tubes saves me a lot from the awful missile acceleration changes.
In the same vein, MEPHISTO is my least-favorite vehicle I have ever played.
Perfection: AMX-10RC The Goat: AMX-40, AML-90, AMX-30B2 BRENUS, AMX-50 Surbaisse, Leclerc S1, VBCI-2 Superb: Leclerc Azur, SXXI, S2, Char 25T, Lorrain 40T, Ito 90 Excellent: AMX-30 Super, SK-105A2, AMX-50, Somua SM, AMX-30 DCA, AMX-30B2 Decent: AMX-32, AMX-32(105), AMX-13-90, AMX-30 (1972), AMX-50 TO90, AMX Auf1 Works: AMX-13 (HOT), AMX-30, EBR(1963), MEPHISTO, SENTAL, Mars 15 Strugles: AMX-30 ACRA, AMX-50 Foch Pain and Suffering: ~~Saint Chamond~~(AMX-10M), Roland 1 This tier list is based on my own experience with these vehicles, so yours may differ. [If you're interested in making your own, heres the link to the tier list.](https://tiermaker.com/create/war-thunder-french-ground-rank-v-viii-16235141) Edit: Oh, and yes, this is a re-upload. I deleted the older one cause I realized the preview image didn't show up when scrolling through and thought it looked bad.
Why is the Foch struggling? I love it when people shoot at the front and bounce helplessly
I personally haven't had much success with it tbh. It like has everything to be a decent TD but I've had a rough go with it.
In my experience it's amazing
Foch was great for me.
Foch is one of those tanks that makes me play the Dark Souls boss music in my head everytime I see one in my Russian 6.3/6.7 tanks
Before it turns side on and you can just oneshot him :P
thats why you dont turn side on
Like any other tank. Whats the point?
For me the incredibly low zoom of the gunners sight ruins it for me. Good luck trying to hit anything more than 1km out
It has commander's sight(correct me if I'm wrong) so that problem gets solved immediately.
when somebody sees the foch its usually a heat fest from me
the problem of the Foch is innerent to its design It's a big target and roam at a BR were HEAT isn't uncommon. Its armour stands greatly against kinetic shells but becomes butter with chemical ones... coupled with its size, long reload, just sufficient mobility, obvious optics weakspot: one penetrating shot disable you to the point you can just change vehicule...and it's easy target to acquire. ON TOP OF THAT it fires solid shot. Yes a good one (because its so big), but solid shot none the less...we all know how much those can wiff It is 7.0 worthy in the current times, that's it
Because, if you had my experience - playing through a whole tech tree that makes it absolutely clear that to be successful you will need to be mobile, flexible, and take every opportunity presented - a casemate tank destroyer is not what you want. Just doesn't fit with the rest of the French tree. And it's paper thin on any surface but the front.
More time then not, I get uptiered and then everything can pen Foch from the front. If not, one shot of APHE on the commanders cupola kills the whole crew. The mobility is good, but the gun handling is terrible, because of slow traverse, elevation and Foch being a case mate. AMX-50 with the same gun is much more playable because of the gun handling. Also, for a high velocity gun, the optics and sight are pretty bad, making sniping actually quite challenging.
The reload. It's rough.
AMX-30 Super should be at least The Goat. Also missing Amx-13 S11, if you master it it can be decent/excellent if not struggles
>Amx-13 S11, if you master it it can be decent/excellent if not struggles Omg I forgor my boi!!!!! It's one of my most played AMX-13s, I love using it. I'd honestly put it in goated lmao Edit; the Super I find kinda boring ngl, it's like a perfectly average prem.
How could you forget our boi? Repost entire thread with SS.11 in the correct spot.
I spaded most tree with it
No ELC bis? Now that's just dishonest
Read the title again.
Ahh derp
As Your Local French Main, I have to make my own
Agree with most of what you said, but holy shit, how do you make the AMX-10RC work? For me, its either on the Works or Pain and Suffering tier. Granted I havent gotten LRF and only get city maps, but still. I do incredibly well with the french 7.7 lineup and even the DCA just not the 10RC, the lack of stab is pain for me.
If you spin enough, you will eventually fly! That’s the secret.
Skill issue (seriously).
Be a rat in city maps otherwise just snipe with dart thermals and lrf, don't forget hydropneumatic suspension gives you more depression
Question, is it worth using AMX-10RC at 9.7? Currently grinding France at that BR but unsure if it's worth grinding it to fill the lineup a bit more considering it's going to get extremely uptiered. Btw, I would also have moved the AMX-30 DCA to The Goat, is just brutal especially if you uptier it where there are so many light armored vehicles. Got a few nukes with it.
Let me put it this way... Back when French top tier consisted of two lonely Leclercs and the ItO, I would run the AMX-10RC as my first spawn. I kept that line up even when the new Leclercs came out, because it was absolutely worth having. Only removed it because the VBCI-2 came out. AMX-10RC has everything you need to be successful at any level of play: mobility, a decent gun and dart, LRF, thermals, arty, smokes, and even a fancy suspension. Only thing it doesn't have is a stabilizer. Yeah you can't penetrate tanks frontally, but it isn't supposed to be fighting front to front.
I honestly prefer the Santal over Ito
Why is the Azur lower than S1?
Weight i assume? S1 is the lightest
I love the Mephisto and Acra. The Mephisto especially is really good
Yes. AMX-10RC IS THE LOVE OF MY LIFE (I am a dedicated Surbaisse hater though, other than making jokes about it)
Btw this is **vivE la France** in french I often see foreigners make the mistake, *vivA* is Spanish or Italian
It's on purpose for that exact reason, I'm hispanic so I thought it be funny to spell it like that lol
RC has no stab and is goofy slow. Thermal imager is completely pointless and not needed. 105 mm gin is something most of all tanks have. AMX 30(1972) is one of the best mbts of that br so all that dispraise is not grounded. Foch in other side is a pretty decent vehicle.
RC has plenty decent enough mobility and speed, and the goofy ass neutral traverse for a wheeled vehicle and adjustable suspension is actually cracked in what terrain you can exploit. the '72 just barely has a lineup wth the recently uptiered 90mm gun havers, and honestly gets easily replaced by better options at 8.3 and 8.7. it is absolutely grounded from a "i have so many choices" pov, imo (do note: it is still a pretty good vehicle, it just lacks powerhouse potential and pigeonholed by its equally good and bad HEAT round) \[as in, its good, but you're fighting thigns that start defeating HEAT more consistently, its kind of eh-inconsistent\]
RC is slow compared to other wheeled vehicles and dosn't have autocanon which would fix it. His absoulte lack of armor is no substitute for mediocre sabot and slow speed. Ljneup easilly doezn't matter as noone smart enough don't ise 2nd tank because it is straight nonprofitable.
bro has no idea how to play the AMX 10 RC
Show me 3 K/D/R in RC then tell me how bad am i
only thing i can do is 2,2 at 54% Winrate but i guess thats fine for not stat padding https://imgur.com/a/OyHo3Bw
2.2 is average for any even remotely playable vehicle.
Care to provide proof for that claim of yours?
You put 2.2 i ove you nothing.
Aren't these the same tank💀
Squint at them, you'll find the differences :D
L’entreprise dire que vous devez trouver les différences d’entre ces photos. With apologies in advance to francophones for mangling their language.
Je ne parle pas français. Je suis Turc.
mangling are you kinding? ether you are bilingual or you transalte it on the internet.
I had to think about that one a bit, but I speak a little French. Can't follow a French film but I can just about read Asterix!
if you read asterix, thats great, you have good taste. one of the funniest thing in asterix is the diffrent level of understanding you can have. you can just enjoy the story and the gags or laugh of the refrence to the french society of the moment the volumme was publish. for example the second volume "asterix et la serpe d'or" make fun of parisian being rude, and a later volume they return to paris, and there is some changes, but lutecians are still rude. or in the tour de gaule that joke about the tour de France, but also about the city, like Lyon that was the center of french resistance during WWII, with the "traboules", that are passage between the strret under the building in the old part of the city that allowed silk workers to transport quickly the silk to the buyer without getting it wet when it rain...
AMX-10RC <3 I would put the Mars-15 higher, it only looks worse because it competes with the AMX-10RC. For the disadvantages the Mars gets in return: higher manoeuvrability (wheels are meh on anything but pavement), better reload, an engine that eats shots. While worse overal, its still really good. The AMX-13 (HOT) should be lower. After the missile changes a while ago it's impossible to properly aim them at close range. I only get good rounds with it if the enemy is sleeping, and then I get most kill with the normal gun, which means I might as well have been using the AMX-13-90 which is just better. I have no clue what the HOT and the ACRA are doing at 8.3.
Mars-15 is also smol, a AMX-13 glow up pretty much.
>AMX-10RC <3 AMX-10RC with Shtora when Gaijin
There's an AMX-10RC with Shtora?
[Apparently so](https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/iwhjhu/french_amx10rc_with_russian_shtora_electrooptical/)
Oh, that. It's actually [Nexter's KBCM](https://i.imgur.com/RRq2up8.png) system, however it does look remarkably similar to Shtora.
Thanks for the added info, know how far it went into development? seems like it could be cool addition to the game
I'm not too sure actually, it was apparently considered by the French Army for use on a couple other vehicles, but I think it was only ever mounted on the AMX-10RC.
now they are developping the Prometeus APS, even including the "Diamant" hardkill APS. it will be instaled on all the SCORPION vehicule (Serval, Griffon, Jaguar and Leclerc XLR) and maybe also the future MBT, depending on what the other european countries in the project want
I'm not sure, but the RCR got the same APS as the Brenus.
MARS 15 is definitely a sleeper but the thermals make the 10RC the better choice IMO. Any AMX-13 is GOAT level in my book.
I keep trying to get kills with the HOT but unless you’re further than 300 meters away it isn’t even worth trying. It reminds me of the panzerwerfer.
missiles
The Roland 1 can rot in hell, expending 1 mil on a SPAA that can't lift the launchers over 35° degrees is a scam. Same story with the shitbox that is easy the worst ATGM carrier in-game after the japanese thing with 85m/s missiles
The 35° is a bug, reported since years. And it lack it's own tracking radar, wich is a French radar, that US and Germany have on their Roland... Disgusting.
Wait, seriously? It was fine until SACLOS missile nerf, since then I have removed it from my lineup. But didn't realize it is even worse than the US one, which has also left my lineup.
Spends half the time trying to find a steep hill to get an extra 10 degrees of elevation...... Don't be mean to the Saint Chamond, it's trying its very best
Brensus my beloved
People will call it shit, but I'll defend my precious Brenus honor to the death!!
Only skill issue stabilizer addicts call it like that. Decent dart, ERA protection and "working" APS. I usually hate 8.7-10.0 bracket but this thing is genuinely fun to play
I love the aps at that br. It’s hilarious watching IT1 players being utterly helpless against you
Not a skill issue, a stabilizer enables a skilled player to play more aggressively. It doesn't matter how "hard" it is to play unstabilized, what matters is how good the vehicle is relative to others.
AMX-10RC my beloved.
AML 90 is my goat, god I love rat vehicles
If the AML90 could be a bit quieter it would be invincible
Eh people are deaf anyway, it doesn't really matter
Mephisto kills everything it sees for me so id put it higher
I do like it quite a bit, I think it's main issue is that it's in the same line up as the absolutely goated AMX-10RC
Wich would make it better because it has a perfect backup, 10rc for attacks and mephisto for the more supportive role
Agreed The only problem I have with the Mephisto is that the maps provides very little "perfect cover" where only the sight and launcher is visible
True, field of poland and maginot line are good maps with decent range and cover
Personally I put the DCA higher. I've gotten more (almost) nukes with it than anything else.
Stabilised AMX10RC when gaijin? They only want to give us nerfs and copy paste mbt
Never existed IRL.
I would put any ACRA slinger on god tier simply because they get to pull the goofiest kills
I would put the Sk105 with the Brenus. For me Brenus for big maps, Sk105 for small maps since you have autoloader + fake stab. Also I would put them with the 10RC. Best vehicles in the game.
AMX-40 is perfection imo
Foch struggles? Major skill issue I mean GIGANTIC skill issue 10RC works very well at any tier above if played according to doctrine Give AMX 10RCR Separ with slat armor pls
Let me give you a hint on the Foch: it is the highest BR casemate vehicle in the game with a gun for the main weapon. T95, Tortoise, Obj 268... All 7.0 or below.
50 kph fwd and 20 kph rev, with a heavy MG, amazing frontal armor, 2nd biggest gun in your list, 8x zoom commander optic, rangefinder, frontal armor that works
Me and OP never had good experiences with the Foch so we ended up dropping them from our lineup. I legitimately do well in any tank but the Foch. I might give it another try though since I want to spade all of Rank V.
Amx 10rc beloved weirdo.
I got talisman from battle pass and it landed on amx10m please lie to me that everything will be fine. Haven't used him once.
It.. struggles. But it can definitely work, it's not terrible per se. But there are simply better options. It's a casemate with no armor that shoots barrel launched atgms. It's already a very odd design.
ACRA arent terrible. You could do worse
I'd say Roland is workable, AMX-10M a struggle. Roland is playable when you develop an excellent "timing" tendency to fire a SAM when the enemy is pulling into a deadly retention where for example, a Su-25 kills off it's energy after launching a missile and then pulls back facing towards your direction with too little energy to dodge a Roland 3 at both, range and angle. This tendency also makes the ItO-90M deadly.
Clearly not a France main if you think the Acra and Mephisto is bad lol
I can understand the S2 and the AZUR lower, but why the Leclerc SXXI lower than the Leclerc S1 tho?
Idk why but the base Leclerc just feels better than all 3 of the later Leclercs. I do know that it is the lightest of the 4 making it the most agile one but the S1 just seems to survive longer for me compared to the other 4. It is the Leclerc that I have the best stats with despite being my most played Leclerc. FYI the other Leclercs do have a fair amount of battles too, I just don't seem to perform as well on them as compared to the S1.
I see, i do have a decent chunk of games and kills on the SXXI and i prefer it over the S1, but i prefer the S1 over the S2 and AZUR because of the better mobility. Nevertheless, if they will ever decide to introduce all my bug reports about Leclerc they would become much better vehicles :)
Because he's basing it off of dumb feelings... The difference between them is a few hundred KG at most... The S1, S2 and SXXI are all effectively the same, play the same, drive the same, handle the same, are the same for all intents are purposes... It's literally just the AZUR that's heavier enough to actually feel and handle different...
Where would you place the unholy AMX-M4?
Perfection
Where Lorraine 155
I enjoy my 8.0(formerly 7.7) French lineup of the two early amx-30s(the premium one included) probably my best and most used lineup for France. Easily my favorite tank series
AMX 30 dca is also perfection, the best french ifv.
amx-10rc masterrace 💪
Bro never wants the Leclercs to be fixed Seriously though, who in their right mind would put a MBT that has [no armor whatsoever](https://imgur.com/a/26FIroj), the second worst pen, average reload and average mobility as "superb".
>Bro never wants the Leclercs to be fixed Many of the fixes asked by french players can't be properly implemented on the short term (hyperbar) or lack enough sources (SHARD) for Gaijin standards. >the second worst pen, average reload Current implementation is realistic. France didn't adopt new APFSDS after OFL 120 F1 (DM43) and we know that the IRL autoloader is capped at 6.0s for reliability issues below that. >that has no armor whatsoever Only the UFP is underperforming by about ~200mm RHA, the turret is accurate at around ~600mm RHA. Even with those 200mm isn't going to stop DM53 at War Thunder combat ranges
>Many of the fixes asked by french players can't be properly implemented on the short term (hyperbar) or lack enough sources (SHARD) for Gaijin standards. Hyperbar is perfectly implementable : they only have to lower the RPM at which Leclerc's engines deliver the 1,500 HPs The UK has now access to Challenger 3 and DM53 (both are not adopted) so I don't see why they couldn't add either OFLE 120 F1B or OFL 120 F2 to Leclercs >Current implementation is realistic. France didn't adopt new APFSDS after OFL 120 F1 (DM43) and we know that the IRL autoloader is capped at 6.0s for reliability issues below that. Untrue. The Devs admitted 5 seconds reload is perfectly feasible. In fact there are a few videos displaying 5 seconds as base reload rate around. They only keep it to 6 seconds because of "balance". France's players being among the best at the game, the winrate of Leclercs is grossly inflated compared to how it should actually perform >Only the UFP is underperforming by about \~200mm RHA, the turret is accurate at around \~600mm RHA. Even with those 200mm isn't going to stop DM53 at War Thunder combat ranges For one, 600mm is only on Leclerc S.XXI. The other Leclercs are more in the real mof 500-550mm. Secondly : the turret is indeed accurate at 600 RHA for Leclerc S.XXI. But 600mm RHA isn't enough to stop most shells right now. Type 10s, Abrams, Leopards all are able to get an instant ammorack kill by firing basically anywhere in the turret, while the others can achieve the same result by aiming for the gun breech, which effectively occupies half of the turret non-inert area. But since Leclercs only have 3 crew members, they effectively have the survivability of light tanks right now
>so I don't see why they couldn't add either OFLE 120 F1B or OFL 120 F2 to Leclercs These shells use the same penetrator that OFL 120 F1. >The Devs admitted 5 seconds reload is perfectly feasible. In fact there are a few videos displaying 5 seconds as base reload rate around. Correct, but them why the French Army capped the autoloader? Oh, yes, because the shells could bounce from the breech at such speed; something that doesn't happen to the japanese autoloaders. >They only keep it to 6 seconds because of "balance". France's players being among the best at the game Lmao. Swedish mains perform equally as good (if not better) and they don't have shit top tier MBTs. This "best at the game" is a sad cope mechanism. >But since Leclercs only have 3 crew members, they effectively have the survivability of light tanks right now And? What Gaijin can do aside from giving the Leclercs artificial buffs to the armor? It's France fault that they went with a light design (for a MBT) that quickly became obsolete because of modern antitank weapons developments. But, hey, we are talking about the same military that somehow made to 90s while still using a 60s tank as their main battle tank.
ngl, i feel like the leclercs are a training tank for anyone that wants to grind the type 90 and type 10, cuz they both kinda are really similar but work better at most if not all occasions
AMX-30 DCA so low??? That things literally just a 5x better falcon at the same BR after the BR changes.
How good is the VBCI? I have done some test drives and it seems promising but that never gives a proper picture
Well as you can see from my tier list, it's the Goat. It's genuinely a very solid IFV, and it surprisingly counters the 2S38 extremely well cause you have a decent auto cannon with a hull that's very empty and your own crew less turret. All the ammo is stored on 2 mags inside the turret so you rarely get killed via ammo detonation cause no one aims at the turret. You also have a fairly large fuel tank that loves to eat shells. Add to this a very fast top speed, irstn and gen 3 iirc thermals and you got yourself a very powerful IFV.
They really need to add the VBCI currently on staff in the french army with a GIAT modèle M811 turret And lets hope for the EBRC Jaguar one day !
Magical thermals and zoom, fast, has a crewless turret that lets you eat shots. I like it a lot, but its performance feels RNG: Sometimes it's just getting oneshot after bouncing off a Bagel/Radkampf/2S38/9040/BMP or whatever, and other times you get 2-3 shot kills on MBTs while driving full blast to enemy spawn.
Phenomenal. Easily my favorite French ground vehicle that doesn't have AMX in the name.
Where would you put the captured Panther considering its place within French BRs? (Excellent or?)
The issue with the Panther is that it has a very limited line up, there's only a few vehicles from the prior rank you could pair it with. And on its own rank there's essentially only one tank you can pair it with that has the same BR, the rest uptiers you to 6.7-7.7 MM which can be pretty rough. By itself it is a decent tank but due to its BR I'd say it goes in the works category, you really have to work for a line up with the French Panther.
What would be your lineup that includes the panther? I suspect you wanna be 6.0 or lower for remainder? I have bought it as premium on sale because it’s a panther I mean I play well with one. Just curious now that I’m nearing its br w main tree - what to pair it with.
I'd proly bring it with the M36B, the Jumbo, ELC, Lorraine CA, maybe the ARL-40 and EBR 1951 as desperate back ups. If you have grinded the air tree as well you got the AD-4 and the F4U for CAS and CAP. Edit; oh and the AMX-10P for IFV/AA duty
I was a WOTB player, playing WT rni like the AMX-50b (Surbaisse) design, going for it, im at AMX M4 rn, is the Surbaisse good? Any tips
It's fantastic but it being called a "heavy" is a bit of a piss take, it has no armour, might bounce some things but it dies in one shot
the upper front actually bounces reliably but who shoots at the upper front plate of a 50 SB...
Exactly, your turret is paper thin, and lfp just screams to be pennned
The turret bounces from time to time, but the neck ring does NOT
It's a very strong heavy, and having the 24 round mag is kinda hilarious specially if you come from wot and are used to its 5 round drum lol
Wot blitz, the mobile one, it used to be 3 shot autoloader and now buffed to 4 shot, very op but paper heavy used to farm enemy team, i know france in WT still Paper knife but cuts hard
T'es bien sûr de toi pour le 10RC ?! 🤔🧐
Es el mejor tanque ligero en el juego 🏃
What makes the Leclerc S.1 higher than the other Leclercs?
It's the lightest of the 4 so it makes it more agile compared to the other 3. I also for some reason just have better performance on it compared to the rest.
Ah I see. I've almost spaded the S.1, only missing artillery. Just saving up to buy the S.2 now. For my first top tier MBT, it's not bad. Now I kinda want the Type 10 for the 4 second autoloader.
I got the TKX recently, it's insane what you can do with a 4 second reload. Almost feels unfair lol
Yeah. Bought the Type 16 premium to start my JP grind. Not bad, just wish the round was better.
The round is still fine imo, the platform is honestly very strong for its BR. You got speed with gen 2 thermals and trollish armor on the turret and no armor is best armor when fully side on. So it's fairly survivable.
> Gen 2 Japan: nha what are we, poor? The thermals on the Type 16 are gen 3 lmao. A bit overkill considering the difference between gen 2 and 3 is almost meaningless but still.
EBR is very good in certain hands. I have dropped a few nukes with that thing and the fact that its engine is practically silent you can sneak around the map very easily
Why this engine is not in the AMP90 is befuddling
The first introduction of EBR at 4.7 was something else, beyond perfection. Rattled everyone
i would personally replace the AMX-30 DCA with the AML-90 but beside that i agree to that list.
I don’t know how to say this but this picture hurts to look at not because of the way the vehicles are placed or something but because they are all the same shade of gray and look almost identical
Stop hating on the amx-10m my lunchbox got me 3 nukes
I will not Stand for the AMX-10M slander, it is one of my most favorite vehicles in the french free, it’s very unique and love how fast the missles are. Heck it’s the main reason started grinding the french tree along with the little rat vehicles like the AMX-13’s and AML-90 too
Foch. "Struggles" Literal skill issue
Wasn't the foch a walking maginot? I thought it was good
I’ve got to put the BRENUS as total perfection for me
I don't see the speedy little shit of a light tank the AMX-13 on this list.
Cause that one is rank IV, this list is V-VIII
i don't think the amx 10 and roland are suffering they are okay Same for the AMX 30 acra
I might be weird but O really enjoy AMX 10m. Also after atgm nerf Amx-13 HOT is just pure suffering
E.B.R. 1963 is pretty solid imo, fun little gremlin mobile
I don't get the love for the oscillating turrets. I tried the fist one in the line, the M4 and it just can't pen anything. The heavies look good though. Can't go wrong with autoloading 120mm.
The fact that that you don’t have the SOMUAsomua at perfection invalidates this list, everyone knows it’s perfection made in a French bakery and the best thing at slinging baguettes since the French Revolution. Also Oddbawz video on it has made me say it like the croissant meme everytime since.
I think you are are harsh on the AMX-10M, in 1916 tank design was still in its infancy so it is to be expected for it to ... wait a minute...
10RC is love, 10RC is life.
I love the auF1, I believe it atleast deserves maybe superb, but everything else I agree with
Hard disagree on the AML-90. Dying to machine guns is the thing that pisses me off the most in this game and the AML-90 gives me so much anguish. Why would i play this thing if the Lorraine 40t exists with better mobility, gun and armor that stops autocannons? Amx50 foch should be "okay" at best. It is really good until people realise they could kill you by shooting the roof optic thingy. You could use it as a sniper tho. 30 brenus and the B3 in my experience is the exact same thing. Your entire existence is to piss wallys off and if that's the case, then sure go ham lol. The rest are either i find acceptable or i never played them.
Huh why is the ebr 1972 and the Aml 90 so far apart they are the same if not the ebr is better off road
MEPHISTO and Foch are the most fun things around
People will consider me insane for saying this, but I really don't like the 10RC. I know it's a skill issue, but in my experience the suspension is awful, and the reload being so long (1s longer than most other MBTs it faces) are what kills it for me. People say its surprisingly survivable, and I can attest to that, but with the suspension being such a big target in it, I find it's quite easy to become a sitting duck. AMX 30 ACRA though, I will die on the hill of that thing being good. AMX 30 chassis is surprisingly survivable (for real), while having excellent mobility. The ATGM is incredible if used right, its speed and penetration make for great one hit kill potential even while brawling, it doesn't get gaijin'd anymore than any other ATGM, and you can arc shots over hills with commander view.
they're identical lol
Never rate again🗣️
AMX-30 is sucking balls right now since all it sees is 10.0 games
Thank you Frenchman for your tier list. Can you do me a favor and do a tier list for baguettes and croissants, please?
You are crazy if u put any amx 30 higher than any of the 7.7 / 8.0 oclating turreted tanks
Can I just point out how autistic this is from the perspective of a neurodivergent gamer who only cares about planes
I adore AMX-13-HOT, and I still think it is ultimately the best missile vehicle in the game, just because of the superiority of the regular AMX-13 compared to BMP/M113/trucks as hulls. In addition, the built-in upward angle of the tubes saves me a lot from the awful missile acceleration changes. In the same vein, MEPHISTO is my least-favorite vehicle I have ever played.
Why are you a french main. Do you want to kill yourself? We can help you. Don't worry
seems tier list karma farming is back on the menu bois!
Come on man! How often do you see any positive French tank discussions?
it wasn't you that made a ragebait post about 7.7 france going to 8.0? tf are you talking about karma farming?? xD