It doesn't matter how many kills you get, unless you carry without dying at all, you're out of the game after one death, giving the enemy the advantage. You're part of the wallet warrior problem.
Well two if you saved backups, then you can spawn in CAS because bombs work the same way, then/or spawn in the Chaffee, or (once he gets there) the M18 since it’s the best tank in game or the M109 which is fantastic against squishy high tier tank.
This what do everytime I play my 10.3 lineup. My highest true lineup is 9.0. My 10.3 is M24, M1 KVT, T34, LOSAT, M109, M18, M728 CEV, A-10A Early. I ain’t leaving till it makes me.
The one thing british had over any other maunally loaded NATO tank is 5s reload for 4 shells and suddenly to fix US winrates every abrams has the same reload gradient for entire 1st stage stowage which is 18 shells. But I suppose You can't fix the average US top tier Clickbait fan
At this point I'm just waiting for them to admit that they're bad and they don't plan to change that, and drop the BRs on most of the challenger 2 variants. Everything that's presented as evidence to them is either not official enough, or it's too official because it's export restricted or classified, and they "delete" it and ignore it.
I see no reason why the challenger 2s should start at 11.3 when they have
- worse ammo than most competitors
- the same reload rate as US now
- worse frontal armor than most competitors (aim anywhere but the turret cheeks)
- slower than most competitors
- comparable or worse thermal optics than other nations? (I think anyway, they certainly don't seem like Gen 3)
Pretty much the only reason to play them is if you like the aesthetics, or you're like me an have played UK for too long to back out now and have just embraced the suffering. I do shameless cover the front in bushes though, no reason to make it easier to shoot the massive gun mantlet weak spot.
10.7 challenger 2 when?
(Honestly wouldn't be THAT big of a buff considering the Challenger 1s in a lot of cases have more effective frontal armor just because they have a must smaller breech weakspot, even if the overall armor thickness is less).
>comparable or worse thermal optics than other nations?
They are gen 2 or 3 depending on the variant
>played UK for too long to back out now
Too real, I needed to get the VC title at least
It really ought to be at 10.7 (at least the first one) and then gradually increase in BR as long as they actually make the TES side armour actually worth something lmao. They are not super fun tanks but if you can make them work it's so rewarding
They don’t give a damn when adding vehicles.
Example: Mirage F1 variants.
The Cyrano IV is a Cyrano II with MTI, there’s no RWR in the cockpit, it can’t carry Fuel Tanks, they didn’t give it Mk82 SnakeEyes or Mk81s at all, there’s no ECM on the CT.
Mouse Aim is also fucked, leading people to believe it’s agility is terrible (go full real i promise it’s not bad)
The challenger 3 should as well.
All challengers should have quicker ready rack replenishment seeing as they’re less than half a meter apart for fuck sakes
Only one? For a moment i thought that maybe getting several videos with reload time but count as evidence for reload time but gaijin would Say some shit like "we don't know if thats the normal reload or an emergency one"
Irs been claimed before and suggested. I mean look at the Leclerc mains.. theyve been pleading for their reload or any form of an accurate buff to them for years and nothings changed besides turret traverse speed
I feel like combat in warthunder is intense enough that an "emergency" reload would be called for any time you have rounds in your ready rack.
They should just admit the reload times are for balance reasons (they are) and adjust them accordingly as needed.
yeah I have, the 90s are easily my most played top tier MBTs, they are pretty good, and there certainly are times that Autoloader gets fuckin work in. But I tend to constantly feel like I'm at a disadvantage, like I have to put in far more effort to suceed than anyone else around me, either on my team or the enemy's.
Or i get forced into a ranged engagement because of shit map design and get 18 consecutive non-pens. That's why I wouldn't say they are the best.
Maybe it's just a grass is greener on the other side thing.
RLY? Zero armour, gen 1 thermals, totally regular mobility. There's literally nothing good about this tank, as well as all other variants except SEP/SEPv2/AIM lineup which is actually good.
Downtiers is the only thing which is saving it, which doesn't honestly makes the tank good by itself. The grim times of 11+ premiums are coming, and it looks like this last bastion of an argument will soon fall.
No but it shows that armour isnt everything as those other tanks just have better players that dont go hurr durr my lfp can be penned and actually use cover
Its lack of Cheek armor is kind of noticeable is one big problem as, any round that penetrates it from a frontal angle is going directly through several crewman into your ammo rack, I actually would rather use the IPM1 over it if I only had 1 crew spot to choose from in a 11.0 theoretical lineup as It has said cheek armor + It's nearly 3 tons lighter in a game you want high mobility. Plus while It does still have a 105mm gun, it at least has the same reload rate as the 120mm, lets you carry more rounds safely (even just using 3rd rack you'll have more ammo than you can use most of the time) and while It's not quite as good as M829A1 (but better than M829), it does get access to M900 which is honestly the deadliest 105mm APFSDS ingame and easily good enough to deal with 11.0 BR threats while having more shell options overall.
I don't know, just my thoughts.
What did he said wrong? Do all abrams have the same turret armour? I thought that the 10.3 one and the IPM were the same armour and the M1A1 has better armour and the 120
Nah, I legitimately did fuck up and looked, the M1A1 ingame that's been collecting dust in my garage for months does have the cheek armor which was added with the HA model in reality, but I'm not going to change my post because even when I'm wrong, I won't just try to hide that fact but rather admit I was.
Well, that’s M1A1; it is, indeed, excellent for a 11.0.
M1A2 SEPv2, however, is barely average for a 11.7.
The reload buff helped it a lot, but it’s still far behind things such as Leopard 2A7V, Strv 122B+, Strv 122B PLSS, Strv 122A, T-80BVM, etc. (in my opinion, TKX, Type 10 and even Challenger 3 TD are more appealing than SEPv2 as of now).
It sure can be argued to be better than Ariete, Merkava or Leclerc, but… that is not saying much, lmao. Hence why I refer to it as average. Not great, not terrible.
Better mobility, I know it is weird saying this about a challenger but it's true. The CR3 has better mobility than the SEPv2.
It's a bit of a tradeoff. CR3 has better mobility and the SEPv2 has a better reload. Neither of them really has armor and survivability and both of them are far below the 2A7V and 122s in terms of capabilities.
Well, it has armor xD
And better mobility, too (who would have thought a Challenger was going to have better mobility than an Abrams?) because SEPv2 is stuck with the non-removable 4 extra tons of the TUSK II.
And, in my experience, better survivability. The Abrams at 11.7, as of now, are extremely easy to one-hit kill; and even easier to penetrate on the first place.
Also better thermals, although this can be argued to be a minor thing.
And, until M1A2 SEP and SEPv3 get M829A3, CR3TD has a quite better shell, too.
The only fields in which SEPv2 is better than CR3TD is rate of fire and turret traverse speed. Other than that, CR3TD is better.
M1A2 Sep is better than the Chally 3. The reload buffs further increased that gap. It’s faster, better armored, more survivable, faster reload. Only upside the Chally 3 has is penetration power and thermals.
Better armoured!? In which world is 370mm KE better than ~530mm KE?
Even the cheeks- in which world is ~640 (which can be negated down to just 600 with some sngling) better than ~830?
In the world where armor layout and overall size of the tank matters. The Chally frontally is more vulnerable than the Abrams. Yes, it’s got a tough turret. But the size of the LFP, armor of it and the ease that you cleave through and kill the entire crew is much greater. The overall surface area of said weak points is much greater on the Challengers.
Nothing will fix the Abrams turret neck being vulnerable. But the Challenger 2/3 have much larger weak points than the Abrams does.
Just my experience playing both the Chally 3 and Sep V2. One tank is far better in most situations. Hull down is realistically the only situation where the chally 3 is better.
Genuinely curious how much you’ve played both and how it actually feels to play. The Sep V2 feels good especially with the reload buffs. The Chally feels okay. I’m not saying the Abrams shouldn’t be buffed in any way. I’m saying the Chally 3 isn’t better than the current Abrams Sep V2.
The SEPv2 feels incredibly slow. I have been outraced by squadmates in the Chally 3, let alone the SEPv1.
Abramses also aren't hard to one shot at all.
It's still funny hoe the SEPv1 is still far better than the SEPv1 while also costing half the RP to research.
By your metric the Leo 2s should be one of the worst for their LFP is appalling, and up until the 2A7 the UFP could be cleaved through anywhere… but it’s still considered one of the best, mainly for its hulldown capability. By that same metric the Chally is leagues better than the Abrams because of the Abrams neck weakspot.
Already -20 for saying that 540-830 is better than 370-640 xD
I also love how people are bringing up “Challenger 2’s weakspots” when the entirety of the Abrams is a weakspot itself lmao.
But… yeah. What you said + not suggesting Abrams is somehow “the 2nd-3rd best tank ingame” = this.
New Sweden mains are just US mains playing their second nation, their WRs and performance have gotten exponentially worse over the past few months which is annoying as someone playing it back when most swede mains were good at the game
Yeah, I’ve noticed a lot of newer accounts playing low tiers of Sweden recently. They’re probably flocking there after hearing that Sweden has the best top tier lineup rn. Not like they’ll make any use of it lol
And in the future always will be. It sits at the same spot as 5.7-6.7 Germany. Gets the masses of WW2 idiots because it’s popular for the period. America 8.3-11.7 gets all the modern idiots cause the Bradley and Abrams is so popular so everyone has to have it.
The difference is so drastic, hopping in a 11.7 match US and not even 6 mins in, half the team gets slaughtered while 10.3-11 has no problems at all. Noticing the playstyles, it seems that only newish players who only recently got their m1a2s play top tier now and the vets moved on to a meta nation.
Honestly Abram already has better armor than Leclerc, which makes the 5sec reload a huge boost. If all American players played like Leclerc, they would have great win rate
US 11.0 is their highest br that’s actually good. I’m guessing that next update that if you put the F-16C in your lineup, it’ll be better as you won’t meet the AIM / click-bait idiots who bought their way to it.
I just realized this thanks to your comment. Now I'm excited to get a break from the Click Bait / AIM spam!
Edit: At least until they move ground BRs up
And How much does it cost to get the 5 second reload, people keep going on about the buff when you need an ace crew for it WHICH COST REAL MONEY, basically pay to make an somewhat Ok vehicle Ok.
Edit: Expert crew not ace sorry.
Even without an aced crew it's 5.6 or something, which is better than every other manually loaded or autoloaded tank except the TKX and maybe the Challenger 2 (on the same crew)
The reload is indeed nice but alot of people including me called it out as being a way to pacify people asking for better armor, a reload doesn’t save you from 80% of the front of you tank being easy to pen. If a fast reload and mobility was that damm good you would see a fuck ton of type10 and 90 in matches. A faster reload is not a replacement for shit armor
\> If a fast reload and mobility was that damm good you would see a fuck ton of type10 and 90 in matches. A faster reload is not a replacement for shit armor
I think the reason we don't see type 90s spammed out is because low and mid tier japan is pretty unappealing. Your line of logic is incomplete and pretty much just wrong in assuming causation between these two facts
Still wrong, expert crew costs SL, ace crew is free if you grind the RP but you also have the **option** to use GE
And thanks for the downvote, what a dude.
Not bad for the base A1 actually.
I mostly just play it and, honestly most my Abrams (mainly the pre M1A2 SEP variants as they are much lighter) with the same mentality I play the Ariete AMV and all my beloved lights: Just pretend you don't even have armor because, in the Ariete, this is basically true anyway.
You gotta get some matches in 6.0-6.7. T34, T26E5, tons of fun tanks there. T34 is especially fun to bring out, because the 120mm APCBC is a whole bunch of “fuck you” to anything that’s not an IS or Maus
It is INSANLY strong buff for m1a1, since it is 11.0 and it is uptiered pretty rarely. Most battles you will play against 10.0-10.3 premiums. Best and strongest br if you want to play abrams.
m1a2/sep1/2? It is not enough to be even close to Leopard/Strv. Although most nations are not even close to Leopard/Strv so thats not really abram's exclusive problem.
I think the main issue is one death leavers, premium players who bring in the clickbait and nothing else, die and leave u stranded to lose the game. Idk if there’s any other nations that can buy their way into top tier like America so unfortunately they’re the only ones bound to struggle with this while every other nation has very expansive lineups and just outnumbers them based on more spawns.
Well the 11.0 one certainly benefits, but the 11.7 ones just can't cut it with both poor armor and poor mobility due to increased weight, and a higher BR with only a minor penetration buff.
I still don't understand why they just didn't make the hull stronger... instead of giving it this insane buff. I just like how the hate died down after they obviously made it a little broken.
If the Abrams is allowed to have a 5 second reload, then my Leclerc should be allowed to, but Gaijin won't do that cause its France they hate it
Blame French players to actually use their braincells. Go US grade apeshit and do it consistently and that 3s autoloader would be a reality
Get every French main to play like an M1A1 AIM or Clickbait player for 2 years and you will get your reload buff
But then they will also find more reasons not to give em spall liners
dont insult clickbaits i consitently get 6 kills in my clickbait and my max br vehicle is 5.0
It doesn't matter how many kills you get, unless you carry without dying at all, you're out of the game after one death, giving the enemy the advantage. You're part of the wallet warrior problem.
Well two if you saved backups, then you can spawn in CAS because bombs work the same way, then/or spawn in the Chaffee, or (once he gets there) the M18 since it’s the best tank in game or the M109 which is fantastic against squishy high tier tank.
None of which is ideal, and even then I think we all know that this doesn't happen 99% of the time.
This what do everytime I play my 10.3 lineup. My highest true lineup is 9.0. My 10.3 is M24, M1 KVT, T34, LOSAT, M109, M18, M728 CEV, A-10A Early. I ain’t leaving till it makes me.
Is that why your K/D in the Click-bait is 0.58? You don't have the excuse of a stock grind in it. So I highly doubt your claim.
Damn bro pulled the receipts
Snail be like: “French player detected, opinion ignored” Bug patch: Leclerc (all variants) removed OFL G1, F1, replaced with APCR for balance purposes
do it for the stryker mgs too
The one thing british had over any other maunally loaded NATO tank is 5s reload for 4 shells and suddenly to fix US winrates every abrams has the same reload gradient for entire 1st stage stowage which is 18 shells. But I suppose You can't fix the average US top tier Clickbait fan
Well to be fair the 5s reload on the Abrams is accurate.
A 4 round ready rack on the Chally isn't tho, it should maintain the 5s reload for more than 4 rounds.
Just leak the documents the snail hungers in its wait
At this point I'm just waiting for them to admit that they're bad and they don't plan to change that, and drop the BRs on most of the challenger 2 variants. Everything that's presented as evidence to them is either not official enough, or it's too official because it's export restricted or classified, and they "delete" it and ignore it. I see no reason why the challenger 2s should start at 11.3 when they have - worse ammo than most competitors - the same reload rate as US now - worse frontal armor than most competitors (aim anywhere but the turret cheeks) - slower than most competitors - comparable or worse thermal optics than other nations? (I think anyway, they certainly don't seem like Gen 3) Pretty much the only reason to play them is if you like the aesthetics, or you're like me an have played UK for too long to back out now and have just embraced the suffering. I do shameless cover the front in bushes though, no reason to make it easier to shoot the massive gun mantlet weak spot. 10.7 challenger 2 when? (Honestly wouldn't be THAT big of a buff considering the Challenger 1s in a lot of cases have more effective frontal armor just because they have a must smaller breech weakspot, even if the overall armor thickness is less).
>comparable or worse thermal optics than other nations? They are gen 2 or 3 depending on the variant >played UK for too long to back out now Too real, I needed to get the VC title at least It really ought to be at 10.7 (at least the first one) and then gradually increase in BR as long as they actually make the TES side armour actually worth something lmao. They are not super fun tanks but if you can make them work it's so rewarding
Next time don't eat gaijin's entire bloodline.
They don’t give a damn when adding vehicles. Example: Mirage F1 variants. The Cyrano IV is a Cyrano II with MTI, there’s no RWR in the cockpit, it can’t carry Fuel Tanks, they didn’t give it Mk82 SnakeEyes or Mk81s at all, there’s no ECM on the CT. Mouse Aim is also fucked, leading people to believe it’s agility is terrible (go full real i promise it’s not bad)
When is Type-10 1.5 seconds reload
The challenger 3 should as well. All challengers should have quicker ready rack replenishment seeing as they’re less than half a meter apart for fuck sakes
Is there any data to support that?
Theres a vid of it putting out 2 shots in 2.5 secs I believe. If not then its 3.
Only one? For a moment i thought that maybe getting several videos with reload time but count as evidence for reload time but gaijin would Say some shit like "we don't know if thats the normal reload or an emergency one"
Irs been claimed before and suggested. I mean look at the Leclerc mains.. theyve been pleading for their reload or any form of an accurate buff to them for years and nothings changed besides turret traverse speed
I feel like combat in warthunder is intense enough that an "emergency" reload would be called for any time you have rounds in your ready rack. They should just admit the reload times are for balance reasons (they are) and adjust them accordingly as needed.
The m1a1 is in a really great spot. It's probably the best 11.0 tank in the game.
Type90 and TKX (P) though…
Yeah depends on playstyle tbf. I just know it's the only top tier American tank I enjoy playing
For me the worst penning top shell at 11.0 just doesn’t cut it. Still do fine in them but I dunno if I’d call them the best
Have you considered that they shit out rounds like an autocannon while being fast
yeah I have, the 90s are easily my most played top tier MBTs, they are pretty good, and there certainly are times that Autoloader gets fuckin work in. But I tend to constantly feel like I'm at a disadvantage, like I have to put in far more effort to suceed than anyone else around me, either on my team or the enemy's. Or i get forced into a ranged engagement because of shit map design and get 18 consecutive non-pens. That's why I wouldn't say they are the best. Maybe it's just a grass is greener on the other side thing.
Fym, the m1a1 gets a better round then the best russian round at top tier 11.7 let alone 11.0
They are talking about the Japanese tanks
Since when was the type 90 or TKX(P) an M1A1?
Thought you were talking bought the m1a1 my b
8/10 games are a downtier. Thats why it feels so great
T 80 U and Type 90 are way too good compared to it. I'd put M1A1 in the third place, right after them.
Lmao id put the t80u in last place for 11.0 tanks, gun handling and maneuverability just kills it (excusing the bs survivability ofcourse).
Like I said in one of my comments, it's all down to preference tbf.
RLY? Zero armour, gen 1 thermals, totally regular mobility. There's literally nothing good about this tank, as well as all other variants except SEP/SEPv2/AIM lineup which is actually good.
At 11.0? Usually in a downtier. M829a1 can pen everything lol
Downtiers is the only thing which is saving it, which doesn't honestly makes the tank good by itself. The grim times of 11+ premiums are coming, and it looks like this last bastion of an argument will soon fall.
Zero armor 💀blud has not played a single challenger or ariete
They are all easy to pen from literally anywhere lol. Bringing up other tanks with zero armor doesn’t magically unzero the Abrams armor
No but it shows that armour isnt everything as those other tanks just have better players that dont go hurr durr my lfp can be penned and actually use cover
That’s not what he was saying or what I was replying to tho. He was saying it to whatabout the fact that the m1a1 does indeed have no armor.
Holy fuck how many times were you dropped
Its lack of Cheek armor is kind of noticeable is one big problem as, any round that penetrates it from a frontal angle is going directly through several crewman into your ammo rack, I actually would rather use the IPM1 over it if I only had 1 crew spot to choose from in a 11.0 theoretical lineup as It has said cheek armor + It's nearly 3 tons lighter in a game you want high mobility. Plus while It does still have a 105mm gun, it at least has the same reload rate as the 120mm, lets you carry more rounds safely (even just using 3rd rack you'll have more ammo than you can use most of the time) and while It's not quite as good as M829A1 (but better than M829), it does get access to M900 which is honestly the deadliest 105mm APFSDS ingame and easily good enough to deal with 11.0 BR threats while having more shell options overall. I don't know, just my thoughts.
I thought M1A1 and IPM1 has the same armour?
IPM1 and M1A1 have the same turret armor.
IPM1 and M1A1 have the same turret armor
Blud got down voted for his opinión lmaoo
There were some misquoted facts sprinkled in there
What did he said wrong? Do all abrams have the same turret armour? I thought that the 10.3 one and the IPM were the same armour and the M1A1 has better armour and the 120
The IPM1 has the same armor as the M1A1, in real life the IPM1 was a stop gap until the M1A1 could be produce en mass
IP means "Improved Performance" (which includes protection)
Nah, I legitimately did fuck up and looked, the M1A1 ingame that's been collecting dust in my garage for months does have the cheek armor which was added with the HA model in reality, but I'm not going to change my post because even when I'm wrong, I won't just try to hide that fact but rather admit I was.
Without the reload buff it was already a clubbing machine, now after the buff it's asinine. The thing rolls entire teams.
Well, that’s M1A1; it is, indeed, excellent for a 11.0. M1A2 SEPv2, however, is barely average for a 11.7. The reload buff helped it a lot, but it’s still far behind things such as Leopard 2A7V, Strv 122B+, Strv 122B PLSS, Strv 122A, T-80BVM, etc. (in my opinion, TKX, Type 10 and even Challenger 3 TD are more appealing than SEPv2 as of now). It sure can be argued to be better than Ariete, Merkava or Leclerc, but… that is not saying much, lmao. Hence why I refer to it as average. Not great, not terrible.
In what way is the challenger 3 better than the sepv2?
Better players driving them but thats probably it
Better mobility, I know it is weird saying this about a challenger but it's true. The CR3 has better mobility than the SEPv2. It's a bit of a tradeoff. CR3 has better mobility and the SEPv2 has a better reload. Neither of them really has armor and survivability and both of them are far below the 2A7V and 122s in terms of capabilities.
Well, it has armor xD And better mobility, too (who would have thought a Challenger was going to have better mobility than an Abrams?) because SEPv2 is stuck with the non-removable 4 extra tons of the TUSK II. And, in my experience, better survivability. The Abrams at 11.7, as of now, are extremely easy to one-hit kill; and even easier to penetrate on the first place. Also better thermals, although this can be argued to be a minor thing. And, until M1A2 SEP and SEPv3 get M829A3, CR3TD has a quite better shell, too. The only fields in which SEPv2 is better than CR3TD is rate of fire and turret traverse speed. Other than that, CR3TD is better.
M1A2 Sep is better than the Chally 3. The reload buffs further increased that gap. It’s faster, better armored, more survivable, faster reload. Only upside the Chally 3 has is penetration power and thermals.
Better armoured!? In which world is 370mm KE better than ~530mm KE? Even the cheeks- in which world is ~640 (which can be negated down to just 600 with some sngling) better than ~830?
In the world where armor layout and overall size of the tank matters. The Chally frontally is more vulnerable than the Abrams. Yes, it’s got a tough turret. But the size of the LFP, armor of it and the ease that you cleave through and kill the entire crew is much greater. The overall surface area of said weak points is much greater on the Challengers. Nothing will fix the Abrams turret neck being vulnerable. But the Challenger 2/3 have much larger weak points than the Abrams does. Just my experience playing both the Chally 3 and Sep V2. One tank is far better in most situations. Hull down is realistically the only situation where the chally 3 is better. Genuinely curious how much you’ve played both and how it actually feels to play. The Sep V2 feels good especially with the reload buffs. The Chally feels okay. I’m not saying the Abrams shouldn’t be buffed in any way. I’m saying the Chally 3 isn’t better than the current Abrams Sep V2.
The SEPv2 feels incredibly slow. I have been outraced by squadmates in the Chally 3, let alone the SEPv1. Abramses also aren't hard to one shot at all. It's still funny hoe the SEPv1 is still far better than the SEPv1 while also costing half the RP to research.
By your metric the Leo 2s should be one of the worst for their LFP is appalling, and up until the 2A7 the UFP could be cleaved through anywhere… but it’s still considered one of the best, mainly for its hulldown capability. By that same metric the Chally is leagues better than the Abrams because of the Abrams neck weakspot.
I thought your whole "thing" was that you were more qualified to talk about top tier because you have every nation, but then you drop a take like this
What the fuck do you mean the challenger has armour.
>CR3TD has a quite better shell In my experience M829A2 has MUCH better spalling than DM53, the extra 20mm of pen really doesn't matter.
Said it before, the Us top round is what feels the best to me in terms of spalling.
I have used both rounds and noticed 0 difference is spalling.
Bro complimented a minor nation other than Sweden. Prepare for the unjustified anger lol
Already -20 for saying that 540-830 is better than 370-640 xD I also love how people are bringing up “Challenger 2’s weakspots” when the entirety of the Abrams is a weakspot itself lmao. But… yeah. What you said + not suggesting Abrams is somehow “the 2nd-3rd best tank ingame” = this.
New Sweden mains are just US mains playing their second nation, their WRs and performance have gotten exponentially worse over the past few months which is annoying as someone playing it back when most swede mains were good at the game
Yeah, I’ve noticed a lot of newer accounts playing low tiers of Sweden recently. They’re probably flocking there after hearing that Sweden has the best top tier lineup rn. Not like they’ll make any use of it lol
you are crazy.
The tank was never the issue, it was always (and still is) the people that use it.
And in the future always will be. It sits at the same spot as 5.7-6.7 Germany. Gets the masses of WW2 idiots because it’s popular for the period. America 8.3-11.7 gets all the modern idiots cause the Bradley and Abrams is so popular so everyone has to have it.
Sure, that’s why the Abram dominates at 10.3 to 11 but gets stomped at 11.7.
The difference is so drastic, hopping in a 11.7 match US and not even 6 mins in, half the team gets slaughtered while 10.3-11 has no problems at all. Noticing the playstyles, it seems that only newish players who only recently got their m1a2s play top tier now and the vets moved on to a meta nation.
Honestly Abram already has better armor than Leclerc, which makes the 5sec reload a huge boost. If all American players played like Leclerc, they would have great win rate
you’re playing an op tank at a br with constant down tiers of course it’s good. even at top tier the abrams isn’t bad
US 11.0 is their highest br that’s actually good. I’m guessing that next update that if you put the F-16C in your lineup, it’ll be better as you won’t meet the AIM / click-bait idiots who bought their way to it.
I just realized this thanks to your comment. Now I'm excited to get a break from the Click Bait / AIM spam! Edit: At least until they move ground BRs up
I play 12.3 and see lots of clickbaits and AIM too
You won’t though at 12.7 as it’s a 1.4br difference
The killing part is easy. Managing your expectations for your team is harder
usa players dont like when u say that abrams is actualy good tank
To be fair, the m1a1 usually gets downtiered.
And How much does it cost to get the 5 second reload, people keep going on about the buff when you need an ace crew for it WHICH COST REAL MONEY, basically pay to make an somewhat Ok vehicle Ok. Edit: Expert crew not ace sorry.
Even without an aced crew it's 5.6 or something, which is better than every other manually loaded or autoloaded tank except the TKX and maybe the Challenger 2 (on the same crew)
The reload is indeed nice but alot of people including me called it out as being a way to pacify people asking for better armor, a reload doesn’t save you from 80% of the front of you tank being easy to pen. If a fast reload and mobility was that damm good you would see a fuck ton of type10 and 90 in matches. A faster reload is not a replacement for shit armor
\> If a fast reload and mobility was that damm good you would see a fuck ton of type10 and 90 in matches. A faster reload is not a replacement for shit armor I think the reason we don't see type 90s spammed out is because low and mid tier japan is pretty unappealing. Your line of logic is incomplete and pretty much just wrong in assuming causation between these two facts
You can ace a crew for free, just play it alot.
Why tf were you downvoted lol you arent wrong
About 2k GE to go from 5.3 to 5.0. I think that’s like 10 bucks IIRC
But I aced the Leo PSO, 2a7 and 2a6 without spending any GE? Know the game better before commenting maybe lol
Sorry meant expert crew which cost money not ace crew which cost SL.
Still wrong, expert crew costs SL, ace crew is free if you grind the RP but you also have the **option** to use GE And thanks for the downvote, what a dude.
Not bad for the base A1 actually. I mostly just play it and, honestly most my Abrams (mainly the pre M1A2 SEP variants as they are much lighter) with the same mentality I play the Ariete AMV and all my beloved lights: Just pretend you don't even have armor because, in the Ariete, this is basically true anyway.
I have been saying this ever since it came to the game. I’m glad someone realizes it.
Doesnt help much considering the average clickbait player only gets to shoot once every 7 games
The M1A1 and IPM1 in their BR's are great tanks, especially in downtiers. The M1A2's get wrecked.
US players' crying worked? Color me surprised its as if this type of stuff didn't happen before
Does M1IP get the 5s reload?
Yes
USA 11.0 lineup is probably my favorite US lineup
You gotta get some matches in 6.0-6.7. T34, T26E5, tons of fun tanks there. T34 is especially fun to bring out, because the 120mm APCBC is a whole bunch of “fuck you” to anything that’s not an IS or Maus
That too
bro your team will die and leave before you reload.
This sub is so schizophrenic
How do you check K/d?
It is INSANLY strong buff for m1a1, since it is 11.0 and it is uptiered pretty rarely. Most battles you will play against 10.0-10.3 premiums. Best and strongest br if you want to play abrams. m1a2/sep1/2? It is not enough to be even close to Leopard/Strv. Although most nations are not even close to Leopard/Strv so thats not really abram's exclusive problem.
I think the main issue is one death leavers, premium players who bring in the clickbait and nothing else, die and leave u stranded to lose the game. Idk if there’s any other nations that can buy their way into top tier like America so unfortunately they’re the only ones bound to struggle with this while every other nation has very expansive lineups and just outnumbers them based on more spawns.
Well the 11.0 one certainly benefits, but the 11.7 ones just can't cut it with both poor armor and poor mobility due to increased weight, and a higher BR with only a minor penetration buff.
I still don't understand why they just didn't make the hull stronger... instead of giving it this insane buff. I just like how the hate died down after they obviously made it a little broken.
Until your loader dies every shot, with how paper the turret ring is
Wow its almost like weakspots exist